Why Nintendo is doing a disservice to hardcore gamers...

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="Ontain"]I have an HDTV and a Surround sound system. I still like my wii and still play it almost every day. if you're a gamer that needs to play 5+ hours a day it might not be for you. I have a pc for my other gaming needs (RPG's and MMORPGs). but I find that when you want to play with others the wii is great. I'm waiting for better games and i'm sure they'll eventually come. I've played red steel and thought it was pretty fun. they just needed a lot more fine tuning on bugs, ai and story. but it did keep in glued to my couch for a few hours at a time.Dr_DudeMan

[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="YellowPik"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="YellowPik"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="WIIRUS"]Your just a graphics whore. Bad graphics shouldnt stop you from playing a good game. oh, and TP is beautifulaxt113

[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"]They also don't have much visual appeal because all but Nintendo's first party art is bland and limited by weak hardware.
YellowPik

Wait, what? :?

Paper Mario, Wario Ware, Mario Galaxy, Metriod Prime 3. Need any more? Paper Mario alone is enough to prove that point wrong.

It's obvious that you just don't like the Wii at this point. You'll only be able to see what you want to. I would suggest to try and look at these games in a fair light, but to each his own.

[QUOTE="OMGTEHGRUKWTF"][QUOTE="axt113"]Sorry dude, Hardcore is a small segment of the market, there will still be games for them, but the blue ocean strategy of Nintendo is about much more, as for grpahics, if you can't stand SD level graphics then I feel sorry for you coolviper2003

That makes no sense.

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="TSCombo"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="TSCombo"]So this is another, "I wish the Wii looked like the 360" thread? Twilight Princess was bad...:?Dr_DudeMan

To start I owned the 360 before getting the wii. Nonetheless, I was still pumped for Nintendo's "revolutionary" system. Don't get me wrong, the console is fun, but not nearly as fun as it is made out to be and it gets tremendously boring.

I used to defend the wii on these forums and now I feel like a sheep for being a blind fool. For any hardcore gamer with a nice tv and surround sound system rig, the wii is aweful. Not only is the sound horrendous, but it looks worse in HD then in SD in most cases. I find myself having way more fun playing my 360 in full hd and 7.1 digital optical surround sound. With the wii, I felt like I was back at the beginning of last gen, which resulted in it collecting dust as I continued to play my 360. About 3 months after getting it I traded my wii for a PS3.

Honestly, I am extremely glad I did. Nintendo games just don't have the longetivity that xbox live and PSN bring to games. They also don't have much visual appeal because all but Nintendo's first party art (to those color lovers, art doesn't necessarily mean painting a game in a rainbow) is bland and limited by weak hardware. I don't care if casuals and kids are dumb enough to buy the wii, and if the wii wins because of this, the 360 and even ps3 are still better consoles.

Finally, the reason I say that Nintendo did a disservice to the hardcore gamer, is because we want to be wowed by our games and stay addicted, where as kids and casuals want to flail their arms around like idiots for a couple hours instead of just going outside and playing sports, etc. I have been gaming for over 20 years, and I LOVE zelda and I could not even finish Twilight Princess. It was frustratingly easy, and actually looked worse in HD then in SD. Sorry Nintendo but that is not what I, and most tech savy folk are looking for. Congrats on getting back to the top and bringing more gamers in, but next time don't leave all of us hardcore adult gamers (and no I am not asking for mature games, I am asking for more challenging games with more longetivity) out in the cold.

Edit: What peeved me off at the start was that Nintendo put a wireless card in the wii that costs nearly $100 whereas they could have put a $10 LAN port in and used the remainder of the money towards hardware. I am sure that the wii could have been a nice little 720p console with amazing visuals had they done this, and in doing this they also alienate all the casuals who do not have wireless.
Dr_DudeMan

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="TSCombo"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="TSCombo"]So this is another, "I wish the Wii looked like the 360" thread? Twilight Princess was bad...:?Dr_DudeMan

[QUOTE="OMGTEHGRUKWTF"][QUOTE="axt113"]Sorry dude, Hardcore is a small segment of the market, there will still be games for them, but the blue ocean strategy of Nintendo is about much more, as for grpahics, if you can't stand SD level graphics then I feel sorry for you coolviper2003

[QUOTE="WIIRUS"]Your just a graphics whore. Bad graphics shouldnt stop you from playing a good game. oh, and TP is beautifulBread_or_Decide

But the best games also have good graphics (depending on what it is trying to accomplish).

