Why is Killzone 3's story "horrible"?

Let me just ask, because I know it's not Shakespeare, but how is Killzone 3's story really THAT bad? I dont understand the hate, because the story seems on par with most games that come out in my opinion.

I'm not defending it saying that the story is truly amazing or a step forward anything... but seems to me that GG made a simple, straight forward story to carry the game along without straying too far into "GeOW2 Dom Crying" territory. I just dont understand why people say the story was so bad... they fixed the meat head dialogue for the most part, toned down Rico's douchness, and eliminated the other horrible cast of characters, and actually gave you a better story than "go here, kill these guys, keep going" like the first.

What do you think?

Its average like the COD and gears stories. So why GS hated the story so much but loved COD story is beyond me.

I wouldn't say that it was bad, but considering how they delved into Helghast society, they really let go of something that could have been great. Plus...

[spoiler] ...with what happened during the ending, it felt extremely rushed and didn't really explain how the entire planet was decimated from just a single exploding ship. [/spoiler]

It's not. Just play the game and enjoy it. Don't worry about what other people say.SoraX64

Let me just ask, because I know it's not Shakespeare, but how is Killzone 3's story really THAT bad? I dont understand the hate, because the story seems on par with most games that come out in my opinion.

I'm not defending it saying that the story is truly amazing or a step forward anything... but seems to me that GG made a simple, straight forward story to carry the game along without straying too far into "GeOW2 Dom Crying" territory. I just dont understand why people say the story was so bad... they fixed the meat head dialogue for the most part, toned down Rico's douchness, and eliminated the other horrible cast of characters, and actually gave you a better story than "go here, kill these guys, keep going" like the first.

What do you think?

BedBugMan

I don't know about KZ3's story, but I have never played a game with a truly good story in its own right. Even stuff like Half-Life or BioShock are B-movie at best. So I don't really see the point of criticizing a game for having a bad story, personally. Unless it really was that bad, but a bad story has never stopped a game with good gameplay from, y'know, being good.

Crappy cringe worthy dialog that makes me sick and some(read some) of it is near Perfect Dark Zero level. "Look who decided to go for a swim." That sounds so bad I'm surprised it made it to the game, hire some better writers next time, wow that's bad even for FPS story standards.

Otherwise it seems like any other game, though Killzone 1 still had the best story in the series.

Let me just ask, because I know it's not Shakespeare, but how is Killzone 3's story really THAT bad? I dont understand the hate, because the story seems on par with most games that come out in my opinion.

I'm not defending it saying that the story is truly amazing or a step forward anything... but seems to me that GG made a simple, straight forward story to carry the game along without straying too far into "GeOW2 Dom Crying" territory. I just dont understand why people say the story was so bad... they fixed the meat head dialogue for the most part, toned down Rico's douchness, and eliminated the other horrible cast of characters, and actually gave you a better story than "go here, kill these guys, keep going" like the first.

What do you think?

[QUOTE="SoraX64"]It's not. Just play the game and enjoy it. Don't worry about what other people say.BedBugMan

Crappy cringe worthy dialog that makes me sick and some(read some) of it is near Perfect Dark Zero level. "Look who decided to go for a swim." That sounds so bad I'm surprised it made it to the game, hire some better writers next time, wow that's bad even for FPS story standards.

Otherwise it seems like any other game, though Killzone 1 still had the best story in the series.

mitu123

Ha, yeah, that was so bad. But at least Rico wasn't as terribly annoying as before, although Sev is about as lifeless and cliche a protagonist as they come.

Let me just ask, because I know it's not Shakespeare, but how is Killzone 3's story really THAT bad? I dont understand the hate, because the story seems on par with most games that come out in my opinion.

I'm not defending it saying that the story is truly amazing or a step forward anything... but seems to me that GG made a simple, straight forward story to carry the game along without straying too far into "GeOW2 Dom Crying" territory. I just dont understand why people say the story was so bad... they fixed the meat head dialogue for the most part, toned down Rico's douchness, and eliminated the other horrible cast of characters, and actually gave you a better story than "go here, kill these guys, keep going" like the first.

