Why PC is Failing (Not About WSAD or Expense)

The fact of the matter is, the PC is failing, because it lacks a central figure. There's no one behind it pushing for it to be better. Games like Crysis, Stalker and The Witcher are going multiplat, because there's no one stopping them. Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, they all build games exclusively for their consoles and make deals to insure that their consoles have things to offer that no other platform has. The PC doesn't have this at all. There's no PC booth or keynote at major gaming confrencess. Microsoft has effectively abandoned pushing the PC anymore. The only thing that holds what devs remain to the platform is sheer theology. Without this central figure, PC gaming won't die (it'll never die), but it will stagnate, and it will lose all major exclusivity.

So unless some company, Apple is doubtfull with the gaming success of the iPhone and iPad, picks up the PC, and says "this is how the PC will become the leader of gaming in years to come," from the center of a confrence room, the PC will only lose more of its power, until even Blizard (with the salivating Kotick behind them) shifts its focus to the console market.

The fact of the matter is, the PC is failing, because it lacks a central figure. There's no one behind it pushing for it to be better. Games like Crysis, Stalker and The Witcher are going multiplat, because there's no one stopping them. Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, they all build games exclusively for their consoles and make deals to insure that their consoles have things to offer that no other platform has. The PC doesn't have this at all. There's no PC booth or keynote at major gaming confrencess. Microsoft has effectively abandoned pushing the PC anymore. The only thing that holds what devs remain to the platform is sheer theology. Without this central figure, PC gaming won't die (it'll never die), but it will stagnate, and it will lose all major exclusivity.

So unless some company, Apple is doubtfull with the gaming success of the iPhone and iPad, picks up the PC, and says "this is how the PC will become the leader of gaming in years to come," from the center of a confrence room, the PC will only lose more of its power, until even Blizard (with the salivating Kotick behind them) shifts its focus to the console market.

vadicta

The fact of the matter is, the PC is failing

vadicta

this generation alone the pc has more high scoring exclusive games than all three consoles combined. :?

Thats like saying the car is failing because no ones promoting it

MS have actually shown more interest in the PC lately. Likely due to the fact that they've established the XBOX brand well at this point in time.

Your synopsis seems to indicate it's weaker, yet an inherent advantage many people seem to understand is the openness of the system, with the ability for small indie devs to launch on the system due to DD services and not have to pay royalties or find large publishers. On top of that PC is moving more and more towards a centralized system, which is Steam. Naturally it's a big player in the PC scene, and it's growing remarkably well.

How is PC failign when last year it sold more then ps3 and 360 combined>
DIgital sales now on PC are more then store sales so you dont see the TRUE sales numbers for PC gaming..

Places like Steam, Impulse and D2D sell alot of copies of games that dont go into the pc sales each week or month.

PC gamign is alive and well and hastwo of the best games this gen imo, Civ5 and Starcraft2.

ALl of this PC isa failing and PC is dying is RUBBISH and anyone who owns a gaming pc will tell you that.

PC gamign wont die, sorry to tell you this, I know you want it to die finally, but its not gonan happen.

Did you not see the Starcraft2 sales? That was ONLY the retail ones! If you add the Digital Download sales for SC2 its probably clsoe to double the sales.

Do some reasearch first before you talk about PC failing... Its alive and well.

How is PC gamign failing when last year it sold more games then PS3 and 360 combined?

this generation alone the pc has more high scoring exclusive games than all three consoles combined. :?

CaseyWegner

Unlike consoles PC can secure good exclusives on it's own, without a big figure company bribing developers.

and FYI..The Witcher 2 is only planned for the consoles..the developers are still only working on the PC version of the game. The developers also said that they won't bother porting the game to the consoles if they have to downgrade the game.

http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/111/1117073p1.htmlhttp://kotaku.com/5567711/fable-iii-really-signals-a-larger-microsoft-push-for-pc-gaming-this-time Not sure why you even tried.Heil68

Here is some more :P

July NPD: StarCraft II Outsells Every Console Game

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/08/july-2010-npd/

Blizzard's StarCraft II for PC sold 721,000 (Not including Digital Download) copies in retail stores in July, making it the top-selling game of the month, the NPD Group said Thursday.