So quit with the "Graphics whore" stuff already.

If a game has such terrible graphics that you can't make out objects or see where your going then you can't possibly play it now can you? So I guess graphics do count for something eh?

NO game will have graphics so bad that you can't play it.  NONE.  That's how far technology has advanced.  You don't need good graphics. 

[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="Ontain"]I have an HDTV and a Surround sound system. I still like my wii and still play it almost every day. if you're a gamer that needs to play 5+ hours a day it might not be for you. I have a pc for my other gaming needs (RPG's and MMORPGs). but I find that when you want to play with others the wii is great. I'm waiting for better games and i'm sure they'll eventually come. I've played red steel and thought it was pretty fun. they just needed a lot more fine tuning on bugs, ai and story. but it did keep in glued to my couch for a few hours at a time.axt113

24 hours in a day. Thats a lot of time. 7 hours sleep, 7 hours school, leaves 10 hours to hang out with fiance, friends, and game away.Dr_DudeMan

EDIT: Sorry I didnt read the whole of your first post. I thought you were just another "nintendo is killing the industry" people.

I like the idea of the wiimote, but I would also like if simple controls didnt mean that we will have to put up with simple gameplay/difficulty. I'm sure this wont be the case with all games but I would still not be too happy if it is only the minority of games that offer deep gameplay.

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="YellowPik"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="YellowPik"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="WIIRUS"]Your just a graphics whore. Bad graphics shouldnt stop you from playing a good game. oh, and TP is beautifulDr_DudeMan

[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"]They also don't have much visual appeal because all but Nintendo's first party art is bland and limited by weak hardware.
YellowPik

Wait, what? :?

Paper Mario, Wario Ware, Mario Galaxy, Metriod Prime 3. Need any more? Paper Mario alone is enough to prove that point wrong.

It's obvious that you just don't like the Wii at this point. You'll only be able to see what you want to. I would suggest to try and look at these games in a fair light, but to each his own.

Being a graphics whore does NOT make you a "hardcore gamer" it simply makes you a graphics whore that is probably into tech more than anything. The people that are really into games or the so called "hardcore gamers" are going back to the SNES every week to play games they love.Coldplay07

I smell fakeboy here.

He claimed to have camped out for TWO DAYS (I camped out for 12hrs for my Wii) and after two months, he trades in his Wii? :roll:

Yeah....fakeboy indeed.

LosDaddie

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="Ontain"]I have an HDTV and a Surround sound system. I still like my wii and still play it almost every day. if you're a gamer that needs to play 5+ hours a day it might not be for you. I have a pc for my other gaming needs (RPG's and MMORPGs). but I find that when you want to play with others the wii is great. I'm waiting for better games and i'm sure they'll eventually come. I've played red steel and thought it was pretty fun. they just needed a lot more fine tuning on bugs, ai and story. but it did keep in glued to my couch for a few hours at a time.Dr_DudeMan

To start I owned the 360 before getting the wii. Nonetheless, I was still pumped for Nintendo's "revolutionary" system. Don't get me wrong, the console is fun, but not nearly as fun as it is made out to be and it gets tremendously boring.

I used to defend the wii on these forums and now I feel like a sheep for being a blind fool. For any hardcore gamer with a nice tv and surround sound system rig, the wii is aweful.  Not only is the sound horrendous, but it looks worse in HD then in SD in most cases. I find myself having way more fun playing my 360 in full hd and 7.1 digital optical surround sound. With the wii, I felt like I was back at the beginning of last gen, which resulted in it collecting dust as I continued to play my 360. About 3 months after getting it I traded my wii for a PS3.

Honestly, I am extremely glad I did. Nintendo games just don't have the longetivity that xbox live and PSN bring to games. They also don't have much visual appeal because all but Nintendo's first party art (to those color lovers, art doesn't necessarily mean painting a game in a rainbow) is bland and limited by weak hardware. I don't care if casuals and kids are dumb enough to buy the wii, and if the wii wins because of this, the 360 and even ps3 are still better consoles.

