Why doesn't Sony pay off devs like MS?

I guess they do, but not to the extent of MS. Why don't they pay companies like BioWare and whoever for exclusive games like MS? Why don't the pay for exclusive content in games like GTAIV like MS does? This is what frustrates me most about Sony. They still think this is last gen where everything was handed to them becasue of their install base. They have to work for stuff now and pay people off.Zero5000X

They cant afford it. They would, but they simply can't afford to outbid MS.

So instead they spun it as "We don't pay devs to make games for us, they just love us!"

Pretty lame really

It's pointless for any developers to accept a deal like that.

Because there's no reason to make a PS3 exclusive game when it's software sells like crap compared to the other 2 consoles.

MGS4,killzone 2, uncharted,R&C,HS, and some others i cant think at the moment are all ps3 exclusive....u think there isnt any money involved :?Dante2710

3 of those were secured last gen. When they sign em, alot of them sign contracts for that IP over X amount of years.

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]I guess they do, but not to the extent of MS. Why don't they pay companies like BioWare and whoever for exclusive games like MS? Why don't the pay for exclusive content in games like GTAIV like MS does? This is what frustrates me most about Sony. They still think this is last gen where everything was handed to them becasue of their install base. They have to work for stuff now and pay people off.Newnab

They cant afford it. They would, but they simply can't afford to outbid MS.

So instead they spun it as "We don't pay devs to make games for us, they just love us!"

Pretty lame really

Um no. Paying for exclusive is the same as bribing and SONY is not going to stoop that low. Besides, MS is loosing even more money becausee of this. ITs not really making a difference as far as them moving consoles. The only one was halo but that was already theres.

Sony has a higher annual revenue than Microsoft and Nintendo put together... besides M$ spent $30,000,000 for the exclusive GTAIV content. I'm sure Sony can come up with $30,000,000.Zero5000X

They don't want to. The PS3 is already losing so much money for them as it is.

MGS4,killzone 2, uncharted,R&C,HS, and some others i cant think at the moment are all ps3 exclusive....u think there isnt any money involved :?Dante2710

Sony owns all those...and Kojima doesnt do multiplat games(see MGS2).

MGS4,killzone 2, uncharted,R&C,HS, and some others i cant think at the moment are all ps3 exclusive....u think there isnt any money involved :?Dante2710

Yeah incentives. Not bribing them up front

They have under-the table deals with companies like konami and SE they just don't announce them. When major devs jumped Nintendo's ship right before the PS came out, Sony took alot of heat for gobbling up previously exclusive Nintendo dev teams, but spun it so that the media believed the cost effective CD was the major reason behind the mass exodus, and not under the table deals that alot of insiders believe went down.

There was a great show on CNN a few months ago about the history of games.

Microsoft Net Profit 2006 12.6 Billion Dollors. :? 8)

Sony has a higher annual revenue than Microsoft and Nintendo put together... besides M$ spent $30,000,000 for the exclusive GTAIV content. I'm sure Sony can come up with $30,000,000.Zero5000X

It's pointless for any developers to accept a deal like that.

Because there's no reason to make a PS3 exclusive game when it's software sells like crap compared to the other 2 consoles.

dracula_16

your not making any sense bro. if its a great game it will sell. THE SOFTWARE will sell.

[QUOTE="Newnab"]

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]I guess they do, but not to the extent of MS. Why don't they pay companies like BioWare and whoever for exclusive games like MS? Why don't the pay for exclusive content in games like GTAIV like MS does? This is what frustrates me most about Sony. They still think this is last gen where everything was handed to them becasue of their install base. They have to work for stuff now and pay people off.cf2012

They cant afford it. They would, but they simply can't afford to outbid MS.

So instead they spun it as "We don't pay devs to make games for us, they just love us!"

Pretty lame really

Um no. Paying for exclusive is the same as bribing and SONY is not going to stoop that low. Besides, MS is loosing even more money becausee of this. ITs not really making a difference as far as them moving consoles. The only one was halo but that was already theres.

Wow. They brainwashed you bad, eh?

Sony do it. They did it perfectly fine all this time, until Microsoft came along and it was pointless for them to continue doing so.

Uhm, where are they going to get that kind of money?DaysAirlines

Electronics, Sony Music, and Sony Pictures.

[QUOTE="Newnab"]

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]I guess they do, but not to the extent of MS. Why don't they pay companies like BioWare and whoever for exclusive games like MS? Why don't the pay for exclusive content in games like GTAIV like MS does? This is what frustrates me most about Sony. They still think this is last gen where everything was handed to them becasue of their install base. They have to work for stuff now and pay people off.cf2012

They cant afford it. They would, but they simply can't afford to outbid MS.

