Why Microsoft deserves pie in the face

Bill Gates feels he can get away with inflation tactics because if he forces a crash then games will end up on the PC and he will dominate the entire gaming industry on Windows 13, only twenty years after the crash of 83, and thirty years after the birth of gaming in 73.

Microsoft hurt the industry by resorting to inflation tactics that push up the cost of game development by paying game designs unsustainable quantities of money in order to compete with Sony and Nintendo. Thankfully Nintendo is fighting Microsoft's inflation tactic.

Lol, look it's a guy that does not remember that Street fighter on Snes was $70 and Donkey Kong on N64 was $80.

I love the MS is teh Debbil threads though so please carry on.

Lol, look it's a guy that does not remember that Street fighter on Snes was $70 and Donkey Kong on N64 was $80.

I love the MS is teh Debbil threads though so please carry on.

Riverwolf007

But that was from gamers pockets. Microsoft is paying millions that we cannot afford without Microsoft.

Ok thats great but Iv still been having alot of fun with my xbox 360 and windows xp.terdoo

Until the industry crashes. Do you remember when all games where on computers? Bill Gates does.

The 360 has by far the largest number of AAA's and AA's among the three consoles, the Wii has the least.

For anyone that loves traditional gaming the 360 has been a godsend, technical complaints about the system aside.

If anything, the Wii is changing the amount of "great" grade A titles out there. For the first time EVER, the console with the highest sales (by far) has the least AAA's and AA's, and that sure as Hell doesn't look to be changing anytime soon. THey are now concentrating on funneling profits into making games for people who didn't play games prior to this generation.

Ugh, makes me wish I could rewind time back a generation or two.

[QUOTE="terdoo"]Ok thats great but Iv still been having alot of fun with my xbox 360 and windows xp.Tony-Harrison

Until the industry crashes. Do you remember when all games where on computers? Bill Gates does.

Lol, people have been predicting an industry crash for 2 and a half decades, based mostly on the last time the industry crashed (and it was so vastly different it shouldn't even be considered the same industry as it is today.)

Not going to happen.

The 360 has by far the largest number of AAA's and AA's among the three consoles, the Wii has the least.

For anyone that loves traditional gaming the 360 has been a godsend, technical complaints about the system aside.

If anything, the Wii is changing the amount of "great" grade A titles out there. For the first time EVER, the console with the highest sales (by far) has the least AAA's and AA's, and that sure as Hell doesn't look to be changing anytime soon. THey are now concentrating on funneling profits into making games for people who didn't play games prior to this generation.

Ugh, makes me wish I could rewind time back a generation or two.

Arch--Vile

There will be no console AAA's if the industry crashes. Which is what Bill Gates wants. So videogame designers have to use the PC as the main platform.

[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="terdoo"]Ok thats great but Iv still been having alot of fun with my xbox 360 and windows xp.Arch--Vile

Until the industry crashes. Do you remember when all games where on computers? Bill Gates does.

Lol, people have been predicting an industry crash for 2 and a half decades, based mostly on the last time the industry crashed (and it was so vastly different it shouldn't even be considered the same industry as it is today.)

Not going to happen.

The difference this time is that Bill Gates is TRYING to make it happen.

I hope it doesn't happen. :/

[QUOTE="Arch--Vile"]

The 360 has by far the largest number of AAA's and AA's among the three consoles, the Wii has the least.

For anyone that loves traditional gaming the 360 has been a godsend, technical complaints about the system aside.

If anything, the Wii is changing the amount of "great" grade A titles out there. For the first time EVER, the console with the highest sales (by far) has the least AAA's and AA's, and that sure as Hell doesn't look to be changing anytime soon. THey are now concentrating on funneling profits into making games for people who didn't play games prior to this generation.

Ugh, makes me wish I could rewind time back a generation or two.

Tony-Harrison

There will be no console AAA's if the industry crashes. Which is what Bill Gates wants. So videogame designers have to use the PC as the main platform.

Don't let the strong winds knock your tinfoil hat off.

TC, I've worried about what you've said before... about MS monopolizing the industry, and I really hope not. I love the 360 (obviously) but I love the PS3 and like the Wii too.

But we'll see what happens.

[QUOTE="Arch--Vile"][QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]

[QUOTE="terdoo"]Ok thats great but Iv still been having alot of fun with my xbox 360 and windows xp.Tony-Harrison

Until the industry crashes. Do you remember when all games where on computers? Bill Gates does.

