Why exclusives **** in my opinion.

Now I know that exclusives can be good for a console, but it can also be bad for gaming at large, here's why;

1, fanboys: without exclusives, they would all be gone. Nothing to argue about anymore:P

2. They don't let everyone in on the fun: I sometimes find myself wondering what uncharted would be like if I could afford the PS3. I might never know, unless the price drops hugely. Just imagine a world where anybody could buy Crisis or Halo 3 or Heavenly Sword. Nice, huh?

3. They don't let you compare systems: this may sound a little hypocritical of #1, but how will we ever know what system is more powerful than the other if we can't compare the games on it?

4. The controll scheme comparison: This mostly applies to the wii, but just imagine how cool it would be to see what Assassin's creed would be like on the wii? Two words: Hidden Wiimote.

5. It's costing the Devs money: How would you like it if Ubisoft had never went cross platform and stayed the path that so many others did? Just imagine that they only made games for the PS2 or 3, but those systems didn't have the right fanbase for that genre, the game flopped, and the company went out of business. Alternatively, Imagine if they made it for Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft. The game would still fop on the PS3 and perhaps Wii, but would flourish on the 360 and pc, thereby keeping the company in business.

What do all of you think about exclusives? Should devs stay the current way, only helping a certain company, or should all games be on all systems, thereby insuring that everybody has a good time and everybody is benefited. I think that Bethesda Softworks and Capcom are getting the right idea and carving forth a bright and sunny future for the business at large.

Without exclusives there would be no true need for the current 3 consoles, through PC in there maybe, to be on the market.

I understand where you're coming from, but they are needed.

I already said that they are good for the company, but bad for the community.Besides, I think that the 360 is more powerful in my opinion than any other system out there. I don't want to buy a PS3, I don't want a wii, and pc gaming is the best but waaay too expensive. So I'd like to buy Crisis because it looks fun, but I will never be abler to play it unless they port it.
phantom-4112

tell me what is more expensive a system with 38 euros games or a system with 60 euros games...?

[QUOTE="phantom-4112"]I already said that they are good for the company, but bad for the community.Besides, I think that the 360 is more powerful in my opinion than any other system out there. I don't want to buy a PS3, I don't want a wii, and pc gaming is the best but waaay too expensive. So I'd like to buy Crisis because it looks fun, but I will never be abler to play it unless they port it.
True_Gamer_

tell me what is more expensive a system with 38 euros games or a system with 60 euros games...?

I'm not talking about the games, but the systems themselves. You'd have to add a new graphics card, ram, all that stuff. I think it's a little cheaper to spend $500 on a system than $5000 and then $2000 over the next 5 years. The only add on cost for consoles is new controllers or hard drives and so on. Shame I can't afford it. I love the computer. I'm just a little sad I'll always miss out on the really good games for it. The computer prices listed are for extremly top of the lines that I can use to play all the good stuff, like COD4, TF2, and Crysis.

i agree with you on third party exclusives...

but consoles should STILL differentiate themselves SOMEHOW. the answer? FIRST party exclusives.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

[QUOTE="phantom-4112"]I already said that they are good for the company, but bad for the community.Besides, I think that the 360 is more powerful in my opinion than any other system out there. I don't want to buy a PS3, I don't want a wii, and pc gaming is the best but waaay too expensive. So I'd like to buy Crisis because it looks fun, but I will never be abler to play it unless they port it.
phantom-4112

tell me what is more expensive a system with 38 euros games or a system with 60 euros games...?

I'm not talking about the games, but the systems themselves. You'd have to add a new graphics card, ram, all that stuff. I think it's a little cheaper to spend $500 on a system than $5000 and then $2000 over the next 5 years. The only add on cost for consoles is new controllers or hard drives and so on. Shame I can't afford it. I love the computer. I'm just a little sad I'll always miss out on the really good games for it. The computer prices listed are for extremly top of the lines that I can use to play all the good stuff, like COD4, TF2, and Crysis.

I spent 800 dollars on my system...and I can play Crysis on pretty high settings.

No. Competition is good for the gaming business. If not, all of us will be playing Madden-quality games.
dkhw

I never said it was bad for the companies. I said it was bad for players that want to share in the experience of all the systems.