So instead they spun it as "We don't pay devs to make games for us, they just love us!"

Pretty lame really

Um no. Paying for exclusive is the same as bribing and SONY is not going to stoop that low. Besides, MS is loosing even more money becausee of this. ITs not really making a difference as far as them moving consoles. The only one was halo but that was already theres.

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]MGS4,killzone 2, uncharted,R&C,HS, and some others i cant think at the moment are all ps3 exclusive....u think there isnt any money involved :?cf2012

Yeah incentives. Not bribing them up front

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]Sony has a higher annual revenue than Microsoft and Nintendo put together... besides M$ spent $30,000,000 for the exclusive GTAIV content. I'm sure Sony can come up with $30,000,000.BreakingPoint8

you're right Microsoft does make more profit in the end. Nintendo definately doesn't though.

Uhm, where are they going to get that kind of money?DaysAirlines

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="Zero5000X"]Sony has a higher annual revenue than Microsoft and Nintendo put together... besides M$ spent $30,000,000 for the exclusive GTAIV content. I'm sure Sony can come up with $30,000,000.Zero5000X

you're right Microsoft does make more profit in the end. Nintendo definately doesn't though.

Nintendo makes more profit than Sony.

Microsoft Net Profit 2006 12.6 Billion Dollors. :? 8)

KillaHalo2o9

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="Zero5000X"]Sony has a higher annual revenue than Microsoft and Nintendo put together... besides M$ spent $30,000,000 for the exclusive GTAIV content. I'm sure Sony can come up with $30,000,000.Zero5000X

you're right Microsoft does make more profit in the end. Nintendo definately doesn't though.

Nintendo makes far more profit than Sony. Keep in mind Nintendo is the third wealthiest Japanese-based company.

[QUOTE="KillaHalo2o9"]

Microsoft Net Profit 2006 12.6 Billion Dollors. :? 8)

bonethug1213

And Sony's gaming division is heading the same way...at an incredible rate.

[QUOTE="Newnab"][QUOTE="cf2012"][QUOTE="Newnab"]

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]I guess they do, but not to the extent of MS. Why don't they pay companies like BioWare and whoever for exclusive games like MS? Why don't the pay for exclusive content in games like GTAIV like MS does? This is what frustrates me most about Sony. They still think this is last gen where everything was handed to them becasue of their install base. They have to work for stuff now and pay people off.cf2012

They cant afford it. They would, but they simply can't afford to outbid MS.

So instead they spun it as "We don't pay devs to make games for us, they just love us!"

Pretty lame really

Um no. Paying for exclusive is the same as bribing and SONY is not going to stoop that low. Besides, MS is loosing even more money becausee of this. ITs not really making a difference as far as them moving consoles. The only one was halo but that was already theres.

Wow. They brainwashed you bad, eh?

Sony do it. They did it perfectly fine all this time, until Microsoft came along and it was pointless for them to continue doing so.

no im just not as dumb as you. Any public stock traded company has to release financial figures. They cant hide anything and something like that would have had to been released to the public. Keep playing your 3 fixme.

Fixme? Well, I can try and fix YOU if you want. Look.

Sony pays devs to make PSN games: http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=200611021393703056&releaseId=20060314115917309058

Sony "supposedly" (to be fair) pays for future Rockstar game exclusivity: http://www.betanews.com/article/Sony_Gets_Exclusive_Rights_to_Unnamed_Rockstar_Game/1185829387

Sony buys studios like Guerilla, and Sony gets the likes of:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/notag/ncsoft-signs-exclusive-deal-with-sony-277499.php

Videogaming is an industry, it's a business, and the companies don't go around giving each other free videogames and bacon. This all RECENT too. Before the Xbox arrived on the scene there was even more of this stuff, though obviously, less reported back then in yesteryear.

Does Unreal Tournament 3 ring a bell? Perhaps an EXCLUSIVE PS3 game by Rockstar? How about Sony paying Epic a large sum of cash for an EXCLUSIVE Unreal Engine 3 game similiar to that of Gears of War? See where I'm going? Sony plays the same tricks of the trade as Microsoft does, but for some reason, they're a little more under the radar than Microsoft's transactions.. Tricks of a sly dog, I say, and there's more to it than meets the eye; gaming media doesn't expose everything that goes on between developers and Sony and Microsoft, so there's no telling how much amount of money has gone into the exclusive games you see today for your favorite system..