What do you think?

Im just amazed that so many people criticize KZ's story but somehow MW2 gets a free pass for having the WORST PLOT OF ALL TIME!

Because it takes too much time trying to make you care for the most horrible walking cliches ever introduced in a video game. I'm talking about all the scenes in the War-Room. Complete waste of time with some of the worst characters ever written.GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Crappy cringe worthy dialog that makes me sick and some(read some) of it is near Perfect Dark Zero level. "Look who decided to go for a swim." That sounds so bad I'm surprised it made it to the game, hire some better writers next time, wow that's bad even for FPS story standards.

Otherwise it seems like any other game, though Killzone 1 still had the best story in the series.

Basinboy

Ha, yeah, that was so bad. But at least Rico wasn't as terribly annoying as before, although Sev is about as lifeless and cliche a protagonist as they come.

Crappy cringe worthy dialog that makes me sick and some(read some) of it is near Perfect Dark Zero level. "Look who decided to go for a swim." That sounds so bad I'm surprised it made it to the game, hire some better writers next time, wow that's bad even for FPS story standards.

Otherwise it seems like any other game, though Killzone 1 still had the best story in the series.

mitu123

[QUOTE="Basinboy"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Crappy cringe worthy dialog that makes me sick and some(read some) of it is near Perfect Dark Zero level. "Look who decided to go for a swim." That sounds so bad I'm surprised it made it to the game, hire some better writers next time, wow that's bad even for FPS story standards.

Otherwise it seems like any other game, though Killzone 1 still had the best story in the series.

mitu123

Ha, yeah, that was so bad. But at least Rico wasn't as terribly annoying as before, although Sev is about as lifeless and cliche a protagonist as they come.

I wouldn't say the story was horrible, despit GS's terrible review. It's amazing how COD gets so much credit for it's story when Killzone 3 has a much better campaign. Although I do agree that the ending felt a bit rushed. Other than that it was a solid game. 9/10.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Crappy cringe worthy dialog that makes me sick and some(read some) of it is near Perfect Dark Zero level. "Look who decided to go for a swim." That sounds so bad I'm surprised it made it to the game, hire some better writers next time, wow that's bad even for FPS story standards.

Otherwise it seems like any other game, though Killzone 1 still had the best story in the series.

BedBugMan

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Basinboy"]

Ha, yeah, that was so bad. But at least Rico wasn't as terribly annoying as before, although Sev is about as lifeless and cliche a protagonist as they come.

BedBugMan

[QUOTE="BedBugMan"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Well, that's the best thing about him.:P He's more like Killzone 1 Rico who was actually helpful and didn't make me mad at his stupid reactions to certain situations.

mitu123

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"][QUOTE="shadi2020"] all the fps storys are average at best i have never played a fps game that makes me love the story except DOOM3shadi2020

It was a nice, old-school game I guess. But it had the same story as the first Doom. :P To each their own though man. I take it you're looking forward to Rage then though? That game looks awesome!

I'm almost done with the campaign, and at this point, I think I can say that the story feels tacked on.

Sure, some games do the same thing, but do a much better job of meshing the pacing of the plot and story together. Killzone 3 was very transparent. I can totally see where they had a great set piece and scrambled to slap some story progression behind it.

I can also see that they were working on a great setup, but it became painfully obvious that they ran out of time near the end. I mean, how else could a rag tag group of ISA stragglers whose main fighting force had already pulled out, could launch a full fontal assault on Stahl? It didn' fit. The battles were great, but looking back, it left me scratching my head....

Half way through, I could see through the Matrix and see it for what it was. "Well this is where they're going to throw a whole bunch of guys at me as I make it up this incline." And it happened. "This would be a great place for them for a tank to...." And along comes a tank, as if on queue. "I just complete a major objective. They'll be coming through THAT door in a second." Lo and behold, here they come.

Any sense of tension building anticipation is gone, leaving a just the action, while intense, left the story pacing flat.

