Why the PS3 Will Fail, And why Brian Hastings Was Wrong

[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"]

[QUOTE="mjf249"]

Doesn't even give the PS3 a chance to actually build it's online network. Sony's slumping but the PS3s online will get a lot better, Sony is aiming for a service similar to Live.

Why should he? Sony launched their online back during the PS2 and they had an extra year to work on it PS3's but is it as good as Xbox Live?

Obviously this guy hasn't heard of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. Kojima is asking for a 50GB disk, what a moron. Failure rate to high, I don't think 3:1 is bad at all.

Kojima is asking for that space, does he want it? Yes. Does he need it? Probably not, Mass Effect looks good, has probably thousands of lines of conversations and has hundreds of worlds to explore and fits on a DVD...

Yeah but Blue Dragon is no where near the visual quality of MGS4, and you need three discs for that?

Blue Dragon is beautiful, have you seen that game? The only reason it needs 3 discs is all the CGI that the Japanese developers love to pack into their games.

Please provide some proof. If thats the case, don't you think Kojima would have released MGS4 for the X360 too? Since the X360s user base is larger than the PS3. Obviously using multiple discs is very very expensive. No developer wants to really deal with multiple discs because when you tally it up-- 3 discs and multiply that by the actual manufactured it far exceeds Blu-ray costs.

Kojima said he wanted to finish the series where it started, on the Playstation.

Obviously the Cell is a major advantage than the XENOS processor. It's been stated before, thats one major area the PS3 excels at, while the X360s GPU is slightly better than the RSX GPU in the PS3. The CELL wins hands down in raw processing. I wouldn't trust "Wikipedia' all too much-- didn't you watch the news? A lot of it has no credibility.

You can trust Wikipedia more than some of the fanboys on this forum, Wikipedia has links at the bottom.

filipinothunder

wow self-ownage at its finest.......

a hint.......  .90X500,000 DOES NOT EQUAL 1.5 MILLION :lol:

PS3 is a sinking ship. This is very obvious. I would be very surprised if it lasted till 2008.viper7721

[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"]

[QUOTE="mjf249"]

Doesn't even give the PS3 a chance to actually build it's online network. Sony's slumping but the PS3s online will get a lot better, Sony is aiming for a service similar to Live.

Why should he? Sony launched their online back during the PS2 and they had an extra year to work on it PS3's but is it as good as Xbox Live?

Obviously this guy hasn't heard of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. Kojima is asking for a 50GB disk, what a moron. Failure rate to high, I don't think 3:1 is bad at all.

Kojima is asking for that space, does he want it? Yes. Does he need it? Probably not, Mass Effect looks good, has probably thousands of lines of conversations and has hundreds of worlds to explore and fits on a DVD...

Yeah but Blue Dragon is no where near the visual quality of MGS4, and you need three discs for that?

Blue Dragon is beautiful, have you seen that game? The only reason it needs 3 discs is all the CGI that the Japanese developers love to pack into their games.

Please provide some proof. If thats the case, don't you think Kojima would have released MGS4 for the X360 too? Since the X360s user base is larger than the PS3. Obviously using multiple discs is very very expensive. No developer wants to really deal with multiple discs because when you tally it up-- 3 discs and multiply that by the actual manufactured it far exceeds Blu-ray costs.

Kojima said he wanted to finish the series where it started, on the Playstation.

Obviously the Cell is a major advantage than the XENOS processor. It's been stated before, thats one major area the PS3 excels at, while the X360s GPU is slightly better than the RSX GPU in the PS3. The CELL wins hands down in raw processing. I wouldn't trust "Wikipedia' all too much-- didn't you watch the news? A lot of it has no credibility.

You can trust Wikipedia more than some of the fanboys on this forum, Wikipedia has links at the bottom.

filipinothunder

[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"][QUOTE="Sachmo2"][QUOTE="mjf249"][QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]

In terms of being full of crap

Brian Hastings = Angry Peter

I think they both made equally pathetic speils.

rappid_rabbit

I think Hastings had more validated points. I can actually see where he's going, while Angry Peter = Complete idiot.

Anyone that believes releasing a three-disk set is cheaper than a single layered 25GB Blu-ray disk is just a complete moron. Just imagine just how much more discs you'd have to manufacture.

If that's true, than why are a dozen or so CD's cheaper than a dvd?

