Why Microsoft owns the US Market

Ok I've lived all over the world. Europe. Africa. Asia. And of course, North America (both US and Canada).

Its quite easy to understand why Microsoft owns the N.A. market. America is dominated by capitalism. That means people buy what they see is the most value to them. They don't care where it comes from so much as they are getting the features they want at a price they are willing to pay.

Europe and Japan are a bit less capitalist and a bit more nationalist. They consider where something was made (or WHO made it) a little bit more than North Americans. Buying products from Microsoft outside of the US is a hard sell, because Microsoft = America to non-Americans, and the rest of the world resents (to a degree) that the US is the most successful & prosperous market. Furthermore, Europeans are willing to pay more for products and keep them for longer periods of time. Americans like to constantly update and/or upgrade what they have.

Japan is a little different because Asian culture is different enough to where tastes in products differ enough to become a factor in consumer products.

I thought it was because it isn't. It's being beat by Ninty...dexter111344

There are more Xbox 360s than Wiis in the US. But I was referring more to the 360 vs PS3.. The Wii isn't even a next-gen console. That's like comparing a motorcycle to a car.

Ok I've lived all over the world. Europe. Africa. Asia. And of course, North America (both US and Canada).

Its quite easy to understand why Microsoft owns the N.A. market. America is dominated by capitalism. That means people buy what they see is the most value to them. They don't care where it comes from so much as they are getting the features they want at a price they are willing to pay.

Europe and Japan are a bit less capitalist and a bit more nationalist. They consider where something was made (or WHO made it) a little bit more than North Americans. Buying products from Microsoft outside of the US is a hard sell, because Microsoft = America to non-Americans, and the rest of the world resents (to a degree) that the US is the most successful & prosperous market. Furthermore, Europeans are willing to pay more for products and keep them for longer periods of time. Americans like to constantly update and/or upgrade what they have.

Japan is a little different because Asian culture is different enough to where tastes in products differ enough to become a factor in consumer products.

MrEpyx

I agree. Thats why the auto market is the way it is now in the US.

Or maybe its the good games that appeal to the US crowd like Gears/Halo, but not so much to EU/Japan crowd.whocares4peace

TC brings up a good point: In the US marketing is king. People listen to endless marketing, get brainwashed, and buy into what they've been told to believe.

In Europe and the rest of the world, I guess it isa different story.

[QUOTE="whocares4peace"]Or maybe its the good games that appeal to the US crowd like Gears/Halo, but not so much to EU/Japan crowd.Subcritical

TC brings up a good point: In the US marketing is king. People listen to endless marketing, get brainwashed, and buy into what they've been told to believe.

In Europe and the rest of the world, I guess it isa different story.

[QUOTE="whocares4peace"]Or maybe its the good games that appeal to the US crowd like Gears/Halo, but not so much to EU/Japan crowd.Subcritical

TC brings up a good point: In the US marketing is king. People listen to endless marketing, get brainwashed, and buy into what they've been told to believe.

In Europe and the rest of the world, I guess it isa different story.

LOL, nice attempt in twisting the story around. Too bad you failed. Marketing isn't what made Halo 3, Orange Box, Bioshock, & Gears AAA games. It might of helped them sell a gazillion copies, but if you honestly believe these games are crap and only sell due to marketing, then I have a nice tin foil hat I can sell you.

[QUOTE="MrEpyx"]

Ok I've lived all over the world. Europe. Africa. Asia. And of course, North America (both US and Canada).

Its quite easy to understand why Microsoft owns the N.A. market. America is dominated by capitalism. That means people buy what they see is the most value to them. They don't care where it comes from so much as they are getting the features they want at a price they are willing to pay.

Europe and Japan are a bit less capitalist and a bit more nationalist. They consider where something was made (or WHO made it) a little bit more than North Americans. Buying products from Microsoft outside of the US is a hard sell, because Microsoft = America to non-Americans, and the rest of the world resents (to a degree) that the US is the most successful & prosperous market. Furthermore, Europeans are willing to pay more for products and keep them for longer periods of time. Americans like to constantly update and/or upgrade what they have.

Japan is a little different because Asian culture is different enough to where tastes in products differ enough to become a factor in consumer products.

AgileNate

I agree. Thats why the auto market is the way it is now in the US.

EXACTLY.. Very good analogy. America could care less about killing its own Auto industry if it means the consumersare getting more for their money. Europe on the other hand, would rather buy crap French cars, or overpriced BMW's to keep themselves employed.

[QUOTE="dexter111344"]I thought it was because it isn't. It's being beat by Ninty...MrEpyx

There are more Xbox 360s than Wiis in the US. But I was referring more to the 360 vs PS3.. The Wii isn't even a next-gen console. That's like comparing a motorcycle to a car.

Face it. The Wii is next-gen. It has been selling more than the 360 here in America since its release every month, except the past month of course.

