Why hasent FPs gameplay changed in 10 years?

You guys knock zelda (even though every one is fresh and differnt)

But yet you need a change of pants every time a new shiny FPS is shown.

what has changed with the FPS genre in the last 10 years?

what did golden eye have? Rocket launcher check,assault rifle check, sniper rifle check, grenades Check,duel weapons Check,

How does Halo or Bio shock or the %90 of the gamnes on the 360 and ps3 change the formula?

You Knock N games for voice acting and yet 90 percent of all games out have the same basic gameplay!

we need like a anime typie fps game with a good story like ff has or something. and be able to change weapons to 1st but sorta be like a fps rpg game. dcm06

that would be about the only shooter i would like.  

OMFGH like- a - 3rd person shooter or something.  OMGoodGod wait till EPIC hears about this!

FPS stands for FIRST PERSON SHOOTER, the gameplay will always, in essence, be the same.  You can jazz it up with more gadgets and better graphics but real huge innovations would require new hardware e.g. virtual reality, and thats a long way off becoming commercial.

Games really haven't changed all that much for a long time.  It's just a new coat of paint.

That's why I will always just look at games in terms of if I can have fun playing them, and focus less on the hype surrounding them because of x or y.  It also a big reason why my gaming tastes have changed. 

You can't really change the first-person-perspective shooting aspects of a First Person Shooter and still call it a First Person Shooter...D0013ER

Adventure gams can have adventure without swords, Racing games have evolved, why Not FPs IF YOU GOING TO KNOCK ZELDA  SAYING THE GAMEPLAY IS THE FRIGGIN Same (WHICH IT IS NOT) THEN WHY HAVENT fps games chANgedddd!! 

[QUOTE="D0013ER"]You can't really change the first-person-perspective shooting aspects of a First Person Shooter and still call it a First Person Shooter...jessmo30_basic

Adventure gams can have adventure without swords, Racing games have evolved, why Not FPs IF YOU GOING TO KNOCK ZELDA  SAYING THE GAMEPLAY IS THE FRIGGIN Same (WHICH IT IS NOT) THEN WHY HAVENT fps games chANgedddd!! 

What? :|

I agree most people haven't played Zelda and Zelda hasn't been very much the same. But you prove to be just as stupid saying all FPSs are the same. How about you play them and find out?

Game Company; Thats it We are going to change FPSes forever. First thing is no guns... O wait. Ok No more first person view... O wait...

ANd FPSes have changed, unless you dont consider New Enemies, weapons, Better AI, Larger Levels, and better graphics change.

Edit, O I see your with nintendo, so your under the belief that the only way to change game play is with a new controller, instead of changing the actual game. 

[QUOTE="D0013ER"]You can't really change the first-person-perspective shooting aspects of a First Person Shooter and still call it a First Person Shooter...jessmo30_basic

Adventure gams can have adventure without swords, Racing games have evolved, why Not FPs IF YOU GOING TO KNOCK ZELDA SAYING THE GAMEPLAY IS THE FRIGGIN Same (WHICH IT IS NOT) THEN WHY HAVENT fps games chANgedddd!!

Calm down there, slugger.  Never in the history of my account have I knocked Zelda. 

You guys knock zelda (even though every one is fresh and differnt)

But yet you need a change of pants every time a new shiny FPS is shown.

what has changed with the FPS genre in the last 10 years?

 

what did golden eye have? Rocket launcher check,assault rifle check, sniper rifle check, grenades Check,duel weapons Check,

How does Halo or Bio shock or the %90 of the gamnes on the 360 and ps3 change the formula?

You Knock N games for voice acting and yet 90 percent of all games out have the same basic gameplay!

jessmo30_basic

I must have missed the parts in Goldeneye where you could inject yourself with various chemicals to give yourself special abilities, throw some crap on an opponent to have another opponent focus on him instead of you, light a toy bear on fire then telekinetically throw it onto an opponent to set him on fire, etc.

I agree most people haven't played Zelda and Zelda hasn't been very much the same. But you prove to be just as stupid saying all FPSs are the same. How about you play them and find out?

Nerkcon

They all have the same weapons. sniper heavy gun, grenades pistol ect.  The lemmings (including jeff) has chosen to follow this

Logic so the sheep are hitting back. 

[QUOTE="hongkingkong"]

OMFGH like- a - 3rd person shooter or something. OMGoodGod wait till EPIC hears about this!

FPS stands for FIRST PERSON SHOOTER, the gameplay will always, in essence, be the same. You can jazz it up with more gadgets and better graphics but real huge innovations would require new hardware e.g. virtual reality, and thats a long way off becoming commercial.

jessmo30_basic

sO i CAN SAY THAT THIRD PERSON ADVENTURE GAMES WILL ALWAYS BE THE SAME ie zelda right? CHANGE THE FRIGGIN FPS GENRE!!! 