OneBR-R = $20.99

Fifty DVD-R = $8.99

No....no....no......let's just wait for MJF249's explanation for how 3 DVD9s are more expensive than a 25GB BR disc.

I mean, MJF249 seemed so sure he was correct.

[QUOTE="rappid_rabbit"][QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"][QUOTE="Sachmo2"][QUOTE="mjf249"][QUOTE="Private_Vegas"]

In terms of being full of crap

Brian Hastings = Angry Peter

I think they both made equally pathetic speils.

LosDaddie

I think Hastings had more validated points. I can actually see where he's going, while Angry Peter = Complete idiot.

Anyone that believes releasing a three-disk set is cheaper than a single layered 25GB Blu-ray disk is just a complete moron. Just imagine just how much more discs you'd have to manufacture.

If that's true, than why are a dozen or so CD's cheaper than a dvd?

OneBR-R = $20.99

Fifty DVD-R = $8.99

No....no....no......let's just wait for MJF249's explanation for how 3 DVD9s are more expensive than a 25GB BR disc.

I mean, MJF249 seemed so sure he was correct.

Whats even funnier is he lured in one of his buddies to defend himself and he self-owned himself also:lol:

wow self-ownage at its finest.......

a hint.......  .90X500,000 DOES NOT EQUAL 1.5 MILLION :lol:

MasterChumly

[QUOTE="filipinothunder"][QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"]

[QUOTE="mjf249"]

Doesn't even give the PS3 a chance to actually build it's online network. Sony's slumping but the PS3s online will get a lot better, Sony is aiming for a service similar to Live.

Why should he? Sony launched their online back during the PS2 and they had an extra year to work on it PS3's but is it as good as Xbox Live?

Obviously this guy hasn't heard of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. Kojima is asking for a 50GB disk, what a moron. Failure rate to high, I don't think 3:1 is bad at all.

Kojima is asking for that space, does he want it? Yes. Does he need it? Probably not, Mass Effect looks good, has probably thousands of lines of conversations and has hundreds of worlds to explore and fits on a DVD...

Yeah but Blue Dragon is no where near the visual quality of MGS4, and you need three discs for that?

Blue Dragon is beautiful, have you seen that game? The only reason it needs 3 discs is all the CGI that the Japanese developers love to pack into their games.

Please provide some proof. If thats the case, don't you think Kojima would have released MGS4 for the X360 too? Since the X360s user base is larger than the PS3. Obviously using multiple discs is very very expensive. No developer wants to really deal with multiple discs because when you tally it up-- 3 discs and multiply that by the actual manufactured it far exceeds Blu-ray costs.

Kojima said he wanted to finish the series where it started, on the Playstation.

Obviously the Cell is a major advantage than the XENOS processor. It's been stated before, thats one major area the PS3 excels at, while the X360s GPU is slightly better than the RSX GPU in the PS3. The CELL wins hands down in raw processing. I wouldn't trust "Wikipedia' all too much-- didn't you watch the news? A lot of it has no credibility.

You can trust Wikipedia more than some of the fanboys on this forum, Wikipedia has links at the bottom.

rappid_rabbit

:lol:  :lol:

OMG.......self-ownage INDEED!!! :lol:

I really can't believe FILIPINOTHUNDER just self-owned like that.

[QUOTE="rappid_rabbit"][QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="Grive"]

[QUOTE="mjf249"]
I think Hastings had more validated points. I can actually see where he's going, while Angry Peter = Complete idiot.

Anyone that believes releasing a three-disk set is cheaper than a single layered 25GB Blu-ray disk is just a complete moron. Just imagine just how much more discs you'd have to manufacture.MasterChumly

Please... don't write if you don't know anything. 3 DVDs are cheaper to manufacture than a SINGLE BR disk. They have a higher yield... and they don't need aditional investment in new factory processes.

Let's just wait and see his response. I can't wait for it!!:D

Just chillin here with the rest of you guys waiting for the massive self-ownage response. Hint of system wars for people..... Do NOT make comments about stuff you dont know about.

I also think Angry Peter makes some good technical points. I could do without some of the bashing, but hey, that's why it's ANGRY Peter, right?

I also didn't like how Hastings makes a big deal about being an independant developer when in reality Insomniac has crawled so far up Sony's butt that they'd need a flashlight to find their way out.

Who the bloodclot is angry peter and what game has he made ??

Unless "angry peter" has any games under his belt why should I take his word over a very successful pro developer ?? 

