Why Super Smash Bros. takes more skill than any other fighter

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#1 2-10-08
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As many of you know, Super Smash Bros. is nintendo's flagship fighting game. It gets a lot of hate here, most of them saying that the game isn't even a real fighting game. I personally have hundreds of hours invested into super smash bros. brawl alone. I own SF IV(PS3), Virtua Fighter IV: Evolution(PS2), Marvel vs. Capcom 2(dreamcast) and have played soul calibur, soul calibur IV, tekken: DR to an extent. My reasons are as follows:

- Super Smash Bros. allows for more freedom in competitive play. That is, you can approach your opponent in many different ways.Where as most fighters only have a single jump without any platforms, SSB has a double jump for each character, along with different platforms for each stage. Jump at your opponent but see he is shielding? Jump back or over him to get the advantage. Also, with DI(Directional Influence) you're not screwed if you're not falling where you want to. (Think controlling your character in the air like in Super Mario Bros.) With other fighting games, in any given situation there is a certain move/technique you are supposed to perform. (ex- street fighter IV- character jumps at ryu? shoryuken or block, no other option other than to get hit.)

- Lack of stamina means kills can occur by playing risky. Instead of waiting for your opponent to hit a certain percentage, why not hit him off the edge and meteor smash him downwards? The answer is because those attacks have bad lag and whiffing is going to put you in a bad position. In any other game you must reduce his health. Want to kill someone who just died? Try extra hard to get a grab with a character like Falco and go for the chaingrab>dair strategy.

- More ATs(attack techniques). There are plenty of ATs in other games, but they are all general, (ex-focus attack dash cancel in SFIV) but in SSB there are many for each individual character. What's better yet, at smashboards.com, they're discovering more all the time. Did you know that if you use cape with mario right before you leave a platform, you'll glide off the stage? It's called the ACE, and only mario can use it. [Click to watch]

- Spacing game is more developed. In SSB your opponent at times can be close up, far away, above you or below you. Depending on where the other person is forces you to react in a way different than "he's far away so I'll use a projectile" or "he's up close so I'll try to start a combo". What also factors in is his percentage level. What simple combos there are in SSB are often based on how high this level is. If it's too high or too low some combos might not work. Also, you have the powershield. If you are taken by suprise you can press the shield button and if hit right before an attack you'll have less hit lag to work with.

- Other fighting games rely too much on button memorization and your right/wrong reaction to what happens. The fact is that button memorization will takes less skill than being able to space properly. Combine that with the many ATs and it Super Smash Bros. comes out on top.

*note that I was using super smash bros. brawl as an inferred example, melee uses more combos and even faster reaction(SHFFL with fox, anyone?), while the original 64 game plays more like brawl.

*If you don't have the skill to read and comprehend all that, you may be best to stay away from fighting games in general.

*no I'm not trolling.

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#2 stereointegrity
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i wont read all that but i will go on to say that SSB does take skill to master and win at....u cant really button mash in the game
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#3 Miyuki-Chan
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Compare Dead or Alive 4online to SSBB.

/thread.

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#4 2-10-08
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Compare Dead or Alive 4online to SSBB.

/thread.

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The online sucks, and it shows something that the game is still more popular than that even though people are forced to play offline.
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#5 treedoor
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A lot more variety to the gameplay. That's why I like it.

I agree with the whole maneuvering argument. Whereas in other fighters typically you jump once, and that's it in SSB games you can double jump, you can dodge in mid air, you can attack from the air, and certain moves are meant to be used in the air. It's a lot better system.

Not to mention the variety you can have on every map. That's why people seem to not consider it a real fighter. Completely disregarding the fact that you can actually play on a single, level plane 1vs1. There's a reason it's played in competitions. The fact that you can do so many other things adds so much added gameplay and replayability that you get some of the best value for your buck from these games.

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#6 Berserkerz
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It's actually true,
I agree with you all the way,

it's just NOT as exciting to WATCH than any other fighters.
like when people watch the Street Fighter tournaments, people can really get hyped,
And it's so much cooler because SF has these combos that look fantastic,

SSB doesn't have that: "OMG! HE'S SO SCREWED! YEAHHH!!!" Kinda moment IMO

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#7 randomwiiplayer
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Fail thread. Smash Bros. is really fun,but Tekken is one of my favorite arcade game of all time. When I heard about Tekken 6 it made me want to get a 360 or a PS3.

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#8 Berserkerz
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Fail thread. Smash Bros. is really fun,but Tekken is one of my favorite arcade game of all time. When I heard about Tekken 6 it made me want to get a 360 or a PS3.

randomwiiplayer



LOL, fail post,
he says it's more skillful, not more fun :)

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#9 shoryuken_
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And then I chose Metaknight and spammed for the entire match and ended up winning.

I just derailed your entire argument, TC.

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#10 ace-of-spades93
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i still prefer tekken, sorry but i always will :D
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#11 stereointegrity
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Fail thread. Smash Bros. is really fun,but Tekken is one of my favorite arcade game of all time. When I heard about Tekken 6 it made me want to get a 360 or a PS3.