OK SIR I'LL GET RIGHT ON IT!!!!!!!!!

Game Company; Thats it We are going to change FPSes forever. First thing is no guns... O wait. Ok No more first person view... O wait...

htekemerald

:lol: That was amusing!

Prey. Portal. BioShockOwnz

yep, theres 2 examples of change 

we need like a anime typie fps game with a good story like ff has or something. and be able to change weapons to 1st but sorta be like a fps rpg game. dcm06

TF2 will have graphics that look like the incredibles. i think that's a step in the right direction. too much fps's are starting to look alike now a days. they need to diversify their styles. 

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You guys knock zelda (even though every one is fresh and differnt)

But yet you need a change of pants every time a new shiny FPS is shown.

what has changed with the FPS genre in the last 10 years?

 

what did golden eye have? Rocket launcher check,assault rifle check, sniper rifle check, grenades Check,duel weapons Check,

How does Halo or Bio shock or the %90 of the gamnes on the 360 and ps3 change the formula?

You Knock N games for voice acting and yet 90 percent of all games out have the same basic gameplay!

aliasfreak

I must have missed the parts in Goldeneye where you could inject yourself with various chemicals to give yourself special abilities, throw some crap on an opponent to have another opponent focus on him instead of you, light a toy bear on fire then telekinetically throw it onto an opponent to set him on fire, etc.

No that part wasnt in the game but the sniper rifle was. I dont care hoe you spin it 90 percent of all Fps games have the same weapons and the same gameplay. and metroid is a first person adventure. 

Yes.  Because there is no difference between Halo, Goldeneye, and Counterstrike.

Duuurrrrr 

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Prey. Portal. TheBigDrat

yep, theres 2 examples of change

Where there sniper rilfes and rocket launchers in either? 

[QUOTE="Nerkcon"]

I agree most people haven't played Zelda and Zelda hasn't been very much the same. But you prove to be just as stupid saying all FPSs are the same. How about you play them and find out?

jessmo30_basic

They all have the same weapons. sniper heavy gun, grenades pistol ect. The lemmings (including jeff) has chosen to follow this

Logic so the sheep are hitting back.

Hmm, well we are seeing some more focus on the third person perspective in shooters, cover etc.

I'll stay away from the term FPS, but just call it shooter okay? So include third person as well.

Innovations are made in FPS, the gravity gun, A.I improvements, level design improvements, the major bump in the graphics (as in amount of stuff on screen) can change the gameplay as well. Because suddenly you have way more cover to use, more vantage points etc. Also we can say that there has been an innovation towards multiplayer based shooters, where your opponents are humans and the game is built around multiplayer (battlefield 1942 by example). Wich adds another innovation, vehicles.

 Every genre has its innovations, some are just easier to spot then others. Sure the basic idea stays the same, point shoot kill, the way of doing it differs. 

Yes. Because there is no difference between Halo, Goldeneye, and Counterstrike.

Duuurrrrr

t3hTwinky

You right the weapons and play mechanics are the same atleast portal and Giest added puzzle play!

The point Im getting at is that if Golden ey and halo arnt the same then

zelda OOt and zelda TP arent the same. 

You've had the divergence of over five different genres from the evolution of FPS games. You've had the basic exploration FPS/RPG hyrbid like Deus Ex. You've had the MMOFPS games like HUXLEY and Planetside. You've had adventure FPS games like Metroid that required puzzles and thinking on your feet. You've had twitch FPS games like Quake and Unreal. There are many many more. FPS games are a lot more varied.Vandalvideo

I agree. there are different types. i just wished they'd vary the art style more too. most are SciFi, horror or modern day. and very few are comedy or fantasy. 

compare farcry to unreal....or doom to goldeneye .....zelda has been made sooo many times and there havent been huge differnces. but then either has final fantasy....why change what is going good.

by the way....i hate zelda :)

[QUOTE="TheBigDrat"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Prey. Portal. jessmo30_basic

yep, theres 2 examples of change

Where there sniper rilfes and rocket launchers in either?

So they should eliminate aspects of the genre than people enjoy and expect, just for the sake of change? 

[QUOTE="jessmo30_basic"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"]

I agree most people haven't played Zelda and Zelda hasn't been very much the same. But you prove to be just as stupid saying all FPSs are the same. How about you play them and find out?

htekemerald

They all have the same weapons. sniper heavy gun, grenades pistol ect. The lemmings (including jeff) has chosen to follow this

Logic so the sheep are hitting back.

So is zelda the only game? where you mash a button for your sword? theres a game out there that uses the *GASP* wii mote to slash, but you probalby have never plkayed it and Im gonna get the guy who called  me a moron a 7 day! 

[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]

Yes. Because there is no difference between Halo, Goldeneye, and Counterstrike.