According to the research group's sales reports for the month of July 2010, the biggest-selling console game was Electronic Arts' NCAA Football 11, which sold 692,000 copies across the three platforms it was released on (PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 and PlayStation 2). Thus, StarCraft nudged out every console game no matter which way you measure it, which is a rarity with PC game sales these days.

- Not to mention Steam put Penumbra games on sale and helped save the company in one day of sales

- World Of Warcraft sells TONS each year

I could go on and on.

Thats like saying the car is failing because no ones promoting it

DoomZaW

Thread backfired no doubt, TC has not responded :lol:

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

this generation alone the pc has more high scoring exclusive games than all three consoles combined. :?

kozzy1234

OH NOES!! WE DONT HAVE TEH MARIO OR TEH MASTER CHIEF!!! NO! :roll:

Actually we do. It's exclusive as well.

Edit: We also have Master Chief :P

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] didn't you read his post casey? none of that matters since the PC gaming community doesn't have someone to brag about it :wink:Filthybastrd

OH NOES!! WE DONT HAVE TEH MARIO OR TEH MASTER CHIEF!!! NO! :roll:

Actually we do. It's exclusive as well.

I meant we dont have Mario or Master Chief as OUR staple person/icon.

TC acting like we need a MARIO or MASTER CHIEF character to draw people in.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

OH NOES!! WE DONT HAVE TEH MARIO OR TEH MASTER CHIEF!!! NO! :roll:

kozzy1234

Actually we do. It's exclusive as well.

I meant we dont have Mario or Master Chief as OUR staple person/icon.

TC acting like we need a MARIO or MASTER CHIEF character to draw people in.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Actually we do. It's exclusive as well.

lawlessx

I meant we dont have Mario or Master Chief as OUR staple person/icon.

TC acting like we need a MARIO or MASTER CHIEF character to draw people in.

That doesnt make any sense to me then lol.

Blizzard? Valve? Relic? They might not be ones calling the shots all the time, but all 3 of those combined is pretty much the same to me.

Wierd thread is wierd :P

Failing doesn't mean Failed. It still has good things on it. And it's not about just some guy bragging about them. There's no company pushing it forward, bringing it out, pushing for exclusives. And, as consoles become more common-place to build for, no dev will have any reason to make their games for the PC, anymore, and so it'll stagnate. That's all I'm saying. I'm not screaming that it's dead. It never will die. I'm just saying, without anyone to concrete its future, it won't have much of one, is all. vadicta

How can you say PC doenst have much of a future???? Do you even own a gamign pc?

What about Blizzard? They make only PC exclusives..

People like you ahve been saying PC gamign is dying FOR YEARS AND YEARS.. guess what? Its not dyign or dead.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

OH NOES!! WE DONT HAVE TEH MARIO OR TEH MASTER CHIEF!!! NO! :roll:

kozzy1234

Actually we do. It's exclusive as well.

I meant we dont have Mario or Master Chief as OUR staple person/icon.

TC acting like we need a MARIO or MASTER CHIEF character to draw people in.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Actually we do. It's exclusive as well.

vadicta

I meant we dont have Mario or Master Chief as OUR staple person/icon.

TC acting like we need a MARIO or MASTER CHIEF character to draw people in.

PC gaming has been around for ages.. why does it need a FIGURE now??
Your whole thread is complete fail, you dont bring up any vailid points at all.

PC gamign WILL NEVER DIE, but keep telling yourself it will.

You are tryign way to hard to put the PC down, when you bring up no facts or good reasons.