[QUOTE="phantom-4112"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

[QUOTE="phantom-4112"]I already said that they are good for the company, but bad for the community.Besides, I think that the 360 is more powerful in my opinion than any other system out there. I don't want to buy a PS3, I don't want a wii, and pc gaming is the best but waaay too expensive. So I'd like to buy Crisis because it looks fun, but I will never be abler to play it unless they port it.
dkhw

tell me what is more expensive a system with 38 euros games or a system with 60 euros games...?

I'm not talking about the games, but the systems themselves. You'd have to add a new graphics card, ram, all that stuff. I think it's a little cheaper to spend $500 on a system than $5000 and then $2000 over the next 5 years. The only add on cost for consoles is new controllers or hard drives and so on. Shame I can't afford it. I love the computer. I'm just a little sad I'll always miss out on the really good games for it. The computer prices listed are for extremly top of the lines that I can use to play all the good stuff, like COD4, TF2, and Crysis.

I spent 800 dollars on my system...and I can play Crysis on pretty high settings.

Still more than any system out there. And I cant even afford a Wii, and yes, I know thats sad. No more qouting this string, or we'll be modded. Just refer to it and anybody who read the whole thread will know what you mean.

[QUOTE="dkhw"]No. Competition is good for the gaming business. If not, all of us will be playing Madden-quality games.
phantom-4112

I never said it was bad for the companies. I said it was bad for players that want to share in the experience of all the systems.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

[QUOTE="phantom-4112"]I already said that they are good for the company, but bad for the community.Besides, I think that the 360 is more powerful in my opinion than any other system out there. I don't want to buy a PS3, I don't want a wii, and pc gaming is the best but waaay too expensive. So I'd like to buy Crisis because it looks fun, but I will never be abler to play it unless they port it.
phantom-4112

tell me what is more expensive a system with 38 euros games or a system with 60 euros games...?

I'm not talking about the games, but the systems themselves. You'd have to add a new graphics card, ram, all that stuff. I think it's a little cheaper to spend $500 on a system than $5000 and then $2000 over the next 5 years. The only add on cost for consoles is new controllers or hard drives and so on. Shame I can't afford it. I love the computer. I'm just a little sad I'll always miss out on the really good games for it. The computer prices listed are for extremly top of the lines that I can use to play all the good stuff, like COD4, TF2, and Crysis.

With just 7 games per year one can save up to 200 euros on games...thats 1000 euros in 5 years...a gaming PC tower with an 8800GT cost 670 euros thats including EVERYTHING (M/K, PSU, HDD, DVDRW)...In just the 1st year one will spend 820 euros on the Xbox360...and 870 euros on a gaming PC...after that you can spend the extra 200 euros on GPU + RAM upgrades...

[QUOTE="phantom-4112"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

[QUOTE="phantom-4112"]I already said that they are good for the company, but bad for the community.Besides, I think that the 360 is more powerful in my opinion than any other system out there. I don't want to buy a PS3, I don't want a wii, and pc gaming is the best but waaay too expensive. So I'd like to buy Crisis because it looks fun, but I will never be abler to play it unless they port it.
True_Gamer_

tell me what is more expensive a system with 38 euros games or a system with 60 euros games...?

I'm not talking about the games, but the systems themselves. You'd have to add a new graphics card, ram, all that stuff. I think it's a little cheaper to spend $500 on a system than $5000 and then $2000 over the next 5 years. The only add on cost for consoles is new controllers or hard drives and so on. Shame I can't afford it. I love the computer. I'm just a little sad I'll always miss out on the really good games for it. The computer prices listed are for extremly top of the lines that I can use to play all the good stuff, like COD4, TF2, and Crysis.

With just 7 games per year one can save up to 200 euros on games...thats 1000 euros in 5 years...a gaming PC tower with an 8800GT cost 670 euros thats including EVERYTHING (M/K, PSU, HDD, DVDRW)...In just the 1st year one will spend 820 euros on the Xbox360...and 870 euros on a gaming PC...after that you can spend the extra 200 euros on GPU + RAM upgrades...

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="phantom-4112"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

[QUOTE="phantom-4112"]I already said that they are good for the company, but bad for the community.Besides, I think that the 360 is more powerful in my opinion than any other system out there. I don't want to buy a PS3, I don't want a wii, and pc gaming is the best but waaay too expensive. So I'd like to buy Crisis because it looks fun, but I will never be abler to play it unless they port it.
HuusAsking

tell me what is more expensive a system with 38 euros games or a system with 60 euros games...?

