Why has nobody attacked Sony and M$ for yet again copying Nintendo ?

[QUOTE="ceruxx"]

[QUOTE="boredy-Mcbored"] When did they say that the eyepet was the same thing as the ball-on-the-stick? The Eyepet is it's own seperate thing. Unless you have proof. They didn't talk about the Eyepet and the ball-on-the-stick together at all in the E3 motion demo. And how does something that comes before the final technology compatable? I highly doubt they work together. Ii'm sure they are seperate products.

And even if you didn't need the ball-on-the-stick to use it then what's the point of the ball-on-the-stick in the first place?

boredy-Mcbored

There were threads in SW about how consumers weren't going to buy both products together in order to use Sony motion control back then. It's true, anyways, that they work together.

To provide a controller to work with the motion control, to have an object to stand for things like baseball bats and swords.

It's not wether or not people are going to use it together but whether they are compatible. They don't look like it but unless you have proof that the work together then I doubt that they do.

And natal can do that without the need of buying somthing extra.

Apparently "Sony Motion Control" stemmed from the Eyetoy project (which dates back to 2003).

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/17/sony-motion-control-in-development-since-the-days-of-eyetoy/

"Sony's system is exclusively for the PS3 as it works in collaboration with the Playstation Eye camera."

http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/kit-eaton/technomix/sony-microsoft-motion-controls-will-beat-wii-its-own-game

Natal doesn't have a controller.

Because they're hypocrites. They want you to forget about all that Motion control bashing, saying that its flattery, that they're going to do it better; all BS excuses.

But thats perfectly fitting for SW, where graphics mean everything, as do sales, depending on if your console is winning or not

TalesofRaGnArOk

Just because Sony does motion control better doesn't mean Sony's motion control will be prove worthwhile.

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[QUOTE="ceruxx"]

Same difference.

OhSnapitz

contradiction. i could call it different similarities but it is still an offence to the english language.

btw, nintendo didn't copy the analog stick. they reintroduced it in a smaller form. aside from that, the original analog stick was the only option of moving a character or controlling action on the screen. nintendo used it as an option for devs to use. if nintedno really wanted to copy it, they would have gotten rid of the d-pad and just make a paddle with buttons.

taking inspiration from something and flat copying are two different things entirely. the latter would get you sued for patent, copyright and/or ip infringement and the former levels the playing field, possibly advancing it.

and yes this entire thread is meaningless because neither sony or ms copied nintendo. ms is using a highly advanced camera while sony is using a combination of controller and camera. if they copied nintendo, then both would have just made a tv remote styled controller with a sensor bar.

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[QUOTE="ceruxx"]

No.

ceruxx

care to elaborate?

Your post was based on ignorance, so basically my advice to you would be to educate yourself on what Sony's motion scheme is before you talk about it.

that's where you're wrong. if my post were full of ignorance, as you say, then it would have been easy to disprove it. the fact that you veered away from countering anything i said means that you spoke out of ignorance beforehand and once properly corrected, you had absolutely nothing to say to counter anything so you simply said "no".

First of all, Sony had motion control last gen. It was the original eyetoy. Second of all, they're still gimmicks and no one wants to see them as the main focus for the PS3 or the 360.

ceruxx

[QUOTE="TalesofRaGnArOk"]

Because they're hypocrites. They want you to forget about all that Motion control bashing, saying that its flattery, that they're going to do it better; all BS excuses.

But thats perfectly fitting for SW, where graphics mean everything, as do sales, depending on if your console is winning or not

ceruxx

Just because Sony does motion control better doesn't mean Sony's motion control will be prove worthwhile.

its not even better o,o

its the same, if you look at some videos you will easy notice this.

apart from the fact that the sony glow stick dosnt offer any sorts of nunchuck or vibration,a pointer or a speaker

[QUOTE="ceruxx"]

[QUOTE="TalesofRaGnArOk"]

Because they're hypocrites. They want you to forget about all that Motion control bashing, saying that its flattery, that they're going to do it better; all BS excuses.

But thats perfectly fitting for SW, where graphics mean everything, as do sales, depending on if your console is winning or not

DeadEndPanda

Just because Sony does motion control better doesn't mean Sony's motion control will be prove worthwhile.

its not even better o,o

its the same, if you look at some videos you will easy notice this.

apart from the fact that the sony glow stick dosnt offer any sorts of nunchuck or vibration,a pointer or a speaker

No, it looks much faster in terms of response time, more accurate, and more precise. This is what I noticed from looking at videos.

