Why is it that PS4 has much less games than the PS2 and X360 despite selling as much?

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#1 CinematicGalore
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PS2 in its second year (2002) had Kingdom Hearts, Sly Cooper 1, Socom, R&C, The Getaway, Medal of Honor: Frontline etc.

X360 in its second year (2007) had Halo 3, Crackdown, Forza Motorsport 2, Mass Effect, Shadowrun, Bioshock, PGR4 etc.

PS4 in its second year (2015) has Bloodborne and a few remasters?

Pretty much proves Sony is coasting. They should have like five AAA games given how much they're selling.

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#2 speedfreak48t5p
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2007 was xbox 360's third year actually.

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Well with over 400 games to currently play, its not lacking in the games department.

By golly there's games for everyone, including 3 recently reviewed 10/10 games.

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#4  Edited By CinematicGalore
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@speedfreak48t5p said:

2007 was xbox 360's third year actually.

I don't count launching in the fall as a full year. Same as the PS2 and PS4 years.

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#5 speedfreak48t5p
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@cinematicgalore said:
@speedfreak48t5p said:

2007 was xbox 360's third year actually.

I don't count launching in the fall as a full year. Same as the PS2 and PS4 years.

Okay then.

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So whose alt is that? NyaDCs'? What got you upset, the FTC thing? Wipe your eyes.

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  1. Bloodborne
  2. inFamous: Second Son
  3. Killzone: Shadow Fall
  4. The Last of Us Remastered
  5. Dragon Age Inquisition
  6. Batman: Arkham Knight
  7. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
  8. Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor
  9. Ultra Street Fighter IV
  10. Mortal Kombat X
  11. Dying Light
  12. Project CARS
  13. Destiny
  14. Assassin's Creed Unity
  15. Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare
  16. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
  17. Far Cry 4
  18. Watch Dogs
  19. Alien: Isolation
  20. The Evil Within
  21. Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD
  22. Dark Souls II: Shadow of the First Sin
  23. Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes
  24. Final Fantasy Type 0
  25. Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn
  26. Diablo III: Reaper of Souls
  27. Battlefield 4
  28. Battlefield Hardline
  29. Rayman Legends
  30. Guilty Gear Xrd Sign
  31. Wolfenstein: The New Order
  32. Life Is Strange
  33. DriveClub
  34. Resident Evil HD
  35. Valiant Hearts
  36. Child of Light
  37. Velocity 2X
  38. Grand Theft Auto V
  39. Journey
  40. Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number
  41. Shovel Knight
  42. Resogun
  43. Rocket League
  44. Tomb Raider
  45. Metro Redux
  46. Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare
  47. Evolve
  48. Dragon Ball: Xenoverse
  49. Transistor
  50. The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited
  51. Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
  52. Tearaway Unfolded

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#8  Edited By CinematicGalore
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Dem Multi-plats sure showed me. lol

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@cinematicgalore said:

Dem Multi-plats sure showed me. lol

Just like Bioshock and Mass Effect?

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#10  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@cinematicgalore said:

Dem Multi-plats sure showed me. lol

Pst....multi plats ARE games. You're welcome.

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#11  Edited By CinematicGalore
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@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:

Dem Multi-plats sure showed me. lol

Just like Bioshock and Mass Effect?

They were exclusive in those years.

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@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:

Dem Multi-plats sure showed me. lol

Just like Bioshock and Mass Effect?

They were exclusive in those years.

As was Velocity when it launched, or Final Fantasy XIV?

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@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:

Dem Multi-plats sure showed me. lol

Just like Bioshock and Mass Effect?

They were exclusive in those years.

As was Velocity when it launched, or Final Fantasy XIV?

Huh?

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#14  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:

Dem Multi-plats sure showed me. lol

Just like Bioshock and Mass Effect?

They were exclusive in those years.

As was Velocity when it launched, or Final Fantasy XIV?

Huh?