I'm not talking about the games, but the systems themselves. You'd have to add a new graphics card, ram, all that stuff. I think it's a little cheaper to spend $500 on a system than $5000 and then $2000 over the next 5 years. The only add on cost for consoles is new controllers or hard drives and so on. Shame I can't afford it. I love the computer. I'm just a little sad I'll always miss out on the really good games for it. The computer prices listed are for extremly top of the lines that I can use to play all the good stuff, like COD4, TF2, and Crysis.

With just 7 games per year one can save up to 200 euros on games...thats 1000 euros in 5 years...a gaming PC tower with an 8800GT cost 670 euros thats including EVERYTHING (M/K, PSU, HDD, DVDRW)...In just the 1st year one will spend 820 euros on the Xbox360...and 870 euros on a gaming PC...after that you can spend the extra 200 euros on GPU + RAM upgrades...

7 games per year isnt that much...even with 5 games you save enough for a regular 2 year upgrade...

and dont even get me into PC games discounts...CoH gold edition original game + xpack 28 euros: http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3511774/Company-Of-Heroes-Gold-Edition/Product.html

Orange Box 28 euros http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3383507/Half-Life-2-The-Orange-Box/Product.html

Gears 30 euros: http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3438861/Gears-Of-War/Product.html

Gears 360 61 euros: http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/667153/Gears-Of-War/Product.html

Why is this a big argument? I don't have a problem with pc gaming, in fact I prefer it above all else, but you cannot deny it is more expensive than the common console?phantom-4112

Here in UK the console games are so expensive that they make up for any hardware cost...

[QUOTE="phantom-4112"]Why is this a big argument? I don't have a problem with pc gaming, in fact I prefer it above all else, but you cannot deny it is more expensive than the common console?True_Gamer_

Here in UK the console games are so expensive that they make up for any hardware cost...

Oh... I didn't know that as I live in the US of A, where its opposite. And to the Endboss, FOR THE 5TH MOTHER-FUC**** TIME, I SAID THAT EXCLUSIVES ARE GOOD FOR THE COMPANY, BAD FOR THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T FANBOYS AND EITHER CANT AFFORD OR DON'T WANT ANY OTHER SYSTEMS BUT STILL WANT TO HAVE FUN WITH THE OTHER DEVS GAMES!!!!!

2. They don't let everyone in on the fun: I sometimes find myself wondering what uncharted would be like if I could afford the PS3. I might never know, unless the price drops hugely. Just imagine a world where anybody could buy Crisis or Halo 3 or Heavenly Sword. Nice, huh?

Just how much are you willing to spend on a console? If you own only a Wii, then maybe I can understand. But if you own an Xbox 360, you have nothing to complain about seeing as the PS3 is nearly the same price as it's corresponding 360 version and comes with a movie/game and some other features you must pay separately for on the 360. In fact, one year of Live is all you need to make them identical.

[QUOTE="phantom-4112"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

[QUOTE="phantom-4112"]I already said that they are good for the company, but bad for the community.Besides, I think that the 360 is more powerful in my opinion than any other system out there. I don't want to buy a PS3, I don't want a wii, and pc gaming is the best but waaay too expensive. So I'd like to buy Crisis because it looks fun, but I will never be abler to play it unless they port it.
dkhw

tell me what is more expensive a system with 38 euros games or a system with 60 euros games...?

I'm not talking about the games, but the systems themselves. You'd have to add a new graphics card, ram, all that stuff. I think it's a little cheaper to spend $500 on a system than $5000 and then $2000 over the next 5 years. The only add on cost for consoles is new controllers or hard drives and so on. Shame I can't afford it. I love the computer. I'm just a little sad I'll always miss out on the really good games for it. The computer prices listed are for extremly top of the lines that I can use to play all the good stuff, like COD4, TF2, and Crysis.

I spent 800 dollars on my system...and I can play Crysis on pretty high settings.

you have got to be lying. 8800 GT 300, 2 gb of 800 mhz ddr 2 150, 500gb HDD 110, case 100, 700w PSU 150, MB 150, OS 200, DVDr 40, CPU 200.

Thats at least agrand and I'm building theoretically light.

