Why is the PS3 currently "unhackable"?

Eh? Apparently the cost of both Blu-Ray burners and writable discs have gone down, so piracy could start being profitable, yet the PS3 remains unhacked (to my knowledge). What gives? What voodoo magic did Sony use on its digital securities?

Eh? Apparently the cost of both Blu-Ray burners and writable discs have gone down, so piracy could start being profitable, yet the PS3 remains unhacked (to my knowledge). What gives? What voodoo magic did Sony use on its digital securities?

mr-krinkles

Eh? Apparently the cost of both Blu-Ray burners and writable discs have gone down, so piracy could start being profitable, yet the PS3 remains unhacked (to my knowledge). What gives? What voodoo magic did Sony use on its digital securities?

mr-krinkles

Probably a variant of SecuROM, so nobody wants to hack a PS3 game anyway. Also, hackers are mainly from countries where money is used more importantly for food and drink, rather than games, so the Cheapest console to buy is the best. This is also why there is a lot of effort put into 360 and Wii.

Eh? Apparently the cost of both Blu-Ray burners and writable discs have gone down, so piracy could start being profitable, yet the PS3 remains unhacked (to my knowledge). What gives? What voodoo magic did Sony use on its digital securities?

mr-krinkles

Nothing is unhackable.

[QUOTE="mr-krinkles"]

Eh? Apparently the cost of both Blu-Ray burners and writable discs have gone down, so piracy could start being profitable, yet the PS3 remains unhacked (to my knowledge). What gives? What voodoo magic did Sony use on its digital securities?

kraken2109

4 x 50gb blu-rays disks are £14 on amazon. still pretty expensive. but it will come

[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="mr-krinkles"]

Eh? Apparently the cost of both Blu-Ray burners and writable discs have gone down, so piracy could start being profitable, yet the PS3 remains unhacked (to my knowledge). What gives? What voodoo magic did Sony use on its digital securities?

mr-krinkles

The protection is built into the hardware, so the 'hack' / work around would involve messing with the circuitry... a.k.a it's not worth the trouble.

[QUOTE="mr-krinkles"][QUOTE="kraken2109"] Since when was piracy profitable?MajorGamer531

The protection is built into the hardware, so the 'hack' / work around would involve messing with the circuitry... a.k.a it's not worth the trouble.

But when gaming systems get mod-chipped ain't that the same thing?

It's not unhackable, it's already been hacked. It's just not worth the cost.siLVURcross

No, it hasnt.

[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

[QUOTE="mr-krinkles"] Uh, it's profitable to the pirates who use it, derrr. In the third world, pirated games are sold openly in the market at far cheaper prices than originals. I've also seen people selling burned games in London.mr-krinkles

The protection is built into the hardware, so the 'hack' / work around would involve messing with the circuitry... a.k.a it's not worth the trouble.

But when gaming systems get mod-chipped ain't that the same thing?

Nope, in the PS3 the security is not beatable by an extra chip, it is integrated into the system not just the drive.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]It's not unhackable, it's already been hacked. It's just not worth the cost.warmaster670

No, it hasnt.

4 x 50gb blu-rays disks are £14 on amazon. still pretty expensive. but it will come

wayne_kar

but when 1 NWQgame costs £40 in the UK thats actually cheap in comparrasin.

Esentially it comes down to the raw size of the games themselves in corrolation to the users computer aswell, 25gb is pretty hefty in its own right no game cept Age of conan's ever passed that barrier even the graphic beast that is crysis clocks in at what 11gb? right now its down to filesize.Most hackers just wanna be the first rather than oh its not cheap enough i'll not bother.Most circles like this its seen as a badge of honour to be the first to do it.

PS3 hasn't been hacked. Theres an article explaining its security, i don't have the link, google if intrested. One of the PS3 SPE's take care of the security, i think.

[QUOTE="mr-krinkles"]

[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

The protection is built into the hardware, so the 'hack' / work around would involve messing with the circuitry... a.k.a it's not worth the trouble.

MajorGamer531

But when gaming systems get mod-chipped ain't that the same thing?

Nope, in the PS3 the security is not beatable by an extra chip, it is integrated into the system not just the drive.

Additionally, PS3 Firmware updates are total reinstalls. So any changes to firmware would have to be re-done with each update. One more reason why hacking your ps3 would just be a pain.

[QUOTE="mr-krinkles"]

[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

The protection is built into the hardware, so the 'hack' / work around would involve messing with the circuitry... a.k.a it's not worth the trouble.