[QUOTE="AgileNate"][QUOTE="MrEpyx"]

Ok I've lived all over the world. Europe. Africa. Asia. And of course, North America (both US and Canada).

Its quite easy to understand why Microsoft owns the N.A. market. America is dominated by capitalism. That means people buy what they see is the most value to them. They don't care where it comes from so much as they are getting the features they want at a price they are willing to pay.

Europe and Japan are a bit less capitalist and a bit more nationalist. They consider where something was made (or WHO made it) a little bit more than North Americans. Buying products from Microsoft outside of the US is a hard sell, because Microsoft = America to non-Americans, and the rest of the world resents (to a degree) that the US is the most successful & prosperous market. Furthermore, Europeans are willing to pay more for products and keep them for longer periods of time. Americans like to constantly update and/or upgrade what they have.

Japan is a little different because Asian culture is different enough to where tastes in products differ enough to become a factor in consumer products.

MrEpyx

I agree. Thats why the auto market is the way it is now in the US.

EXACTLY.. Very good analogy. America could care less about killing its own Auto industry if it means the consumersare getting more for their money. Europe on the other hand, would rather buy crap French cars, or overpriced BMW's to keep themselves employed.

American cars are no better than french cars. Besides atleast French cars are the safest vehicles on the road.

edit: wait.... were you being sarcastic? It sure sounds like it sorry :P

[QUOTE="MrEpyx"][QUOTE="AgileNate"][QUOTE="MrEpyx"]

Ok I've lived all over the world. Europe. Africa. Asia. And of course, North America (both US and Canada).

Its quite easy to understand why Microsoft owns the N.A. market. America is dominated by capitalism. That means people buy what they see is the most value to them. They don't care where it comes from so much as they are getting the features they want at a price they are willing to pay.

Europe and Japan are a bit less capitalist and a bit more nationalist. They consider where something was made (or WHO made it) a little bit more than North Americans. Buying products from Microsoft outside of the US is a hard sell, because Microsoft = America to non-Americans, and the rest of the world resents (to a degree) that the US is the most successful & prosperous market. Furthermore, Europeans are willing to pay more for products and keep them for longer periods of time. Americans like to constantly update and/or upgrade what they have.

Japan is a little different because Asian culture is different enough to where tastes in products differ enough to become a factor in consumer products.

_Pedro_

I agree. Thats why the auto market is the way it is now in the US.

EXACTLY.. Very good analogy. America could care less about killing its own Auto industry if it means the consumersare getting more for their money. Europe on the other hand, would rather buy crap French cars, or overpriced BMW's to keep themselves employed.

American cars are no better than french cars. Besides atleast French cars are the safest vehicles on the road.

edit: wait.... were you being sarcastic? It sure sounds like it sorry :P

He indeed is saying that the buyers in N.A. will buy what they think is the best value regardless of Company or it's country of origin hence why they buy so many Japanese cars that it may just put some car makers in the U.S. outta business.

Sadly, Japan Not So Much....as seen buy the best Gaming console with the best games atm, being snubed in Japan.

Of course IMHO. :)

PS: Nice job TC as I agree- mostly.

[QUOTE="dexter111344"]I thought it was because it isn't. It's being beat by Ninty...MrEpyx

There are more Xbox 360s than Wiis in the US. But I was referring more to the 360 vs PS3.. The Wii isn't even a next-gen console. That's like comparing a motorcycle to a car.

I loled on that one. :lol:

[QUOTE="AgileNate"][QUOTE="MrEpyx"]

Ok I've lived all over the world. Europe. Africa. Asia. And of course, North America (both US and Canada).

Its quite easy to understand why Microsoft owns the N.A. market. America is dominated by capitalism. That means people buy what they see is the most value to them. They don't care where it comes from so much as they are getting the features they want at a price they are willing to pay.

Europe and Japan are a bit less capitalist and a bit more nationalist. They consider where something was made (or WHO made it) a little bit more than North Americans. Buying products from Microsoft outside of the US is a hard sell, because Microsoft = America to non-Americans, and the rest of the world resents (to a degree) that the US is the most successful & prosperous market. Furthermore, Europeans are willing to pay more for products and keep them for longer periods of time. Americans like to constantly update and/or upgrade what they have.

Japan is a little different because Asian culture is different enough to where tastes in products differ enough to become a factor in consumer products.

MrEpyx

I agree. Thats why the auto market is the way it is now in the US.

EXACTLY.. Very good analogy. America could care less about killing its own Auto industry if it means the consumersare getting more for their money. Europe on the other hand, would rather buy crap French cars, or overpriced BMW's to keep themselves employed.

Umm, no, that is not why the American Auto Industry is failing. There are many reasons why it is (too much revenue going towards employee benifits vs. foreign competition, profit per vehicle sold is lower then competition, bad management, horrible quality in the 90's driving people to more brands, etc...), but Nationalism/Capitalism has nothing to do with it.