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if u are a tekken fan why not go play the game now?
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#12 Filthcakes
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Tell that to the Virtua Fighter players.

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#13 EazyD91
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I like brawl as much as the next person but seriously the only thing you need to do in that game is master Metaknight or Snake........oh and the online is Laggy heaven
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#14 jakehouston88
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Skill in SSB...:lol:

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#15 2-10-08
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And then I chose Metaknight and spammed for the entire match and ended up winning.

I just derailed your entire argument, TC.

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He's a good character, but not impossible to beat.
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#16 randomwiiplayer
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[QUOTE="randomwiiplayer"]

Fail thread. Smash Bros. is really fun,but Tekken is one of my favorite arcade game of all time. When I heard about Tekken 6 it made me want to get a 360 or a PS3.

stereointegrity

if u are a tekken fan why not go play the game now?

Never picked up the ps2 version. Don't have a 360 or ps3. I don't remember where the arcade around where I live that has it is.

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#17 PannicAtack
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Competitive Smash sucks
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#18 shoryuken_
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[QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

And then I chose Metaknight and spammed for the entire match and ended up winning.

I just derailed your entire argument, TC.

2-10-08

He's a good character, but not impossible to beat.

There's a reason he is by himself in the top tier. If you master Metaknight, you won't lose to any other character except maybe Snake.

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#19 Berserkerz
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Tell that to the Virtua Fighter players.

Filthcakes



I forgot about that. That makes SSB second. LOL.

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#20 2-10-08
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Skill in SSB...:lol:

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If you fail to see that skill exists in every fighting game then you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. Oh wait, that happens in every post of yours. Just some reasonless hatred toward anything that is not PS3.
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#21 boredy-Mcbored
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I pretty much disagree with the with argument. You agree that moving platforms, glitches and a simple button layout makes brawl more advanced than fighters that require complex button maps and relay more on reaction time. Sorry but no.

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#22 2-10-08
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I will admit that Virtua Fighter takes more skill than than every other traditional fighter, but it is only a more complex version of Tekken. ex- certain moves for the position you're standing, more reversals and cancels for arguably too many moves. If you watch competitive VF it's just a whole bunch of cancels you probably didn't see and someone getting in a one/two hit jab.

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#23 2-10-08
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I pretty much disagree with the with argument. You agree that moving platforms, glitches and a simple button layout makes brawl more advanced than fighters that require complex button maps and relay more on reaction time. Sorry but no.

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Being able to memorize combos just doesn't seem as skillful as spacing to me.
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#24 johnny27
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im pretty sure melee takes more skill to master then brawl as there are more advanced tech skills to learn so they wheren't intentionally put into the game but they added alot of depth
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#25 tagyhag
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Compare Dead or Alive 4online to SSBB.

/thread.

Miyuki-Chan

Why do people even bother saying /thread...The thread ALWAYS keep on going XD

SSBB takes skill, but the problem is that it does have tiers.

But it does not take more skills than other fighters.....Say VF5

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#26 shoryuken_
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im pretty sure melee takes more skill to master then brawl as there are more advanced tech skills to learn so they wheren't intentionally put into the game but they added alot of depthjohnny27

Melee, after a while, becomes a matter of who is able to exploit the most glitches..I don't know if I consider that competitive or not.

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#27 strudel420
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I'm not even a fan of fighting games, but the huge divide between Smash fans and the fans of other traditional fighting games certainly does not exist because Smash Bros. requires more skill. Counter-Strike isn't ostracized by FPS fans like Smash Bros. is by many fighting fans.

*cue 'opinion is invalid' comment*

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#28 PannicAtack
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Super Smash Bros. Melee has given competitive gaming a black eye that it won't recover from for quite some time. And it got worse with Brawl, what with the flame wars that erupted on the forum, people throwing hissy fits because L-cancelling and wavedashing were removed and because you use Samus' Final Smash to get Zero Suit Samus (granted, this one went away for the most part after it was revealed you could get ZSS from the start screen). Then came Brawl+, which essentially hacks the game to suit a specific playstyle, screwing with the game engine. I mean, freezing Luigi's Mansion and Pokemon Stadium? What the hell?
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#29 Ze_ALEX
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i still prefer tekken, sorry but i always will :Dace-of-spades93
such an easy button masher :D
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#30 whitetiger3521
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i wont read all that but i will go on to say that SSB does take skill to master and win at....u cant really button mash in the gamestereointegrity

Hmm I had no problems mashing buttons and winning matches on Super Smash Bros. I dont know what you all are talking about :|

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#31 whitetiger3521
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[QUOTE="ace-of-spades93"]i still prefer tekken, sorry but i always will :DZe_ALEX
such an easy button masher :D

Tekken FTW! :D

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#32 WasntAvailable
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SSB is the hardest fighter to play because it's so difficult to use a controller with one hand when the other is holding a magnifying glass up to your eye. Iwish they made the characters bigger. I would still suck though, just as I do withall fighter games. Still it has a pretty limited move set compared to most, and with more thantwo players on a screen at one time I find that can break the balanceyou get with a standard one on one. It brings too much luck into it, I mean it really depends who wants to pick on who.