Duuurrrrr

jessmo30_basic

You right the weapons and play mechanics are the same atleast portal and Giest added puzzle play!

The point Im getting at is that if Golden ey and halo arnt the same then

zelda OOt and zelda TP arent the same.

[QUOTE="jessmo30_basic"][QUOTE="TheBigDrat"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Prey. Portal. swamprat_basic

yep, theres 2 examples of change

Where there sniper rilfes and rocket launchers in either?

So they should eliminate aspects of the genre than people enjoy and expect, just for the sake of change? 

There are neither in Portal. ;)

Anyways jessmo, are you saying there shouldn't be guns in a FPS? :?

I see your point but tbh every FPS that comes out just gets better especailly with next gen, i really like the Rainbow Six Vegas Approach to the semi 1st person view, online FPSs should all have similar options it is just such a good idea.  FPSs have been a leading forefront it development in graphical technology, if it were up to ninty then we would still be hacking up flower people in a 64 bit hell-hole.  FPSs are getting more inventive with such a limited camera perspective, the idea is to make you the gamer feel like you are actually kicking alien/terrorist/combine butt and the genre is getting better at that.

[QUOTE="jessmo30_basic"][QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]

Yes. Because there is no difference between Halo, Goldeneye, and Counterstrike.

Duuurrrrr

jessmo30_basic

You right the weapons and play mechanics are the same atleast portal and Giest added puzzle play!

The point Im getting at is that if Golden ey and halo arnt the same then

zelda OOt and zelda TP arent the same.

You can't change the fundamental of a genre. What you can change are the characters, worlds, and themes that are explored.

You can create NEW genres but its very hard and is often very risky.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You've had the divergence of over five different genres from the evolution of FPS games. You've had the basic exploration FPS/RPG hyrbid like Deus Ex. You've had the MMOFPS games like HUXLEY and Planetside. You've had adventure FPS games like Metroid that required puzzles and thinking on your feet. You've had twitch FPS games like Quake and Unreal. There are many many more. FPS games are a lot more varied.Ontain

I agree. there are different types. i just wished they'd vary the art style more too. most are SciFi, horror or modern day. and very few are comedy or fantasy. 

Isn't time splitters sort of comedic? 

look for bioshock to change the fps genreTheBigDrat

Indeed. :D

You guys knock zelda (even though every one is fresh and differnt)

But yet you need a change of pants every time a new shiny FPS is shown.

what has changed with the FPS genre in the last 10 years?

 

what did golden eye have? Rocket launcher check,assault rifle check, sniper rifle check, grenades Check,duel weapons Check,

How does Halo or Bio shock or the %90 of the gamnes on the 360 and ps3 change the formula?

You Knock N games for voice acting and yet 90 percent of all games out have the same basic gameplay!

jessmo30_basic

 Err no they aren't. Progression of a Zelda game:

 Intro.

Run about for a bit.

Storyline sequence.

Dungeon where you fight 2 bosses, usually finding a new tool immediately after fighting the 1st boss.

More story line.

Run about/ complete mini-quests/ find secrets/ whatever

Lather rinse repeat.

Also notice that in probably every Zelda game (definately past SNES, never played the ones before Link to the Past) that you get the Master Sword, arrows, bombs, hookshot (or a variation of), 4 bottles, pieces of heart, rupees, etc etc. So stop whinging about FPS weapons when Zelda's been using the same tools for more than 10 years. I love Zelda games but the general gameplay hasn't changed much since day 1 which is what makes them popular.

I can barely understand what you're saying.

You right the weapons and play mechanics are the same atleast portal and Giest added puzzle play!

So, you're saying that Halo- a first person sci-fi shooter set in freaking space- has the same weapons and gameplay as Counterstrike, an online tactical shooter set in modern times AND Goldeneye, a 10-year-old James Bond action game?

Dear god did you have paint chips for breakfast? :|

You guys knock zelda (even though every one is fresh and differnt)

But yet you need a change of pants every time a new shiny FPS is shown.

what has changed with the FPS genre in the last 10 years?

 

what did golden eye have? Rocket launcher check,assault rifle check, sniper rifle check, grenades Check,duel weapons Check,

How does Halo or Bio shock or the %90 of the gamnes on the 360 and ps3 change the formula?

You Knock N games for voice acting and yet 90 percent of all games out have the same basic gameplay!

jessmo30_basic

FPSes changed more in the last 10 years than Zelda did.AdrianWerner

QFT.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]FPSes changed more in the last 10 years than Zelda did.Bread_or_Decide

QFT.

 fanboys, Most of the adventuring in the early part of zelda was in the twilight realm where your ar  *gasp* adventuring*

If you would play zelda you would realize that even the old weapons and play Mechanics are upgraded. ZELda is like JJR tolkien Lore Halo is like a Cheap 90s arnold movie. it wont be a classic.