Ok I've lived all over the world. Europe. Africa. Asia. And of course, North America (both US and Canada).

Its quite easy to understand why Microsoft owns the N.A. market. America is dominated by capitalism. That means people buy what they see is the most value to them. They don't care where it comes from so much as they are getting the features they want at a price they are willing to pay.

Europe and Japan are a bit less capitalist and a bit more nationalist. They consider where something was made (or WHO made it) a little bit more than North Americans. Buying products from Microsoft outside of the US is a hard sell, because Microsoft = America to non-Americans, and the rest of the world resents (to a degree) that the US is the most successful & prosperous market. Furthermore, Europeans are willing to pay more for products and keep them for longer periods of time. Americans like to constantly update and/or upgrade what they have.

Japan is a little different because Asian culture is different enough to where tastes in products differ enough to become a factor in consumer products.

MrEpyx

Capitalist to nationalist? WTF? How do you compare an economy with a socially contracted style of government?????????

This TC is pretty dam accurate and laid out a good case.

He indeed is saying that the buyers in N.A. will buy what they think is the best value regardless of Company or it's country of origin hence why they buy so many Japanese cars that it may just put some car makers in the U.S. outta business.

Sadly, Japan Not So Much....as seen buy the best Gaming console with the best games atm, being snubed in Japan.

Of course IMHO. :)

PS: Nice job TC as I agree- mostly.

SecretPolice

Except there is one wrong premise in his original post, and that is that MS owns the US market, which is false. They have definitely sold the most consoles so far, but the one system that has been dominating the market has been the Wii. Just like the US, which buys based on quality, Europe and Japan buy based on quality.

360 = Shoddy hardware = sluggish sales all year long

Wii = Reliable hardware = incredible sales all year long

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

This TC is pretty dam accurate and laid out a good case.

He indeed is saying that the buyers in N.A. will buy what they think is the best value regardless of Company or it's country of origin hence why they buy so many Japanese cars that it may just put some car makers in the U.S. outta business.

Sadly, Japan Not So Much....as seen buy the best Gaming console with the best games atm, being snubed in Japan.

Of course IMHO. :)

PS: Nice job TC as I agree- mostly.

Zhengi

Except there is one wrong premise in his original post, and that is that MS owns the US market, which is false. They have definitely sold the most consoles so far, but the one system that has been dominating the market has been the Wii. Just like the US, which buys based on quality, Europe and Japan buy based on quality.

360 = Shoddy hardware = sluggish sales all year long

Wii = Reliable hardware = incredible sales all year long

WTF?

The bulk of the 360 hardware is in the U.S., probably about 9 million. The Wii's is in Japan. This counterargument is full of phail.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

This TC is pretty dam accurate and laid out a good case.

He indeed is saying that the buyers in N.A. will buy what they think is the best value regardless of Company or it's country of origin hence why they buy so many Japanese cars that it may just put some car makers in the U.S. outta business.

Sadly, Japan Not So Much....as seen buy the best Gaming console with the best games atm, being snubed in Japan.

Of course IMHO. :)

PS: Nice job TC as I agree- mostly.

Zhengi

Except there is one wrong premise in his original post, and that is that MS owns the US market, which is false. They have definitely sold the most consoles so far, but the one system that has been dominating the market has been the Wii. Just like the US, which buys based on quality, Europe and Japan buy based on quality.

360 = Shoddy hardware = sluggish sales all year long

Wii = Reliable hardware = incredible sales all year long

The Wii is selling to mostly the casual gamer and new gamer and is "Perceived as a great Value " b/c of it's lower price.

Avid gamers in N.A. - on the other hand, are buying the 360 b/c they are a more informed group of gaming hobbyists.

IMO :)

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

This TC is pretty dam accurate and laid out a good case.

He indeed is saying that the buyers in N.A. will buy what they think is the best value regardless of Company or it's country of origin hence why they buy so many Japanese cars that it may just put some car makers in the U.S. outta business.

Sadly, Japan Not So Much....as seen buy the best Gaming console with the best games atm, being snubed in Japan.

Of course IMHO. :)

PS: Nice job TC as I agree- mostly.

usmcjdk6

Except there is one wrong premise in his original post, and that is that MS owns the US market, which is false. They have definitely sold the most consoles so far, but the one system that has been dominating the market has been the Wii. Just like the US, which buys based on quality, Europe and Japan buy based on quality.

360 = Shoddy hardware = sluggish sales all year long

Wii = Reliable hardware = incredible sales all year long

WTF?

The bulk of the 360 hardware is in the U.S., probably about 9 million. The Wii's is in Japan. This counterargument is full of phail.

Nobody said that the bulk of the 360 hardware is not in the US. How is that a fail when I didn't even say that? Perhaps your reading comprehension is full of fail.