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#33 C-Lee
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TC is right Smash is the best fighter.
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#34 uglyhippos
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[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]i wont read all that but i will go on to say that SSB does take skill to master and win at....u cant really button mash in the gamewhitetiger3521

Hmm I had no problems mashing buttons and winning matches on Super Smash Bros. I dont know what you all are talking about :|

Try doing that in a malee tournament and see if you are going to win. And the people you are playing must suck at the game if you can button smash and win.
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#35 whitetiger3521
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[QUOTE="whitetiger3521"]

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]i wont read all that but i will go on to say that SSB does take skill to master and win at....u cant really button mash in the gameuglyhippos

Hmm I had no problems mashing buttons and winning matches on Super Smash Bros. I dont know what you all are talking about :|

Try doing that in a malee tournament and see if you are going to win. And the people you are playing must suck at the game if you can button smash and win.

The person I played was the owner of the game! He had all kinds of crap unlocked. But I beat his ass with pikachu my first time playing i was :lol: my ass off. SSMB can be a fun game but it's not as hardcore as you all try to make it out to be.

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#36 AzatiS
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I loled... sorry but i did..

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#37 Ze_ALEX
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[QUOTE="Ze_ALEX"][QUOTE="ace-of-spades93"]i still prefer tekken, sorry but i always will :Dwhitetiger3521

such an easy button masher :D

Tekken FTW! :D

of course, your ordinary button smasher fighters are always fun once in a while but it's always good to go back to the king of fighters, and non button smasher, SSB
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#38 hansolo14
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And then I chose Metaknight and spammed for the entire match and ended up winning.

I just derailed your entire argument, TC.

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spam me if you can

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#39 shoryuken_
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[QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

And then I chose Metaknight and spammed for the entire match and ended up winning.

I just derailed your entire argument, TC.

hansolo14

spam me if you can

Do you know who I am? I'll destroy you in any videogame. :P

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#40 hansolo14
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[QUOTE="hansolo14"]

[QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

And then I chose Metaknight and spammed for the entire match and ended up winning.

I just derailed your entire argument, TC.

shoryuken_

spam me if you can

Do you know who I am? I'll destroy you in any videogame. :P

WRONG!!, I can beat you in any videogame ;) ..

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#41 Mogotoo
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And then I chose Metaknight and spammed for the entire match and ended up winning.

I just derailed your entire argument, TC.

shoryuken_

No, you didn't. If anything, you simply derailed one third of his argument; the third supporting Brawl. TC is talking about SSB as an entire series. Even still, Meta Knight isn't as unfathomably broken as people make him out to be.

It's actually true, I agree with you all the way, it's just NOT as exciting to WATCH than any other fighters. like when people watch the Street Fighter tournaments, people can really get hyped, And it's so much cooler because SF has these combos that look fantastic, SSB doesn't have that: "OMG! HE'S SO SCREWED! YEAHHH!!!" Kinda moment IMOBerserkerz

Have you ever watched a combo video on Youtube? Some of the stuff that people can do is pretty intense (particularly in Melee).

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#42 Silenthps
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SSBM takes the most skill, idk about the others.
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#43 shoryuken_
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[QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

[QUOTE="hansolo14"]

spam me if you can

hansolo14

Do you know who I am? I'll destroy you in any videogame. :P

WRONG!!, I can beat you in any videogame ;) ..

LOL wtf!!! :P

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#44 codename-R
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My fox eats metanoobs for breakfast. There, i said it. Also you can't button mash in smash...you'll just end up falling miserably from the stage.

Tekken its a different story though...

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#45 shoryuken_
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Brawl got so boring after the first month or so..I only bring it out when I have a lot of people over.

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#46 sonicthemegaman
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SSB is way too broken to be a skillful game. -_-
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#47 ActicEdge
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I really hope this is a joke. I suck at fighters and even I can some what compete at smash bros.

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#48 codename-R
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I really hope this is a joke. I suck at fighters and even I can some what compete at smash bros.

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#49 Desulated
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[QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

And then I chose Metaknight and spammed for the entire match and ended up winning.

I just derailed your entire argument, TC.

2-10-08

He's a good character, but not impossible to beat.

Tell that to the tourney tards.

Back on topic, Smash is a fun game in general but the competitive factor of itis really overrated.

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#50 sonicthemegaman
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[QUOTE="Desulated"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"][QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

And then I chose Metaknight and spammed for the entire match and ended up winning.

I just derailed your entire argument, TC.

He's a good character, but not impossible to beat.

Tell that to the tourney tards.

Back on topic, Smash is a fun game in general but the competitive factor of itis really overrated.

Ding! Somebody finally got it right. SSB = overrated.