Why The Hate for Metal Gear Solid: Rising Being Multiplat?

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#1 Valkyriareaper1
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I think its unfair. People say that the game is not being directed by Kojima, well if Kojima is dead 40 years from now and they are still making Metal Gear Solid, does that mean its a spinoff? No. People also say that it is because Raiden is the main character which is why its a spinoff, I could agree with that, but then again MGS2 had Raiden as the main character. I do not think of Peace Walker or Rising as spinoffs. In fact just like Kojima I believe they are both MGS5. So why the hate?

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#2 VendettaRed07
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Im just upset that kojimas even making it. I mean he ended metal gear, move on do something else please. He could do so much crazy new stuff or even sequels to something that he hasn't done in a long time like zone of the enders or snatchers.

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#3 Arach666
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I think its unfair. People say that the game is not being directed by Kojima, well if Kojima is dead 40 years from now and they are still making Metal Gear Solid, does that mean its a spinoff? No. People also say that it is because Raiden is the main character which is why its a spinoff, I could agree with that, but then again MGS2 had Raiden as the main character. I do not think of Peace Walker or Rising as spinoffs. In fact just like Kojima I believe they are both MGS5. So why the hate?

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Cows are angry because it´s not a PS3 exclusive. I guess they should be used to the pain now(Tekken,FF,DMC,etc...).

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#4 punkrocker163
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I havent seen one topic about it since E3, Kojima said Peace Walker is MGS5.
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#5 Valkyriareaper1
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I havent seen one topic about it since E3, Kojima said Peace Walker is MGS5.punkrocker163
He actually stated that Peace Walker is the MGS5 in him, and that Rising is the next generation MGS5.

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#6 BeanTownBrown86
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Is there hate?

Im sure people are upset, jealous, or whatever that its a multiplat, but I havnt really seen topics about it

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#7 Dark5tar1
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It'll be good that MGSR is multiplat, I mean didn't it start with Nintendo then Sony and Microsoft then just Sony?

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#8 Phoenix534
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[QUOTE="punkrocker163"]I havent seen one topic about it since E3, Kojima said Peace Walker is MGS5.Valkyriareaper1

He actually stated that Peace Walker is the MGS5 in him, and that Rising is the next generation MGS5.

When in truth, Metal Gear Solid 5 will be Metal Gear Solid 5.

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#9 funsohng
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Im just upset that kojimas even making it. I mean he ended metal gear, move on do something else please. He could do so much crazy new stuff or even sequels to something that he hasn't done in a long time like zone of the enders or snatchers.

VendettaRed07
pretty much this. i dont care if it's multiplat or not, but kojima should have ended it with mgs4
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#10 Phoenix534
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It'll be good that MGSR is multiplat, I mean didn't it start with Nintendo then Sony and Microsoft then just Sony?

Dark5tar1

That's true. Most people simply disregard Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 though.

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#11 Valkyriareaper1
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It'll be good that MGSR is multiplat, I mean didn't it start with Nintendo then Sony and Microsoft then just Sony?

Dark5tar1

IN Japan it started first on the MSX which was made by Microsoft in Japan.

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#12 Kashiwaba
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I dont see anyone hating it but doesn't change the fact that its a spin off and Solid snake story is over.

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#13 GreenGoblin2099
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[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

Im just upset that kojimas even making it. I mean he ended metal gear, move on do something else please. He could do so much crazy new stuff or even sequels to something that he hasn't done in a long time like zone of the enders or snatchers.

funsohng

pretty much this. i dont care if it's multiplat or not, but kojima should have ended it with mgs4

And I'm still here, wondering when am I going to get my precious ZOE3? :(

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#15 funsohng
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[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="Dark5tar1"]

It'll be good that MGSR is multiplat, I mean didn't it start with Nintendo then Sony and Microsoft then just Sony?

That's true. Most people simply disregard Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 though.

then it started with MSX cuz MGS fans would never regard NES versions of the two games as actual entries to the series
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#16 3sFan
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I don't see why people are hating on it. More people will be able to experience the greatness that MGS has to offer if they don't have a PS3.

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#17 Cherokee_Jack
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No one has talked about that since E3.
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#18 Valkyriareaper1
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I dont see anyone hating it but doesn't change the fact that its a spin off and Solid snake story is over.

Kashiwaba

You do know that Solid Snake and Naked Snake are essentially 2 different characters. I believe Rising and Peace Walker are main series games ,regardless of characters.

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#19 GreenGoblin2099
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[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="Dark5tar1"]

It'll be good that MGSR is multiplat, I mean didn't it start with Nintendo then Sony and Microsoft then just Sony?

funsohng

That's true. Most people simply disregard Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 though.

then it started with MSX cuz MGS fans would never regard NES versions of the two games as actual entries to the series

Because they are not canon. Same with the GB MG.

