Why is it "wrong" to want an inferior system to fail?

It's a taboo subject even here in system wars with rampant fanboyism, but isn't the principle of free market the success of good products and the rejection of bad ones?

Look, let's be real here. The Xbone is objectively inferior to the PS4. I wouldn't even call it a current-gen console. It should, therefore, fail commercially. Why would Microsoft even want to improve their next console if they still achieved sales parity with SONY's vastly superior PS4?

I don't want any product to fail on purpose because behind every product owned by a multi-billion dollar corporation are thousands of good people who get up and go to work every day and could lose their jobs. The reality is sometimes products fail no matter what, but I never root for it cause we all have to make a living and take care of our families and ourselves. Gaming isn't more important than that to me.

I kind of want to drink some orange juice, but I just brushed my teeth.

The ones who succeed make more money, and they use that money to hire people.

The perpetuation of the notion that we need competition is just a front for justifying XBox fanboyism. The underlying meaning is that we "need" XBox. Well, we don't..

There will always be competition. There's too much money to be made in gaming for there not to be (read: Bigger than Hollywood).

Steambox will make a fourth competitor in the console space.

Do we need competition? Well, yes we do, but we don't need to continuate the current climate even less. Abandoning the base of gamers that this whole giant industry has carried on its back for generations deserves a giant "**** you" from us and that is exactly what is happening. Embrace change. If even Atari and Sega can stop making consoles, so can any of the "Big Three". It's a dance that has gone on long before XBox and it will continue to do so long after.

good people that are doing a poor job? It sounds harsh, but it IS how the world works.

I figured this thread would be about the Wii-U though which is a much bigger reality.... TC is just a moron, X1 sold over 3 million already, yes its less powerful, but its successful already.

Nintendo on the other hand... its bad decisions have left us with 5 years of a terrible console and poor software sales because nobody wants the damn console.

I REALLY want them to go 3rd party on "home consoles" .... I just don't see any other way... its just stuborn and pointless.

The thing is, having equal sales no matter the circumstances is not competition. It's almost Communist-like.

Competition.... If the WIIU fails and the X1 was to fail and both companies exit the console race what do you think you'll pay for your next playstation? It's economics 101... Competition in the market helps the consumers.. Only ignorant and uneducated people want to see a console or company in an industry they love to fail.. You should want the entire industry to be successful..

It's pathetic how personal some people take the "console wars".. Why do some people get so emotionally tied up in it? Play YOUR console and YOUR games, have fun, support the industry you have fun with and stop being so dramatic

Because when Sony has more powerful system than other consoles, then everyone hates weaker hardware consoles. When Sony has weaker hardware, then people say it does not matter and only what matters is games. Funny isnt it? JUST SONY FANBOYS

lol, how stupid are you? really? There is no industry where competition does not benefit consumers. None. Zero. Monopoly create complacency and stunt growth. Competition means both companies are fighting to keep the money people have invested in them, thus benefiting their customers, and attempt to draw in new customers by offering new and exciting things. That's good for all gamers. I may not want a PS4 or think its anything special at all, but I want it to continue to do well and for Sony to survive this mountain of debt they have. By doing well it will force my console brand of choice, MS, to do more to keep my money. I win. You win. We all win.

The nerve of you mentioning fanboyism is startlingly ironic considering you are a massive PS fanboy with nothing ever remotely reasonable to say about anything non-Sony.

you are a moron, that is all.

Why is it "wrong" to want an inferior system to fail?

Nothing at all. It's Darwinism at its finest. The strongest, smartest and the most aggressive will always rule the roost, while the weak, stupid and timid will always wither away and die like the fragile fungi they are. This is the way of nature, business, and the universe as a whole.

Well MS failed at E3 and they changed their whole vision of the console. Gamers won.

Is it "wrong" that all of SW wants BFfan3 threads to fail?

That's not wrong. That's not wrong at all.

They introduced the "gamers gonna game, playa's gonna play" mantra that is still in use till this day.

Rock on wich yo bad ass brotha!