What do you have to say about all the links that people posted? Tons of articles about PC gamign beign alive

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Actually we do. It's exclusive as well.

vadicta

I meant we dont have Mario or Master Chief as OUR staple person/icon.

TC acting like we need a MARIO or MASTER CHIEF character to draw people in.

Did you not see the Starcraft2 sales? That was ONLY the retail ones! If you add the Digital Download sales for SC2 its probably clsoe to double the sales.

Do some reasearch first before you talk about PC failing... Its alive and well.

How is PC gamign failing when last year it sold more games then PS3 and 360 combined?

kozzy1234

Failing doesn't mean Failed. It still has good things on it. And it's not about just some guy bragging about them. There's no company pushing it forward, bringing it out, pushing for exclusives. And, as consoles become more common-place to build for, no dev will have any reason to make their games for the PC, anymore, and so it'll stagnate. That's all I'm saying. I'm not screaming that it's dead. It never will die. I'm just saying, without anyone to concrete its future, it won't have much of one, is all. vadicta

Do you need somebody pushing for exclusives? PC has more than the consoles combined already.

Have no reason to make for the PC? How about not having to pay royalties to the manufacturer or finding a publisher for worldwide/regional releases?

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]
Did you not see the Starcraft2 sales? That was ONLY the retail ones! If you add the Digital Download sales for SC2 its probably clsoe to double the sales.

Do some reasearch first before you talk about PC failing... Its alive and well.

How is PC gamign failing when last year it sold more games then PS3 and 360 combined?

SakusEnvoy

No it didnt, read the article.... RETAIL copies sold.. that does not include Digital Downloads

"Blizzard's StarCraft II for PC sold 721,000 copies in retail stores in July, making it the top-selling game of the month, the NPD Group said Thursday."

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]
Did you not see the Starcraft2 sales? That was ONLY the retail ones! If you add the Digital Download sales for SC2 its probably clsoe to double the sales.

Do some reasearch first before you talk about PC failing... Its alive and well.

How is PC gamign failing when last year it sold more games then PS3 and 360 combined?

kozzy1234

No it didnt, read the article.... RETAIL copies sold.. that does not include Digital Downloads

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"] If you are referring to the worldwide numbers Blizzard announced, those do include digital download sales.

SakusEnvoy

No it didnt, read the article.... RETAIL copies sold.. that does not include Digital Downloads

read what I posted first...

Blizzard's StarCraft II for PC sold 721,000 copies in retail stores in July, making it the top-selling game of the month, the NPD Group said Thursday.

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/08/july-2010-npd/

These are from July 27th till the end of the month... which is only a few days

As for digital copies counting I have never heard that before.

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

No it didnt, read the article.... RETAIL copies sold.. that does not include Digital Downloads

kozzy1234

I was not talking about the first month, read what I posted first...

Blizzard's StarCraft II for PC sold 721,000 (Not including Digital Download) copies in retail stores in July, making it the top-selling game of the month, the NPD Group said Thursday.

The game was released near the end of the month..

you won't stand a chance against the glorious hermits species, Tc. sorry you shoot in your own feet.

now you can either repent your sins or face epic defeat.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"] Blizzard's press release stating there were over 3 million copies sold in the first month: [link]. It's the NPD numbers that don't include digital download sales. But Blizzard sells every digital copy of SC2 themselves so it's fair to say they have those numbers directly on hand.

SakusEnvoy

I was not talking about the first month, read what I posted first...

Blizzard's StarCraft II for PC sold 721,000 (Not including Digital Download) copies in retail stores in July, making it the top-selling game of the month, the NPD Group said Thursday.

The game was released near the end of the month..

I am not arguing, I posted a LINK and facts to back it up, then you started talking about non NPD sales.... I was talkign about NPD sales the first few days the game was out as the link says.. This is for RETAIL STORES ONLY SALES.. not digital downloads..