[QUOTE="usmcjdk6"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

This TC is pretty dam accurate and laid out a good case.

He indeed is saying that the buyers in N.A. will buy what they think is the best value regardless of Company or it's country of origin hence why they buy so many Japanese cars that it may just put some car makers in the U.S. outta business.

Sadly, Japan Not So Much....as seen buy the best Gaming console with the best games atm, being snubed in Japan.

Of course IMHO. :)

PS: Nice job TC as I agree- mostly.

Zhengi

Except there is one wrong premise in his original post, and that is that MS owns the US market, which is false. They have definitely sold the most consoles so far, but the one system that has been dominating the market has been the Wii. Just like the US, which buys based on quality, Europe and Japan buy based on quality.

360 = Shoddy hardware = sluggish sales all year long

Wii = Reliable hardware = incredible sales all year long

WTF?

The bulk of the 360 hardware is in the U.S., probably about 9 million. The Wii's is in Japan. This counterargument is full of phail.

Nobody said that the bulk of the 360 hardware is not in the US. How is that a fail when I didn't even say that? Perhaps your reading comprehension is full of fail.

You cite the U.S. Market. Then you state the Wii is dominating the market. It's selling like hotcakes, but it's not #1 in America yet.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

This TC is pretty dam accurate and laid out a good case.

He indeed is saying that the buyers in N.A. will buy what they think is the best value regardless of Company or it's country of origin hence why they buy so many Japanese cars that it may just put some car makers in the U.S. outta business.

Sadly, Japan Not So Much....as seen buy the best Gaming console with the best games atm, being snubed in Japan.

Of course IMHO. :)

PS: Nice job TC as I agree- mostly.

SecretPolice

Except there is one wrong premise in his original post, and that is that MS owns the US market, which is false. They have definitely sold the most consoles so far, but the one system that has been dominating the market has been the Wii. Just like the US, which buys based on quality, Europe and Japan buy based on quality.

360 = Shoddy hardware = sluggish sales all year long

Wii = Reliable hardware = incredible sales all year long

The Wii is selling to mostly the casual gamer and new gamer and is "Perceived as a great Value " b/c of it's lower price.

Avid gamers in N.A. - on the other hand, are buying the 360 b/c they are a more informed group of gaming hobbyists.

IMO :)

The hardcore gamers are definitely leaning more towards the 360 at this point in time, but it also doesn't mean that casuals and new gamers don't perceive the Wii as a great value. If the 360 was indeed worth its value, the core package would be outselling the Wii right now. It's only $20 more and yet the 360 hasn't overtaken the Wii (except for the month of September).

So that tells me that in some ways, casuals and new gamers perceive that the Wii is better both in terms of price and their overall satisfaction. In essence, the US, Europe, and Japan see the Wii as a worthy purchase and the sales have reflected this throughout the year.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

This TC is pretty dam accurate and laid out a good case.

He indeed is saying that the buyers in N.A. will buy what they think is the best value regardless of Company or it's country of origin hence why they buy so many Japanese cars that it may just put some car makers in the U.S. outta business.

Sadly, Japan Not So Much....as seen buy the best Gaming console with the best games atm, being snubed in Japan.

Of course IMHO. :)

PS: Nice job TC as I agree- mostly.

Zhengi

Except there is one wrong premise in his original post, and that is that MS owns the US market, which is false. They have definitely sold the most consoles so far, but the one system that has been dominating the market has been the Wii. Just like the US, which buys based on quality, Europe and Japan buy based on quality.

360 = Shoddy hardware = sluggish sales all year long

Wii = Reliable hardware = incredible sales all year long

The Wii is selling to mostly the casual gamer and new gamer and is "Perceived as a great Value " b/c of it's lower price.

Avid gamers in N.A. - on the other hand, are buying the 360 b/c they are a more informed group of gaming hobbyists.

IMO :)

The hardcore gamers are definitely leaning more towards the 360 at this point in time, but it also doesn't mean that casuals and new gamers don't perceive the Wii as a great value. If the 360 was indeed worth its value, the core package would be outselling the Wii right now. It's only $20 more and yet the 360 hasn't overtaken the Wii (except for the month of September).

So that tells me that in some ways, casuals and new gamers perceive that the Wii is better both in terms of price and their overall satisfaction. In essence, the US, Europe, and Japan see the Wii as a worthy purchase and the sales have reflected this throughout the year.

The wii sells because people want it. Its not really much more complicated than that. The wii also has many games that cater to the Japanese and European markets while the xbox 360 hasnt had a big hit in Japan and has only had moderate success in Europe. Plus alot of casuals dont know anything about xbox 360 games not named Halo.

