.... Why is it that Cows act as if the 360's CPU is terrible?

I want a sraight answer why? I mean Devs say they are about equal with the Ps3 having a slight lead. I mean every time I speak with a "Cow" they always say : "well the 360 can't do MAG and Kz2 because there is so too mny things going on on the screen." Some even say that Gears 2 is the limit of the 360

Come on Cows put a legit reason of why I should stick wih my Ps3 and not buy another 360 (mine was lauch it was bound to die sooner or later).

A lot of the info shared by users on this board is disinformation. If you really want the facts then you should research documented facts about the platform hardwares.

The same reason the Lems act like the PS3's GPU is terrible, Sheep act like Waggle > Standard Controllers, or Hermits play Crisis everyday.

I don't like generalizations anyways.

Just ignore all rabid factions, and deal with the sensible folk.

Besides, we haven't had a GPU/CPU problem in a while, so you bringing this up isn't good...

The same reason the Lems act like the PS3's GPU is terrible.

Just ignore both factions, and besides, we haven't had a GPU/CPU problem in a while, so you bringing this up isn't good...

SolidTy

Teh Cell.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

The same reason the Lems act like the PS3's GPU is terrible.

Just ignore both factions, and besides, we haven't had a GPU/CPU problem in a while, so you bringing this up isn't good...

2beers_in_hand

Yeah, things were about to take a nasty spin, and we would have to look at that stupid IGN link all over again.

Both machines are very capable, and let's enjoy them.

The same reason the Lems act like the PS3's GPU is terrible, Sheep act like Waggle > Standard Controllers, or Hermits play Crisis everyday.

I don't like generalizations anyways.

Just ignore all factions, and besides, we haven't had a GPU/CPU problem in a while, so you bringing this up isn't good...

SolidTy

This actually seems to happen a lot more. From what I've seen, at least.

[QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

The same reason the Lems act like the PS3's GPU is terrible.

Just ignore both factions, and besides, we haven't had a GPU/CPU problem in a while, so you bringing this up isn't good...

SolidTy

Yeah, things were about to take a nasty spin, and we would have to look at that stupid IGN link all over again.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

The same reason the Lems act like the PS3's GPU is terrible, Sheep act like Waggle > Standard Controllers, or Hermits play Crisis everyday.

I don't like generalizations anyways.

Just ignore all factions, and besides, we haven't had a GPU/CPU problem in a while, so you bringing this up isn't good...

Floppy_Jim

This actually seems to happen a lot more. From what I've seen, at least.

You know, that's what I originally had, but I added the rest to balance out my post. As far as CPU vs. GPU thread shenanigans, you are right, here at SW, it's been a lot more about the GPU, and the CPU usually is brought up as a counter arguement.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"] Thank you TY retro thread from hell meh!!!

2beers_in_hand

Yeah, things were about to take a nasty spin, and we would have to look at that stupid IGN link all over again.

You are so right, those were painful years...lmao. I saw this thread,, and ZOOM, I came in to hopefully stop it from getting insane again. It's funny. No one ever "wins", people argue about spec numbers, and the thread goes on and on.

Those were painful memories, spot on!

2009 has been a fairly good year in SW in that regard (avoiding that argument.)

[QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Yeah, things were about to take a nasty spin, and we would have to look at that stupid IGN link all over again.

SolidTy

You are so right, those were painful years...lmao. I saw this thread,, and ZOOM, I came in to hopefully stop it from getting insane again. It's funny. No one ever "wins", people argue about spec numbers, and the thread goes on and on.

Those were painful memories, spot on!

2009 has been a fairly good year in SW in that regard (avoiding that argument.)

As far as I was aware the GPU of the 360 pips the PS3's, but the Cell processor pips the 360's CPU if its handled well.

Would love to see the Cell pushed. But then PC gamers are still waiting to see full decent Quad Core utilisation on PC's.

I would have to say it comes down to the games on the market. I don't think its the 360's cpu's fault at all but more like the fault of MS being money hungry and not allowing devs to take their time and make a game that shows its power off. I mean going on 4 years on the market and the 360's show case game is still Geow. While the ps3 has KZ2, Mgs4, Rfom 1&2 (enemies on screen) Uncharted (with U2 showing off alot physics in its game trailers so far), MAG coming up with 256 players which should be cpu heavy and others coming.