Speakers and vibration are functions that can be added later, but I don't like the speaker function in the wiimote so hopefully there won't be one. Then again, it's not going to be something I'll own.

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Sony are always copying Nintendo. It's what they do. Nobody cares anymore, it's too obvious to even make a fuss about it.Willy105

It's sort of like how the Japanese didn't invent cars, but theirs are better.

I[QUOTE="Willy105"]Sony are always copying Nintendo. It's what they do. Nobody cares anymore, it's too obvious to even make a fuss about it.ceruxx

It's sort of like how the Japanese didn't invent cars, but theirs are better.

[QUOTE="VERTIGO47"]

Because it's been happening for over 20 years, since the NES, which is a perfect example. Nobody just seem to care simply because they expect the competition to follow suit.

1. NES standardized the D-pad Face Button Controllers, Sega followed as well (although there have been Face Buttons before the NES)
2. SNES standardized the L & R Shoulder Buttons and symetrical B-A-Y-Z 4-Button Layout, Sony's Playstation followed by, with their XOTS version and extra L-R buttons (sega went a different route with their 6 button "street fighter 2"(and 8 button Saturn layout).
3. N64 Standardized the Analog Stick, everyone else followed.
4. GC standardized Wireless Controllers with the Wavebird as a properly working 1st party wireless controller, everyone else followed wirelessly.
5. Wii introduced Wireless Motion-sensing controls, everyone else is following with their "different" versions of it.

ceruxx

1. PS1 standardized legs (SEGA's Saturn used a pad), ergonomic controller design

2. PS1 standardized inner rumble.

inner rumble was not a new idea, it was simply something that would have happen sooner or later anywas, becouse if a add-on is sucsessfull

it baisicly becomes a standard for the next controller, nintendo would have dont it themself if it werent for the fact that they would have to realease

a whole new controler

and.

6. Wii introuduced a remote like controler, sony followed, now its just to wait and see if more companies follow

Yah, I do find it kinda' odd that the same people who laughed at Ninty years ago for thinking of motion controlled applications are now copying them, hopin' to cash in on some of the market share.:P

Eh, I still think Nintendo will always do it best, though.

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[QUOTE="ceruxx"]

Just because Sony does motion control better doesn't mean Sony's motion control will be prove worthwhile.

ceruxx

its not even better o,o

its the same, if you look at some videos you will easy notice this.

apart from the fact that the sony glow stick dosnt offer any sorts of nunchuck or vibration,a pointer or a speaker

No, it looks much faster in terms of response time, more accurate, and more precise. This is what I noticed from looking at videos.

Speakers and vibration are functions that can be added later, but I don't like the speaker function in the wiimote so hopefully there won't be one. Then again, it's not going to be something I'll own.

i didnt notice any of those things at all, but that may be becouse i looked closer at the WM+ then simply rushing throuh it

and the thing isnt out yet anyways, unlike the wiimote.

sony better do it right this time, afterall they failed once and now nintendo even showed them how to do it right ;)

All of you Sony and Microsoft fanboys are raving with excitement about the upcoming motion control thats coming to PS3 and 360.

Oh but nearly 3 years ago when the Wii first came out, everyone called it a gimmick that wouldn't last, and now look the big, fancy " Hardcore HD systems are copying it ".

Am i the only one that see's a pattern here ?

i mean c'mon, way back when Nintendo was the first to go from joystick to game pad with the NES, and Sega and Atari copied them.

Then Nintendo comes out with the analog thumb stick and rumble pack with N-64 and Sony and the rest copied them.

Well here we are almost 25 years of Nintendo innovations later and the competition are still hypocrites, first they mach the motion control as a gimmick and now there copying it yet again.

So before you fanboys go bashing the Wii for it's shovelware or lack of HD graphics and serious hardware, the fact remains that Nintendo has always been the innovators and thus far this gen has the largest install base, so the better games will come, in addition to alot of great titles it already has..

Knight-of-NINE

Copying? No no. This just means the gimmick virus that was on the Wii has spread to the real gaming consoles. We told you the Wii would ruin gaming, you didn't listen. Now awaits only casual garbage for the rest of this gen.