You cite the U.S. Market. Then you state the Wii is dominating the market. It's selling like hotcakes, but it's not #1 in America yet.usmcjdk6

Just like how a few months ago we were talking about MS being the worldwide leader in consoles and how the Wii will eventually overtake it, the same thing will happen in the US. After almost being 11 months since the launch of the Wii, the console continues to be virtually sold out everywhere. If that isn't dominating, then I'm not sure what is.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Zhengi"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

This TC is pretty dam accurate and laid out a good case.

He indeed is saying that the buyers in N.A. will buy what they think is the best value regardless of Company or it's country of origin hence why they buy so many Japanese cars that it may just put some car makers in the U.S. outta business.

Sadly, Japan Not So Much....as seen buy the best Gaming console with the best games atm, being snubed in Japan.

Of course IMHO. :)

PS: Nice job TC as I agree- mostly.

Zhengi

Except there is one wrong premise in his original post, and that is that MS owns the US market, which is false. They have definitely sold the most consoles so far, but the one system that has been dominating the market has been the Wii. Just like the US, which buys based on quality, Europe and Japan buy based on quality.

360 = Shoddy hardware = sluggish sales all year long

Wii = Reliable hardware = incredible sales all year long

The Wii is selling to mostly the casual gamer and new gamer and is "Perceived as a great Value " b/c of it's lower price.

Avid gamers in N.A. - on the other hand, are buying the 360 b/c they are a more informed group of gaming hobbyists.

IMO :)

The hardcore gamers are definitely leaning more towards the 360 at this point in time, but it also doesn't mean thatcasuals and new gamers don't perceive the Wii as a great value. If the 360 was indeed worth its value,the core package would be outselling the Wii right now. It's only $20 more and yet the 360 hasn't overtaken the Wii (except for the month of September).

So that tells me that in some ways, casuals and new gamers perceive that the Wii is better both in terms of price and their overall satisfaction. In essence, the US, Europe, and Japan see the Wii as a worthy purchase and the sales have reflected this throughout the year.

A wise man once told me" Perception is more powerful then truth many times " and going forward through my life I have learned he was very wise indeed.

Japan and every nation in Europe is capitalistic, intensely so.

I believethe X360succeeds in the the US because the games are heavilyorientated towards the tastes of US gamers- namely racing and shooting. I find that generally US gamers prefer action, violence, speed and other typically machismo pastimes. Japan seems less open to these types of game.I find Europe to be a halfway house between the two, although increasingly become more Americanised in taste. The PS3 is similarly a halfway house between the 360 and Wii in terms of software so it does not surprise me to see it being more successful in Europe.

Not that I mean to paint gamers of any nation or continent with this observation, but to me that is the broad picture of things.

NA(approx)

Wii: 4.5 million

360: 8 million

ps3: 2.5 million

It will probably take the wii well into 2009 to overtake the 360 in NA

NA(approx)

Wii: 4.5 million

360: 8 million

ps3: 2.5 million

It will probably take the wii well into 2009 to overtake the 360 in NA

GunSmith1_basic

NPD Monthly Console Hardware Sales

Month      |    360    |    PS3    |    Wii    
Nov/2005   |   326,000 |           |     
Dec/2005   |   281,000 |           |  
Jan/2006   |   250,000 |           | 
Feb/2006   |   161,000 |           | 
Mar/2006   |   192,000 |           | 
Apr/2006   |   295,000 |           | 
May/2006   |   221,000 |           |  
Jun/2006   |   277,000 |           |  
Jul/2006   |   207,000 |           |  
Aug/2006   |   205,000 |           | 
Sep/2006   |   259,000 |           | 
Oct/2006   |   218,000 |           | 
Nov/2006   |   511,000 |   197,000 |   476,000
Dec/2006   | 1,100,000 |   491,000 |   604,000 
Jan/2007   |   294,000 |   244,000 |   436,000 
Feb/2007   |   228,000 |   127,000 |   335,000
Mar/2007   |   199,000 |   130,000 |   259,000 
Apr/2007   |   174,000 |    82,000 |   360,000
May/2007   |   155,000 |    82,000 |   338,000
Jun/2007   |   198,000 |    99,000 |   382,000
Jul/2007   |   170,000 |   159,000 |   425,000 
Aug/2007   |   277,000 |   131,000 |   404,000
Sep/2007   |   528,000 |   119,000 |   501,000
Total      | 6,726,000 | 1,860,000 | 4,520,000

[QUOTE="usmcjdk6"]You cite the U.S. Market. Then you state the Wii is dominating the market. It's selling like hotcakes, but it's not #1 in America yet.Zhengi

Just like how a few months ago we were talking about MS being the worldwide leader in consoles and how the Wii will eventually overtake it, the same thing will happen in the US. After almost being 11 months since the launch of the Wii, the console continues to be virtually sold out everywhere. If that isn't dominating, then I'm not sure what is.

Okay, then restate your argument a year from now when in a NORTH AMERICA THREAD, Wii is dominating in NORTH AMERICA.