Those games were exclusive when they launched on PS4 too, they count as much as Mass Effect or Bioshock, both of which had announcements of PC versions already made even before they released

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@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
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Just like Bioshock and Mass Effect?

They were exclusive in those years.

As was Velocity when it launched, or Final Fantasy XIV?

Huh?

Those games were exclusive when they launched on PS4 too, they count as much as Mass Effect or Bioshock, both of which had announcements of PC versions already made even before they released

PS2's 2002 and X360's 2007 are far better than PS4's 2015 despite the 360 selling less than the PS4. Whatever point you're trying to make is moot and if you think PS4's line-up is better, well, get off the drugs, buddy.

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@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:
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They were exclusive in those years.

As was Velocity when it launched, or Final Fantasy XIV?

Huh?

Those games were exclusive when they launched on PS4 too, they count as much as Mass Effect or Bioshock, both of which had announcements of PC versions already made even before they released

PS2's 2002 and X360's 2007 are far better than PS4's 2015 despite the 360 selling less than the PS4. Whatever point you're trying to make is moot and if you think PS4's line-up is better, well, get off the drugs, buddy.

Did I say better? I didn't say better.

Your OP was a question of quantity, not quality, the quantity is what I have addressed here.

You want quality, go get yourself a Wii U and get off the Xbox One train.

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@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
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As was Velocity when it launched, or Final Fantasy XIV?

Huh?

Those games were exclusive when they launched on PS4 too, they count as much as Mass Effect or Bioshock, both of which had announcements of PC versions already made even before they released

PS2's 2002 and X360's 2007 are far better than PS4's 2015 despite the 360 selling less than the PS4. Whatever point you're trying to make is moot and if you think PS4's line-up is better, well, get off the drugs, buddy.

Did I say better? I didn't say better.

Your OP was a question of quantity, not quality, the quantity is what I have addressed here.

You want quality, go get yourself a Wii U and get off the Xbox One train.

We're discussing PS2 and X360 vs PS4. For a mod, you're awfully off topic and bias.

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@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:
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Huh?

Those games were exclusive when they launched on PS4 too, they count as much as Mass Effect or Bioshock, both of which had announcements of PC versions already made even before they released

PS2's 2002 and X360's 2007 are far better than PS4's 2015 despite the 360 selling less than the PS4. Whatever point you're trying to make is moot and if you think PS4's line-up is better, well, get off the drugs, buddy.

Did I say better? I didn't say better.

Your OP was a question of quantity, not quality, the quantity is what I have addressed here.

You want quality, go get yourself a Wii U and get off the Xbox One train.

We're discussing PS2 and X360 vs PS4. For a mod, you're awfully off topic and bias.

And I am staying on topic. if you had specifically asked for quality, I would have answered within those parameters. Your topic is about quantity, I answered that question, you're the one trying to divert from that.

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#19  Edited By CinematicGalore
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@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
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Those games were exclusive when they launched on PS4 too, they count as much as Mass Effect or Bioshock, both of which had announcements of PC versions already made even before they released

PS2's 2002 and X360's 2007 are far better than PS4's 2015 despite the 360 selling less than the PS4. Whatever point you're trying to make is moot and if you think PS4's line-up is better, well, get off the drugs, buddy.

Did I say better? I didn't say better.

Your OP was a question of quantity, not quality, the quantity is what I have addressed here.

You want quality, go get yourself a Wii U and get off the Xbox One train.

We're discussing PS2 and X360 vs PS4. For a mod, you're awfully off topic and bias.

And I am staying on topic. if you had specifically asked for quality, I would have answered within those parameters. Your topic is about quantity, I answered that question, you're the one trying to divert from that.

Quantity is still better on the X360 and PS2. Those two had big fucking libraries.

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#20  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@cinematicgalore: By the end, sure. Two years in, nope. PS4 has actually set the record for most number of games available this soon after launch. Entire consoles don't have as many games over the course of their entire lives as PS4 already does.