Lol, people have been predicting an industry crash for 2 and a half decades, based mostly on the last time the industry crashed (and it was so vastly different it shouldn't even be considered the same industry as it is today.)

Not going to happen.

The difference this time is that Bill Gates is TRYING to make it happen.

I hope it doesn't happen. :/

Uh, you do realize that Bill Gates has stepped down, correct?

Hate to rain on your parade, but the man is retired.

MS made a system to get ahold of the future living room as media dlc money maker not to crash the industry and make all games PC only. I think you are confusing Bill Gates with Dr. evil.

MS saw that they could not just hand over all that future income to Sony without a fight, that's why they are willing to lose billions on the Xbox.

Btw, what a lame ass gen this would have been without the 360 in it.

Hey fanboys. Remember that your a gamer first and foremost. Bill Gates is not a game designer, he is an operating system designer. The industry benefits from the increased revenue generated from the console market, but Bill Gates does not. He's not one of the richest men in the world for nothing.

Do you remember when all games where on computers? Bill Gates does.Tony-Harrison

They should've stayed there.

Lolz yeah Steve Jobs should totally kick his ass.ONLYDOD

For the record I think Steve Jobs is much more evil than Bill Gates.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

Lol, look it's a guy that does not remember that Street fighter on Snes was $70 and Donkey Kong on N64 was $80.

I love the MS is teh Debbil threads though so please carry on.

Tony-Harrison

But that was from gamers pockets. Microsoft is paying millions that we cannot afford without Microsoft.

Wait, MS is stealing millions of dollars from me? Or from developers?

What the heck is this thread about?

Hey fanboys. Remember that your a gamer first and foremost. Bill Gates is not a game designer, he is an operating system designer. The industry benefits from the increased revenue generated from the console market, but Bill Gates does not. He's not one of the richest men in the world for nothing.

Tony-Harrison

No, he is not an OS designer. He is an MS board member and head of one of the most well-endowed charity organizations of all time, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

Lol, look it's a guy that does not remember that Street fighter on Snes was $70 and Donkey Kong on N64 was $80.

I love the MS is teh Debbil threads though so please carry on.

SpruceCaboose

But that was from gamers pockets. Microsoft is paying millions that we cannot afford without Microsoft.

Wait, MS is stealing millions of dollars from me? Or from developers?

What the heck is this thread about?

Microsoft is inflating the industry. Not stealing money.

[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]Do you remember when all games where on computers? Bill Gates does.TenP

They should've stayed there.

Lolz yeah Steve Jobs should totally kick his ass.ONLYDOD

For the record I think Steve Jobs is much more evil than Bill Gates.

Steve Jobs owes Bill Gates a kiss for bailing Apples butt out back in the day.

Microsoft is inflating the industry. Not stealing money.

Tony-Harrison

How?

[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

Lol, look it's a guy that does not remember that Street fighter on Snes was $70 and Donkey Kong on N64 was $80.

I love the MS is teh Debbil threads though so please carry on.

SpruceCaboose

But that was from gamers pockets. Microsoft is paying millions that we cannot afford without Microsoft.

Wait, MS is stealing millions of dollars from me? Or from developers?

What the heck is this thread about?

I just don't want to see my beloved industry go up in flames, all for the wealth of one corporation.

Neither should you. Please stop and consider the following.

1: Is Microsoft inflating the industry?
2: Why would they want to and how?
3: What would the consiquences of another crash be?

Lolz yeah Steve Jobs should totally kick his ass.ONLYDOD

For the record I think Steve Jobs is much more evil than Bill Gates.

I was only making a joke, but if you fancy a go Tony this is likely to be the closest you'll ever get.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/448565

Steve Jobs owes Bill Gates a kiss for bailing Apples butt out back in the day.

SpruceCaboose

And how many times did he do it? Like over 9,000?

If you ask me, M$ should've bought Apple back when that happened. But back then they were hardly a threat.

I was only making a joke, but if you fancy a go Tony this is likely to be the closest you'll ever get.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/448565ONLYDOD

Hehe, That's a fun game. I know you were making a joke, but that still doesn't mean he's less evil.

I just don't want to see my beloved industry go up in flames, all for the wealth of one corporation.

Neither should you. Please stop and consider the following.

1: Is Microsoft inflating the industry?
2: Why would they want to and how?
3: What would the consiquences of another crash be?

Tony-Harrison

1. No they aren't.

2. They wouldn't want to and they couldn't anyway.

3. A crash would be like it was last time, but if any of the companies is leading the way toward one its not MS.

:lol: @ this joke thread.