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#20 Valkyriareaper1
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[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="Dark5tar1"]

It'll be good that MGSR is multiplat, I mean didn't it start with Nintendo then Sony and Microsoft then just Sony?

funsohng

That's true. Most people simply disregard Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 though.

then it started with MSX cuz MGS fans would never regard NES versions of the two games as actual entries to the series

It did start with MSX, which was made by Microsoft ironically... so Metal Gear began on Microsoft.

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#21 washd123
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MG and MGS have always been multiplat i think as far as nonportables go theres 2 exclusives 3 and 4. so it shouldnt be a surprise. but the same people who are upset are the people who were pissed when FF (another multiplat series only 9 10 and 12 were exclusive) had 13 going mutliplat.

and then im sitting here mad its not ZoE3

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#22 Valkyriareaper1
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[QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

That's true. Most people simply disregard Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 though.

GreenGoblin2099

then it started with MSX cuz MGS fans would never regard NES versions of the two games as actual entries to the series

Because they are not canon. Same with the GB MG.

The NES versions are not canon besides the first one... the MSX versions are canon no one can deny it.

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#23 AgentA-Mi6
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Kojima is heavily involved with Peace Walker and Not Rising, Solid Snake's story ended after 4, the game is a spin off released just to milk the series and Multiplat as you stated. Personally I dont hate the game but color me uninterested and I've been a fan of Metal Gear Solid for a very long time.
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#24 punkrocker163
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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="funsohng"] then it started with MSX cuz MGS fans would never regard NES versions of the two games as actual entries to the seriesValkyriareaper1

Because they are not canon. Same with the GB MG.

The NES versions are not canon besides the first one... the MSX versions are canon no one can deny it.

Metal Gear 1 on NES is not cannon, the last boss is not a big computer its supposed to be metal gear and snake doesn't come through a forest.
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#25 Valkyriareaper1
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[QUOTE="Valkyriareaper1"]

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

Because they are not canon. Same with the GB MG.

punkrocker163

The NES versions are not canon besides the first one... the MSX versions are canon no one can deny it.

Metal Gear 1 on NES is not cannon, the last boss is not a big computer its supposed to be metal gear and snake doesn't come through a forest.

The MSX versions are canon, maybe not the NES versions, but the MSX versions are.

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Kojima is heavily involved with Peace Walker and Not Rising, Solid Snake's story ended after 4, the game is a spin off released just to milk the series and Multiplat as you stated. Personally I dont hate the game but color me uninterested and I've been a fan of Metal Gear Solid for a very long time. AgentA-Mi6
I believe its not just there to milk it, as why would Kojima say he thinks both are MGS5. What does it matter that its multiplat btw? Why cant people just wait to see the game instead of judging it outright before seeing it.

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I'd hate it for being a blatant spin-off that is completely unnecessary.

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#28 EVOLV3
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Its not Metal Gear Solid 5, meaning its not the next game in the story or whatever you want to call the continuity of MGS.

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#29 Valkyriareaper1
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Take a look at this guys. Some guy on Youtube wrote this... WTF xbox360 Sneak in? microsoft ruined MGS for us....it's never going to be the same,RIP snake*_*

Metal Gear began on Microsoft, Yawn.

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#30 Valkyriareaper1
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I'd hate it for being a blatant spin-off that is completely unnecessary.

Verge_6

Kojima has never called it a spinoff, thus I will not believe it is until he says it is.

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#31 AgentA-Mi6
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[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]Kojima is heavily involved with Peace Walker and Not Rising, Solid Snake's story ended after 4, the game is a spin off released just to milk the series and Multiplat as you stated. Personally I dont hate the game but color me uninterested and I've been a fan of Metal Gear Solid for a very long time. Valkyriareaper1

I believe its not just there to milk it, as why would Kojima say he thinks both are MGS5. What does it matter that its multiplat btw? Why cant people just wait to see the game instead of judging it outright before seeing it.

Hideo Kojima said peace walker was his MGS5.
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#32 punkrocker163
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[QUOTE="punkrocker163"][QUOTE="Valkyriareaper1"]The NES versions are not canon besides the first one... the MSX versions are canon no one can deny it.

Valkyriareaper1

Metal Gear 1 on NES is not cannon, the last boss is not a big computer its supposed to be metal gear and snake doesn't come through a forest.

The MSX versions are canon, maybe not the NES versions, but the MSX versions are.

Of course they are, spinoff or not i love me some metal gear, my favorite series of all time. :)
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#33 Valkyriareaper1
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Its not Metal Gear Solid 5, meaning its not the next game in the story or whatever you want to call the continuity of MGS.

