Why is PC gaming Online Free and XBL Gold P2P Charged on 360?

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#1 A_New_Life
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Why?

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#2 jangojay
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PCs had these kind of services free for years now. Charging for one is ludicris and will not make you any money, nor will people user your software.
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#3 musicalmac  Moderator
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Because XBL =/= Steam? Just a thought.
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#4 A_New_Life
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Because XBL =/= Steam? Just a thought.musicalmac

Your absolutely right, Steam is better then XBL Gold.

Less down time too and more users.

PC gaming online is generally better in every which way.

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#5 Senor_Kami
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Steam and XBL aren't the same thing. In fact, the only "Steam-like" features of XBL are free to anyone with a console. This makes as much sense as asking, "If Jessica Alba is hot, why does McDonalds outsell Burger King 2:1?"

Fission Mailed.

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#6 Private_Vegas
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Because XBL =/= Steam? Just a thought.A_New_Life

Your absolutely right, Steam is better then XBL Gold.

Less down time too and more users.

PC gaming online is generally better in every which way.

Please don't steer everyone in that direction.

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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Because XBL =/= Steam? Just a thought.A_New_Life

Your absolutely right, Steam is better then XBL Gold.

Less down time too and more users.

PC gaming online is generally better in every which way.

Then why did you try and bring this same topic up today?

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#8 tape990
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Ok here is some pc gameing 101.

Pc online games are not free.

People pay for the servers you play on steam(css,hl2....)and its like $30 to $50 a month. If no one payed for the servers all online games would be 95% dead for there online play.


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#9 musicalmac  Moderator
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Because XBL =/= Steam? Just a thought.A_New_Life

Your absolutely right, Steam is better then XBL Gold.

Less down time too and more users.

PC gaming online is generally better in every which way.

I disagree, but I can't fault you for having an opinion.
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#11 Riverwolf007
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I warned you guys what would happen when they took down the PC beats everything sticky.
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#12 A_New_Life
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[QUOTE="A_New_Life"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Because XBL =/= Steam? Just a thought.musicalmac

Your absolutely right, Steam is better then XBL Gold.

Less down time too and more users.

PC gaming online is generally better in every which way.

I disagree, but I can't fault you for having an opinion.

PC Gaming online is superior FACT.

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#13 musicalmac  Moderator
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Paid XBL Gold Sucks balls compared to PC gaming online for free.

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Why? If you elaborate, people may take you seriously.
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#15 lawlessx
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..why is this topic being brought up everyday? if you dont like it..dont pay.
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#16 jimm895
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XBL is a way for MS to milk the consumer, granted it's not much but it's the principal of the whole thing seeing they are paid a boatload of cash for the ads on XBL.

This is why PSN and PC gaming is still a free service.

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#17 A_New_Life
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[QUOTE="A_New_Life"]

Paid XBL Gold Sucks balls compared to PC gaming online for free.

musicalmac

Why? If you elaborate, people may take you seriously.

PC online, you join a server, it works, mods, customization, Most game have decicated servers. FREE FOREVER

XBL Gold, P2P online, Down time, issues connecting to a game. No mods, 50$ A YEAR, EVERY YEAR, FOREVER.

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#18 musicalmac  Moderator
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XBL Gold, P2P online, Down time, issues connecting to a game. No mods, 50$ a year, ever year FOREVER.

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It's clear you don't understand the little nuances that make XBL appealing. If you want to look at it like that, it's your choice. I just feel it's a bad one.
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#19 EVOLV3
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PC offers everything + more then XBL for free.
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#20 A_New_Life
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[QUOTE="A_New_Life"]

XBL Gold, P2P online, Down time, issues connecting to a game. No mods, 50$ a year, ever year FOREVER.

musicalmac

It's clear you don't understand the little nuances that make XBL appealing. If you want to look at it like that, it's your choice. I just feel it's a bad one.

