Why has nobody attacked Sony and M$ for yet again copying Nintendo ?

All of you Sony and Microsoft fanboys are raving with excitement about the upcoming motion control thats coming to PS3 and 360.

Oh but nearly 3 years ago when the Wii first came out, everyone called it a gimmick that wouldn't last, and now look the big, fancy " Hardcore HD systems are copying it ".

Am i the only one that see's a pattern here ?

i mean c'mon, way back when Nintendo was the first to go from joystick to game pad with the NES, and Sega and Atari copied them.

Then Nintendo comes out with the analog thumb stick and rumble pack with N-64 and Sony and the rest copied them.

Well here we are almost 25 years of Nintendo innovations later and the competition are still hypocrites, first they mach the motion control as a gimmick and now there copying it yet again.

So before you fanboys go bashing the Wii for it's shovelware or lack of HD graphics and serious hardware, the fact remains that Nintendo has always been the innovators and thus far this gen has the largest install base, so the better games will come, in addition to alot of great titles it already has..

Because, nintendo is overated.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. 8)

It's because Nintendo gets the back of System Wars' hand.

Everyone is usted to them copying Nintendo. They are the only ones who strive to do something different, and throw out so called standars for something new. Who wouldn't copy them?

Maybe no one cares.

there were already people attacking sony and MS for motion controls....around the time of e3..

Because, despite being a next-gen console, attacking Nintendo would make the Wii relevant on these boards.

All of you Sony and Microsoft fanboys are raving with excitement about the upcoming motion control thats coming to PS3 and 360.

Oh but nearly 3 years ago when the Wii first came out, everyone called it a gimmick that wouldn't last, and now look the big, fancy " Hardcore HD systems are copying it ".

Am i the only one that see's a pattern here ?

i mean c'mon, way back when Nintendo was the first to go from joystick to game pad with the NES, and Sega and Atari copied them.

Then Nintendo comes out with the analog thumb stick and rumble pack with N-64 and Sony and the rest copied them.

Well here we are almost 25 years of Nintendo innovations later and the competition are still hypocrites, first they mach the motion control as a gimmick and now there copying it yet again.

So before you fanboys go bashing the Wii for it's shovelware or lack of HD graphics and serious hardware, the fact remains that Nintendo has always been the innovators and thus far this gen has the largest install base, so the better games will come, in addition to alot of great titles it already has..

Knight-of-NINE

there were already people attacking sony and MS for motion controls....around the time of e3..

Some-Mist

raving with excitement over motion controls??? are you going to the same sw i've been going too???

[QUOTE="Knight-of-NINE"]

All of you Sony and Microsoft fanboys are raving with excitement about the upcoming motion control thats coming to PS3 and 360.

Oh but nearly 3 years ago when the Wii first came out, everyone called it a gimmick that wouldn't last, and now look the big, fancy " Hardcore HD systems are copying it ".

Am i the only one that see's a pattern here ?

i mean c'mon, way back when Nintendo was the first to go from joystick to game pad with the NES, and Sega and Atari copied them.

Then Nintendo comes out with the analog thumb stick and rumble pack with N-64 and Sony and the rest copied them.

Well here we are almost 25 years of Nintendo innovations later and the competition are still hypocrites, first they mach the motion control as a gimmick and now there copying it yet again.

So before you fanboys go bashing the Wii for it's shovelware or lack of HD graphics and serious hardware, the fact remains that Nintendo has always been the innovators and thus far this gen has the largest install base, so the better games will come, in addition to alot of great titles it already has..

cainetao11

First of all, Sony had motion control last gen. It was the original eyetoy. Second of all, they're still gimmicks and no one wants to see them as the main focus for the PS3 or the 360.

Everyone is usted to them copying Nintendo. They are the only ones who strive to do something different, and throw out so called standars for something new. Who wouldn't copy them?

AmayaPapaya

Yeah, Sony's never done anything different or unique. Especially not in the games that it produces. :roll:

Natal is different than the Wii's MC..the PS Wand however...is the same thing only with a terrible controller design.DeadMagazines

The PS3 wand is a mix between Natal and the Wiimote ...