It was basically like a big ol' Nazi shoot 'em up in Space with you - the gung ho soldier, a sassy chick, and a token bigmouth minority sidekick against the evil white men who you end up killing with a nuke that just comes out of nowhere.ravenhost91

Ok. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought they were unabashed stereotypes...no, not even that. They were caricatures.

We have Stalin with a scar and buzzcut in league with a Hitler doppleganger. The similarities, although cosmetic, was a little distracting.

I almost enjoyed Killzone 2 more. At least it didn't pretend to be any deeper than it was.

I almost enjoyed Killzone 2 more. At least it didn't pretend to be any deeper than it was.

VoodooHak

I actually enjoyed the story more than KZ2 thought the ending was worst. It really had more of an epic feel(took some inspirations from star wars for sure) and layed outan interestingpower struggleon the evil side. I agree the characters on the ISA could have been fleshed out a little bit more and some of the lines toned down but overall it was enjoyable and a better ride than the second. I guess I just loved no allways being in dark corridors like KZ2 with horrible controls.

The story in Killzone 2 didn't bother me. It wasn't good by any means, but I ended up loving Radec and Visari as villains. The only thing I hated in that game was Rico and to a lesser extent Natko.

But the story in Killzone 3 was just painful. The two lead villains were straight up pathetic, and their constant bickering didn't help. I understand the style and culture of the Helghast is based on Nazi design which is fine, it leads to a good enemy to fight. Giving half the people on the Helghast council Hitler mustaches is not a good thing, however. It was so lacking, and never fleshed out. The ending was stupid, the speeches by the ISA were all the same (Seriously, Snow constantly pronouncing how he's a hero in Final Fantasy XIII was better), and it just felt silly.

With that said, the campaign was better and more enjoyable to play than Killzone 2. The story sucked but it isn't too worse than other stories (Call of Duty being noteworthy here).

[QUOTE="shadi2020"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"] Doom 3 has a story? I don't know about that one man..... :PNeonNinja

It was a nice, old-school game I guess. But it had the same story as the first Doom. :P To each their own though man. I take it you're looking forward to Rage then though? That game looks awesome!

I won't argue that the basic concept is the same, but believe it or not there are a crap load of differences between Doom 3 and the original :P

Let me just ask, because I know it's not Shakespeare, but how is Killzone 3's story really THAT bad? I dont understand the hate, because the story seems on par with most games that come out in my opinion.

I'm not defending it saying that the story is truly amazing or a step forward anything... but seems to me that GG made a simple, straight forward story to carry the game along without straying too far into "GeOW2 Dom Crying" territory. I just dont understand why people say the story was so bad... they fixed the meat head dialogue for the most part, toned down Rico's douchness, and eliminated the other horrible cast of characters, and actually gave you a better story than "go here, kill these guys, keep going" like the first.

What do you think?

BedBugMan

stories dont have to be some kind of masterpiece.

I was thinking the same thing when I finished the game. The story isn't great, but it's not near as bad as reviewers made it out to be. The action is top notch to.

[QUOTE="shadi2020"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"] Doom 3 has a story? I don't know about that one man..... :PNeonNinja

It was a nice, old-school game I guess. But it had the same story as the first Doom. :P To each their own though man. I take it you're looking forward to Rage then though? That game looks awesome!

I think it has more to do with how it was presented. Some of that was bad I thought. I thought the story could have been pretty interesting, I like where Killzone was trying to go. It's just the presentation was kinda bad. But that's my opinion.

because the reviewer, Kevin V, hates everything that isn't Asassin's Creed. he gave AC1 (an awful game) a 9.0 and AC2 a 9.0. heck, he gave AC: Brotherhood an 8.5 , a game that no one talks about now. he even got an AC tattoo.

he said "story is awful".

really? awful = Bayonetta, Borderlands, Just Cause 2, Prototype, Resonance of Fate. those are what i call awful.

Killzone 3's story may be generic, but in no way awful.

GS, please hire a better reviewer. thanks.