I've been a member of XBL since it's inception. :| on the Original Xbox

Most of the things it does are better on PC and cost 0$ :|

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#21 General909
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="A_New_Life"]

Paid XBL Gold Sucks balls compared to PC gaming online for free.

A_New_Life

Why? If you elaborate, people may take you seriously.

PC online, you join a server, it works, mods, customization, Most game have decicated servers. FREE FOREVER

XBL Gold, P2P online, Down time, issues connecting to a game. No mods, 50$ a year, ever year FOREVER.

Its not free. Why does every one think online games are free? When i was running a BF2 server it was costing me over $100 a month to run it. Yes i know that it does not cost you any thing to play in the servers but if no one paid there would be no online gameing.

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#22 Hoobinator
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Because it's MicroTransactionSoft.
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#23 musicalmac  Moderator
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I've been a member of XBL since it's inception. :| on the Original Xbox

Most of the things it does are better on PC.

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I never said you weren't. I just said you don't understand the nuances that make XBL appealing. I'm not sure what you didn't understand about my previous post, but it has nothing to do with your reply.
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#24 Senor_Kami
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[QUOTE="A_New_Life"]

Paid XBL Gold Sucks balls compared to PC gaming online for free.

musicalmac

Why? If you elaborate, people may take you seriously.

Stop stop. If you go into detail about sucking balls I will report you for a TOS violation.

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#25 Perception1
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I think it's pretty clear and quite obvious that PC is better for online. You can argue if you want, but your wasting your time.
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#26 Riverwolf007
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Sorry, I can't get rid of XBL it's what I have to use for chat in half my PS3 games.
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#27 Gnr_Helsing
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Why are you comparing Steam to Live Gold?! Live DESTROYS Steam by 1,000,000! You can't DL TV shows, movies, MV, like Live.
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#28 Franko_3
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Sorry, I can't get rid of XBL it's what I have to use for chat in half my PS3 games.Riverwolf007

Thx for completly missing the point of the thread

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#29 PS3_3DO
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Because on the 360 you have no choice unlike on the PC. Now stop asking this dumb question.

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#30 A_New_Life
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Why are you comparing Steam to Live Gold?! Live DESTROYS Steam by 1,000,000! You can't DL TV shows, movies, MV, like Live.Gnr_Helsing

You've been living in a dream world.

Those who choose to pay for P2P online are happy ignorant fools.

That have never seen the light of day.

Free yourself from the Matrix that is XBL.

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Why are you comparing Steam to Live Gold?! Live DESTROYS Steam by 1,000,000! You can't DL TV shows, movies, MV, like Live.Gnr_Helsing

And you can't DL new releases with Live?

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[QUOTE="Gnr_Helsing"]Why are you comparing Steam to Live Gold?! Live DESTROYS Steam by 1,000,000! You can't DL TV shows, movies, MV, like Live.A_New_Life

You've been living in a dream world.

Those who choose to pay for P2P online are happy ignorant fools.

That have never seen the light of day.

Free yourself from the Matrix that is XBL.

I'm compairing Live with Steam, don't know what you thought I was compairing.

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[QUOTE="Gnr_Helsing"]Why are you comparing Steam to Live Gold?! Live DESTROYS Steam by 1,000,000! You can't DL TV shows, movies, MV, like Live.A_New_Life

You've been living in a dream world.

Those who choose to pay for P2P online are happy ignorant fools.

That have never seen the light of day.

Free yourself from the Matrix that is XBL.

You said you have been a member of XBOX LIVE since it started. So what are you ranting about?

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Why are you comparing Steam to Live Gold?! Live DESTROYS Steam by 1,000,000! You can't DL TV shows, movies, MV, like Live.Gnr_Helsing

LOL, we can download these things for free. Personally, I don't, but it's sad if you pay for tv show that are normally free.Seriously,Live is stupid, you actually pay 50$ to get access to the movie, tv show... library, then you have to pay again! and you even have to watch some ads while you do so! Steam is free, there is 0 advertising, unless you are in themarketplace,and you know what? I can download theme and picture for free

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[QUOTE="Gnr_Helsing"]Why are you comparing Steam to Live Gold?! Live DESTROYS Steam by 1,000,000! You can't DL TV shows, movies, MV, like Live.jangojay

And you can't DL new releases with Live?