!!!NPD Monthly Console Hardware Sales since Nov 06!!!

Month      |    360    |    PS3    |    Wii   
Nov/2006   |   511,000 |   197,000 |   476,000
Dec/2006   | 1,100,000 |   491,000 |   604,000 
Jan/2007   |   294,000 |   244,000 |   436,000 
Feb/2007   |   228,000 |   127,000 |   335,000
Mar/2007   |   199,000 |   130,000 |   259,000 
Apr/2007   |   174,000 |    82,000 |   360,000
May/2007   |   155,000 |    82,000 |   338,000
Jun/2007   |   198,000 |    99,000 |   382,000
Jul/2007   |   170,000 |   159,000 |   425,000 
Aug/2007   |   277,000 |   131,000 |   404,000
Sep/2007   |   528,000 |   119,000 |   501,000
Total      | 3,834,000 | 1,860,000 | 4,520,000
So... What was this dominating that you spoke of?

These threads have a lot of logic in them. But if we look back in history a little bit Japan was able to put big US companies out of business before, look at the Harley Davison motorcyle company. It was put out of business by Honda several years ago the only reason that Harley Davison is still around is it was bought out by a foregin company that kept the name alive.

As for most American consumers they will buy into just about anything, that's why many scams are pulled off in the US so easy.

Hey Zhengi, thanks for posting the sales. Now time for:

!!!NPD Monthly Console Hardware Sales since Nov 06!!!

Month      |    360    |    PS3    |    Wii   
Nov/2006   |   511,000 |   197,000 |   476,000
Dec/2006   | 1,100,000 |   491,000 |   604,000 
Jan/2007   |   294,000 |   244,000 |   436,000 
Feb/2007   |   228,000 |   127,000 |   335,000
Mar/2007   |   199,000 |   130,000 |   259,000 
Apr/2007   |   174,000 |    82,000 |   360,000
May/2007   |   155,000 |    82,000 |   338,000
Jun/2007   |   198,000 |    99,000 |   382,000
Jul/2007   |   170,000 |   159,000 |   425,000 
Aug/2007   |   277,000 |   131,000 |   404,000
Sep/2007   |   528,000 |   119,000 |   501,000
Total      | 3,834,000 | 1,860,000 | 4,520,000
So... What was this dominating that you spoke of?

dexter111344

I don't think anyone's suprised that Nintendo had a good year,those monthly wins allowed Nintendo to bring their numbers up, but I think September is the start of the reverse affect. Watch from here on out how Microsoft plays hardball.

NPD Numbers for Sept (& total since release)

• Microsoft Xbox 360: 527.8K (6.8 million total)
• Nintendo Wii: 501K (4.5 million total)
• Nintendo DS: 495.8K (13.2 million total)
• Sony PlayStation 2: 215K (39.3 million total)
• Sony PSP: 284.5K (8.6 million total)
• Sony PlayStation 3: 119.4K (1.87 million total) :lol:

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and the games of Sept.

• Halo 3 (all three SKUs - Xbox 360) - 3.3 million
• Wii Play w/ remote (Wii) - 282K
• Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS) - 224K
• Madden NFL 08 (PS2) - 205K
• Skate (Xbox 360) - 175K
• Madden NFL 08 (Xbox 360) - 173K
• Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Wii) - 167K
• BioShock (Xbox 360) - 150K
• Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day (DS) - 141K
• Heavenly Sword (PS3) - 139K :lol:

maby the first year ps3 sales are really close to the first year 360 sales(they are) and people are way to quick to claim 360 as a competition that hasent even really started. you will see how things go after this holiday and early 08.

there are still alot of ps2s out there waiting to upgrade

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="MrEpyx"][QUOTE="AgileNate"][QUOTE="MrEpyx"]

Ok I've lived all over the world. Europe. Africa. Asia. And of course, North America (both US and Canada).

Its quite easy to understand why Microsoft owns the N.A. market. America is dominated by capitalism. That means people buy what they see is the most value to them. They don't care where it comes from so much as they are getting the features they want at a price they are willing to pay.

Europe and Japan are a bit less capitalist and a bit more nationalist. They consider where something was made (or WHO made it) a little bit more than North Americans. Buying products from Microsoft outside of the US is a hard sell, because Microsoft = America to non-Americans, and the rest of the world resents (to a degree) that the US is the most successful & prosperous market. Furthermore, Europeans are willing to pay more for products and keep them for longer periods of time. Americans like to constantly update and/or upgrade what they have.

Japan is a little different because Asian culture is different enough to where tastes in products differ enough to become a factor in consumer products.

SecretPolice

I agree. Thats why the auto market is the way it is now in the US.

EXACTLY.. Very good analogy. America could care less about killing its own Auto industry if it means the consumersare getting more for their money. Europe on the other hand, would rather buy crap French cars, or overpriced BMW's to keep themselves employed.