[QUOTE="KillaHalo2o9"]

Microsoft Net Profit 2006 12.6 Billion Dollors. :? 8)

bonethug1213

It isn't cutting that much into their over all profits each year, so I doubt it's a big deal to them.

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="Zero5000X"]Sony has a higher annual revenue than Microsoft and Nintendo put together... besides M$ spent $30,000,000 for the exclusive GTAIV content. I'm sure Sony can come up with $30,000,000.darkmario123

you're right Microsoft does make more profit in the end. Nintendo definately doesn't though.

Nintendo makes more profit than Sony.

i looked it up and i guess your're correct as Nintendo is Japan's second most profitable company whereas Toyota is the first. This is odd since Nintendo is strictly video games whereas Sony is video games, movies, music, electronics, etc.

Do you know how big microsoft is? If sony an exclusive they'd get a bomb thrown at them by microsoft, there just staying calm for now to see what microsoft does with its limited exclusive line-up.

[QUOTE="darkmario123"][QUOTE="Zero5000X"]

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="Zero5000X"]Sony has a higher annual revenue than Microsoft and Nintendo put together... besides M$ spent $30,000,000 for the exclusive GTAIV content. I'm sure Sony can come up with $30,000,000.Zero5000X

you're right Microsoft does make more profit in the end. Nintendo definately doesn't though.

Nintendo makes more profit than Sony.

i looked it up and i guess your're correct as Nintendo is Japan's second most profitable company whereas Toyota is the first. This is odd since Nintendo is strictiyl video games whereas Sony is video games, movies, music, electronics, etc.

[QUOTE="bonethug1213"][QUOTE="KillaHalo2o9"]

Microsoft Net Profit 2006 12.6 Billion Dollors. :? 8)

BreakingPoint8

It isn't cutting that much into their over all profits each year, so I doubt it's a big deal to them.

Agreed, but I heard somewhere that the profits from 2006 to 2007 are going to increase by 2 billion dollars more for Microsoft.

It's pointless for any developers to accept a deal like that.

Because there's no reason to make a PS3 exclusive game when it's software sells like crap compared to the other 2 consoles.

dracula_16

and it takes more human resource and time and money to develop for the PS3

it's why everyone makes crap for the wii and the wii's install base and because a lot of wii owners are new to gaming and don't get into detail about gaming so they see a game with cool boxart and they buy it

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="bonethug1213"][QUOTE="KillaHalo2o9"]

Microsoft Net Profit 2006 12.6 Billion Dollors. :? 8)

KillaHalo2o9

It isn't cutting that much into their over all profits each year, so I doubt it's a big deal to them.

Agreed, but I heard somewhere that the profits from 2006 to 2007 are going to increase by 2 billion dollars more for Microsoft.

fact: microsoft has not made 1 cent in profits from the xbox or the 360 they hoped to turn a profit in 2008 but due to many repairs they have been majorly setback

Does Unreal Tournament 3 ring a bell? Perhaps an EXCLUSIVE PS3 game by Rockstar? How about Sony paying Epic a large sum of cash for an EXCLUSIVE Unreal Engine 3 game similiar to that of Gears of War? See where I'm going? Sony plays the same tricks of the trade as Microsoft does, but for some reason, they're a little more under the radar than Microsoft's transactions.. Tricks of a sly dog, I say, and there's more to it than meets the eye; gaming media doesn't expose everything that goes on between developers and Sony and Microsoft, so there's no telling how much amount of money has gone into the exclusive games you see today for your favorite system..

Cerberus_Legion

isn't UT3 still multi?

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]

It's pointless for any developers to accept a deal like that.

Because there's no reason to make a PS3 exclusive game when it's software sells like crap compared to the other 2 consoles.

krunkfu2

and it takes more human resource and time and money to develop for the PS3

it's why everyone makes crap for the wii and the wii's install base and because a lot of wii owners are new to gaming and don't get into detail about gaming so they see a game with cool boxart and they buy it

Well no one wants to buy stupid, broken games(HS, Motorstorm, Lair)...I am sure if Bioshock and Mass Effect were on the PS3 they would sell fine.

[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"]

Does Unreal Tournament 3 ring a bell? Perhaps an EXCLUSIVE PS3 game by Rockstar? How about Sony paying Epic a large sum of cash for an EXCLUSIVE Unreal Engine 3 game similiar to that of Gears of War? See where I'm going? Sony plays the same tricks of the trade as Microsoft does, but for some reason, they're a little more under the radar than Microsoft's transactions.. Tricks of a sly dog, I say, and there's more to it than meets the eye; gaming media doesn't expose everything that goes on between developers and Sony and Microsoft, so there's no telling how much amount of money has gone into the exclusive games you see today for your favorite system..

krunkfu2

isn't UT3 still multi?