MajorGamer531

But when gaming systems get mod-chipped ain't that the same thing?

Nope, in the PS3 the security is not beatable by an extra chip, it is integrated into the system not just the drive.

So why didn't the other console manufacturers think about that? Seems like a trivial solution.

[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

[QUOTE="mr-krinkles"]

But when gaming systems get mod-chipped ain't that the same thing?

mr-krinkles

Nope, in the PS3 the security is not beatable by an extra chip, it is integrated into the system not just the drive.

So why didn't the other console manufacturers think about that? Seems like a trivial solution.

It's not trivial...

http://www.ps3news.com/PS3Dev/playstation-3-security-architecture-pdf-released/

;)

[QUOTE="mr-krinkles"]

[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

The protection is built into the hardware, so the 'hack' / work around would involve messing with the circuitry... a.k.a it's not worth the trouble.

MajorGamer531

But when gaming systems get mod-chipped ain't that the same thing?

Nope, in the PS3 the security is not beatable by an extra chip, it is integrated into the system not just the drive.

Can't you just not perform firmware updates like what hackers do with PSP.

I keep seeing how people say the PS3 can be hacked, yet haven't seen any actual evidence to support that claim.

[QUOTE="warmaster670"]

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]It's not unhackable, it's already been hacked. It's just not worth the cost.aia89

No, it hasnt.

and I quote from the biggest mod store in my country

"Whats the current progress of PS3 (Play Station 3) modchips?

Not much!

Team Infectus have managed to dump the firmware, and reload it (downgrade) using their multi platform development modchip. No one has been able to hack this firmware though, so reloading it back on doesn't do much. The Italian team are tipped to be the first to hack the PS3, time will tell"

there are no modchips commercially available for ps3

and yet hackable systems have a better attach rate for games...what does that say?

and yet hackable systems have a better attach rate for games...what does that say?

KingTuttle

and yet hackable systems have a better attach rate for games...what does that say?

KingTuttle

It says more about people in general than the systems. :shock:

price rly doesnt seem like much a factor in my oppinon its just you cant just look up on youtube on how to do it is why it isnt popular.... i suppose if you wanted to alter ityou could just put linux on it

and yet hackable systems have a better attach rate for games...what does that say?

This is why

When we create a new generation of video games, we also create a new generation of technology, security, and sadly ... hackers. Finding holes in new hardware and exploiting them to do anything from copying free games to changing the technology itself, these hackers have many ways of doing things and leave many industries looking for solutions to stop it. With the PSP being hacked just days after each update, we are left to wonder why the PS3 hasn't been hacked yet and what has Sony done to stop the madness. Well, we created a feature to help explain how things are done and exactly why the PS3 is safe from these attacks.

If you have ever hacked, or watched someone hack a PSP, then you'd know how things work. You mess with the file system and trick it into reformatting itself to fit your needs. All the DRM and privilege rights are overwritten and nothing is stopping you from doing things you're not supposed to. This can be done on almost any technological piece of hardware. You can insert a UMD and copy it to a memory stick, you can take the iPhone and change the version to bypass AT&T security, or you take your PC game and upload it to a torrent site for someone else to play. Since these hacks seem to be common practice nowadays, Sony has obviously studied these exploits and went to great lengths to prevent it from happening on the PS3.

The minute your PS3 boots up, it runs through 4 stages of security at all times. All 4 stages have secrets that will need to be decoded in order to reach the next stage. So think of hacking the PS3 to be similar to a treasure hunt. You discover the clues and figure out a way to piece them all together to find the treasure. Except in this hunt for the booty, if you mess up one tiny thing, the whole mission collapses and your PS3 could possibly explode into vast reaches of outer space.

For starters, the PS3 is not easily fooled like its sibling PSP. Sony has encrypted each hard drive to only work with a specific PS3, which eliminates the possibility of switching them out like memory sticks. The hard drive is then read by the PS3 where it makes sure the drive is registered to the specific console. After verifying the hard drive, the PS3 continues to search for needed files to boot up the OS. This is merely the logo that appears or random files hidden in the system that will trigger the "OK" to boot up. The hard drive is built in layers with the "bootflag.dat" being the first file read on each start up, which then leads into the DRM file and finally ... the game files. Several files found in between each of these makes things even more complicated to bypass. We must also note that messing with any of these files will cause the PS3 to read them as missing and not boot up correctly.