What are you talking about? Think you misread my post.

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#36 cobrax25
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[QUOTE="jangojay"]

[QUOTE="Gnr_Helsing"]Why are you comparing Steam to Live Gold?! Live DESTROYS Steam by 1,000,000! You can't DL TV shows, movies, MV, like Live.Gnr_Helsing

And you can't DL new releases with Live?

What are you talking about? Think you misread my post.

Steam lets you download full games....

and has dedicaded servers for everything...

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#37 A_New_Life
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[QUOTE="A_New_Life"]

[QUOTE="Gnr_Helsing"]Why are you comparing Steam to Live Gold?! Live DESTROYS Steam by 1,000,000! You can't DL TV shows, movies, MV, like Live.JiveT

You've been living in a dream world.

Those who choose to pay for P2P online are happy ignorant fools.

That have never seen the light of day.

Free yourself from the Matrix that is XBL.

You said you have been a member of XBOX LIVE since it started. So what are you ranting about?

I've have cancelled my account on 1/1/2008 :|

Never again will I pay for P2P online.

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[QUOTE="Gnr_Helsing"]Why are you comparing Steam to Live Gold?! Live DESTROYS Steam by 1,000,000! You can't DL TV shows, movies, MV, like Live.Franko_3

LOL, we can download these things for free. Personally, I don't, but it's sad if you pay for tv show that are normally free.Seriously,Live is stupid, you actually pay 50$ to payto get access to the movie, tv show... library, then you have to pay again! and you even have to watch some ads while you do so! Steam is free, there is 0 advertising and you know what? I can download theme and picture for free

Wow...I'm compairing Live with Steam. Plz understand.

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#39 A_New_Life
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[QUOTE="Franko_3"]

[QUOTE="Gnr_Helsing"]Why are you comparing Steam to Live Gold?! Live DESTROYS Steam by 1,000,000! You can't DL TV shows, movies, MV, like Live.Gnr_Helsing

LOL, we can download these things for free. Personally, I don't, but it's sad if you pay for tv show that are normally free.Seriously,Live is stupid, you actually pay 50$ to payto get access to the movie, tv show... library, then you have to pay again! and you even have to watch some ads while you do so! Steam is free, there is 0 advertising and you know what? I can download theme and picture for free

Wow...I'm compairing Live with Steam. Plz understand.

Yes and Steam is better in every way.

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#40 Franko_3
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[QUOTE="Franko_3"]

[QUOTE="Gnr_Helsing"]Why are you comparing Steam to Live Gold?! Live DESTROYS Steam by 1,000,000! You can't DL TV shows, movies, MV, like Live.Gnr_Helsing

LOL, we can download these things for free. Personally, I don't, but it's sad if you pay for tv show that are normally free.Seriously,Live is stupid, you actually pay 50$ to payto get access to the movie, tv show... library, then you have to pay again! and you even have to watch some ads while you do so! Steam is free, there is 0 advertising and you know what? I can download theme and picture for free

Wow...I'm compairing Live with Steam. Plz understand.

Sad that you are limited by Ms service no?

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#41 Riverwolf007
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]Sorry, I can't get rid of XBL it's what I have to use for chat in half my PS3 games.Franko_3

Thx for completly missing the point of the thread

If the point is we can answer everything in SW with pc is better then yeah we know that one.
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#42 musicalmac  Moderator
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Yes and Steam is better in every way.

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No it's not, and you know that. Unless you don't really have an XBL account name. Which wouldn't surprise me.
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[QUOTE="Gnr_Helsing"][QUOTE="jangojay"]

[QUOTE="Gnr_Helsing"]Why are you comparing Steam to Live Gold?! Live DESTROYS Steam by 1,000,000! You can't DL TV shows, movies, MV, like Live.cobrax25

And you can't DL new releases with Live?

