Why is Killzone 2 critisized for story whereas Gears 1 wasn't?

And by story, i mean presentation of story. Nobody cares if the foundation of the story was good. If it wasn't presented well during the game, the story is considered under-delivered.

Now by that definition, Gears 1 almost had next to no story. Apart from intuitively guessing that your planet has been rampage by some alien race known as the locust, the game did little to let you know about what happened in the past or what you are intended to do. You ultimate mission was to sabotage the locust tunnels. The game did very little to even elaborate from the start how you could achieve that and how the resonator could help you achieve that. Failing that eventually, you were tasked to go back to Adam Fenix's house to retrieve some old tunnel schematics. Why did Adam Fenix even have it in the first place? What was Marcus's history with his father? From the way Hoffman knew Marcus's father instantly, it was obvious that Adam Fenix had an important role in the story. Was it ever elaborated? No. Was it ever critisized in the review? No.

As a result the entire Gears 1 was basically a chase for something you were not entirely clear of the first playthrough. "Lightmass Bomb?? WTF is that?" Was it critisized in the review? No.

Now Killzone 2 became a victim of hype for being scrutinized for everything other games were not subjected to. Let's be clear, Killzone 2, like Gears, had a good foundation of story, and the portion of the story during the game had rather simple themes. For Gears 1, it was sabotaging the tunnels. For Killzone 2, it was taking in Visari - which pretty much makes sense considering the invasion and all that. But i feel Killzone 2 did a much better job in making it clear from the start what your primary motivation is, though a slight detour after realizing the Helghan had too good a defense for an effective invasion. The cutscenes did a good job in letting you understand that. Unlike the resonator....which didn't work for god knows why, and makes you wonder why there wasn't some brilliant scientist who could anticipate that in the first place.

Ultimately, Killzone 2 succeeded in sticking to it's primary motivation, and at least i didn't go like "wut??" during the game not knowing what my mission is. What do you guys think?

Oh please. Stop the whining.

Cows bashed Gears1 for everything, including story.

I criticized the crap out of Gears 1 >_> And moreso for the craptastic Dom's wife craptastic crapgasm of a story in Gears 2.Jandurin

lol... If I heard Dom cry about his wife just one more time in that game, I was ready to destroy my Gears 2 disc... Good game, awful sub-plot

We are in a vacuum of space and time, known only as System Wars. :|

Hmm, your level would indicate you being here for quite some time and I can't hardly believe you if saying Gears wasn't severely criticized for a shallow story. Seriously, unless you just didn't ever visit threads about Gears in 2006/2007 ?

But Mario Galaxy got less criticism :PMaster-Thief-09

About time somebody said something about that..dr_octagon

Erm, were you away on holiday the past 2 years? It was the main criticism with the game

Are you kidding? Everyone criticized Gears 1's story. :|

Where have you been? Gears got a lot of criticism for that. Nowone comments it anymore because -duh- it is a two years game >_>IronBass

I knew that the main gripe for Gears 1 was the story, but let's be honest. It wasn't a main highlight in reviews. And people didn't create loads of threads bashing the story like how Killzone 2 was. The criticism was mainly in the Gears boards among players themselves, nothing more.

im pretty sure tc is talking more about reviews then fanboys on system wars.

im pretty sure tc is talking more about reviews then fanboys on system wars.

BTBAM127

And people didn't create loads of threads bashing the story like how Killzone 2 was. jhcho2

[QUOTE="IronBass"]Where have you been? Gears got a lot of criticism for that. Nowone comments it anymore because -duh- it is a two years game >_>jhcho2

I knew that the main gripe for Gears 1 was the story, but let's be honest. It wasn't a main highlight in reviews. And people didn't create loads of threads bashing the story like how Killzone 2 was. The criticism was mainly in the Gears boards among players themselves, nothing more.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]Where have you been? Gears got a lot of criticism for that. Nowone comments it anymore because -duh- it is a two years game >_>jhcho2

I knew that the main gripe for Gears 1 was the story, but let's be honest. It wasn't a main highlight in reviews. And people didn't create loads of threads bashing the story like how Killzone 2 was. The criticism was mainly in the Gears boards among players themselves, nothing more.