I agree that the industry needs to re focus on the gamers and what consumers want, Playstation has done a good job of that with the PS4 to this point.. But once those changes are made by lets say microsoft but they still fail.. you will be paying more for a home console..

steambox has potential, but consumers in this industry are sensitive to pricing, as seen with the demand of the PS4.. I believe a steambox solution is still too expensive right now to make a huge impact.

SONY always attempts to please their gamers. The PS3 was a clusterf*ck, but they spent $6 billion in R&D in hopes that they ended up with a 2 TF machine. It's their intention that counts. Regardless of whether Nintendo and MS left or stayed, SONY will always strive to make the best console with an affordable price.

Also, we have steamboxes.

Is it "wrong" that I touched myself in my special no, no place?

So is it safe to assume you wanted the the PS2 to fail because the Xbox was more powerful? Is it also safe to assume you wanted the PS3 to fail because virtually every multiplat from last gen was inferior on the PS3?

Also, if the X1 is soo inferior, why does Ryse look just as good as Killzone SF?

Because that "inferior" system still has the only next gen game worth playing right now.

A. The PS3 was as powerful if not moreso than the XBox360. So, this is false equivalence.

B. PS2 didn't sacrifice anything to include a DVD player. The XBox came out after the PS2 did. At a very heavy cost to MS, the XBox featured more powerful tech.

C. If you think Ryse looks better than Shadowfall, might I suggest you get professional help? Either an opthomologist or a psychiatrist. Take your pick.

That kinda sums up Next Generation.

Moo.

It's not wrong, it's just dumb that you care that much

Well, we don't need Sony for that matter either. We all saw what happened in gen 7 without comp. but I get what you're saying.

It's genius like that that makes SW worth visiting.

It's not. If it was wrong, gamers wouldn't say the things they say and SW wouldn't exist. It's human nature to like and dislike things. There's simply too many products on the market for all of them to sustain regular success.

Because some people here post from Mt. Pious

@Shewgenja:

A. Once again, virtually every multiplatform game was superior in the 360, therefor superior. A couple of Naughty Dog games doesn't trump and entire generation of superior multiplats.

B. I'm not even sure what point your trying to make about the PS2 and its DVD player. Also the 360 came out a year before the PS3 so that further negates your point above. Never the less, the Xbox was more powerful than the PS2.

C. Do I really need to link you to various sites including IGN that said Ryse was the best looking next gen launch game? I have both and let me tell you they are in even ground at bare minimum. My eyes are fine, you however might wanna get your fanboyism looked at.

Until the PS4 releases a game that is clearly better looking than anything on the X1, this extra power is IMO theoretical and nothing more than number on a piece of paper.

That being said one could argue that the ps4 is actually the inferior system for now simply because of it have a better selection of exclusive games.

LOL! such a cow...

Your description of the Xbox One is laughable at best, sad at worst. Why did you even make this thread, CowFan3?

I actually agree. I mean, right now Sony is the "good guy" so it is damn good that they are around. That being said, perhaps Valve would have picked up where everyone left off and play the "good guy" role when Steambox dropped in some kind of alternative universe.

I'm glad you actually saw what I was saying and getting at.

The issue is that calling another console "inferior" disrespects a lot of peoples opinions. To a lot of people it is not inferior, by stating "Is it wrong to want the inferior console to fail" you are essentially stating that in everyone's opinion the console is inferior, as if it has been proved by fact.

It seems to me that you are focusing only on the hardware comparison, why wouldn't you call it a current gen console? Because of slightly weaker hardware? Since when did hardware=better games? Some would argue the Xbox is superior on games alone.

It doesn't matter how much you hate the X1. I own both the PS4 and the X1, and I would say that both consoles have advantages and disadvantages.

Also you shouldn't want MS or the Xbox to fail, just don't buy one and enjoy your Sony console. Why spend so much time online building up hate and waiting for failure when you already have the console you want and should be enjoying it?