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@charizard1605: Well, there's stuff on the PS4 that don't even match PacMan in terms of "game".

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@cinematicgalore: Subjective. We can argue opinions all day and get nowhere, all we have to prove anything is cold hard facts, and going by those, the PS4 wins.

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@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:

We're discussing PS2 and X360 vs PS4. For a mod, you're awfully off topic and bias.

And I am staying on topic. if you had specifically asked for quality, I would have answered within those parameters. Your topic is about quantity, I answered that question, you're the one trying to divert from that.

Quantity is still better on the X360 and PS2. Those two had big fucking libraries.

I'd rather play a few quality games than bad games for quantity. Not sure why that is even an issue. General statement and not directed at specific consoles. Just found your point silly.

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@cinematicgalore said:

@charizard1605: Well, there's stuff on the PS4 that don't even match PacMan in terms of "game".

How do you still have posting rights?

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Going my metacritic PS4 has about 400 games available right now? How many games did PS2 and 360 have in the same time frame?

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#26  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@PAL360 said:

Going my metacritic PS4 has about 400 games available right now? How many games did PS2 and 360 have in the same time frame?

By the end of 2007 (so, about three months more taken into account than PS4 has right now), Xbox 360 had 318 games listed on Metacritic.

PS2 had 248 games by the end of 2002 (so again, three months ahead of PS2).

Yeah, PS4 wins by any metric.

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Exclusives mean shit these days

Multiplats are the only thing that matters, PS4 does multiplats best

The people who care about exclusives live in nursing homes, love oatmeal, and miss split screen.

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@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:
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Huh?

Those games were exclusive when they launched on PS4 too, they count as much as Mass Effect or Bioshock, both of which had announcements of PC versions already made even before they released

PS2's 2002 and X360's 2007 are far better than PS4's 2015 despite the 360 selling less than the PS4. Whatever point you're trying to make is moot and if you think PS4's line-up is better, well, get off the drugs, buddy.

Did I say better? I didn't say better.

Your OP was a question of quantity, not quality, the quantity is what I have addressed here.

You want quality, go get yourself a Wii U and get off the Xbox One train.

We're discussing PS2 and X360 vs PS4. For a mod, you're awfully off topic and bias.

Says the guy diverting from the original topic of quantity and singling out the PS4.

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#29  Edited By ito123456789
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@Jaysonguy said:

Exclusives mean shit these days

Multiplats are the only thing that matters, PS4 does multiplats best

The people who care about exclusives live in nursing homes, love oatmeal, and miss split screen.

Oh exactly the opposite as last gen don't you think? When having worse multiplats but some more exclusives was the way to go. I can't believe how well PS understands each generation.
What else? Graphics didn't mathered and paid multiplayer was heresy until the PS4 launch?

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Because PS2 is the greatest console of all time.

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#31  Edited By deactivated-5a44ec138c1e6
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@charizard1605 said:
  1. Bloodborne
  2. inFamous: Second Son
  3. Killzone: Shadow Fall
  4. The Last of Us Remastered
  5. Dragon Age Inquisition
  6. Batman: Arkham Knight
  7. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
  8. Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor
  9. Ultra Street Fighter IV
  10. Mortal Kombat X
  11. Dying Light
  12. Project CARS
  13. Destiny
  14. Assassin's Creed Unity
  15. Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare
  16. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
  17. Far Cry 4
  18. Watch Dogs
  19. Alien: Isolation
  20. The Evil Within
  21. Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD
  22. Dark Souls II: Shadow of the First Sin
  23. Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes
  24. Final Fantasy Type 0
  25. Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn
  26. Diablo III: Reaper of Souls
  27. Battlefield 4
  28. Battlefield Hardline
  29. Rayman Legends
  30. Guilty Gear Xrd Sign
  31. Wolfenstein: The New Order
  32. Life Is Strange
  33. DriveClub
  34. Resident Evil HD
  35. Valiant Hearts
  36. Child of Light
  37. Velocity 2X
  38. Grand Theft Auto V
  39. Journey
  40. Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number
  41. Shovel Knight
  42. Resogun
  43. Rocket League
  44. Tomb Raider
  45. Metro Redux
  46. Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare
  47. Evolve
  48. Dragon Ball: Xenoverse
  49. Transistor
  50. The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited
  51. Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
  52. Tearaway Unfolded

