Why doesn't Xbone aspire to have graphics kings?

Apart from Ryse, which was a launch title and a 3rd party timed exclusive, there haven't been too many games pushing the graphical limits of the Xbone. Depending on your cynicism level, you may argue that every single game pushes Xbone's limits, haha! It seems that the notion of "graphics king" is exclusive to PS4...I think same could've been applied to 360, too, whereas it was ironically more capable machine when it came to multiplats.

Anyway, while there have been some aesthetically pleasing games on the Xbone, like Forza Horizon 2 and Sunset Overdrive, they're nowhere near what this generation should stand for graphics-wise. Of course, on the other hand you may argue that it's more beneficial to gamers to put gameplay before graphics, and Halo 5 seems to be focused on that as well and I can definitely see the reasoning behind it, as I'd always put 60fps over 1080p.

However, there is also another aspect to it, certain games were overly focused at delivering the best graphics possible at the very expense of the gameplay itself, and among them are aforementioned Ryse, as well as The Order or Killzone: Shadow Fall.

FYI, this is just a theoretical conundrum, I don't necessarily believe a maniacal focus on delivering the best possible graphics is the way to go, however in many cases a powerful and capable graphics engine sporting sharp image quality can be beneficial to our immersion and overall enjoyment.

What are your thoughts?

[As a side-note I find it funny how some people try to typecast me and associate only with glorifying MS and bashing Sony.]

It's a piece of plastic, it has no aspirations.

All things considered, FH2 is graphics king so I dunno.

Because

Cuz it's a piece of shit.

Ryse and FH2 are still 2 of the best looking games on consoles.

@Snugenz said:

It's a piece of plastic, it has no aspirations.

Riddle me this:

She doesn't have bad dreams because she's just a piece of plastic

You're an inanimate fucking object!!!!!!!

well they had Crytek push out Ryse, and that was a pile of poop

I will lay off the sarcastic fanboy comments and answer this one truthfully. I do not feel the Xbone has the graphical equipment to run a console graphics king. It however, has great looking games none the less. I do not feel like its so underpowered that it can't produce one. Depending on the engine used and the mastery of it by the developer. That being said, I won't hold my breath either.

Sony plays on graphics, because it will sell them more consoles. Microsoft is all about gameplay, and the technical complexity of SSOD isn't to be taken lightly.

I would rather have more Forza Horizon 2/Sunset Overdrive and less The Order/Ryse.

Uh, because it's weaker than the PS4.

Nah, they're both the same and Sony just happens to have the better box. And even with Sonys penchant for high fidelity flops and movie games, they still have better game studios and a more robust 1st party as a whole.

lol @ trying to pull the sheep argument "all about the gameplay" when you don't even have the games to support such a claim. MS is at the bottom of the barrel with their 1st party, if you can even call it that.

They understand business and handling franchises better than Sony, though. They shouldn't have allowed MCC disaster to happen, though.

Business? Sure. Handling franchises? How so? As far as I can tell the only franchise they've handled well is Forza.

The console elite arguing over graphics... lol

Quantum Break?

But by the time it releases Uncharted 4 may be out or coming so

I disagree... Cows want to compare Infamous with SSOD so hard. Beautiful empty world compared to a dynamic, more fun in gameplay-wise world. SSOD, is a game that is clearly all about the gameplay...

Especially that @arkephonic dude who is one of the biggest jokes here.

As a pc gamer mostly i will make a point, Halo was never graphically impressive it sold xboxs though, what sells on xbox is halo, cod, sports games, creed. Not much else does, even alan wake that was graphically impressive was bad and both ryse and the order are laughable.

Hey if sony wants to pull another "cinematic" disapoitment go ahead but so far they are wasting everybodys time and money. It is a far better idea to make a true next gen game than launch a early game for the sake of showing off graphics, its not like they need the sales.

I think your post should be about why the X1 doesn't have any killer exclusives. I mean, counting on Quantum Break is pretty sad. Meanwhile, PS4 owners be sipping on gin and juice.

@SolidGame_basic: how so?

Riiigghhhtttt.

Because to achieve graphics like Ryse and The Order, they usually have to be smaller corridor games. And those games didn't turn out well.

Perhaps you just have unrealistic expectations.

Everyone should know consoles are under powered this gen.

Sure DX12 can help utilize the hardware but it's not going to magically make the Xbone's dated GPU more powerful.

I'm curious to see how powerful next gen consoles will be. Especially since PC tech keeps advancing with Pascal and then Volta GPU's in the near future which will make the power gap enormous. People are thinking the this gen will be shorter because of this.

@Snugenz said:

It's a piece of plastic, it has no aspirations.

So mods aren't against cussing these days? I use to get warnings for saying ass.

@Salt_The_Fries: Funny, I thought Ryse was named the best looking console game for quite a while...