Lemming denial at its finest. PC clearly had the superior multiplats, yet you're drooling on the 360's crotch about last gen. You're calling someone else out on their fanboyism while you yourself are wrapped up tight in it yourself.

A. Not a good idea to speak in absolutes. Many games ran better on the PS3. As such, you cannot really speak on the power of the platform.

B. The XBox is still in a financial hole it never crawled out of as a result of the first XBox. Not a big deal now, but if XBone doesn't turn a profit, expect shareholders to start getting much more vocal. Even moreso, it was constructed of virtually all off-the-shelf parts. Comparing it to the PS2 in manufacturing capacity alone makes the comparison disingenuous.

C. They aren't even technically comparable. KillZone dusts Ryse in both graphics and in gameplay. If you're giving Ryse a nod for art style, then fine. I won't argue with preference, but I will break that finger you're pointing at me on the fanboyism front.

You'recompletely delusional about the dirth in power between PS4 and XBone. PS4 already did show a number of games demonstrating this point, it's called every single goddamn fucking multiplat running better on it.

@Bigboi500:

The PC still has superior multiplats so then do you want the PS4 to fail then or does that logic only work against MS?

Truth is I have both a PS4 and an X1 just like I had a PS3 and a 360. I'm not siding with either company but this ignorant, misinformed and hypocritical attack on the Xbox One all over the Internet is disgusting.

Owning more than one system doesn't make one immune from fanboyism. If you can only only see criticisms and attacks against Microsoft then you clearly have a favorite side.

We all do, so complaining about others doing it seems a bit disingenuous.

@shawn30:

You hit the nail on the head. I agree 100%

I own both systems and I want both to have massive success. I plan on my PS4 to be my "Exclusives" console for the most part as I personally have much more faith in Sony's stable of developers to bring forward true "Next Gen" content. However, with the reality that XBL is still and probably always will be superior to PSN as far as online gaming goes, the bulk of my time with the CoD's, Titanfalls, Halo's and other competitive shooters and online games will be spent on the XBOX ONE! MS will address the download issues that have plagued the X1 since launch with firmware updates.

So as I said, I have two horses in this race and I want them both to be successful to ensure the quality of gaming for years to come!

I take it in terms of power right? It should fail because is less powerful.

PS2 should have failed back then. It was by far the weakest of the three yet for some strange reasons I had a lot of fun with it.

It's up to the market to decide what should fail and what shouldn't. Don't worry, if it's truly as worthless as you say it is then it will fail. If it doesn't fail then that means a bunch of people found value on it and you don't have to assume that only your definition of what's valuable is legit. There are plenty of products I find worthless but that sell. That just means it appeals to others for different reasons.

Why? Simple. Competition = good. Monopoly = bad.

For all of the touted PS4 superiority.. The games on it kind of suck. Competition (of which Xbox right now is the only game in town) means there has to be some drive to produce games that don't suck, because if they do, your consumer has options.

The same is true of the Xbox. For all it SHOULD be able to do, it's buggy as sin right now, and if it had no competition would be content to stay that way.

Three consoles is not exactly a flooded marketplace (especially with one of them tanking).

Putting words in my mouth. Perhaps you should go back and actually read the post. Turn down the volume on the "Shewgenja made a post that doesn't like XBox! MAN THE BATTLE STATIONS" knee-jerk reactionary fanboyism and try to understand what is being said before commenting.

Kingtito managed to understand.

Of course, you will need to deal with the uncomfortable reality that you will need to state a case for Microsoft playing the good-guy card in some other generation rather than the typical blanket defense for the sake of all things XBox and XBone to even try to come at me with the fanboy card in your own right.

I like how cows (and lets be honest you know its mainly you) scream for all other competition to burn in hell but act like someone has shot the president and asked for the all of mankind to die and that they hate the idea of gaming itself when they suggest that they don't like sony. lol

I think it's funny that Lemmings (and we all know who they are, honestly) can say things like "But the competition makes things better" while ignoring that the Steambox is on its way and could make things better. Nintendo rode in on a glorious white pony back in the 80's when everything DID go to shit when Atari was running things single-handedly. Right now Sony IS playing the good guy for all intents and purposes when it comes to the core gamer and.. last but certainly not the least.. MS and its fanboys are looking like the bad guys because of their actions the past year.