Exclusives only tho.....

lol at Dark Souls II: Shadow of the First Sin

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@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
@cinematicgalore said:
@charizard1605 said:
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Those games were exclusive when they launched on PS4 too, they count as much as Mass Effect or Bioshock, both of which had announcements of PC versions already made even before they released

PS2's 2002 and X360's 2007 are far better than PS4's 2015 despite the 360 selling less than the PS4. Whatever point you're trying to make is moot and if you think PS4's line-up is better, well, get off the drugs, buddy.

Did I say better? I didn't say better.

Your OP was a question of quantity, not quality, the quantity is what I have addressed here.

You want quality, go get yourself a Wii U and get off the Xbox One train.

We're discussing PS2 and X360 vs PS4. For a mod, you're awfully off topic and bias.

And I am staying on topic. if you had specifically asked for quality, I would have answered within those parameters. Your topic is about quantity, I answered that question, you're the one trying to divert from that.

No, I'm sorry but you went off topic there......

It's ok, it's ok... don't worry.

Just say you're sorry and then tell him you'd like to go off topic..

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#33  Edited By deactivated-5a44ec138c1e6
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@PAL360 said:

Going my metacritic PS4 has about 400 games available right now? How many games did PS2 and 360 have in the same time frame?

If only Indie games was........

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Can someone hit this guy with the ban hammer already?

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#35  Edited By PAL360
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@acp_45:

PS2 and 360 also had lots of "indie" games (2d platformers, shoot em up, puzzle games, etc). They just weren't called like that.

Some indies are amazing, though. I don't get the hate.

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@speedfreak48t5p said:

2007 was xbox 360's third year actually.

Nov 2005 to Jan 2006 counts as 12 months? On what planet?

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@PAL360 said:

@acp_45:

PS2 and 360 also had lots of "indie" games (2d platformers, shoot em up, puzzle games, etc). They just weren't called like that.

Some indies are amazing, though. I don't get the hate.

Me neither... Indie games are fricken insane....

But they are really starting to pour in right now.....

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@cinematicgalore: perhaps you're too young to understand games are a business. Especially now with games being in HD, having larger cinematic themes and elements, voice actors, ect all adds up to the overall price to produce a game.

Development cycles are a lot slower now than they were then because of these factors. In the 90s game could be produced by the same developer year after year, ps2 it became a 2 year cycle, now were getting more of a 3-4 year cycle.

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@charizard1605 said:
@PAL360 said:

Going my metacritic PS4 has about 400 games available right now? How many games did PS2 and 360 have in the same time frame?

By the end of 2007 (so, about three months more taken into account than PS4 has right now), Xbox 360 had 318 games listed on Metacritic.

PS2 had 248 games by the end of 2002 (so again, three months ahead of PS2).

Yeah, PS4 wins by any metric.

We're talking about exclusives, X360 and PS2 have more exclusives and better quality exclusives than the PS4.

My thread title was obviously oversight. You can't argue the above now, can you?

Well given you think the PS4 is the greatest console ever (holy shit lol), you'll probably find a way too. lol

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#40  Edited By deactivated-5cd08b1605da1
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And idiots keep forgetting Infamous SS an 8/10 game

Oh, and recently Until Dawn, also an 8/10 game

hey, you're counting crackdown and shadowrun on the 360s side so its only fair these two count aswell

so yeah... nice try lem

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#41 CinematicGalore
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@Vatusus said:

And idiots keep forgetting Infamous SS an 8/10 game

Oh, and recently Until Dawn, also an 8/10 game

hey, you're counting crackdown and shadowrun on the 360s side so its only fair these two count aswell

so yeah... nice try lem

Crackdown and Shadowrun are far better than Infamous: Second Shit and Until Yawn and the former doesn't count because it wasn't released in 2015. Get a clock, weirdo.