Umm because just like Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo is a business. All businesses (especially game companies) copy one another. It isn't nothing new.

[QUOTE="DeadMagazines"]Natal is different than the Wii's MC..the PS Wand however...is the same thing only with a terrible controller design.ceruxx

The PS3 wand is a mix between Natal and the Wiimote ...

Lets think a little more out there shall we? Okay, which companies actually took money losses in providing an HD console with more and better features and did not target the casual market by limiting higher rated games that attract the core gamers? Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo took the easy way not giving a crap about the core gamer providing shovelware and making the easy bucks with a gimmick to grab every casual and over weight person who actually thinks Wii fit will change their habit and help them lose weight.

Even copying that dumb little gimmick, will not stop them from pumping out fantastic gaming features and games. Wii is atacked because it bases everything on it and decided not to spend too much on their console so they can wipe themselves with money.

[QUOTE="DeadMagazines"]Natal is different than the Wii's MC..the PS Wand however...is the same thing only with a terrible controller design.ceruxx

The PS3 wand is a mix between Natal and the Wiimote ...

Still copying none the less.

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

Everyone is usted to them copying Nintendo. They are the only ones who strive to do something different, and throw out so called standars for something new. Who wouldn't copy them?

ceruxx

Yeah, Sony's never done anything different or unique. Especially not in the games that it produces. :roll:

I got eye rolled :cry: They do things different also, they just don''t do it on the level of Nintendo or even Microsoft (although Nintendo to a muchbigger extent). As much as i like the PS3, a lot of its online features have been copied from X Box live.

Who else besides Nintendo tries to make a different game completely instead of just making another FPS? Most devs just make the same thing. Nintendo makes original ideas and builds up from them a lot more than Microsoft or Sony. Deal with it.

Natal is actually much more similar to the PSEye than the Wiimote.

Most of what natal promises to do can already be done with Sony's technology (A lot of this tech has been showcased in DigForNews the past weeks).

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[QUOTE="DeadMagazines"]Natal is different than the Wii's MC..the PS Wand however...is the same thing only with a terrible controller design.DeadMagazines

The PS3 wand is a mix between Natal and the Wiimote ...

The PS3 wand goes hand in hand with the eyetoy, which is Natal. In other words, you don't need the wand to operate it. It's just a peripheral that cooperates with the eyetoy, which has been around longer than Natal has.

Lets think a little more out there shall we? Okay, which companies actually took money losses in providing an HD console with more and better features and did not target the casual market by limiting higher rated games that attract the core gamers? Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo took the easy way not giving a crap about the core gamer providing shovelware and making the easy bucks with a gimmick to grab every casual and over weight person who actually thinks Wii fit will change their habit and help them lose weight.

Even copying that dumb little gimmick, will not stop them from pumping out fantastic gaming features and games. Wii is atacked because it bases everything on it and decided not to spend too much on their console so they can wipe themselves with money.

RadecSupreme

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Lets think a little more out there shall we? Okay, which companies actually took money losses in providing an HD console with more and better features and did not target the casual market by limiting higher rated games that attract the core gamers? Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo took the easy way not giving a crap about the core gamer providing shovelware and making the easy bucks with a gimmick to grab every casual and over weight person who actually thinks Wii fit will change their habit and help them lose weight.

Even copying that dumb little gimmick, will not stop them from pumping out fantastic gaming features and games. Wii is atacked because it bases everything on it and decided not to spend too much on their console so they can wipe themselves with money.

tagyhag

Did I ever say they did? And I am not talking about whether they could have or not, point is they did not.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

Lets think a little more out there shall we? Okay, which companies actually took money losses in providing an HD console with more and better features and did not target the casual market by limiting higher rated games that attract the core gamers? Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo took the easy way not giving a crap about the core gamer providing shovelware and making the easy bucks with a gimmick to grab every casual and over weight person who actually thinks Wii fit will change their habit and help them lose weight.

Even copying that dumb little gimmick, will not stop them from pumping out fantastic gaming features and games. Wii is atacked because it bases everything on it and decided not to spend too much on their console so they can wipe themselves with money.