What are you talking about? Think you misread my post.

Steam lets you download full games....

and has dedicaded servers for everything...

I can't use my MP3 player anymore since I installed Steam and the Orange Box!

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#44 A_New_Life
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[QUOTE="Gnr_Helsing"][QUOTE="Franko_3"]

[QUOTE="Gnr_Helsing"]Why are you comparing Steam to Live Gold?! Live DESTROYS Steam by 1,000,000! You can't DL TV shows, movies, MV, like Live.Franko_3

LOL, we can download these things for free. Personally, I don't, but it's sad if you pay for tv show that are normally free.Seriously,Live is stupid, you actually pay 50$ to payto get access to the movie, tv show... library, then you have to pay again! and you even have to watch some ads while you do so! Steam is free, there is 0 advertising and you know what? I can download theme and picture for free

Wow...I'm compairing Live with Steam. Plz understand.

Sad that you are limited by Ms service no?

Limited? It's basically online P2P tryanny and oppression.

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#45 Gnr_Helsing
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[QUOTE="Gnr_Helsing"][QUOTE="jangojay"]

[QUOTE="Gnr_Helsing"]Why are you comparing Steam to Live Gold?! Live DESTROYS Steam by 1,000,000! You can't DL TV shows, movies, MV, like Live.cobrax25

And you can't DL new releases with Live?

What are you talking about? Think you misread my post.

Steam lets you download full games....

and has dedicaded servers for everything...

So does Live, and it's all free to DL movies, games, demos, TV show, MV, trailers ALL FREE that's Silver Live

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#46 lowe0
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PCs had these kind of services free for years now. Charging for one is ludicris and will not make you any money, nor will people user your software.jangojay
I was unaware that PCs had a single, unified system with in-game cross-title messaging (w/ seamless invitations), skill matching, reputation tracking, and player preference. Which one are you referring to?

Anyway, the reason why XBL costs money is because people will pay for it. Anyone who answers otherwise clearly failed economics.

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#47 A_New_Life
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[QUOTE="A_New_Life"]

Yes and Steam is better in every way.

musicalmac

No it's not, and you know that. Unless you don't really have an XBL account name. Which wouldn't surprise me.

Yes it is and it's free and customizable. And has all it's games with Decicated Servers.

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#48 LTomlinson21
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[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="A_New_Life"]

Yes and Steam is better in every way.

A_New_Life

No it's not, and you know that. Unless you don't really have an XBL account name. Which wouldn't surprise me.

Yes it is and it's free and customizable. And has all it's games with Decicated Servers.

You guys are really stuck on this dedicated servers thing, aren't you?

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#49 Gnr_Helsing
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[QUOTE="Gnr_Helsing"][QUOTE="Franko_3"]

[QUOTE="Gnr_Helsing"]Why are you comparing Steam to Live Gold?! Live DESTROYS Steam by 1,000,000! You can't DL TV shows, movies, MV, like Live.Franko_3

LOL, we can download these things for free. Personally, I don't, but it's sad if you pay for tv show that are normally free.Seriously,Live is stupid, you actually pay 50$ to payto get access to the movie, tv show... library, then you have to pay again! and you even have to watch some ads while you do so! Steam is free, there is 0 advertising and you know what? I can download theme and picture for free

Wow...I'm compairing Live with Steam. Plz understand.

Sad that you are limited by Ms service no?

I'm a memeber of Steam and Live. You owned yourself if you thought Steam could DL Movies, and TV shows, MV.

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#50 musicalmac  Moderator
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You guys are really stuck on this dedicated servers thing, aren't you?

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I suggest we let this thread die out. It's for trolling purposes. Besides, it's not very productive talking to a broken record. 'Tis my message to all logical posters in this thread. Ciao.