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Everyone is usted to them copying Nintendo. They are the only ones who strive to do something different, and throw out so called standars for something new. Who wouldn't copy them?

warmaster670

yup, just like they did with the snes/n64/GC...oh wait....

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[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

Everyone is usted to them copying Nintendo. They are the only ones who strive to do something different, and throw out so called standars for something new. Who wouldn't copy them?

Knight-of-NINE

yup, just like they did with the snes/n64/GC...oh wait....

No they weren't.

Maybe because Nintendo copied Sony. The PS2 had the camera that picked up motion and it had a few games... So, Sony has copied nobody. And even before that, there were plenty of other technologies out there. The Wii didn;t introduce anything new to the world of video games.

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[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

Everyone is usted to them copying Nintendo. They are the only ones who strive to do something different, and throw out so called standars for something new. Who wouldn't copy them?

Knight-of-NINE

yup, just like they did with the snes/n64/GC...oh wait....

Wow, you couldn't possibly be any more wrong... Everybody, every company copies things. Just think what kind of world we would live in if not a single product that ever came out was an improvement upon one before it.

All of you Sony and Microsoft fanboys are raving with excitement about the upcoming motion control thats coming to PS3 and 360.

Oh but nearly 3 years ago when the Wii first came out, everyone called it a gimmick that wouldn't last, and now look the big, fancy " Hardcore HD systems are copying it ".

Am i the only one that see's a pattern here ?

i mean c'mon, way back when Nintendo was the first to go from joystick to game pad with the NES, and Sega and Atari copied them.

Then Nintendo comes out with the analog thumb stick and rumble pack with N-64 and Sony and the rest copied them.

Well here we are almost 25 years of Nintendo innovations later and the competition are still hypocrites, first they mach the motion control as a gimmick and now there copying it yet again.

So before you fanboys go bashing the Wii for it's shovelware or lack of HD graphics and serious hardware, the fact remains that Nintendo has always been the innovators and thus far this gen has the largest install base, so the better games will come, in addition to alot of great titles it already has..

Knight-of-NINE

I *sigh* at the poor amount of effort these newbie fanboys put into defending their preferred console. You made this post 3 years too late my friend. Listen to Uncle Yo_Foo. It's time to move on...

:'(

Copying? No no. This just means the gimmick virus that was on the Wii has spread to the real gaming consoles. We told you the Wii would ruin gaming, you didn't listen. Now awaits only casual garbage for the rest of this gen.

Crossel777

fail, those so called "real" consoles were allready infected by another gimmick virus, rumble

I think System Wars has been pretty chill over hyping them up, but of course as usual there is loads of fanboy threads bashing both.

[QUOTE="warmaster670"]

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

Everyone is usted to them copying Nintendo. They are the only ones who strive to do something different, and throw out so called standars for something new. Who wouldn't copy them?

Knight-of-NINE

yup, just like they did with the snes/n64/GC...oh wait....

CD-I had an analog sticl, it just sucked, doesnt mean they didnt have it though.

just like sont all nintendo did was copy a previous idea and make it a bit better, differnece being though that sonys copy became standard.

copying would imply that there was no improvement over the Wiimote. As it stands, both Sony and MS's approach seem better. btw....i do own a Wii and have been playing it quite frequently thanks to MP: Trilogy. :)Nedemis

so your also saying that sony didnt copy it the first time, when they failed?

becouse it wasent the same, it was crappier?

[QUOTE="Knight-of-NINE"][QUOTE="warmaster670"]

yup, just like they did with the snes/n64/GC...oh wait....

warmaster670

CD-I had an analog sticl, it just sucked, doesnt mean they didnt have it though.

just like sont all nintendo did was copy a previous idea and make it a bit better, differnece being though that sonys copy became standard.

read the other posts

1. NES standardized the D-pad Face Button Controllers, Sega followed as well (although there have been Face Buttons before the NES)
2. SNES standardized the L & R Shoulder Buttons and symetrical B-A-Y-Z 4-Button Layout, Sony's Playstation followed by, with their XOTS version and extra L-R buttons (sega went a different route with their 6 button "street fighter 2"(and 8 button Saturn layout).
3. N64 Standardized the Analog Stick, everyone else followed.
4. GC standardized Wireless Controllers with the Wavebird as a properly working 1st party wireless controller, everyone else followed wirelessly.
5. Wii introduced Wireless Motion-sensing controls, everyone else is following with their "different" versions of it.a