Finally, the reason I say that Nintendo did a disservice to the hardcore gamer, is because we want to be wowed by our games and stay addicted, where as kids and casuals want to flail their arms around like idiots for a couple hours instead of just going outside and playing sports, etc. I have been gaming for over 20 years, and I LOVE zelda and I could not even finish Twilight Princess. It was frustratingly easy, and actually looked worse in HD then in SD. Sorry Nintendo but that is not what I, and most tech savy folk are looking for. Congrats on getting back to the top and bringing more gamers in, but next time don't leave all of us hardcore adult gamers (and no I am not asking for mature games, I am asking for more challenging games with more longetivity) out in the cold.

Edit:  What peeved me off at the start was that Nintendo put a wireless card in the wii that costs nearly $100 whereas they could have put a $10 LAN port in and used the remainder of the money towards hardware.  I am sure that the wii could have been a nice little 720p console with amazing visuals had they done this, and in doing this they also alienate all the casuals who do not have wireless.
Dr_DudeMan

[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="TSCombo"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="TSCombo"]So this is another, "I wish the Wii looked like the 360" thread? Twilight Princess was bad...:?TSCombo

[QUOTE="Coldplay07"]Being a graphics whore does NOT make you a "hardcore gamer" it simply makes you a graphics whore that is probably into tech more than anything. The people that are really into games or the so called "hardcore gamers" are going back to the SNES every week to play games they love.Dr_DudeMan

[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="TSCombo"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="TSCombo"]So this is another, "I wish the Wii looked like the 360" thread? Twilight Princess was bad...:?axt113

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

I smell fakeboy here.

He claimed to have camped out for TWO DAYS (I camped out for 12hrs for my Wii) and after two months, he trades in his Wii? :roll:

Yeah....fakeboy indeed.

Dr_DudeMan

Either way, I still don't believe you.

Just say that you want a high-end console with hardcore games. Obviously, you spend most of your free-time gaming and not socializing with your peers.

Therefore, the Wii is not for you.

[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"]24 hours in a day. Thats a lot of time. 7 hours sleep, 7 hours school, leaves 10 hours to hang out with fiance, friends, and game away.Jandurin

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="TSCombo"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="TSCombo"]So this is another, "I wish the Wii looked like the 360" thread? Twilight Princess was bad...:?Dr_DudeMan

im the realest hardcore gamer there is. i still freaking play the original GB games, and enjoy it. i like looking at fancy graphics, but i know what gaming is all about, and it isnt all about fancy graphics. my eyes still pop out when i see graphics on the N64. hardcore games are gamers who can play and injoy any good game, no matter how the graphics are. to me hardcore games are definily gamers who grew up with the gaming industry. Rahnyc4

To start I owned the 360 before getting the wii. Nonetheless, I was still pumped for Nintendo's "revolutionary" system. Don't get me wrong, the console is fun, but not nearly as fun as it is made out to be and it gets tremendously boring.

I used to defend the wii on these forums and now I feel like a sheep for being a blind fool. For any hardcore gamer with a nice tv and surround sound system rig, the wii is aweful. Not only is the sound horrendous, but it looks worse in HD then in SD in most cases. I find myself having way more fun playing my 360 in full hd and 7.1 digital optical surround sound. With the wii, I felt like I was back at the beginning of last gen, which resulted in it collecting dust as I continued to play my 360. About 3 months after getting it I traded my wii for a PS3.

Honestly, I am extremely glad I did. Nintendo games just don't have the longetivity that xbox live and PSN bring to games. They also don't have much visual appeal because all but Nintendo's first party art (to those color lovers, art doesn't necessarily mean painting a game in a rainbow) is bland and limited by weak hardware. I don't care if casuals and kids are dumb enough to buy the wii, and if the wii wins because of this, the 360 and even ps3 are still better consoles.