If you finally get past the hard drive, you must then face the problems hidden within the actual system itself. We all know the PS3 is a beast with a hearty 7 cells running under the hood as we brag about this on a daily basis. The problem for hackers is how only 6 of these cells are actually accessible, with the 7th cell access being denied to everyone. Not even game developers have access to this 7th cell. Now why is this cell even there if we can't use it? In a simple sentence, the 7th cell runs the PS3 completely on its own. The cell boots the system up, cracks the codes encrypted in all security branches, and finally keeps the OS running while you play a game or do whatever you normally do. Remember how I talked about the PS3 verifying the HDD in relation to the system? This is where that comes into place. The 7th cell is what verifies everything that needs to be unlocked or encrypted. The 7th cell basically double checks that everything in the PS3 actually belongs to the PS3, so users cannot trade hard drives or share illegal games without the cell noticing and denying access. With the exception of communicating with other cells, this cell cannot be written to or acknowledged by an outside source, making it completely secure from attacks.


If hackers somehow find a way to hack the hard drive and bypass the 7th cell, there is still one more major problem awaiting for them at the next step. If you haven't heard about Blu-ray, then you are probably thinking PS2 is the **** right now and randomly came across this article of the future somehow. Joking aside, Blu-ray is an amazing feature for HD users and a tremendous advancement for all game makers with a massive storage space and fast loading times. However, it is also the biggest problem to every hacker out there. Each Blu-ray disc comes equipped with a special "disc-based" encryption that is stronger than the security we find on DVD. The 128-bit key is hidden within each disc marked as BD-ROM and requires the "special" Blu-ray technology to decrypt it. Does Eboot.bin sound familiar? No? Well for the new guys, this is the file that hides all the required data to run a game or movie, which is very important. Now you can guess what is hidden under the encryption layer of BD. A Blu-ray lens can read the encryption, unlock it, and break it down from a .SELF file and .ELF file for games, where the Eboot file can be shared with the system. Even if this code is bypassed, hackers would have trouble finding ways to boot up a particular file without having the disc inserted. Unlike hacks on the PSP, simply inserting a different disc will not work. So next time you insert a BD and realize the small load time, just remember your PS3 is just doing all these things in a matter of seconds.

While the PS3 is closed down like the gates at Fort Knox, hackers do occasionally find ways to breach the security of the system. Some hackers have tried to steal passwords, some have tried to destroy the PS3 due to their frustrations of failing, and others randomly do something stupid to make us all laugh. Sony finds out about these hacks, or "attempts" as it were, and immediately issue software updates to protect users like you and I. These updates help protect the PS3 from attacks and are required to access the PlayStation Network. When a PS3 logs into the PSN, it registers on the network with its firmware version. Having faulty firmware will get you banned from the PSN permanently and possibly trigger something to go wrong internally. Hacking the PS3 will also void your warranty and you will no longer be allowed to receive repairs. This final precaution is the 4th and final step Sony has taken to prevent the pirates from hacking your PS3.

Remember, these are just the 4 major security walls Sony has implemented within the PS3. Depending on how hackers attempt to hack the PS3, several smaller problems can occur preventing them from going any further. Installing the OS Linux may open up some loop holes, but compared to what hackers have done with the PSP, nothing has ever been quite as successful.

Will we see the PS3 hacked one day? Possibly, depending on if Sony ever releases that 7th cell and how much hackers learn about all the new technology. Right now the PS3 is the safest beast on the market and people don't really have to worry a whole lot about attacks. While you may be thinking free games on the PSP are nice, we all must realize how much it hurts the industry as a whole and would devastate the PS3 market.

Thankfully, Sony has found a way to make the safety features unnoticeable to the average gamer and keep the lid on the PS3 closed tightly. So no need to worry, your PS3 is safe at home waiting for you to play the latest games and will one day rule the world. That is until PS4 comes out and we start worrying about something new … but that's quite a ways away, so let's just relax while we can.

This is why

When we create a new generation of video games, we also create a new generation of technology, security, and sadly ... hackers. Finding holes in new hardware and exploiting them to do anything from copying free games to changing the technology itself, these hackers have many ways of doing things and leave many industries looking for solutions to stop it. With the PSP being hacked just days after each update, we are left to wonder why the PS3 hasn't been hacked yet and what has Sony done to stop the madness. Well, we created a feature to help explain how things are done and exactly why the PS3 is safe from these attacks.