American cars are no better than french cars. Besides atleast French cars are the safest vehicles on the road.

edit: wait.... were you being sarcastic? It sure sounds like it sorry :P

He indeed is saying that the buyers in N.A. will buy what they think is the best value regardless of Company or it's country of origin hence why they buy so many Japanese cars that it may just put some car makers in the U.S. outta business.

Sadly, Japan Not So Much....as seen buy the best Gaming console with the best games atm, being snubed in Japan.

Of course IMHO. :)

PS: Nice job TC as I agree- mostly.

Oh okay, Now I understand his comment. Still his comment shouldn't be directed towards Europe, We don't buy American products because we generally think they s*ck. Japan is doing very well here in Europe, with the toyota prius being a best-seller.

Hey Zhengi, thanks for posting the sales. Now time for:

!!!NPD Monthly Console Hardware Sales since Nov 06!!!

Month      |    360    |    PS3    |    Wii   
Nov/2006   |   511,000 |   197,000 |   476,000
Dec/2006   | 1,100,000 |   491,000 |   604,000 
Jan/2007   |   294,000 |   244,000 |   436,000 
Feb/2007   |   228,000 |   127,000 |   335,000
Mar/2007   |   199,000 |   130,000 |   259,000 
Apr/2007   |   174,000 |    82,000 |   360,000
May/2007   |   155,000 |    82,000 |   338,000
Jun/2007   |   198,000 |    99,000 |   382,000
Jul/2007   |   170,000 |   159,000 |   425,000 
Aug/2007   |   277,000 |   131,000 |   404,000
Sep/2007   |   528,000 |   119,000 |   501,000
Total      | 3,834,000 | 1,860,000 | 4,520,000
So... What was this dominating that you spoke of?

dexter111344

If you're looking at it from launch date for the other two consoles, then you can see that the 360 was already established, but the numbers are skewed in favor of the 360 since it's a fact that almost half the sales of consoles happens during Nov and Dec. Therefore, since the 360 had more supply, they were able to sell quite a lot of consoles.

But if you're looking at it for YTD, then you get these numbers:

Xbox 360 = 2,223,000

PS3 = 1,172,000

Wii = 3,440,000

The difference is more signficant (1 million+ units difference) in terms of sales and this was the first time they were really on equal footing selling against each other. Now you'll probably have issue with this, so I'll use your numbers.

For a console that just started out versus one that had a year of advantage, those numbers you showed aren't looking too good. At the rate the Wii is selling, the Wii will pass the 360 in the US by next year. If that isn't dominating, then what is? Unless you agree with the TC and think that MS dominates the US market with those types of numbers.

[QUOTE="dexter111344"]Hey Zhengi, thanks for posting the sales. Now time for:

!!!NPD Monthly Console Hardware Sales since Nov 06!!!

Month      |    360    |    PS3    |    Wii   
Nov/2006   |   511,000 |   197,000 |   476,000
Dec/2006   | 1,100,000 |   491,000 |   604,000 
Jan/2007   |   294,000 |   244,000 |   436,000 
Feb/2007   |   228,000 |   127,000 |   335,000
Mar/2007   |   199,000 |   130,000 |   259,000 
Apr/2007   |   174,000 |    82,000 |   360,000
May/2007   |   155,000 |    82,000 |   338,000
Jun/2007   |   198,000 |    99,000 |   382,000
Jul/2007   |   170,000 |   159,000 |   425,000 
Aug/2007   |   277,000 |   131,000 |   404,000
Sep/2007   |   528,000 |   119,000 |   501,000
Total      | 3,834,000 | 1,860,000 | 4,520,000
So... What was this dominating that you spoke of?

c_smithii

I don't think anyone's suprised that Nintendo had a good year,those monthly wins allowed Nintendo to bring their numbers up, but I think September is the start of the reverse affect. Watch from here on out how Microsoft plays hardball.

NPD Numbers for Sept (& total since release)

• Microsoft Xbox 360: 527.8K (6.8 million total)
• Nintendo Wii: 501K (4.5 million total)
• Nintendo DS: 495.8K (13.2 million total)
• Sony PlayStation 2: 215K (39.3 million total)
• Sony PSP: 284.5K (8.6 million total)
• Sony PlayStation 3: 119.4K (1.87 million total) :lol:

- -

and the games of Sept.

• Halo 3 (all three SKUs - Xbox 360) - 3.3 million
• Wii Play w/ remote (Wii) - 282K
• Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS) - 224K
• Madden NFL 08 (PS2) - 205K
• Skate (Xbox 360) - 175K
• Madden NFL 08 (Xbox 360) - 173K
• Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Wii) - 167K
• BioShock (Xbox 360) - 150K
• Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day (DS) - 141K
• Heavenly Sword (PS3) - 139K :lol:

It really depends on what you mean by reverse effect. If you're saying that the console will sell more than its previous months of this year, then there's definitely that opportunity. However, if you're talking about reversing their fortunes enough to surpass the Wii, then imo, I don't think this is possible.