MS doesn't earn money from games that go to Wndows. They will probably sell more Windows operating system, but they practically own 90+% of the market anyway that forcing all games onto Windows will have little effect. They stand to earn more if the Xbox brand is successful.

[QUOTE="Tony-Harrison"]1: Is Microsoft inflating the industry?

2: Why would they want to and how?
3: What would the consiquences of another crash be?

SpruceCaboose

1. No they aren't.
2. They wouldn't want to and they couldn't anyway.
3. A crash would be like it was last time, but if any of the companies is leading the way toward one its not MS.

Nintendo is trying to grow the industry.

A: By introducing new demographics.
B: Preventing overall inflation keeping prices low.
C: Because they are an industry player.

Microsoft is trying to kill the industry.

A: By forcing inflation of the market to make it unsustainable.
B: Using money to pull third party developers to the Xbox360 console.
C: So that they end up on PC after the crash.

They stand to earn more if the Xbox brand is successful.

Zhengi

Xbox is hardware. Windows/Direct X is software.

Work out which is more profitable.

I'm going to leave this thread to die. Feel free to post in it whatever.

I'm going to think exactly what it is I'm trying to say as I do believe Microsoft is trying to force the industry in it's favour, and I do not think it is something a gamer would support if they saw what was going on.

I realize as gamers you want to think Microsoft are on your side. Especially on this forum.

[QUOTE="terdoo"]Ok thats great but Iv still been having alot of fun with my xbox 360 and windows xp.Tony-Harrison

Until the industry crashes. Do you remember when all games where on computers? Bill Gates does.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]

They stand to earn more if the Xbox brand is successful.

Tony-Harrison

Xbox is hardware. Windows/Direct X is software.

Work out which is more profitable.

Of course Windows, but Windows doesn't earn liscensing fees from game publishers like the Xbox does. Therefore, how can they make more money if all the games go to Windows? Like I said, they already own 90+% of the OS market. How is having games on Windows going to help them again?

On the other hand, if MS wins majority share in the video game market, that's a nice $22 billion industry they can have controll over which means more money for them.

Nintendo is trying to grow the industry.

A: By introducing new demographics.
B: Preventing overall inflation keeping prices low.
C: Because they are an industry player.

Microsoft is trying to kill the industry.

A: By forcing inflation of the market to make it unsustainable.
B: Using money to pull third party developers to the Xbox360 console.
C: So that they end up on PC after the crash.

Tony-Harrison

Depending on whether it's a joke or not...

Microsoft actually has far, far less control over PC gaming than it does the 360. It actually pays developers to adopt the Games for Windows logo, as opposed to charging licensing fees to use the 360.

It can be a dominant force in the OS market, but it can't control PC gaming.

....ok...well that one conspiracy theory :P I for one believe that this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/06/18/cnrbs118.xml

will have more effect on things than.....BILL GATES :roll: and as for what Bill has done for this industry......well..........i believe he is QUITE happy with his contributions in the gaming industry, as are we all ;)

Microsoft is trying to kill the industry.

A: By forcing inflation of the market to make it unsustainable.
B: Using money to pull third party developers to the Xbox360 console.
C: So that they end up on PC after the crash.

Tony-Harrison

I keep asking you what you mean by inflation, and you keep saying that inflation is inflation, which is in no way any kind of answer.

How has Microsoft caused inflation in the industry? They were not the first to charge $60 for games (it was 3rd parties) and they were not the highest priced hardware this generation.

Paying developers for support (Subsidizing dev costs) is not inflation, and there is little proof of it besides with GTA 4 and that was more loan that payment.

Securing support for their platform is smart business.

And MS could only bring the industry down if they were well in the lead in the industry, which is no where near reality.

Take off your MS hate glasses and stop with the wild conspiracy theories.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

Lol, look it's a guy that does not remember that Street fighter on Snes was $70 and Donkey Kong on N64 was $80.

I love the MS is teh Debbil threads though so please carry on.

Tony-Harrison

But that was from gamers pockets. Microsoft is paying millions that we cannot afford without Microsoft.

First developers go where the install base is, and currently MS controls this in NA. Secondly, from information I've read it appears that it costs more to develop on the cell and that releasing games on Blu-ray vs DVD9 also cuts into developer profits. I'm not saying that MS is the angel of the industry, but I think you're wrong in this instance.

Now in regard to the Blu-ray/HD-DVD battle, yes I think MS interfered hoping that neither format would take off and allow digital distribution to be the "format" winner.