If you have ever hacked, or watched someone hack a PSP, then you'd know how things work. You mess with the file system and trick it into reformatting itself to fit your needs. All the DRM and privilege rights are overwritten and nothing is stopping you from doing things you're not supposed to. This can be done on almost any technological piece of hardware. You can insert a UMD and copy it to a memory stick, you can take the iPhone and change the version to bypass AT&T security, or you take your PC game and upload it to a torrent site for someone else to play. Since these hacks seem to be common practice nowadays, Sony has obviously studied these exploits and went to great lengths to prevent it from happening on the PS3.

The minute your PS3 boots up, it runs through 4 stages of security at all times. All 4 stages have secrets that will need to be decoded in order to reach the next stage. So think of hacking the PS3 to be similar to a treasure hunt. You discover the clues and figure out a way to piece them all together to find the treasure. Except in this hunt for the booty, if you mess up one tiny thing, the whole mission collapses and your PS3 could possibly explode into vast reaches of outer space.

For starters, the PS3 is not easily fooled like its sibling PSP. Sony has encrypted each hard drive to only work with a specific PS3, which eliminates the possibility of switching them out like memory sticks. The hard drive is then read by the PS3 where it makes sure the drive is registered to the specific console. After verifying the hard drive, the PS3 continues to search for needed files to boot up the OS. This is merely the logo that appears or random files hidden in the system that will trigger the "OK" to boot up. The hard drive is built in layers with the "bootflag.dat" being the first file read on each start up, which then leads into the DRM file and finally ... the game files. Several files found in between each of these makes things even more complicated to bypass. We must also note that messing with any of these files will cause the PS3 to read them as missing and not boot up correctly.

If you finally get past the hard drive, you must then face the problems hidden within the actual system itself. We all know the PS3 is a beast with a hearty 7 cells running under the hood as we brag about this on a daily basis. The problem for hackers is how only 6 of these cells are actually accessible, with the 7th cell access being denied to everyone. Not even game developers have access to this 7th cell. Now why is this cell even there if we can't use it? In a simple sentence, the 7th cell runs the PS3 completely on its own. The cell boots the system up, cracks the codes encrypted in all security branches, and finally keeps the OS running while you play a game or do whatever you normally do. Remember how I talked about the PS3 verifying the HDD in relation to the system? This is where that comes into place. The 7th cell is what verifies everything that needs to be unlocked or encrypted. The 7th cell basically double checks that everything in the PS3 actually belongs to the PS3, so users cannot trade hard drives or share illegal games without the cell noticing and denying access. With the exception of communicating with other cells, this cell cannot be written to or acknowledged by an outside source, making it completely secure from attacks.


If hackers somehow find a way to hack the hard drive and bypass the 7th cell, there is still one more major problem awaiting for them at the next step. If you haven't heard about Blu-ray, then you are probably thinking PS2 is the **** right now and randomly came across this article of the future somehow. Joking aside, Blu-ray is an amazing feature for HD users and a tremendous advancement for all game makers with a massive storage space and fast loading times. However, it is also the biggest problem to every hacker out there. Each Blu-ray disc comes equipped with a special "disc-based" encryption that is stronger than the security we find on DVD. The 128-bit key is hidden within each disc marked as BD-ROM and requires the "special" Blu-ray technology to decrypt it. Does Eboot.bin sound familiar? No? Well for the new guys, this is the file that hides all the required data to run a game or movie, which is very important. Now you can guess what is hidden under the encryption layer of BD. A Blu-ray lens can read the encryption, unlock it, and break it down from a .SELF file and .ELF file for games, where the Eboot file can be shared with the system. Even if this code is bypassed, hackers would have trouble finding ways to boot up a particular file without having the disc inserted. Unlike hacks on the PSP, simply inserting a different disc will not work. So next time you insert a BD and realize the small load time, just remember your PS3 is just doing all these things in a matter of seconds.

While the PS3 is closed down like the gates at Fort Knox, hackers do occasionally find ways to breach the security of the system. Some hackers have tried to steal passwords, some have tried to destroy the PS3 due to their frustrations of failing, and others randomly do something stupid to make us all laugh. Sony finds out about these hacks, or "attempts" as it were, and immediately issue software updates to protect users like you and I. These updates help protect the PS3 from attacks and are required to access the PlayStation Network. When a PS3 logs into the PSN, it registers on the network with its firmware version. Having faulty firmware will get you banned from the PSN permanently and possibly trigger something to go wrong internally. Hacking the PS3 will also void your warranty and you will no longer be allowed to receive repairs. This final precaution is the 4th and final step Sony has taken to prevent the pirates from hacking your PS3.