I think your the one who failed to add up right-- becuz you'd have to multiply 3 disks x 500,000 copies which ends up 1,500,000 copies, becuz of the three discs only accounts for one game buddy. if u multiply 3(which equals one game, and want to make 500,000 copies, your making 1,500,000 million discs moron).

self ownage approved. filipinothunder

3 x $0.30 = $0.90

$0.90 x 500,000 = $450,000

$0.30 x 1,500,000 = $450,000

I also think Angry Peter makes some good technical points. I could do without some of the bashing, but hey, that's why it's ANGRY Peter, right?

I also didn't like how Hastings makes a big deal about being an independant developer when in reality Insomniac has crawled so far up Sony's butt that they'd need a flashlight to find their way out.

GrlGmr

exactly. 

I think your the one who failed to add up right-- becuz you'd have to multiply 3 disks x 500,000 copies which ends up 1,500,000 copies, becuz of the three discs only accounts for one game buddy. if u multiply 3(which equals one game, and want to make 500,000 copies, your making 1,500,000 million discs moron).

self ownage approved. filipinothunder

You cant be serious? Its a sad state of the world when you people cant do simple arithmetic

500,000 UNITS (1 GAME = 1 UNIT)

It will take 3 DVD9 discs to = 1 GAME (AGAIN for those that are slower, 1 UNIT)

at 0.30 a disc...it will take $0.90, to produce ONE GAME (1 UNIT)

at $1.49 to make the same amount of units, (500,000)

You multiply $1.49 x 500,000

and $0.90 x 500,000

What dont you understand?

Self-Ownage indeed...

I think your the one who failed to add up right-- becuz you'd have to multiply 3 disks x 500,000 copies which ends up 1,500,000 copies, becuz of the three discs only accounts for one game buddy. if u multiply 3(which equals one game, and want to make 500,000 copies, your making 1,500,000 million discs moron).

self ownage approved. filipinothunder

:lol: this is unbelievable.  I cant believe im even reading it.  Another hint of system wars.....Do NOT EVER dig yourself in a bigger hole.

Please take 1.5 million times .3 and tell me what you get.... thats right less than blueray.

I think your the one who failed to add up right-- becuz you'd have to multiply 3 disks x 500,000 copies which ends up 1,500,000 copies, becuz of the three discs only accounts for one game buddy. if u multiply 3(which equals one game, and want to make 500,000 copies, your making 1,500,000 million discs moron).

self ownage approved. filipinothunder

.30 x 3 = $.90

.90 x 500,000 = $450,000

PS3 is a sinking ship.  This is very obvious.  I would be very surprised if it lasted till 2008.viper7721

[QUOTE="filipinothunder"]I think your the one who failed to add up right-- becuz you'd have to multiply 3 disks x 500,000 copies which ends up 1,500,000 copies, becuz of the three discs only accounts for one game buddy. if u multiply 3(which equals one game, and want to make 500,000 copies, your making 1,500,000 million discs moron).

self ownage approved. MasterChumly

:lol: this is unbelievable. I cant believe im even reading it. Another hint of system wars.....Do NOT EVER dig yourself in a bigger hole.

Please take 1.5 million times .3 and tell me what you get.... thats right less than blueray.

okay using YOUR math now.....

at $0.30 a DVD-9...it would take 3 disks to make Blue Dragon right?

$0.30 = 3 = $0.90

$0.90 x 500000 = $450,000

Blu-Ray $1.49 x 500000 = $745,000

You just dished out some self-ownage yourself buddy.

Your logic fails. I see where you did the math, but only idiots add it up that way.rappid_rabbit

But according the the link filipinothunde provided. dvd-9 cost .50 cent

at $0.50 a DVD-9...it would take 3 disks to make Blue Dragon right?

$0.50 = 3 = $1.50

dvd $1.50 x 500000 = $750,000
Blu-Ray $1.49 x 500000 = $745,000

bump FSU fan u've been ownedfilipinothunder

Just admit the self-ownage and leave the thread. I could actually have some respect for you if you did that.

Otherwise, you're just providing entertainment for us all.

[QUOTE="filipinothunder"]bump FSU fan u've been ownedLosDaddie

Just admit the self-ownage and leave the thread. I could actually some respect for you if you did that.

Otherwise, you're just providing entertainment for us all.

[QUOTE="rappid_rabbit"]
okay using YOUR math now.....

at $0.30 a DVD-9...it would take 3 disks to make Blue Dragon right?