Yes, but Sony paid Epic about a million or so to make it a timed exclusive, console wise.

Sony has a higher annual revenue than Microsoft and Nintendo put together... besides M$ spent $30,000,000 for the exclusive GTAIV content. I'm sure Sony can come up with $30,000,000.Zero5000X

revenue doesn't equal profit. profit is more important.

[QUOTE="krunkfu2"][QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"]

Does Unreal Tournament 3 ring a bell? Perhaps an EXCLUSIVE PS3 game by Rockstar? How about Sony paying Epic a large sum of cash for an EXCLUSIVE Unreal Engine 3 game similiar to that of Gears of War? See where I'm going? Sony plays the same tricks of the trade as Microsoft does, but for some reason, they're a little more under the radar than Microsoft's transactions.. Tricks of a sly dog, I say, and there's more to it than meets the eye; gaming media doesn't expose everythingthat goes on between developers and Sony and Microsoft, so there's no telling how much amount of money has gone into the exclusive games you see today for your favorite system..

Cerberus_Legion

isn't UT3 still multi?

Yes, but Sony paid Epic about a million or so to make it a timed exclusive, console wise.

No they didnt...they were having issues with MS regarding mods for UT3, so it got delayed.

[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"][QUOTE="krunkfu2"][QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"]

Does Unreal Tournament 3 ring a bell? Perhaps an EXCLUSIVE PS3 game by Rockstar? How about Sony paying Epic a large sum of cash for an EXCLUSIVE Unreal Engine 3 game similiar to that of Gears of War? See where I'm going? Sony plays the same tricks of the trade as Microsoft does, but for some reason, they're a little more under the radar than Microsoft's transactions.. Tricks of a sly dog, I say, and there's more to it than meets the eye; gaming media doesn't expose everythingthat goes on between developers and Sony and Microsoft, so there's no telling how much amount of money has gone into the exclusive games you see today for your favorite system..

Kahuna_1

isn't UT3 still multi?

Yes, but Sony paid Epic about a million or so to make it a timed exclusive, console wise.

No they didnt...they were having issues with MS regarding mods for UT3, so it got delayed.

Not from what I've heard, and this source actually came from Gamespot and some other gaming sites and magazines. See? News is always twisted, where you'll never obtain the most reliable of information. I read that Sony paid Epic a large sum of cash to make it a timed exclusive, not because of developer problems..

MS wants to beat sony

sony want to make good games

the 2 have diffrent goals

Okay, the reasoning is that a dev will accept less and less money the less the advantage is to develop for another platform, and the less money the game costs, and the less money the game is expected to make.

You want the PS3 to buy exclusive games which are big names, cost a lot to develop, and would benefit hugely from being on the xbox 360. These games would also make a pile of money. So say this:

GTA4 (expected take, say 500 million)

Say the split is 60 / 40 xbox PS3

Say the increased dev costs of making it on two systems is 1 million.

So by signing an exclusivity deal, you'd have to pay them a maximum of 299 million. Say that they assume the PS3 will sell a lot due to the game, you're still looking at a deal that's worth way over a hundred million dollars. Sony can't afford that, and could put that money towards making ten other games.

They need to buy lots of mid-sized excluisves, like Star Ocean 4, Skate, Quake Wars, stuff like that. That'd grow the PS3 game library pretty nicely without costing as much as a huge-name franchise.

The real issue is that they don't want to get into a war with MSFT, since MSFT has more money to throw at devs.

Sony has a higher annual revenue than Microsoft and Nintendo put together... besides M$ spent $30,000,000 for the exclusive GTAIV content. I'm sure Sony can come up with $30,000,000.Zero5000X

you think sony makes more than microsoft?

Day - $40,659,341
Hour - $1,694,139
Minute - $28,236
Second - $471

year - 14,840,659,465.

please tell me sony's?

MS wants to beat sony

sony want to make good games

the 2 have diffrent goals

niall077

[QUOTE="Zero5000X"]Sony has a higher annual revenue than Microsoft and Nintendo put together... besides M$ spent $30,000,000 for the exclusive GTAIV content. I'm sure Sony can come up with $30,000,000.jlh47

you think sony makes more than microsoft?

Day - $40,659,341
Hour - $1,694,139
Minute - $28,236
Second - $471

year - 14,840,659,465.

please tell me sony's?

Sony has a higher revenue but Microsoft has a higher net income. this means Sony generates more money a year than Microsoft but Microsoft keeps more of what they generate.