Killzone takes itself far too seriously. Gears is silly, and it knows it.karriston

[QUOTE="dr_octagon"]About time somebody said something about that..IronBass

[QUOTE="karriston"]Killzone takes itself far too seriously. Gears is silly, and it knows it.lhughey

I haven't played gears enough to judge it's story, but I do know that KZ2 is weak when it comes to plot.

It's a shame though, they could really make the Helghast interesting.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="dr_octagon"]About time somebody said something about that..dr_octagon

gears 1 was so amazing that most people forgot to crticize the bad stuff about it

because glass rain is so awesome:lol:killzowned24

And by story, i mean presentation of story. Nobody cares if the foundation of the story was good. If it wasn't presented well during the game, the story is considered under-delivered.

Now by that definition, Gears 1 almost had next to no story. Apart from intuitively guessing that your planet has been rampage by some alien race known as the locust, the game did little to let you know about what happened in the past or what you are intended to do. You ultimate mission was to sabotage the locust tunnels. The game did very little to even elaborate from the start how you could achieve that and how the resonator could help you achieve that. Failing that eventually, you were tasked to go back to Adam Fenix's house to retrieve some old tunnel schematics. Why did Adam Fenix even have it in the first place? What was Marcus's history with his father? From the way Hoffman knew Marcus's father instantly, it was obvious that Adam Fenix had an important role in the story. Was it ever elaborated? No. Was it ever critisized in the review? No.

As a result the entire Gears 1 was basically a chase for something you were not entirely clear of the first playthrough. "Lightmass Bomb?? WTF is that?" Was it critisized in the review? No.

Now Killzone 2 became a victim of hype for being scrutinized for everything other games were not subjected to. Let's be clear, Killzone 2, like Gears, had a good foundation of story, and the portion of the story during the game had rather simple themes. For Gears 1, it was sabotaging the tunnels. For Killzone 2, it was taking in Visari - which pretty much makes sense considering the invasion and all that. But i feel Killzone 2 did a much better job in making it clear from the start what your primary motivation is, though a slight detour after realizing the Helghan had too good a defense for an effective invasion. The cutscenes did a good job in letting you understand that. Unlike the resonator....which didn't work for god knows why, and makes you wonder why there wasn't some brilliant scientist who could anticipate that in the first place.

Ultimately, Killzone 2 succeeded in sticking to it's primary motivation, and at least i didn't go like "wut??" during the game not knowing what my mission is. What do you guys think?

jhcho2

Bashing a game you haven't played yet? Oh that's right, this is SW.dr_octagon

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]because glass rain is so awesome:lol:doobie1975

Without the glowing red helghast eyes it would be far too dificult to play.

And they aren't "Easy targets", they try to avoid being shot just as much as you are.

Yeah I'd say Gears is in the same league as Killzone when it comes to having a crappy story that you just don't care about. However I'll Killzone the edge for having obnoxiously bad dialog to boot. :D

1 - Gears was critisized on every department (story, gameplay and even graphics)

2 - Killzone2 is the most praised game arround SW. (like 50 "KZ2 is the best" threads every day)

3 - Go play your game and stop crying. Im sure its and awesome game

Why did Adam Fenix even have it in the first place? What was Marcus's history with his father? From the way Hoffman knew Marcus's father instantly, it was obvious that Adam Fenix had an important role in the story. Was it ever elaborated? No. Was it ever critisized in the review? No.

jhcho2

[QUOTE="dr_octagon"]Bashing a game you haven't played yet? Oh that's right, this is SW.Jandurin

well in gears YOU are the invaders who invade sera. the locust are fighting to get their planet back from the humans. the humans are the bad guys doobie1975

You haven't played Killzone 2 have you? You think the ISA went to Helghan for a vacation?

Wow, that was blatantly obnoxious.dr_octagon

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

Why did Adam Fenix even have it in the first place? What was Marcus's history with his father? From the way Hoffman knew Marcus's father instantly, it was obvious that Adam Fenix had an important role in the story. Was it ever elaborated? No. Was it ever critisized in the review? No.

nethernova

Well, a trilogy or a potential elaboration in the future doesn't mean that you can leave it hanging. Darth Vader was different. Nobody knew he was luke's father till the enpire strikes back. Before that, there wasn't a hint. The worse is giving a hint and not elaborating.

[QUOTE="dr_octagon"]Wow, that was blatantly obnoxious.Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="dr_octagon"]Wow, that was blatantly obnoxious.dr_octagon