RadecSupreme

Did I ever say they did?

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[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

Everyone is usted to them copying Nintendo. They are the only ones who strive to do something different, and throw out so called standars for something new. Who wouldn't copy them?

AmayaPapaya

Yeah, Sony's never done anything different or unique. Especially not in the games that it produces. :roll:

I got eye rolled :cry: They do things different also, they just don''t do it on the level of Nintendo or even Microsoft (although Nintendo to a muchbigger extent). As much as i like the PS3, a lot of its online features have been copied from X Box live.

Who else besides Nintendo tries to make a different game completely instead of just making another FPS? Most devs just make the same thing. Nintendo makes original ideas and builds up from them a lot more than Microsoft or Sony. Deal with it.

In terms of what? I'm pretty sure SotC and Siren are some of the most innovative games released last gen. And it was Sony who pioneered ergonomic controller design, aside from those flat pads that were used by Sega and Nintendo previously.

Sony makes more games than FPS games. Hello Last Guardian. LBP, anyone? You're just not familiar with Sony's unique or innovative games.

b/c Sony got the motion controls right.

[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"] :lol: You think Microsoft and Sony care about you? They're ALL about money! Get used to that people! If either company would have known that they could have went the Nintendo way, they would have, WITH NO HESITATION. tagyhag

Did I ever say they did?

No I didnt, I am simply stating what they did better than Nintendo ever could in my opinion. Never did I once state it or say they cared for me. They cant care for millions which is obvious.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

Did I ever say they did?

RadecSupreme

No I didnt, I am simply stating what they did better than Nintendo ever could in my opinion. Never did I once state it or say they cared for me. They cant care for millions which is obvious.

"And I am not talking about whether they could have or not, point is they did not"

Why do you think they did not? It's probably because they THOUGHT they couldn't get away with it. Almost everyone thought the Wii was going to commercially fail, and then here it comes shattering the beliefs of everyone.

Point is, don't praise them for having gone through this route, because truth is, they are regretting it every single day.

Just wait until next gen, you'll see what I'm talking about.

[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"] "Okay, which companies actually took money losses in providing an HD console with more and better features and did not target the casual market by limiting higher rated games that attract the core gamers?" You indirectly implied it.tagyhag

No I didnt, I am simply stating what they did better than Nintendo ever could in my opinion. Never did I once state it or say they cared for me. They cant care for millions which is obvious.

"And I am not talking about whether they could have or not, point is they did not"

Why do you think they did not? It's probably because they THOUGHT they couldn't get away with it. Almost everyone thought the Wii was going to commercially fail, and then here it comes shattering the beliefs of everyone.

Point is, don't praise them for having gone through this route, because truth is, they are regretting it every single day.

Just wait until next gen, you'll see what I'm talking about.

If next gen ends with them all like this then I will stay with PC only. I dont praise them, not at all, I simply prefer that way.They have had their little crap and schemes but it was not as big. I hope you are wrong about next gen because if you are then I will continue with consoles.

Maybe no one cares.

Rza_rectah

lmao... basically

And the fact If no one ever took ideas from other people and tried to improve upon them, our society would never progress

Isn't the copying a credit to Nintendo? I mean, do you really expect Sony or MS to say thank you Nintendo at there press event?cainetao11

That would have been pretty cool, i bet you that SW would have exploded and only Manticores and some Hermits would have survived the catastrophe and Sheep would be the only rulers of SW :D

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

No I didnt, I am simply stating what they did better than Nintendo ever could in my opinion. Never did I once state it or say they cared for me. They cant care for millions which is obvious.

RadecSupreme

"And I am not talking about whether they could have or not, point is they did not"

Why do you think they did not? It's probably because they THOUGHT they couldn't get away with it. Almost everyone thought the Wii was going to commercially fail, and then here it comes shattering the beliefs of everyone.

Point is, don't praise them for having gone through this route, because truth is, they are regretting it every single day.

Just wait until next gen, you'll see what I'm talking about.