Now I know that exclusives can be good for a console, but it can also be bad for gaming at large, here's why;

1, fanboys: without exclusives, they would all be gone. Nothing to argue about anymore:P

2. They don't let everyone in on the fun: I sometimes find myself wondering what uncharted would be like if I could afford the PS3. I might never know, unless the price drops hugely. Just imagine a world where anybody could buy Crisis or Halo 3 or Heavenly Sword. Nice, huh?

3. They don't let you compare systems: this may sound a little hypocritical of #1, but how will we ever know what system is more powerful than the other if we can't compare the games on it?

4. The controll scheme comparison: This mostly applies to the wii, but just imagine how cool it would be to see what Assassin's creed would be like on the wii? Two words: Hidden Wiimote.

5. It's costing the Devs money: How would you like it if Ubisoft had never went cross platform and stayed the path that so many others did? Just imagine that they only made games for the PS2 or 3, but those systems didn't have the right fanbase for that genre, the game flopped, and the company went out of business. Alternatively, Imagine if they made it for Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft. The game would still fop on the PS3 and perhaps Wii, but would flourish on the 360 and pc, thereby keeping the company in business.

What do all of you think about exclusives? Should devs stay the current way, only helping a certain company, or should all games be on all systems, thereby insuring that everybody has a good time and everybody is benefited. I think that Bethesda Softworks and Capcom are getting the right idea and carving forth a bright and sunny future for the business at large.

phantom-4112

We get quality games when they are exclusive so I could care less about the cons.

Just how much are you willing to spend on a console? If you own only a Wii, then maybe I can understand. But if you own an Xbox 360, you have nothing to complain about seeing as the PS3 is nearly the same price as it's corresponding 360 version and comes with a movie/game and some other features you must pay separately for on the 360. In fact, one year of Live is all you need to make them identical.

Osafune24

I have 1 system and that already was enough to be my christmas and birthday present. I'm getting a job after winter, so I'm going to get a Wii, but if you'd read my later posts you'd see that I only want about 4 games on the PS3 that aren't and never will be. And yes, that includes 08' too. I don't think that's worth 400-500 dollars.

[QUOTE="phantom-4112"]

Now I know that exclusives can be good for a console, but it can also be bad for gaming at large, here's why;

1, fanboys: without exclusives, they would all be gone. Nothing to argue about anymore:P

2. They don't let everyone in on the fun: I sometimes find myself wondering what uncharted would be like if I could afford the PS3. I might never know, unless the price drops hugely. Just imagine a world where anybody could buy Crisis or Halo 3 or Heavenly Sword. Nice, huh?

3. They don't let you compare systems: this may sound a little hypocritical of #1, but how will we ever know what system is more powerful than the other if we can't compare the games on it?

4. The controll scheme comparison: This mostly applies to the wii, but just imagine how cool it would be to see what Assassin's creed would be like on the wii? Two words: Hidden Wiimote.

5. It's costing the Devs money: How would you like it if Ubisoft had never went cross platform and stayed the path that so many others did? Just imagine that they only made games for the PS2 or 3, but those systems didn't have the right fanbase for that genre, the game flopped, and the company went out of business. Alternatively, Imagine if they made it for Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft. The game would still fop on the PS3 and perhaps Wii, but would flourish on the 360 and pc, thereby keeping the company in business.

What do all of you think about exclusives? Should devs stay the current way, only helping a certain company, or should all games be on all systems, thereby insuring that everybody has a good time and everybody is benefited. I think that Bethesda Softworks and Capcom are getting the right idea and carving forth a bright and sunny future for the business at large.

Koalakommander

We get quality games when they are exclusive so I could care less about the cons.

So you would never want the cows to play mass effect or gears or halo 3? Why is everyone on gamespot so intent on keeping everyone but themselves from having a great gaming experience?

Without exclusive, everyone would just want a ps3 console with wiimote controller.gamenux

Who said anything about exchanging hardware?

When console hardware was released by software companies (Sega/Nintendo), exclusives drove these developers towards excellence through competition.

If there were no exclusives we'd be stuck with annual releases with EA standards - ie horrific.

if there were no exclusives there would still be fanboys arguing abut tech or there would be one system and there would be a monopoly. monopoly = super steep prices = bad for me and others who don't have the deepest of pockets.

exclusives are good and bad; they have their positive and negative sides, just like everything else in the world.