I have not played the game myself, but what I took from the review was that the story was just sub-par but not horrible. The nasty part was that it rubbed it in your face with cut scenes at bad times and the like.

because the reviewer, Kevin V, hates everything that isn't Asassin's Creed. he gave AC1 (an awful game) a 9.0 and AC2 a 9.0. heck, he gave AC: Brotherhood an 8.5 , a game that no one talks about now. he even got an AC tattoo.

he said "story is awful".

really? awful = Bayonetta, Borderlands, Just Cause 2, Prototype, Resonance of Fate. those are what i call awful.

Killzone 3's story may be generic, but in no way awful.

GS, please hire a better reviewer. thanks.

rawr89

because the reviewer, Kevin V, hates everything that isn't Asassin's Creed. he gave AC1 (an awful game) a 9.0 and AC2 a 9.0. heck, he gave AC: Brotherhood an 8.5 , a game that no one talks about now. he even got an AC tattoo.

he said "story is awful".

really? awful = Bayonetta, Borderlands, Just Cause 2, Prototype, Resonance of Fate. those are what i call awful.

Killzone 3's story may be generic, but in no way awful.

GS, please hire a better reviewer. thanks.

rawr89

He was the person who also gave MGS4 a 10...

When some people can't find anything about a game that is bad, they will take the worst thing about it, even if it's not that bad, and blow it way out of proportion.

Was just a reviewer that went into the game wanting to hate it. There have been reviewers that actually classified the story as Excellent (Zeitgeist GR is an example).

Just another review that is kept as an example of one console's exclusives having to live to higher standards than other games.

I do agree that the ending was slightly abrupt, but that hardly is a negative point towards the story. At least it kept a thread of continuity for a possible sequel without compromising the ending to this game, which a lot of games do.

I don't get it either, considering it's a shooter. Clearly they put more effort than many other games with similar hype and budget. All in all the story turned out pretty good. Like you said, it's not an oscar winning screenplay, but for a video game it was definitely at least average, and for a SHOOTER it was probably way ABOVE average.

BTW 8.5 is a good score, but if on the same scale you are giving Black Ops a 9.0 and Modern Warfare 2 a 9.5 and NOT calling out the story on those games then something is wrong. They are basically the same thing, only much less polished than KZ3.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

I almost enjoyed Killzone 2 more. At least it didn't pretend to be any deeper than it was.

BedBugMan

I think it did cross that line. The cutscenes with the Helghast leaders were overdone while those with the ISA were pretty meager in comparison. It was a jarring imbalance that left the presentation feeling a bit lopsided. If they had more time, I'm sure GG could have gotten deeper into it. But as it is, it feels like unfulfilled ambition.

KZ2's felt just right.

Let me just ask, because I know it's not Shakespeare, but how is Killzone 3's story really THAT bad? I dont understand the hate, because the story seems on par with most games that come out in my opinion.

I'm not defending it saying that the story is truly amazing or a step forward anything... but seems to me that GG made a simple, straight forward story to carry the game along without straying too far into "GeOW2 Dom Crying" territory. I just dont understand why people say the story was so bad... they fixed the meat head dialogue for the most part, toned down Rico's douchness, and eliminated the other horrible cast of characters, and actually gave you a better story than "go here, kill these guys, keep going" like the first.

What do you think?

BedBugMan

Killzone and Resistance are great, Halo fanboys squeal. It's annoying but it's something you just have to deal with.

I don't get it either, considering it's a shooter. Clearly they put more effort than many other games with similar hype and budget. All in all the story turned out pretty good. Like you said, it's not an oscar winning screenplay, but for a video game it was definitely at least average, and for a SHOOTER it was probably way ABOVE average.

BTW 8.5 is a good score, but if on the same scale you are giving Black Ops a 9.0 and Modern Warfare 2 a 9.5 and NOT calling out the story on those games then something is wrong. They are basically the same thing, only much less polished than KZ3.

2Chalupas

Call of Doodie is garbage! Killzone and Resistance destroy it.