Remember, these are just the 4 major security walls Sony has implemented within the PS3. Depending on how hackers attempt to hack the PS3, several smaller problems can occur preventing them from going any further. Installing the OS Linux may open up some loop holes, but compared to what hackers have done with the PSP, nothing has ever been quite as successful.

Will we see the PS3 hacked one day? Possibly, depending on if Sony ever releases that 7th cell and how much hackers learn about all the new technology. Right now the PS3 is the safest beast on the market and people don't really have to worry a whole lot about attacks. While you may be thinking free games on the PSP are nice, we all must realize how much it hurts the industry as a whole and would devastate the PS3 market.

Thankfully, Sony has found a way to make the safety features unnoticeable to the average gamer and keep the lid on the PS3 closed tightly. So no need to worry, your PS3 is safe at home waiting for you to play the latest games and will one day rule the world. That is until PS4 comes out and we start worrying about something new … but that's quite a ways away, so let's just relax while we can.

3sFan

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and yet hackable systems have a better attach rate for games...what does that say?

KingTuttle

[QUOTE="KingTuttle"]

and yet hackable systems have a better attach rate for games...what does that say?

Eh? Apparently the cost of both Blu-Ray burners and writable discs have gone down, so piracy could start being profitable, yet the PS3 remains unhacked (to my knowledge). What gives? What voodoo magic did Sony use on its digital securities?

mr-krinkles

Features that the PS3 advanced from previous generations are the included extra security features. The main ones are listed below.

• Blu-ray Disc encryption
• Harddrive encryption
• Generic data encryption
• Hypervisor

To help with the security, the following hardware are also included inside the Cell:

• Hardware root key
• Hardware decryption routine
• Hardware random number generator

Game data from the Blu-ray disc can have a disc-based encryption on it. The encryption key (128 bit) is hidden inside the disc as a BD-ROM Mark, and requires special Blu-ray reader technology to read it. The disc layered encryption is usually used to encrypt EBOOT.BIN from Blu-ray game discs. After decrypting this disc layer, the result is a file named *.SELF. These *.SELF files are packed NPDRM encrypted data and includes SHA1 hashes. When this layer of encryption is removed, the result is an *.ELF file ready for execution on the PS3. The harddrive is also per PS3 encrypted, so it is not possible to swap drives into another PS3.

Hypervisor

There is a security layer called the Hypervisor running on the PS3 (running at the lowest level: Level 1 or lv1). The Hypervisor (code contained in lvl1.self stored on the encrypted NAND flash chip in early PS3) runs on the PPE and the one reserved SPE with the highest priviledge. The Hypervisor utilizes dedicated hardware on the PPE running in priviledge mode, allowing only itself, for example, to change the read-only status of code memory. There are 256 Hypervisor related System Calls. The GameOS and OtherOS (like linux) runs on Level 2 or higher on top of the hypervisor.

Encrypted code can be secured by having it run on the one reserved SPE (like the secure loader: lv1ldr which decrypts lvl1.self hypervisor code). lv1ldr itself is decrypted following a chain trust to the initial bootloader decrypted using hardware root key and hardware decryption routine built inside the Cell. Practically all the passed data for decryption happens inside Cell registers. The PPE would take the encrypted code (can be analogous to an application file from the decrypted Blu-ray disc, or something from the flash memory) and setup a SPE to go into secured (isolation) mode. In this mode, the hardware decryption routine takes over, grabs the encrypted code, decrypts it using a hardware root key, and puts the decrypted code inside the SPE's local store. Note that an SPE in isolation mode cannot have its whole code and data read or written externally (not even by the PPE that started it up), with the exception of a small area of the local store for communication purposes. The only thing the PPE can do is kill the SPE process (along with the SPE local code and data). The hardware random number generator in the Cell is there so that you can timestamp sessions keyed to a random number to prevent replay attacks.

Almost all of the keys inside the PS3 are public RSA keys for decryption only. With the exception of creating Save Games and general encryption of the harddrive, encryption keys for encrypting games and Blu-ray discs are held in secret by Sony.

Harddrive Layout

The PS3 harddrive (dev_hdd0) layout looks as follows:

• data

○bootflag.dat

• drm
• game

○ GameFolderName1

- USRDIR

- EBOOT.BIN

- ICON0.PNG

- PARAM.SFO

- PIC1.PNG

- PS3LOGO.DAT

○ GameFolderName2...