I like exclusives for the fact that they are (usually) higher quality than multiplats. The devs can focus more on a specific console, or just the PC, but I would like to play R&C:FToD :(Sweet_Lemon

and they are usually higher quality

if there were no exclusives there would still be fanboys arguing abut tech or there would be one system and there would be a monopoly. monopoly = super steep prices = bad for me and others who don't have the deepest of pockets.

exclusives are good and bad; they have their positive and negative sides, just like everything else in the world.

[QUOTE="Sweet_Lemon"]I like exclusives for the fact that they are (usually) higher quality than multiplats. The devs can focus more on a specific console, or just the PC, but I would like to play R&C:FToD :(krunkfu2

and they are usually higher quality

I think you are the first person who understands what I have been saying this whole thread, and nobody has listened to: good for devs, bad for us. The devs have their competition and that is good-it pushes the market and brings us better tech and games. I recant my original statement and turn it to this: without exclusives, everyone could enjoy everything, but then the technology envelope wouldn't be pushed. We would all share in the goodness of each others games, but at the price of competition to drive the quality up to help the company you work for.

So basically, and I don't mean to be rude, but I am not going to repeat this for the rest of the thread. Anybody who says what I state here in another form will be ignored. I will take arguments and discussions with it, but please don't repeat it. The gaming community, for at least a good long while, would benefit from having no exclusives. Publishers would be happy that everyone could enjoy the experience that they created, and that would drive them to create better games to appeal to all audiences, instead of the black and white no exceptions genre that the sole platform they had worked on before had wanted.

They would create better and better games until they realized one thing: the many consoles were becoming just one, and since gamers didn't have to compete anymore, communities across the Internets would die. There would be no competition, therefore, lower and lower game standards would come out: they had no use for creativeness, they would get payed the same no matter how well the game sold, because gamers needed anything to keep alive the hobby that encaptured millions in the past decades. They knew something would come out, and it will. A new console is created and it has new publishers, ones that care about the gamers, not just feed them through a tube.

That is what would happen, as I see it anyway, if exclusives died. Sorry about the long story, so if you dont want to read it, just use this: without exclusives, both company and gamer would benefit, at least until the devs just stopped caring. Happy? You can quote but not copy me on that.

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

[QUOTE="phantom-4112"]Why is this a big argument? I don't have a problem with pc gaming, in fact I prefer it above all else, but you cannot deny it is more expensive than the common console?phantom-4112

Here in UK the console games are so expensive that they make up for any hardware cost...

Oh... I didn't know that as I live in the US of A, where its opposite.

I still cant understand how PC games games are so expensive over there...while console games are so cheap... I mean console games ratio is like 8 Xbox360 games at $50 each comprise a Xbox360's price...Here high street price for a brand new demanded Xbox360 game is like 70 euros thats like 1/6 of the consoles price...while a PC game can cost even 30 euros...in scale thats like 25$ beacause its 1/13 of the 400 euros Xbox360'sprice...

7 games per year isnt that much...even with 5 games you save enough for a regular 2 year upgrade...

and dont even get me into PC games discounts...CoH gold edition original game + xpack 28 euros: http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3511774/Company-Of-Heroes-Gold-Edition/Product.html

Orange Box 28 euros http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3383507/Half-Life-2-The-Orange-Box/Product.html

Gears 30 euros: http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3438861/Gears-Of-War/Product.html

Gears 360 61 euros: http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/667153/Gears-Of-War/Product.html

True_Gamer_

PS. There's also the matter of taste. What if your game tastes fall into realms such as platformers where consoles are undeniably king?

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

7 games per year isnt that much...even with 5 games you save enough for a regular 2 year upgrade...

and dont even get me into PC games discounts...CoH gold edition original game + xpack 28 euros: http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3511774/Company-Of-Heroes-Gold-Edition/Product.html

Orange Box 28 euros http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3383507/Half-Life-2-The-Orange-Box/Product.html

Gears 30 euros: http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3438861/Gears-Of-War/Product.html

Gears 360 61 euros: http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/667153/Gears-Of-War/Product.html

HuusAsking

PS. There's also the matter of taste. What if your game tastes fall into realms such as platformers where consoles are undeniably king?

If we go by the waiting system of 3 or more months then it becomes a weakness of the consoles...Plus you cant compare something thats used to a brand new thing...I mean I can go by used hardware and a gaming PC will cost 400 euros same as a 360...

Ive admitted that for a bizzare and unknown reasons console games are very cheap in USA while PC games are too expensive...