Until MS starts putting out some different games that show off the ability of the 360, I think this idea of PS3's cpu being better is only going to get worse. And at some point then you've got to question just what the 360 can or can't do. But right now I put it on MS's back, and its devs and not the 360.

Because according to Capcom the 360s CPU is terrible.

"Though some say the performance of the Xbox 360 CPU is not very good, according to Capcom, the performance of a single core of the Xbox 360 CPU is 2/3 of the Pentium 4 with the same clock speed. When SMT is fully exploited, about 4 times larger performance can be observed. In terms of PC it's comparable with 4 SMT threads in a dual-core Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 840 (3.2GHz)."

I would have to say it comes down to the games on the market. I don't think its the 360's cpu's fault at all but more like the fault of MS being money hungry and not allowing devs to take their time and make a game that shows its power off. I mean going on 4 years on the market and the 360's show case game is still Geow. While the ps3 has KZ2, Mgs4, Rfom 1&2 (enemies on screen) Uncharted (with U2 showing off alot physics in its game trailers so far), MAG coming up with 256 players which should be cpu heavy and others coming.

Until MS starts putting out some different games that show off the ability of the 360, I think this idea of PS3's cpu being better is only going to get worse. And at some point then you've got to question just what the 360 can or can't do. But right now I put it on MS's back, and its devs and not the 360.

GreyFoXX4

well its kind of obvious the 7 cores is more powerfull than 3. 3 isn't terrible though, my computer uses a triple core but its clock is at 2.44GHz instead of 3.2, and i think is pretty great.

well its kind of obvious the 7 cores is more powerfull than 3. 3 isn't terrible though, my computer uses a triple core but its clock is at 2.44GHz instead of 3.2, and i think is pretty great.

kkevguy47k

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

The same reason the Lems act like the PS3's GPU is terrible, Sheep act like Waggle > Standard Controllers, or Hermits play Crisis everyday.

I don't like generalizations anyways.

Just ignore all factions, and besides, we haven't had a GPU/CPU problem in a while, so you bringing this up isn't good...

Floppy_Jim

This actually seems to happen a lot more. From what I've seen, at least.

well its kind of obvious the 7 cores is more powerfull than 3. 3 isn't terrible though, my computer uses a triple core but its clock is at 2.44GHz instead of 3.2, and i think is pretty great.

kkevguy47k

You cannot judge performance by the number of cores something has, the per core performance and what each core can do are important factors.

In reality PS3 only has one core, SPEs are something different to what is running in PCs and 360.

well its kind of obvious the 7 cores is more powerfull than 3. 3 isn't terrible though, my computer uses a triple core but its clock is at 2.44GHz instead of 3.2, and i think is pretty great.

kkevguy47k

it doesnt matter how many cores a system have, if devs cant use them they became useless12345yon

And that comment of yours would be relevant if we were still back in 2007. however that bash is quite rediclious now..

MGS4

Killzone 2

Littlebigplanet

Warhawk

InFamous

Uncharted

Resistance 2

GT5P

Upcomming:

MAG

Demon's Soul's

Rachet n Clank: lost in time

The Last Guardian

Uncharted 2

GT5

Heavy Rain

GOW3

...all showhow the developers are "using" the cores of PS3, so infact making comments about developers not being able to use the cores/power of PS3 in 2009 when it's not 2007 anymore is :) "useless"

Because according to Capcom the 360s CPU is terrible.AnnoyedDragon

And according to this article both the cell and xenon aren't that good,the cell is not any better.Tessellation

I remember reading an article on a different site back in 2005 that said the same thing.

I'm not specifically picking on 360, the thread is about 360; so that's the one I responded about.

[QUOTE="12345yon"]it doesnt matter how many cores a system have, if devs cant use them they became uselessplayharderfool

And that comment of yours would be relevant if we were still back in 2007. however that bash is quite rediclious now..