EVOLV3

Kojima said both Peace Walker and Rising are MGS5, Kojima called Peace Walker the MGS5 within him, while calling Rising the next generation MGS5, also I do not believe Kojima just wants to be on Sony, cause he does not look like a fanboy. Just saying.

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#34 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

I'd hate it for being a blatant spin-off that is completely unnecessary.

Valkyriareaper1

Kojima has never called it a spinoff, thus I will not believe it is until he says it is.

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#35 Valkyriareaper1
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[QUOTE="Valkyriareaper1"]

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]Kojima is heavily involved with Peace Walker and Not Rising, Solid Snake's story ended after 4, the game is a spin off released just to milk the series and Multiplat as you stated. Personally I dont hate the game but color me uninterested and I've been a fan of Metal Gear Solid for a very long time. AgentA-Mi6

I believe its not just there to milk it, as why would Kojima say he thinks both are MGS5. What does it matter that its multiplat btw? Why cant people just wait to see the game instead of judging it outright before seeing it.

Hideo Kojima said peace walker was his MGS5.

I just said that, he called Peace Walker the MGS5 in him, and he called Rising the next generation MGS5 thus meaning both are canon.

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#36 punkrocker163
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[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

I'd hate it for being a blatant spin-off that is completely unnecessary.

Valkyriareaper1

Kojima has never called it a spinoff, thus I will not believe it is until he says it is.

He calls PW his MGS5, and Rising "different kind of action game" http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/15/kojima-says-mgs-peace-walker-is-his-mgs5-calls-rising-a-diffe/
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#37 Valkyriareaper1
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[QUOTE="Valkyriareaper1"]

[QUOTE="punkrocker163"] Metal Gear 1 on NES is not cannon, the last boss is not a big computer its supposed to be metal gear and snake doesn't come through a forest.punkrocker163

The MSX versions are canon, maybe not the NES versions, but the MSX versions are.

Of course they are, spinoff or not i love me some metal gear, my favorite series of all time. :)

Finally someone who does not judge Rising or MGS for being multiplat, thank you good sir. I too love me some Metal Gear, both Peace Walker and Rising are canon in my eyes... in fact I got the Peace Walker demo downloaded, only problem is that they used the Portable Ops way of cutscenes.

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#38 punkrocker163
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[QUOTE="punkrocker163"][QUOTE="Valkyriareaper1"]The MSX versions are canon, maybe not the NES versions, but the MSX versions are.

Valkyriareaper1

Of course they are, spinoff or not i love me some metal gear, my favorite series of all time. :)

Finally someone who does not judge Rising or MGS for being multiplat, thank you good sir. I too love me some Metal Gear, both Peace Walker and Rising are canon in my eyes... in fact I got the Peace Walker demo downloaded, only problem is that they used the Portable Ops way of cutscenes.

Yea i wish it was real time but what can you do? Game is still going to rock, i havent tried the english demo yet. Ive only played and beaten the JP demo like 20x. ha. It sucks Rising wont come out till 2011 earliest.
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It'll be a lower quality game than MGS4.
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#40 EVOLV3
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[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]

Its not Metal Gear Solid 5, meaning its not the next game in the story or whatever you want to call the continuity of MGS.

Valkyriareaper1

Kojima said both Peace Walker and Rising are MGS5, Kojima called Peace Walker the MGS5 within him, while calling Rising the next generation MGS5, also I do not believe Kojima just wants to be on Sony, cause he does not look like a fanboy. Just saying.



Uh.. no he strictly said Peace Walker will be "his MGS5" while Rising will be "completely different"

"said that Peace Walker will pretty much be his MGS5 -- something that will likely be excellent news to every Genome soldier reading this very post -- and that the MGS4 team will be working on it."

"Moving on to Metal Gear Solid Rising, Kojima says the game will include "a completely different kind of action than what has appeared in the series so far," though we're not sure if that's a good or bad thing."

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It'll be a lower quality game than MGS4.Parasomniac
So,you have played it already? Clairvoyant much?
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#42 Ultimaspooges
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It'll be a lower quality game than MGS4.Parasomniac

No game will ever match MGS4's quality.

I can see MGS: Rising as a good action game, a AA hack 'n' slash with some stealth in the mix. Peace Walker looks AAA to me being a fully fledged Hideo Kojima game.

Maybe in 2012 we'll see MGS5 or whatever is the TRUE next-gen home console sequel to MGS4.

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#43 Valkyriareaper1
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[QUOTE="Valkyriareaper1"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

I'd hate it for being a blatant spin-off that is completely unnecessary.

punkrocker163

Kojima has never called it a spinoff, thus I will not believe it is until he says it is.