• home
• mms
• vsh
• widget

Installed games would have its own folder under the game folder, and EBOOT.BIN from each game's USRDIR would be run to boot the game. Games downloaded from the PlayStation Store are actually one large packaged .pkg file. When you install the .pkg file, it is expanded and the PARAM.SFO file from inside provides information about the game or program. It also provides other information like the name of the directory that is created inside the /game directory of the harddrive for the rest of the .pkg files to be dumped into. The contents hierarchy of the .pkg file would look like the above (residing in its own /game folder of course). There is a limit of 4GB per file on the harddrive (same as on the Blu-ray disc). Game demos (because they are packaged in a .pkg file) cannot exceed 4GB in size. The /data/bootflag.dat most likely tells the PS3 to boot into XMB or the OtherOS (Linux).

Also, there was a contest held by a company a while back, where the company was running the PS3 with Linux on it for two months straight, to see if it could be used as a viable secure server, and the first person to hack into it would win a PS3, no-one managed to do it. (www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/177124/ps3_withstands_hack_challenge) (2)

But that is a bit weird, a hacking contest held by a company :P

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]It's not unhackable, it's already been hacked. It's just not worth the cost.AGMing

it is the truth. it's not expensive to hack it by HACKERS, but it's expensive to go through the trouble of hacking it and playing pirated games by the consumers. first off, bluray is expensive. second, games are massive. so you're better off paying the full price then. if you were to download the game off some site (if you've indeed hacked your ps3), devs don't compress the games so insted of a 6-7GB game (like the 360), you're getting a 10-25gb game download which is ridiculous. then, for you to burn it, you have to have a bluray drive, which is expensive. even gaming PC enthusiasts don't have bluray drives installed. and lastly, you have to buy a bluray disk, which is expensive compared to a dvd which is dirt cheap.

also, someone was already able to run an NES emulator in the ps3, but after around 48 hours, SOny released a firmware update to disable the emulator.

so what were you saying?

the ps3 is hackable, it's just that most ppl don't know how, it's alot more difficult then other consoles, i do not own a hack ps3 but i'll be lying if i say i never saw one

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="KingTuttle"]

and yet hackable systems have a better attach rate for games...what does that say?

KingTuttle

Well considering 360 has more sales and is up by 7 million, its not a big surprised but still no excuse for pirating to be allowed on a system.

It's not unhackable, it's already been hacked. It's just not worth the cost.siLVURcross

[QUOTE="KingTuttle"][QUOTE="ermacness"]you're a fanboy that is way off topic:|

RadecSupreme

Well considering 360 has more sales and is up by 7 million, its not a big surprised but still no excuse for pirating to be allowed on a system.

[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="mr-krinkles"]

Eh? Apparently the cost of both Blu-Ray burners and writable discs have gone down, so piracy could start being profitable, yet the PS3 remains unhacked (to my knowledge). What gives? What voodoo magic did Sony use on its digital securities?

mr-krinkles

yeh i was in brazil some time ago and i bought a couple imported ps2 games for 5 bucks a pop lol and they had gta4 and i asked him what system is this for and he said ps2 lol

PS3 isn't unhackable. People just don't care to hack it. Almost nobody has or wants BD drives, and they're also not gonna download huge versions of games that take up less bandwidth if you were to DL them for the 360. So it's not that Sony did something amazing. If anything they shot themselves in the foot, because piracy only helps the industry, especially in terms of console sales.istuffedsunny

Your delusional if you think its not hacked because people dont care, theve been trying, they simply cant do it.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]It's not unhackable, it's already been hacked. It's just not worth the cost.warmaster670

No, it hasnt.

PS3 isn't unhackable. People just don't care to hack it. Almost nobody has or wants BD drives, and they're also not gonna download huge versions of games that take up less bandwidth if you were to DL them for the 360. So it's not that Sony did something amazing. If anything they shot themselves in the foot, because piracy only helps the industry, especially in terms of console sales.istuffedsunny

oh and lol about the "piracy helps the industry" comment. Only a hacker who tries to steal software from developers would say "I'm helping the industry" but buying a PS3 even though Sony loses money when it's sold to you and the retailers make no money on the sale (specially since you won't be buying games from them).

I think it can be hacked, but no one has Blu-Ray burners or discs to buy, so they haven't bothered with it.

I could be wrong. :?

[QUOTE="istuffedsunny"]PS3 isn't unhackable. People just don't care to hack it. Almost nobody has or wants BD drives, and they're also not gonna download huge versions of games that take up less bandwidth if you were to DL them for the 360. So it's not that Sony did something amazing. If anything they shot themselves in the foot, because piracy only helps the industry, especially in terms of console sales.warmaster670

Your delusional if you think its not hacked because people dont care, theve been trying, they simply cant do it.