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/08/july-2010-npd/

And I would love to see a link to where it says Blizzard counts there Digital downloads into there sales, first ive ever heard about this.

you won't stand a chance against the glorious hermits species, Tc. sorry you shoot in your own feet.

now you can either repent your sins or face epic defeat.

aia89

You've got it backwards... the fact that the PC gaming doesn't have a central figure is precisely the reason it cannot die.

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

I was not talking about the first month, read what I posted first...

Blizzard's StarCraft II for PC sold 721,000 (Not including Digital Download) copies in retail stores in July, making it the top-selling game of the month, the NPD Group said Thursday.

The game was released near the end of the month..

kozzy1234

I am not arguing, I posted a LINK and facts to back it up, then you started talking about non NPD sales.... I was talkign about NPD sales the first few days the game was out as the link says.. This is for RETAIL STORES ONLY SALES.. not digital downloads..

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/08/july-2010-npd/

And I would love to see a link to where it says Blizzard counts there Digital downloads into there sales, first ive ever heard about this.

Even if they did use Steam/D2D/etc., publishers would only need to contact the digital retailers to find out the numbers of copies sold of their games. It's not that hard, it's only a phone call away.

[QUOTE="vadicta"]

The fact of the matter is, the PC is failing

mfp16

Well the TC will obviously ignore every comment and continue to say the same exact thing, since he did not comment on any point that completely debunked he's main point..

So what's the point ?

Well the TC will obviously ignore every comment and continue to say the same exact thing, since he did not comment on any point that completely debunked he's main point..

So what's the point ?

Lucianu

There's a point? o.0

this generation alone the pc has more high scoring exclusive games than all three consoles combined. :?

CaseyWegner

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

this generation alone the pc has more high scoring exclusive games than all three consoles combined. :?

blackace

Well considering the huge library and the relative cheapness with releasing a game on PC, then it's not surprising.

However, reviewed under GS, the PC has:

AAAE: 13

AAE: 79

AE: 82

Nothing "LOL" worthy about that :?

[QUOTE="vadicta"]

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

I meant we dont have Mario or Master Chief as OUR staple person/icon.

TC acting like we need a MARIO or MASTER CHIEF character to draw people in.

lawlessx

I mean, that they need a company making it more attractive for major developers to create games for. Without that they're only losing support, not gaining anything.

vadicta

Where are they losing support? Do you have any evidence?

Lack of royalty fees and lack of a publiser for regional/worldwide releases is a big plus of the system.

The fact of the matter is, the PC is failing, because it lacks a central figure. There's no one behind it pushing for it to be better. Games like Crysis, Stalker and The Witcher are going multiplat, because there's no one stopping them. Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, they all build games exclusively for their consoles and make deals to insure that their consoles have things to offer that no other platform has. The PC doesn't have this at all. There's no PC booth or keynote at major gaming confrencess. Microsoft has effectively abandoned pushing the PC anymore. The only thing that holds what devs remain to the platform is sheer theology. Without this central figure, PC gaming won't die (it'll never die), but it will stagnate, and it will lose all major exclusivity.

So unless some company, Apple is doubtfull with the gaming success of the iPhone and iPad, picks up the PC, and says "this is how the PC will become the leader of gaming in years to come," from the center of a confrence room, the PC will only lose more of its power, until even Blizard (with the salivating Kotick behind them) shifts its focus to the console market.

vadicta

If by failing you mean in first place you are spot on! Games like Crysis are going multiplat because there is no reason for companies to not try and get a slice of that console income pie.

[QUOTE="vadicta"]

The fact of the matter is, the PC is failing

mfp16

So PC gaming is dying because it doesn't have a a figure head to tell everyone how bad ass they are?lawlessx

[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

this generation alone the pc has more high scoring exclusive games than all three consoles combined. :?

lundy86_4

Well considering the huge library and the relative cheapness with releasing a game on PC, then it's not surprising.

However, reviewed under GS, the PC has:

AAAE: 13

AAE: 79

AE: 82

Nothing "LOL" worthy about that :?