Why use the directional pad on the 360 controller for fighting games?

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#1 Slick_Rican
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Why not just use the analog stick?

I've been playing fighting games on the playstation brand consoles for a long time (Street Fighter, Tekken, you name). I could never rationalize throwing 50+ bucks down with my limited income just for a controller that can only be used on one genre of games. Thus, I always just sticked with the standard controller and got used to doing everything with the playstation d-pad.

When fighting games like street fighter started showing up on the xbox arcade, I couldn't wait to start playing people online. I found out to much dismay however that the 360 d-pad SUCKS! Sure, it can be useful for shooting games and action games for selecting items and whatnot, but trying to do a hadoken on that junk is a pain in the butt, not even mentioning shoryukens or full-rotational grabs.

I almost gave up with fighters on the 360 all together when I thought up a novel idea. "Why not just use the analog stick?" It's basically like an arcade stick, just on a much smaller level. While it did take me some practice initially, now I can do hadoken and shoryuken-like moves no problem. I think its even easier to do zangeif's full-rotational grab on the 360 controller than on the playstation controller.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I always see people on the forums complaining about playing fighting games on the 360 controller, going so far as to avoid buying street fighter 4 on the 360 because of the d-pad. Well, coming from someone who has been there, done that, why not try using the analong stick? It does take some practice, but I find it alot better than the d-pad.

Discuss if you please.

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#2 Synthetic_NinJI
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It's preference /trend
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#3 speedsix
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Analog sticks are massively inferior for fighting games.
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#5 funnymario
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Doesn't the D stand for directional? And I use the analog for everything too. I guess it's because I don't play competitively that I haven't noticed how inferior it is :P
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#6 Fumpa
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I tried using analog for a bit but it seems slower. Also it's noisier :). It could be however that I just need to use it more and become more proficient with it. I miss using my SNES controller for fighting games. Right now I play SF Alpha Anthology and SF3 on the PS2, and the Sony controller pad sucks in comparison to the SNES one. Actually, does anyone have any suggestions for a 3rd party controller for the PS2/PS3 that has a nicer D-Pad. I think I had a Mad-Catz one for my PS1 that was pretty good for fighting games.
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#7 BioShockOwnz
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I wonder why any real fighting fan would use a controller to begin with. Arcade sticks are just superior.
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#8 GTR_FX
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in all honesty, the 360 d pad isn't that bad
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#9 DerekLoffin
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I'm not precisely sure why people avoid the thumb sticks, but I can say they aren't the same as the arcade sticks. An arcade stick is large enough to afford you the use of your whole wrist and arm into the control, while the thumb stick is just that, the thumb. This at the very least makes the feel of the control MUCH different. However, when comparing D-pad to thumb stick, both are still using your thumb, just differently. Of course the stick is analog, so a lot depends on how the game developer setup the analog to digital mapping of the controls. The wrong mapping can really throw people off.
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#10 Synthetic_NinJI
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I wonder why any real fighting fan would use a controller to begin with. Arcade sticks are just superior.BioShockOwnz
Once again it is preference. This is why every single Tekken 6 cabinet has a PS2 Controller Port, this is why some Street Fighter 4 cabinets have a PS2 Controller Port, this is why people bring Dreamcast Controllers to Evo2K. Preference has nothing to do with skill, their is no such inferior or superior because you can still get your butt kicked by a person that prefers analog.
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#11 waynehead895
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I'm actually going to be using this bad boy for fighting games. Much like the Saturn Controller, the best controller for fighting games IMO.The 6-Button lay out is perfect for how I play fighting games too. I use my Fingers instead of my thumb to press the buttons like I was playing at the Arcades. It's weird but I got it from my uncle.

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#12 warmaster670
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in all honesty, the 360 d pad isn't that badGTR_FX

the 360 dpad is horrible, maybe you got lucky and have one that doesnt suck, but out of the 5 differant 360 controllers ive handled, only 1 of them has a dpad that works properly all teh time, the other 4 theres always 2 directions that wont work at least 1/4 of the time you press it.

pretty much have to mash the damn direction to make sure its gonna work.

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#13 waynehead895
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in all honesty, the 360 d pad isn't that badGTR_FX
For DoA i thought it was fine. For SFIIHF and SSIITHDR it's terrible and I would assume it would be the same for SF IV. Or if MvC2 ever comes out, I would want that Madcatz controller.
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#14 GTR_FX
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wasn't M$ going to update their controller with fixed d pads?

here it is - http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54286

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#15 Master-Thief-09
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I wonder why any real fighting fan would use a controller to begin with. Arcade sticks are just superior.BioShockOwnz
Nah, I don't understand why people like arcade sticks. + the SF4 Fighter Pad looks badass.
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#16 Velocitas8
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in all honesty, the 360 d pad isn't that badGTR_FX

You're kidding right?