MGS4

Killzone 2

Littlebigplanet

Warhawk

InFamous

Uncharted

Resistance 2

GT5P

Upcomming:

MAG

Demon's Soul's

Rachet n Clank: lost in time

The Last Guardian

Uncharted 2

GT5

Heavy Rain

GOW3

...all showhow the developers are "using" the cores of PS3, so infact making comments about developers not being able to use the cores/power of PS3 in 2009 when it's not 2007 anymore is :) "useless"

[QUOTE="12345yon"]it doesnt matter how many cores a system have, if devs cant use them they became uselessplayharderfool

And that comment of yours would be relevant if we were still back in 2007. however that bash is quite rediclious now..

MGS4

Killzone 2

Littlebigplanet

Warhawk

InFamous

Uncharted

Resistance 2

GT5P

Upcomming:

MAG

Demon's Soul's

Rachet n Clank: lost in time

The Last Guardian

Uncharted 2

GT5

Heavy Rain

GOW3

...all showhow the developers are "using" the cores of PS3, so infact making comments about developers not being able to use the cores/power of PS3 in 2009 when it's not 2007 anymore is :) "useless"

what the 360 needs is a dev to build from ground up a gaem engine just for it to let it shine, that is why ps3 games are looking good, but it did take those devs like 2-3 years just for that engine to be madeadman66

Im sure theres no game on PS3 that 360 cant do and vice versa. Both systems are tecnically too similar

MS made the X360 easy to develop nice looking games on, this was they're plan. Devs did'nt need a lot of dev time to make the games look good. They made it very similar to a PC and it also uses DirectX. Sony went the other way(and maybe the wrong way), they made a difficult new architecture where devs had to think differently. Therefor, Sony had no chose but using a lot of dev time on they're exclusives. These consoles are very similar, but the PS3 exclusives are showing improvements in everything, not just graphics. The animation, physics and sound is also improving alot, and that is mainly do to the Cell and BluRay (because it streams the animation straight from the BD disc so it can have a huge amount of animation).Martin_G_N

I thought consoles used OpenGL not DirectX.

I began to google this: 360 use directx?

After clicking on a few links i hit one that would not open. Then AVG popped up and said the page may contain viruses. So... I closed out of it and my searching is done. lol

Because Killzone 2 has better graphics than Halo 3 or whatever.

Because Killzone 2 has better graphics than Halo 3 or whatever.

dommeus

The same reason the Lems act like the PS3's GPU is terrible, Sheep act like Waggle > Standard Controllers, or Hermits play Crisis everyday.

I don't like generalizations anyways.

Just ignore all rabid factions, and deal with the sensible folk.

Besides, we haven't had a GPU/CPU problem in a while, so you bringing this up isn't good...

SolidTy

what the 360 needs is a dev to build from ground up a gaem engine just for it to let it shine, that is why ps3 games are looking good, but it did take those devs like 2-3 years just for that engine to be madeadman66

if that is the case then MS probably visited SW forums the past 3 yrs and decided not to have its 1st party devs build new game engines from scratch dedicated to run 360 games onlyand take that long, considering how its loyal fans (lemmings) bashed titles such as KZ2 & otherPS3 exclusivesfor taking 5 yrs to be finished..

I would have to say it comes down to the games on the market. I don't think its the 360's cpu's fault at all but more like the fault of MS being money hungry and not allowing devs to take their time and make a game that shows its power off. I mean going on 4 years on the market and the 360's show case game is still Geow. While the ps3 has KZ2, Mgs4, Rfom 1&2 (enemies on screen) Uncharted (with U2 showing off alot physics in its game trailers so far), MAG coming up with 256 players which should be cpu heavy and others coming.

Until MS starts putting out some different games that show off the ability of the 360, I think this idea of PS3's cpu being better is only going to get worse. And at some point then you've got to question just what the 360 can or can't do. But right now I put it on MS's back, and its devs and not the 360.

GreyFoXX4

[QUOTE="adman66"]what the 360 needs is a dev to build from ground up a gaem engine just for it to let it shine, that is why ps3 games are looking good, but it did take those devs like 2-3 years just for that engine to be madeMalta_1980

if that is the case then MS probably visited SW forums the past 3 yrs and decided not to have its 1st party devs build new game engines from scratch dedicated to run 360 games onlyand take that long, considering how its loyal fans (lemmings) bashed titles such as KZ2 & otherPS3 exclusivesfor taking 5 yrs to be finished..