Cows are really trying to argue PS4's 2015 is better than PS2's 2002 and X360's 2007, makes me think do you guys actually like games? lol

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#42 kingtito
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@speedfreak48t5p said:

2007 was xbox 360's third year actually.

It launched in 2005. How is that 3 years?

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#43 locopatho
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PS4 has dozens if not hundreds of good, great and amazing games.

"But multiplats don't count, wah!"

Of course they fucking do, always have and always will. You can go back over 30 years to Atari and find somne of the most beloved games were multiplat.

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#44 GrenadeLauncher
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OP mate why are you so upset?

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@charizard1605: While I understand what you mean. But at first Mass Effect was just an exclusive up till ME2 and that was when EA bought Bioware if memory serves me right.

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#46 deactivated-5cd08b1605da1
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@cinematicgalore said:
@Vatusus said:

And idiots keep forgetting Infamous SS an 8/10 game

Oh, and recently Until Dawn, also an 8/10 game

hey, you're counting crackdown and shadowrun on the 360s side so its only fair these two count aswell

so yeah... nice try lem

Crackdown and Shadowrun are far better than Infamous: Second Shit and Until Yawn

Shut up lem

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#47 CinematicGalore
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@Vatusus said:
@cinematicgalore said:
@Vatusus said:

And idiots keep forgetting Infamous SS an 8/10 game

Oh, and recently Until Dawn, also an 8/10 game

hey, you're counting crackdown and shadowrun on the 360s side so its only fair these two count aswell

so yeah... nice try lem

Crackdown and Shadowrun are far better than Infamous: Second Shit and Until Yawn

Shut up lem

Are you crying lol

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#48 MonsieurX
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@cinematicgalore said:

PS2 in its second year (2002) had Kingdom Hearts, Sly Cooper 1, Socom, R&C, The Getaway, Medal of Honor: Frontline etc.

X360 in its second year (2007) had Halo 3, Crackdown, Forza Motorsport 2, Mass Effect, Shadowrun, Bioshock, PGR4 etc.

PS4 in its second year (2015) has Bloodborne and a few remasters?

Pretty much proves Sony is coasting. They should have like five AAA games given how much they're selling.

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@charizard1605 said:
@PAL360 said:

Going my metacritic PS4 has about 400 games available right now? How many games did PS2 and 360 have in the same time frame?

By the end of 2007 (so, about three months more taken into account than PS4 has right now), Xbox 360 had 318 games listed on Metacritic.

PS2 had 248 games by the end of 2002 (so again, three months ahead of PS2).

Yeah, PS4 wins by any metric.

We're talking about exclusives, X360 and PS2 have more exclusives and better quality exclusives than the PS4.

My thread title was obviously oversight. You can't argue the above now, can you?

Well given you think the PS4 is the greatest console ever (holy shit lol), you'll probably find a way too. lol

Then I lol'd

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#49  Edited By SolidGame_basic  Online
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PS4 in 2015 has Witcher 3, MGS V, Bloodborne which have already been hailed as some of the best games ever. There's also the 2014 games like Dragon Age, Shadow of Mordor, and more. So if you think that ps2 and xbox 360 were better in their respective years then you're just trolling or really clueless.

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#50 CinematicGalore
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@SolidGame_basic said:

PS4 in 2015 has Witcher 3, MGS V, Bloodborne which have already been hailed as some of the best games ever. There's also the 2014 games like Dragon Age, Shadow of Mordor, and more. So if you think that ps2 and xbox 360 were better in their respective years then you're just trolling or really clueless.

We're talking about exclusives honey, the PS4 doesn't have many, many good ones at least.