Finally, the reason I say that Nintendo did a disservice to the hardcore gamer, is because we want to be wowed by our games and stay addicted, where as kids and casuals want to flail their arms around like idiots for a couple hours instead of just going outside and playing sports, etc. I have been gaming for over 20 years, and I LOVE zelda and I could not even finish Twilight Princess. It was frustratingly easy, and actually looked worse in HD then in SD. Sorry Nintendo but that is not what I, and most tech savy folk are looking for. Congrats on getting back to the top and bringing more gamers in, but next time don't leave all of us hardcore adult gamers (and no I am not asking for mature games, I am asking for more challenging games with more longetivity) out in the cold.

Edit: What peeved me off at the start was that Nintendo put a wireless card in the wii that costs nearly $100 whereas they could have put a $10 LAN port in and used the remainder of the money towards hardware. I am sure that the wii could have been a nice little 720p console with amazing visuals had they done this, and in doing this they also alienate all the casuals who do not have wireless.
Dr_DudeMan

Read what I write for christ sake. I said zelda looked good, I couldnt finish it because it wasnt challenging and it got boring since there was no sense of accomplishment, and I got all the way to sky temple which from my understanding is the final leg of the game.Dr_DudeMan

EDIT: Sorry I didnt read the whole of your first post. I thought you were just another "nintendo is killing the industry" people.

I like the idea of the wiimote, but I would also like if simple controls didnt mean that we will have to put up with simple gameplay/difficulty. I'm sure this wont be the case with all games but I would still not be too happy if it is only the minority of games that offer deep gameplay.

donaldo1989

All you need is 7-8 hours, and heres a hint for the future. Adults eat when they hang out. They go out to restaurants, bars, etc...and in the process eat and hang out.Dr_DudeMan

[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="YellowPik"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="YellowPik"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="WIIRUS"]Your just a graphics whore. Bad graphics shouldnt stop you from playing a good game. oh, and TP is beautifulaxt113

[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"]They also don't have much visual appeal because all but Nintendo's first party art is bland and limited by weak hardware.
YellowPik

Wait, what? :?

Paper Mario, Wario Ware, Mario Galaxy, Metriod Prime 3. Need any more? Paper Mario alone is enough to prove that point wrong.

It's obvious that you just don't like the Wii at this point. You'll only be able to see what you want to. I would suggest to try and look at these games in a fair light, but to each his own.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="WIIRUS"]Your just a graphics whore. Bad graphics shouldnt stop you from playing a good game. oh, and TP is beautifulTwo400

But the best games also have good graphics (depending on what it is trying to accomplish).

So quit with the "Graphics whore" stuff already.

If a game has such terrible graphics that you can't make out objects or see where your going then you can't possibly play it now can you? So I guess graphics do count for something eh?

NO game will have graphics so bad that you can't play it.  NONE.  That's how far technology has advanced.  You don't need good graphics. 

Do me a favor, never work in the video game industry. Thanks.

In fact, don't ever work in anything that requires creativity or vision.

[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="Ontain"]I have an HDTV and a Surround sound system. I still like my wii and still play it almost every day. if you're a gamer that needs to play 5+ hours a day it might not be for you. I have a pc for my other gaming needs (RPG's and MMORPGs). but I find that when you want to play with others the wii is great. I'm waiting for better games and i'm sure they'll eventually come. I've played red steel and thought it was pretty fun. they just needed a lot more fine tuning on bugs, ai and story. but it did keep in glued to my couch for a few hours at a time.axt113

[QUOTE="Two400"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="WIIRUS"]Your just a graphics whore. Bad graphics shouldnt stop you from playing a good game. oh, and TP is beautifulBread_or_Decide

But the best games also have good graphics (depending on what it is trying to accomplish).

So quit with the "Graphics whore" stuff already.

If a game has such terrible graphics that you can't make out objects or see where your going then you can't possibly play it now can you? So I guess graphics do count for something eh?

NO game will have graphics so bad that you can't play it.  NONE.  That's how far technology has advanced.  You don't need good graphics. 

Do me a favor, never go into the video game industry. Thanks.

[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="Coldplay07"]Being a graphics whore does NOT make you a "hardcore gamer" it simply makes you a graphics whore that is probably into tech more than anything. The people that are really into games or the so called "hardcore gamers" are going back to the SNES every week to play games they love.TSCombo

[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"]

I smell fakeboy here.