The reason for my thinking is two fold. If you look at the month to month numbers, Wii has not fallen below 200k in any month, even during the summer where traditionally consoles don't sell as well. The 360 has had under 200k months 5 times and never really broke 300k units sold except for September. In order for a system to win the sales war, it needs to sell consistently at high numbers. Judging by those, I really don't see the 360 being able to sustain such high sales.

The other reason is more related to games. The 360 has had some pretty big games and that has certainly helped its sales. The only problem is that sales from system sellers will have effect for a few weeks or months. Unless a company is able to pump out system sellers consistently every month, they won't see their numbers selling high over a long period of time. Now consider the Wii. It's selling at a very crazy rate and it's virtually sold out everywhere. This is without the console's system sellers in SMG and SSBB. If this is the Wii's normal selling level, adding those system sellers will keep the numbers selling high and there seems little possibility for the sales to dip below those of their competitors.

[QUOTE="c_smithii"][QUOTE="dexter111344"]Hey Zhengi, thanks for posting the sales. Now time for:

!!!NPD Monthly Console Hardware Sales since Nov 06!!!

Month | 360 | PS3 | Wii 
Nov/2006   |   511,000 |   197,000 |   476,000
Dec/2006   | 1,100,000 |   491,000 |   604,000 
Jan/2007   |   294,000 |   244,000 |   436,000 
Feb/2007   |   228,000 |   127,000 |   335,000
Mar/2007   |   199,000 |   130,000 |   259,000 
Apr/2007   |   174,000 |    82,000 |   360,000
May/2007   |   155,000 |    82,000 |   338,000
Jun/2007   |   198,000 |    99,000 |   382,000
Jul/2007   |   170,000 |   159,000 |   425,000 
Aug/2007   |   277,000 |   131,000 |   404,000
Sep/2007 | 528,000 | 119,000 | 501,000
Total      | 3,834,000 | 1,860,000 | 4,520,000
So... What was this dominating that you spoke of?

Zhengi

I don't think anyone's suprised that Nintendo had a good year,those monthly wins allowed Nintendo to bring their numbers up, but I think September is the start of the reverse affect. Watch from here on out how Microsoft plays hardball.

NPD Numbers for Sept (& total since release)

• Microsoft Xbox 360: 527.8K (6.8 million total)
• Nintendo Wii: 501K (4.5 million total)
• Nintendo DS: 495.8K (13.2 million total)
• Sony PlayStation 2: 215K (39.3 million total)
• Sony PSP: 284.5K (8.6 million total)
• Sony PlayStation 3: 119.4K (1.87 million total) :lol:

- -

and the games of Sept.

• Halo 3 (all three SKUs - Xbox 360) - 3.3 million
• Wii Play w/ remote (Wii) - 282K
• Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (DS) - 224K
• Madden NFL 08 (PS2) - 205K
• Skate (Xbox 360) - 175K
• Madden NFL 08 (Xbox 360) - 173K
• Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Wii) - 167K
• BioShock (Xbox 360) - 150K
• Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day (DS) - 141K
• Heavenly Sword (PS3) - 139K :lol:

It really depends on what you mean by reverse effect. If you're saying that the console will sell more than its previous months of this year, then there's definitely that opportunity. However, if you're talking about reversing their fortunes enough to surpass the Wii, then imo, I don't think this is possible.

The reason for my thinking is two fold. If you look at the month to month numbers, Wii has not fallen below 200k in any month, even during the summer where traditionally consoles don't sell as well. The 360 has had under 200k months 5 times and never really broke 300k units sold except for September. In order for a system to win the sales war, it needs to sell consistently at high numbers. Judging by those, I really don't see the 360 being able to sustain such high sales.

The other reason is more related to games. The 360 has had some pretty big games and that has certainly helped its sales. The only problem is that sales from system sellers will have effect for a few weeks or months. Unless a company is able to pump out system sellers consistently every month, they won't see their numbers selling high over a long period of time. Now consider the Wii. It's selling at a very crazy rate and it's virtually sold out everywhere. This is without the console's system sellers in SMG and SSBB. If this is the Wii's normal selling level, adding those system sellers will keep the numbers selling high and there seems little possibility for the sales to dip below those of their competitors.

The 360 had it's launch and was over a year old yet pretty much doubled the sales of the two NEW arrivals.

Now consider the phenom that is Halo 3 along with the highly anticipated RPG Mass Effect, throw in the AAA's like Forza 2 & Bioshock & new arrival AA PGR4- this year in Dec. - I honesty think the previous effort will be doubled.

Thats right - I'm thinking about 2 mil in Dec. alone !

We shall see.