He calls PW his MGS5, and Rising "different kind of action game" http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/15/kojima-says-mgs-peace-walker-is-his-mgs5-calls-rising-a-diffe/

True. But man where is that article... grr... well Kojima did not outright say that Rising is a spinoff, but people on other sites say Kojima said it is a next generation MGS5 but no one gives me the article. Why?

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#44 Valkyriareaper1
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[QUOTE="Parasomniac"]It'll be a lower quality game than MGS4.Ultimaspooges

No game will ever match MGS4's quality.

I can see MGS: Rising as a good action game, a AA hack 'n' slash with some stealth in the mix. Peace Walker looks AAA to me being a fully fledged Hideo Kojima game.

Maybe in 2012 we'll see MGS5 or whatever is the TRUE next-gen home console sequel to MGS4.

I honestly doubt it will be hack n slash, if its gonna be a shooter it will be like MGS4 with choices.

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#45 punkrocker163
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[QUOTE="punkrocker163"][QUOTE="Valkyriareaper1"]Kojima has never called it a spinoff, thus I will not believe it is until he says it is.

Valkyriareaper1

He calls PW his MGS5, and Rising "different kind of action game" http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/15/kojima-says-mgs-peace-walker-is-his-mgs5-calls-rising-a-diffe/

True. But man where is that article... grr... well Kojima did not outright say that Rising is a spinoff, but people on other sites say Kojima said it is a next generation MGS5 but no one gives me the article. Why?

I am trying to google it up but nothing is coming up so i quit, PW keeps coming up.
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#46 Valkyriareaper1
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It'll be a lower quality game than MGS4.Parasomniac
Of course it will, MGS4 took 4 years to make, however Peace Walker will not be as awesome as MGS4 but will still be awesome in its own right, but wait until you see gameplay until you judge it.

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#47 Valkyriareaper1
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[QUOTE="Valkyriareaper1"]

[QUOTE="punkrocker163"] He calls PW his MGS5, and Rising "different kind of action game" http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/15/kojima-says-mgs-peace-walker-is-his-mgs5-calls-rising-a-diffe/punkrocker163

True. But man where is that article... grr... well Kojima did not outright say that Rising is a spinoff, but people on other sites say Kojima said it is a next generation MGS5 but no one gives me the article. Why?

I am trying to google it up but nothing is coming up so i quit, PW keeps coming up.

I know. I am googling it too. But no info other than that. As a big MGS fan since MGS4 I ask why (I do wanna play the originals like I will download number one on my PSPgo and will eventually buy the Essentials but first I am gonna rebuy and get my own copy of 4).

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#48 NukePistols
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No one has talked about that since E3.Cherokee_Jack
Exactlyt, I can't even find this game on ESRB anymore. http://www.esrb.org/ratings/search.jsp
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#49 Valkyriareaper1
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[QUOTE="Valkyriareaper1"]

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]

Its not Metal Gear Solid 5, meaning its not the next game in the story or whatever you want to call the continuity of MGS.

EVOLV3

Kojima said both Peace Walker and Rising are MGS5, Kojima called Peace Walker the MGS5 within him, while calling Rising the next generation MGS5, also I do not believe Kojima just wants to be on Sony, cause he does not look like a fanboy. Just saying.



Uh.. no he strictly said Peace Walker will be "his MGS5" while Rising will be "completely different"

"said that Peace Walker will pretty much be his MGS5 -- something that will likely be excellent news to every Genome soldier reading this very post -- and that the MGS4 team will be working on it."

"Moving on to Metal Gear Solid Rising, Kojima says the game will include "a completely different kind of action than what has appeared in the series so far," though we're not sure if that's a good or bad thing."

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Huh? Well on every other site people say that Kojima calls Rising the next gen MGS5 (but they dont give us the article) thats it I hate people. Lol. Oh well it does not mean Rising is gonna suck in fact I expect it to be AAA just like Peace Walker.

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[QUOTE="punkrocker163"][QUOTE="Valkyriareaper1"]True. But man where is that article... grr... well Kojima did not outright say that Rising is a spinoff, but people on other sites say Kojima said it is a next generation MGS5 but no one gives me the article. Why?

Valkyriareaper1

I am trying to google it up but nothing is coming up so i quit, PW keeps coming up.

I know. I am googling it too. But no info other than that. As a big MGS fan since MGS4 I ask why (I do wanna play the originals like I will download number one on my PSPgo and will eventually buy the Essentials but first I am gonna rebuy and get my own copy of 4).

:O You dont have the old MGS? Shame on you. haha. I need to rebuy MGS VR missions since i sold it before i collected them and Portable Ops because my ***** ex girlfriend lost it.