He claimed to have camped out for TWO DAYS (I camped out for 12hrs for my Wii) and after two months, he trades in his Wii? :roll:

Yeah....fakeboy indeed.

LosDaddie

Either way, I still don't believe you.

Just say that you want a high-end console with hardcore games. Obviously, you spend most of your free-time gaming and not socializing with your peers.

Therefore, the Wii is not for you.

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]im the realest hardcore gamer there is. i still freaking play the original GB games, and enjoy it. i like looking at fancy graphics, but i know what gaming is all about, and it isnt all about fancy graphics. my eyes still pop out when i see graphics on the N64. hardcore games are gamers who can play and injoy any good game, no matter how the graphics are. to me hardcore games are definily gamers who grew up with the gaming industry. Dr_DudeMan

[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"] Read what I write for christ sake. I said zelda looked good, I couldnt finish it because it wasnt challenging and it got boring since there was no sense of accomplishment, and I got all the way to sky temple which from my understanding is the final leg of the game.TSCombo

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"][QUOTE="OMGTEHGRUKWTF"][QUOTE="axt113"]Sorry dude, Hardcore is a small segment of the market, there will still be games for them, but the blue ocean strategy of Nintendo is about much more, as for grpahics, if you can't stand SD level graphics then I feel sorry for you LosDaddie

That makes no sense.

[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"]All you need is 7-8 hours, and heres a hint for the future. Adults eat when they hang out. They go out to restaurants, bars, etc...and in the process eat and hang out.Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"]All you need is 7-8 hours, and heres a hint for the future. Adults eat when they hang out. They go out to restaurants, bars, etc...and in the process eat and hang out.Dr_DudeMan

[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]im the realest hardcore gamer there is. i still freaking play the original GB games, and enjoy it. i like looking at fancy graphics, but i know what gaming is all about, and it isnt all about fancy graphics. my eyes still pop out when i see graphics on the N64. hardcore games are gamers who can play and injoy any good game, no matter how the graphics are. to me hardcore games are definily gamers who grew up with the gaming industry. Rahnyc4

[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"]All you need is 7-8 hours, and heres a hint for the future. Adults eat when they hang out. They go out to restaurants, bars, etc...and in the process eat and hang out.Jandurin

[QUOTE="TSCombo"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"] Read what I write for christ sake. I said zelda looked good, I couldnt finish it because it wasnt challenging and it got boring since there was no sense of accomplishment, and I got all the way to sky temple which from my understanding is the final leg of the game.Dr_DudeMan

Seriously, get back on topic. I made a thread to debate something I am interested in, not social lives, cooking, everyones histories, etc...Dr_DudeMan

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]im the realest hardcore gamer there is. i still freaking play the original GB games, and enjoy it. i like looking at fancy graphics, but i know what gaming is all about, and it isnt all about fancy graphics. my eyes still pop out when i see graphics on the N64. hardcore games are gamers who can play and injoy any good game, no matter how the graphics are. to me hardcore games are definily gamers who grew up with the gaming industry. Dr_DudeMan

You know that whole "it looks worse on an HDTV" thing could have easily been solved by getting component cables for your Wii.TyrantDragon55

[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]im the realest hardcore gamer there is. i still freaking play the original GB games, and enjoy it. i like looking at fancy graphics, but i know what gaming is all about, and it isnt all about fancy graphics. my eyes still pop out when i see graphics on the N64. hardcore games are gamers who can play and injoy any good game, no matter how the graphics are. to me hardcore games are definily gamers who grew up with the gaming industry. Rahnyc4

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="YellowPik"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="YellowPik"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="WIIRUS"]Your just a graphics whore. Bad graphics shouldnt stop you from playing a good game. oh, and TP is beautifulDr_DudeMan

[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"]They also don't have much visual appeal because all but Nintendo's first party art is bland and limited by weak hardware.
YellowPik

Wait, what? :?

Paper Mario, Wario Ware, Mario Galaxy, Metriod Prime 3. Need any more? Paper Mario alone is enough to prove that point wrong.

It's obvious that you just don't like the Wii at this point. You'll only be able to see what you want to. I would suggest to try and look at these games in a fair light, but to each his own.