If next gen ends with them all like this then I will stay with PC only. I dont praise them, not at all, I simply prefer that way.They have had their little crap and schemes but it was not as big. I hope you are wrong about next gen because if you are then I will continue with consoles.

As do I....As do I

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Maybe no one cares.

VendettaRed07

lmao... basically

And the fact If no one ever took ideas from other people and tried to improve upon them, our society would never progress

Pretty much. It's not like they're total copies. There's some variations.

:P

[QUOTE="DeadMagazines"][QUOTE="ceruxx"]

The PS3 wand is a mix between Natal and the Wiimote ...

ceruxx

The PS3 wand goes hand in hand with the eyetoy, which is Natal. In other words, you don't need the wand to operate it. It's just a peripheral that cooperates with the eyetoy, which has been around longer than Natal has.

And even if it didn't depend on the wand then what's the point? Sony's ripping you off!:o A scam I say, a scam!!!!

What's wrong with copying a smart idea? I understand Nintendo have been smart in their decisions this gen but should we really defend them when other companies like it better. The world goes round because people improve on ideas. PSN wouldn't exist without LIVE and the Wii may not have existed without the PS2's success.gamefan274

:lol: Funny joke buddy..... Right....? :shock:

[QUOTE="ceruxx"]:P

[QUOTE="DeadMagazines"] If you need the wand to operate it, its not like Natal. boredy-Mcbored

The PS3 wand goes hand in hand with the eyetoy, which is Natal. In other words, you don't need the wand to operate it. It's just a peripheral that cooperates with the eyetoy, which has been around longer than Natal has.

And even if it didn't depend on the wand then what's the point? Sony's ripping you off!:o A scam I say, a scam!!!!

The ball on the stick depends on the camera, but the camera doesn't depend on the ball on the stick. Look up the Eyepet. It predates the ball on the stick and works without the stick. Like Natal.

hey TC, it's funny you should say that MS is copying nintendo's motion controller when MS came out with their own motion controller in 1998!!!! it was called the Microsoft Sidewinder Freestyle Pro for the pc and came with a free racing game. looks like nintendo like to copy from MS.

also, one was made for the ps one but i can't find any pics of it.

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[QUOTE="ceruxx"]

The PS3 wand goes hand in hand with the eyetoy, which is Natal. In other words, you don't need the wand to operate it. It's just a peripheral that cooperates with the eyetoy, which has been around longer than Natal has.

ceruxx

And even if it didn't depend on the wand then what's the point? Sony's ripping you off!:o A scam I say, a scam!!!!

The ball on the stick depends on the camera, but the camera doesn't depend on the ball on the stick. Look up the Eyepet. It predates the ball on the stick and works without the stick. Like Natal.

you mean like the old MS camera for the 360. the eyetoy and the 360 vision camera don't have motion sensing and aren't able to determine depth. natal also has voice and facial recognition which is far more advanced than the eyetoy.

Oh please. Like copying a successful business idea is something new. Who cares anymore?

[QUOTE="ceruxx"]

[QUOTE="boredy-Mcbored"] By looking at the E3 demo, no. The ball-on-the-stick depends on the camera. I didn't see the examples using their hands. If I have over looked something please notify me. If I'm right then it's the same as M+.

And even if it didn't depend on the wand then what's the point? Sony's ripping you off!:o A scam I say, a scam!!!!

cowgriller

The ball on the stick depends on the camera, but the camera doesn't depend on the ball on the stick. Look up the Eyepet. It predates the ball on the stick and works without the stick. Like Natal.

you mean like the old MS camera for the 360. the eyetoy and the 360 vision camera don't have motion sensing and aren't able to determine depth. natal also has voice and facial recognition which is far more advanced than the eyetoy.

No, the eyetoy can and does sense depth. That's why it works so well with the "ball on a stick."

There's already been information in SW about advanced facial recognition technology being used with eyetoy.

@Knight-of-NINE

Project Natal isn't copying the Wii's motion sensoring at all. Natal will detect full body 3d movement, facial movement, and voices while the Wii provides wiimote waggling.