Hey, want to trumpet the virtues of competition and improvement? Start owning the mistakes and realize you guys are on the wrong side of history right now.. Then state a case for MS coming back around with another console and actually doing the right thing with it. Otherwise? By all means, keep up the blanket statements and anti-Sony diatribes. It really seems to be going somewhere. When it comes to the XBox One, you guys are going to have to chalk this one up to the game. MS architected this thing for failure and it's going to be a long generation..

Lems can lie to all of us and come up with spin statements all they want, but they can't lie to themselves. We all know the score.

Because power doesn't make à console any better

Well sony isn't anti-consumer, they would never do anything evil. right?

Oh right. The trickle down theory of economics hasn't worked yet. I don't think its "wrong" to want something to fail, per se. But it just seems so fvckin childish. You don't like it, don't buy it, but then sitting there and rooting for its downfall is a bit of an immature waist of energy, imo.

Ms fixed the majority of the mistakes they made in the last year or so.They aren't some perfect angle and sony isn't either, but MS will be a viable competitor this gen and the xbox one will be far from a failure.

dont argue with lems dude, u cant defeat them with logic. ive made several threads to a similar topic such as this explaining how sales parity has nothing to do with competition and demonstrated how sony, irrespective of their position in the market, always produce good games while m$ were content with their position mid last gen therefore abandoned the core gamer to chase the casuals. by purchasing a x1 u are supporting the concept of inferior hardware, in addition to forced purchase (kinect) ,being sold at a greater price than its superior competitor, a step im not willing to take.

consumers have the ultimate power in the free market, dont buy mediocre products, you are only encouraging more.

well sony and nintendo products entail significant nostalgia for many, i will always be a sony/nintendo fan though i may not like certain products (ie. ps3 was stupid for most of last gen and wii motion controls are a joke) but damn it i still like the company

@Shewgenja:

IGN said Ryse was the best looking next gen title. IGN trumps you, plus it's not good to speak in absolutes, member?

I thought it was common knowledge that 360 multiplats were almost always better. The only titles I remember being better on the PS3 was Darksiders and Assasins Creed 1. Might wanna research that one and find out your wrong.

I would've guessed that the fact that I spent almost $600 on a PS4, KZ, Knack, BF4 and AC Black Flag qualified me for unbiased status.

Your delusion is startling. The entire point of my post was in reply to your statement about competition. You simply do not want MS in gaming and hey, its your opinion and your right. But for me the competition aspect of both companies doing well spurs them on to fight tooth and nail for our money, benefiting fans of both. There is no arguing competition as a bad thing in an rational sense. If you were able to even for a second turn down your Xbox//MS hate and look at things as a gamer instead of Sony's cabana boy you might see that no matter who wins the system wars in terms of sales, the competition itself benefits us all. We've seen arrogant Sony and arrogant MS and no one wants to see that. Its amazing how you whitewash every misstep Sony has made, but when MS does its the unforgivable sin and impending doom of the One console despite it being available in only 13 countries for 2 months time.

Your arguments to the contrary are silly at best.

There is no blanket defense for everything MS has done. Far from it. MS had made a ton of errors, but this latest one is dumb, lasted 2 days in total, and ended on Jan 16, 5 days ago. Sorry, it just isn't a big deal and once they release a press release it'll be over in a few days. Its not ongoing. It won't start again cause people will report it. Big corporations do dumb shit, like Sony putting malware on their own devices years ago. People bitched them out, forced them to fess up, time passed and they released new devices... no ones really buying them, lol, but not cause of the past. Same for MS. Give them shit all day and express why what they did is wrong. I agree with that. But don't act like this is the end of the freaking world. It'll be a hot topic for week and then be over. Only your obvious Sony bias will continue to fan the flames.