$0.30 = 3 = $0.90

$0.90 x 500000 = $450,000

Blu-Ray $1.49 x 500000 = $745,000

You just dished out some self-ownage yourself buddy.

Your logic fails. I see where you did the math, but only idiots add it up that way.ninjiijitsu

But according the the link filipinothunde provided. dvd-9 cost .50 cent

at $0.50 a DVD-9...it would take 3 disks to make Blue Dragon right?

$0.50 = 3 = $1.50

dvd $1.50 x 500000 = $750,000
Blu-Ray $1.49 x 500000 = $745,000

[QUOTE="GrlGmr"]

I also think Angry Peter makes some good technical points. I could do without some of the bashing, but hey, that's why it's ANGRY Peter, right?

I also didn't like how Hastings makes a big deal about being an independant developer when in reality Insomniac has crawled so far up Sony's butt that they'd need a flashlight to find their way out.

Sargeras9

exactly.

Angry peter is a idiot anybody with even limited reading comprehension would never take him even remotely serious.

Plea[QUOTE="ninjiijitsu"][QUOTE="rappid_rabbit"]
okay using YOUR math now.....

at $0.30 a DVD-9...it would take 3 disks to make Blue Dragon right?

$0.30 = 3 = $0.90

$0.90 x 500000 = $450,000

Blu-Ray $1.49 x 500000 = $745,000

You just dished out some self-ownage yourself buddy.

Your logic fails. I see where you did the math, but only idiots add it up that way.rappid_rabbit

But according the the link filipinothunde provided. dvd-9 cost .50 cent

at $0.50 a DVD-9...it would take 3 disks to make Blue Dragon right?

$0.50 = 3 = $1.50

dvd $1.50 x 500000 = $750,000
Blu-Ray $1.49 x 500000 = $745,000

Valid points.

there's just too much against the ps3 to take #1 this gen.

it's funny that before 2 years ago NOONE had even heard of bluray...and now it's "teh future"...

and why?  because sony said so...:roll:

[QUOTE="filipinothunder"]I think your the one who failed to add up right-- becuz you'd have to multiply 3 disks x 500,000 copies which ends up 1,500,000 copies, becuz of the three discs only accounts for one game buddy. if u multiply 3(which equals one game, and want to make 500,000 copies, your making 1,500,000 million discs moron).

self ownage approved. Kook18

.30 x 3 = $.90

.90 x 500,000 = $450,000

Valid points.

there's just too much against the ps3 to take #1 this gen.

it's funny that before 2 years ago NOONE had even heard of bluray...and now it's "teh future"...

and why? because sony said so...:roll:

tango90101

[QUOTE="filipinothunder"]I think your the one who failed to add up right-- becuz you'd have to multiply 3 disks x 500,000 copies which ends up 1,500,000 copies, becuz of the three discs only accounts for one game buddy. if u multiply 3(which equals one game, and want to make 500,000 copies, your making 1,500,000 million discs moron).

self ownage approved. Kook18

.30 x 3 = $.90

.90 x 500,000 = $450,000

GOT IT???? i dont see why u lemmings dont get the point. if u made 500,000 copies(with just one disc), ur missing out on two discs becuz its not a full game! manufacturing costs for a dvd9 costs more becuz ur making vast quanities. when u want 500,000 copies ur guna need 1,500,000 discs to make sure u got all of the game on there!!filipinothunder

.90 x 500,000 = $450,000

end of story.

 Now, can we please get back on topic here?

[QUOTE="rappid_rabbit"]Plea[QUOTE="ninjiijitsu"][QUOTE="rappid_rabbit"]
okay using YOUR math now.....

at $0.30 a DVD-9...it would take 3 disks to make Blue Dragon right?

$0.30 = 3 = $0.90

$0.90 x 500000 = $450,000

Blu-Ray $1.49 x 500000 = $745,000

You just dished out some self-ownage yourself buddy.

Your logic fails. I see where you did the math, but only idiots add it up that way.ninjiijitsu

But according the the link filipinothunde provided. dvd-9 cost .50 cent

at $0.50 a DVD-9...it would take 3 disks to make Blue Dragon right?

$0.50 = 3 = $1.50

dvd $1.50 x 500000 = $750,000
Blu-Ray $1.49 x 500000 = $745,000

.90 x 500,000 = $450,000

end of story.

Now, can we please get back on topic here?

Sargeras9