Why is Kingdom Come Deliverance being underestimated?

Chivalry sold over 1.2 million copies in 9 months how is that not great?

Mount & Blade franchise sold 6 million total 3 years ago too...

I wasn't sure of the exact statistic, but I knew it wasn't objectively bad, especially given that it doesn't have AAA production values or content. What console gamers consider "niche" markets are actually quite lucrative to developers that aren't being pressured by investors to maximize profits in as little time as possible.

since it shows up on my public steam profile, I think I'm allowed to say I have been playing this since Wednesday. I'll say that so far I'm enjoying it, and that I think it will be extremely divisive in its reception. its pretty unique.

I can say more on the 13th

Indeed. I wish AAA devs would get this message; we don't need the pay Josh Duhamel a few millions dollars for a few minutes of voice acting when that money could be better spent elsewhere. Oh yeah, and superbowl adds cost about 300 million per minute, remember that next time you see a video game advertised.

I guess what I am saying is I wish more mainstream developers took a less-is-more attitude like independent and smaller developers and publishers do.

The developers of Monster Hunter World had said they were looking for long term sales that build up over time instead of short term sales that immediately fall off after the first month or two and holiday season. This is a good but I'm guessing this is mainly because of most of Capcom's recent games flopping which has humbled them.

It's strange that The Witcher 3 is not on sale on GOG.

I guess it's a combination of factors. New IP, made by an unknown studio. The creator being, let's say, a controversial figure, which means a lot of the media will keep coverage to a minimum and forums like Resetera won't allow discussions without huge disclaimers. Also the subject matter: 15th century Bohemia being kind of niche. Then of course we have the combat gameplay which looks a bit meh-ish at times.

Despite these things I think the overall games seems unique and very interesting. I like the ambition by the studio and this really seems like a true passion project. So I will probably get it.

They have to fix that wobbly camera. No one wants the type of "immersion" that means every action causes your camera wobble and pan 90 degrees or that you frequently lose control of your character. The obscured view from using a face-shield doesn't look "fun" either. I understand if they want some sort of effect to imply a disadvantage to certain armor types, but they should scale it back a bit.

Honestly, I've barely heard of this game, and I'm an indie-loving PC games and Kickstarter addict. I'm guessing the marketing is all wrong for this one - there's no exposure and not much word-of-mouth.

I actually thought this was just another generic low-budget medieval multiplayer game, based on the poster and images I saw.

After reading your description, the concept sounds great. It's nothing new - each of those elements has been done before - but I guess the combination of RPG and sim has rarely been done on this ambitious scale.

Still...concept is one thing, execution is another. There are 20 mediocre euro RPGs for every The Witcher 3, and the PC market is flooded with bland sims. Sims are particularly difficult to balance and make 'fun'.

I suspect this one might be in the solid 6/10 range - unpolished, inpenetrable, and maybe a hell of a lot of fun for a niche audience.

Hopefully I'm wrong, but there's more of a chance of this being The Guild 3 than Mount and Blade.

I am a PC gamer.

Where is the hype thread, it's out tomorrow and it looks so cool! I hope it's at least an 8.

It's partially to do with having been boycotted by games journalism for ideological reasons. For that reason alone, I expect a sub-6 rating. The game's flaws will not be overlooked as they typically are with AAA titles because games journos only do this when there is an incentive to do so.

It isn't being marketed well either. But tbh, in <current year> bad marketing is as simple as not pumping millions of dollars into at least 2 cinematic pre-release trailers and stamping every gaming website with an animated banner and/or backdrop. It's difficult for intermediate publishers to enter the AAA market by design. If they were Ubisoft the game would be hyped as a "Next Gen Skyrim" by several media outlets by now.

The biggest question mark is with the game's "story telling". I'm not sure if it wants to be story and character driven in the way that Witcher 3 was, if it wants to be less player-centric like Skyrim, or if it want's to be a sandbox experience. It could also be like Fallout 4, where the player-centric narrative ruins the game.

I've seen some gameplay and the game does look interesting. Its realistic approach to the medieval setting, the ability to tackle objectives in a variety of ways and the character customization offer a fresh experience compared to most RPGs I've played. I'm not a huge fan of its combat but after a bit of getting used to it, I would expect to get along with it just fine. Despite all its strong points though, KCD has the potential for mediocrity so I'll wait for reviews and hands on impressions before shaping an opinion.

@texasgoldrush: it is very much on my radar. Was listening to podcasts lazt week and only two gamers were hyped for it. I think this could be a real gem.

31.7 GB download size. Why is it not compressed?

I'm betting 5-7 in scores.

It looks great but the combat looks wonky, a few streams on twitch atm

@mrbojangles25: 300Million per minute? Slow down there buddy.

what? You don't think a 1.5 minute Superbowl commercial cost close to a half-billion dollars?