@emgesp said:

@Snugenz said:

It's a piece of plastic, it has no aspirations.

So mods aren't against cussing these days? I use to get warnings for saying ass.

TOS changed awhile back.

Truer Words Have Never Been Spoken.

Mhmm

Engadget.com has an inside-look-video on the development of the Xbox One, watched it and the following line caught my attention:

"We purposefully did not target the highest end graphics. We targeted it more as a broad entertainment play." (at the 5:43-minute-mark)

Even on the 360.... did Microsoft ever realky care about having the best Graphics ?

Mulitiplayer and online features has always been their hook...... so what doea that mean for Quantum Break ?

It's hard to aspire to things that are beyond you.

I never really thought of it. I mean I am happy with what I have. I guess a lot of it has to do with the desire of the developers. I never sat down and felt like graphics were lacking on the Xbox. Granted the topic is graphics kings and Ryse always let me know that the power is there if they wanted to push that hard.

Fable Legends looks great but I wouldn't say graphics king. It is a cartoony art style much like Sunset Overdrive, which is beautiful in its own.

I just started playing BF4 campaign recently and it is really a pretty game with a lot of detail, particles and lighting. Another launch game that delivered in the graphics dept.

I think the next Gears could wow us or Halo 5, maybe even Quantum Break. They will be the graphics kings contenders.

That really is shocking if there's any truth in it. Quite staggering stupidity.

@Salt_The_Fries: People associate you with MS and against Sony because you frequently support the XBox on here and have been spotted saying stuff like "I'll never buy anything Sony", for starters, or actually calling them an evil company. In other words, you're viewed by your posting history. Publicly distancing yourself from your own comments would be a good place to start if you want that to change.

As for the topic. I dunno, Forza horizons is a pretty good looking game, isn't it? And I imagine they'll be pushing their big franchises (Forza, Halo, Gears) as hard as they can throughout the gen. At the end of the day though we are talking about the weakest hardware this side of the WiiU. You're never going to be as impressed with its graphics as you would a PS4, or certainly any half way decent PC.

For me, that's not much of an issue. While its unquestionably weaker than the PS4, it's in the same ballpark. It can run the same games @ close enough to the same level that most of the time people not looking for it won't notice. If you want the best performance/graphics, neither comes close to a good PC.

I have given Sony credit when it's due, this month at least two times! On the other hand, I have criticized Microsoft a lot of times, even this week!

However, you have to understand that from a political perspective I'm someone who has forever been in the opposition to the mainstream. Here, on SW, even if you show indifference to the Xbone, you're bashed. You have to hate it (thus I have to be very militant to counter this bias, because VERY FEW PEOPLE TO DEFEND IT, and A LOT OF PEOPLE GIVE MISINFORMED OPINIONS and then NOBODY CORRECTS THEM) I've had a similar peer pressure when it came to buying a next-gen console in real life. Most people expected me to buy PS4 and there was a certain point during which I strongly considered it, but all in all I'm beyond glad I didn't make such a decision.

I read that twice to see if I could figure out WTF you are on about. Nope... nothing.

@Salt_The_Fries said:

@blueinheaven said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

@santoron said:

@Salt_The_Fries: People associate you with MS and against Sony because you frequently support the XBox on here and have been spotted saying stuff like "I'll never buy anything Sony", for starters, or actually calling them an evil company. In other words, you're viewed by your posting history. Publicly distancing yourself from your own comments would be a good place to start if you want that to change.

As for the topic. I dunno, Forza horizons is a pretty good looking game, isn't it? And I imagine they'll be pushing their big franchises (Forza, Halo, Gears) as hard as they can throughout the gen. At the end of the day though we are talking about the weakest hardware this side of the WiiU. You're never going to be as impressed with its graphics as you would a PS4, or certainly any half way decent PC.

For me, that's not much of an issue. While its unquestionably weaker than the PS4, it's in the same ballpark. It can run the same games @ close enough to the same level that most of the time people not looking for it won't notice. If you want the best performance/graphics, neither comes close to a good PC.

I have given Sony credit when it's due, this month at least two times! On the other hand, I have criticized Microsoft a lot of times, even this week!

However, you have to understand that from a political perspective I'm someone who has forever been in the opposition to the mainstream. Here, on SW, even if you show indifference to the Xbone, you're bashed. You have to hate it (thus I have to be very militant to counter this bias, because VERY FEW PEOPLE TO DEFEND IT, and A LOT OF PEOPLE GIVE MISINFORMED OPINIONS and then NOBODY CORRECTS THEM) I've had a similar peer pressure when it came to buying a next-gen console in real life. Most people expected me to buy PS4 and there was a certain point during which I strongly considered it, but all in all I'm beyond glad I didn't make such a decision.

I read that twice to see if I could figure out WTF you are on about. Nope... nothing.