Whoops turns out it is still high, but more like 5 million dollars for a 30-second ad.

Still a waste of money.

The combat is what honestly turns me off the most. The game looks great and I definitely would like to give it a try but the combat and the way the camera moves; it's meh. Everything else looks awesome though. I'm waiting to see some reviews on the combat and worst comes to worst I could always refund it through Steam.

just got the game, but can't play it yet :(
There is a 25.878 GB day one update that has to be downloaded

Hopefully the day one patch shuts off any day one reviews, as any potential review copy won't reflect the released game.

I have been following this game loosely for awhile. I really don't know whether it's going to be awesome or if it will suck. Jury is out for me. But im definitely interested.

2GB left. I'll be able to play it afterwards.

@texasgoldrush: I've read a review that says the Day 1 patched version still feels like an alpha.

That's probably a massive exaggeration, but all of the reviews so far mention technical issues aplenty.

That shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone who plays games. Not many big games are released without technical issues, especially when it's from a small developer. Hopefully they can fix the worst issues over the coming days/weeks.

They seem to be playing the non patched version.

@texasgoldrush: Nope. Even the patched version runs like shit.

The patch landed after they received their review copies.

Overall, the reviewers do seem to like the game, with some calling it a classic, outside the bugs.

See, this is why Mount and Blade 2 still doesn't have a release date

****, now that made me sad.

Got my copy, but I'm playing DW9 first.

The reviews have been very mix as game is very buggy and glitchy. i was hoping this could be RPG having good gameplay. i guess i was wrong.

RPG games in general tend to have mediocre gameplay.

The main point of contention seems to be bugs.

If this was a Bethesda title they would mostly just add personality.

@uninspiredcup said:

The main point of contention seems to be bugs.

If this was a Bethesda title they would mostly just add personality.

i remember when Stalker was criticize for being buggy but Fallout and elder scrolls are not.

@ghosts4ever: RPGs offer the worst paramilitary fps gameplay. I agree. Good thing they can offer good RPG gameplay

hmmm... I think I will get it this weekend.

Their budget was super low for a game of this scale. It's only a fraction of what say Skyrim had.

The whole development seems to be mainly driven just from their passion for the game.

From what I've seen, it's a really immersive game, and given that I love games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R and Mount and Blade, it seems up my alley.

So skimming through some random reviews, nice to see current 75 PC metascore, some bugs apparently but I started downloading the day 1 23GB patch on the X before going to work.

Its getting decent praise overall, the game does not hold your hands apparently. I just hope the gameplay is not too complicated, I'm looking for a nice immersive story mostly and a compelling world and characters. I hope the open world stuff is not overdone.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/kingdom-come-deliverance?ref=hp

As expected, 7. Looks like an interesting game, but likely bankrupting its developer.

How do you figure?

games like this need a publisher for backing not kickstarter.

Annoying how everything has an animation.

Was looking forward to throwing shit at a house, but it was a cutscene.

Lots of good ideas but it looks kind of crappy. Maybe in a few months.

it gets way less cutscene heavy after the first 4-5 hours or so

This is what I'm thinking. I actually think it will be relatively successful in the long term once the game is stable and a community is established.

It will not be successful on consoles however, just because of the way the console market works. Console games are driven by initial sales which almost require "optimistic" (wined and dined) reviewers and/or multi million dollar pre-release marketing campaigns.

I got a early copy of this last Wednesday and have played about 25 hours

I really like the game, but its certainly buggy. I'd say on par with something like Skyrim or Fallout 4 polish wise, so largely playable, but you'll be noticing bugs pretty much every time you play. sometimes they are minor like having an object in front of a character during a conversation, but they can be as major as broken side quests.

Performance on my PC is not as good as I would have liked. I'm on a 6700k/1080/16gb of ram, and I had to drop the settings to High (below very high and ultra high) to get consistently good performance, and even then there are a couple of spots where the frame rate tanks.

I'm not at all surprised to see such divisive reviews. I think for most people who play this, it'll be either like a 9/10 or a 5/10 (if you ignore the bugs). I really dig the storytelling and the immersive qualities the game has but the pace will definitely be too slow for some. The combat is way better than it looks during gameplay. Its actually really cool, reminds me of a better and more natural version of the combat in For Honor. However, there is not much combat at all so far. Its only a small part of the experience. You will be doing a lot more talking and travelling.

I'd say unless you have a high bug tolerance and are really hungry for a slow paced RPG it would be a good idea to wait for a sale on this one, mostly so the devs have time to patch things.

Expensive game, very little advertising. This game needed to be critically acclaimed with huge word of mouth to make this studio survive. It's having neither. No way, they are making their money back.