Actually I wish I hadn't used my brain as the constant contradictions and completely bizarre references to political perspective and standing up as the lone defender of MS against the world made my head hurt.

Why should you give a flying **** whether people like Xbox One or not? Do you have shares in MS? Why are you defending them when you said at the beginning of the thread that their technology is laughable?

Why are you trying to clarify instances where you defended MS or even Sony who exactly are you talking to in particular that you believe actually cares about this shit?

And what's this hilarity?: 'I have to be very militant to counter this bias, because VERY FEW PEOPLE TO DEFEND IT' lol if you really are the self proclaimed defender of all things Microsoft may I suggest you don't help your cause by creating threads such as this one in which you state they are rubbish and everyone agrees.

Well it's what they said, so....I guess so? Given what the original idea was for Xbone it doesn't seem that far off. Trouble is now they've reverted most of that stuff to focus on games they're still left with the hardware that was intended for "not the highest end graphics", but "broad entertainment play".

Lack of power.

The Witcher 3 will put everything to shame.

@deadline-zero0 said:

Because

Enough said.

this. cows stay mad.

I'm personally more a fan of the artistic creativity that goes into a game's design, I think that matters more as far aesthetics go than worrying about framerate and resolution and judging it from zoomed in stills.

One aspect that bugs me a great deal from watching Ryse footage is the character animations. I think in making of YouTube videos I saw they hired some kind of weapons expert of Roman weapons to coordinate character animations, rather than someone whose chief talent is video game motion capture animation. I think this resulted in rather repetitive and clunky looking combat animations. I wouldn't mind that the game is repetitive nonstop action had the gameplay looked more natural and fluid.

@blueinheaven said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

@blueinheaven said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

@santoron said:

@Salt_The_Fries: People associate you with MS and against Sony because you frequently support the XBox on here and have been spotted saying stuff like "I'll never buy anything Sony", for starters, or actually calling them an evil company. In other words, you're viewed by your posting history. Publicly distancing yourself from your own comments would be a good place to start if you want that to change.

As for the topic. I dunno, Forza horizons is a pretty good looking game, isn't it? And I imagine they'll be pushing their big franchises (Forza, Halo, Gears) as hard as they can throughout the gen. At the end of the day though we are talking about the weakest hardware this side of the WiiU. You're never going to be as impressed with its graphics as you would a PS4, or certainly any half way decent PC.

For me, that's not much of an issue. While its unquestionably weaker than the PS4, it's in the same ballpark. It can run the same games @ close enough to the same level that most of the time people not looking for it won't notice. If you want the best performance/graphics, neither comes close to a good PC.

I have given Sony credit when it's due, this month at least two times! On the other hand, I have criticized Microsoft a lot of times, even this week!

However, you have to understand that from a political perspective I'm someone who has forever been in the opposition to the mainstream. Here, on SW, even if you show indifference to the Xbone, you're bashed. You have to hate it (thus I have to be very militant to counter this bias, because VERY FEW PEOPLE TO DEFEND IT, and A LOT OF PEOPLE GIVE MISINFORMED OPINIONS and then NOBODY CORRECTS THEM) I've had a similar peer pressure when it came to buying a next-gen console in real life. Most people expected me to buy PS4 and there was a certain point during which I strongly considered it, but all in all I'm beyond glad I didn't make such a decision.

I read that twice to see if I could figure out WTF you are on about. Nope... nothing.

Actually I wish I hadn't used my brain as the constant contradictions and completely bizarre references to political perspective and standing up as the lone defender of MS against the world made my head hurt.

Why should you give a flying **** whether people like Xbox One or not? Do you have shares in MS? Why are you defending them when you said at the beginning of the thread that their technology is laughable?

Why are you trying to clarify instances where you defended MS or even Sony who exactly are you talking to in particular that you believe actually cares about this shit?

And what's this hilarity?: 'I have to be very militant to counter this bias, because VERY FEW PEOPLE TO DEFEND IT' lol if you really are the self proclaimed defender of all things Microsoft may I suggest you don't help your cause by creating threads such as this one in which you state they are rubbish and everyone agrees.

Why so angry guy? Why can't he defend Xbox without being harassed about it by assholes? He has just as much right to his opinion as anybody else who posts an Xbox bashing thread. I don't see you attacking pro PS posters like SolidTy or Tormentos for their bias. Oh, and I don't give a flying squirrel **** if you own all systems, people like SolidTy are proof enough that anybody can own both but still be a biased bullshit artist with an anti Xbox agenda.

DDR3. Boom.

X360 had the Gears franchise which certainly tried to reach the top, especially the first game. So it's not like the brand never tried.

X1 just doesn't have many exclusives at the moment to take full advantage of the system. Sunset Overdrive and FH2 are basically it. I'd consider the latter one of the best looking games this gen given it's an open world racer.