It's horrible. By far the worst directional pad on any controller I've ever used; you'll constantly get inputs you didn't intend with it.

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#17 Peaches1347
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i use it because i think it more reliable when putting in combos some times the analog stick makes it read that i did a vertical movement and the directional pad its hard to make a mistake on
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#18 mtron32
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man, I've been playing fighters with dpads for over 15 years, it just depends on how much time you've spent with each.
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#19 HoldThePhone
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wouldnt the analog stick be more like an arcade stick? =p
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#20 Nagidar
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in all honesty, the 360 d pad isn't that badGTR_FX

Yes, it is.

360 controller > PS3 controller

PS3 D-Pad > 360 D-Pad.

Thats the way I see it, my preference, of course.

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#21 IIJuggaNottII
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I like using the analog stick. If its difficult to do moves in SFIV I'll just get another controller. Analog stick works fine for me in every fighting game.
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#22 web966
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I'm actually going to be using this bad boy for fighting games. Much like the Saturn Controller, the best controller for fighting games IMO.The 6-Button lay out is perfect for how I play fighting games too. I use my Fingers instead of my thumb to press the buttons like I was playing at the Arcades. It's weird but I got it from my uncle.

waynehead895

I've got mine pre-ordered! :D

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#23 beast667
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[QUOTE="web966"][QUOTE="waynehead895"]

I'm actually going to be using this bad boy for fighting games. Much like the Saturn Controller, the best controller for fighting games IMO.The 6-Button lay out is perfect for how I play fighting games too. I use my Fingers instead of my thumb to press the buttons like I was playing at the Arcades. It's weird but I got it from my uncle.

I've got mine pre-ordered! :D

Thats nice, do they make those for the 360?
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#24 clone01
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wouldnt the analog stick be more like an arcade stick? =pHoldThePhone
actually, not totally. different stick manufacturers have different specs. but a lot of them, like sanwa, for instance, design the stick with "pockets," which help the player lock into diagonals and sides.
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#25 web966
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[QUOTE="web966"][QUOTE="waynehead895"]

I'm actually going to be using this bad boy for fighting games. Much like the Saturn Controller, the best controller for fighting games IMO.The 6-Button lay out is perfect for how I play fighting games too. I use my Fingers instead of my thumb to press the buttons like I was playing at the Arcades. It's weird but I got it from my uncle.

beast667

I've got mine pre-ordered! :D

Thats nice, do they make those for the 360?

yeah, Im getting it for 360

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#26 craftieman05
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[QUOTE="waynehead895"]

I'm actually going to be using this bad boy for fighting games. Much like the Saturn Controller, the best controller for fighting games IMO.The 6-Button lay out is perfect for how I play fighting games too. I use my Fingers instead of my thumb to press the buttons like I was playing at the Arcades. It's weird but I got it from my uncle.

Looks like a Genesis Controller
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#27 omgimba
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Analog works.

But you can much more easily control what your doing with a d-pad. You dont need too re-center the stick, instead you can just lift your thumb. Calls for much less errors in execution.

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#28 MushroomRevenge
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in all honesty, the 360 d pad isn't that badGTR_FX
Its one solid piece of plastic that can't tell the difference between left and up. And sometimes, it will bounce from the left position and go back and hit the right position. It is utterly horrible, end of story.
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#29 waynehead895
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[QUOTE="GTR_FX"]in all honesty, the 360 d pad isn't that badMushroomRevenge
Its one solid piece of plastic that can't tell the difference between left and up. And sometimes, it will bounce from the left position and go back and hit the right position. It is utterly horrible, end of story.

Confessions of a GeaoW2 player?
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#30 waynehead895
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[QUOTE="waynehead895"]

I'm actually going to be using this bad boy for fighting games. Much like the Saturn Controller, the best controller for fighting games IMO.The 6-Button lay out is perfect for how I play fighting games too. I use my Fingers instead of my thumb to press the buttons like I was playing at the Arcades. It's weird but I got it from my uncle.

craftieman05

Looks like a Genesis Controller

More like this Saturn Controller

Before this D-Pad I could never do a Shoryuken with regularity.

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#31 Rai
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in all honesty, the 360 d pad isn't that badGTR_FX
we know... it's horrible!
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#32 dark-warmachine
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I only use the analog stick for Zangief's moves for everything else I use the D-pad. The 360's D-pad sucks for certain fighters(Street Fighter, SNK, etc) and games(Bio Commander, etc) where the plane is two dimensional.
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#33 Senor_Kami
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I can't do a dragon punch on any D-Pad. I can do it maybe 10% of the time that I try it, but with an analog stick its more like 90%.
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#34 Omni-Wrath
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The D-Pad is garbage. But luckily I modded my controller so it is perfect.
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#35 Deihmos
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A game like street fighter will be terrible with an analog stick. I tried playing with an arcade stick and I didn't like it either. The d-pad works perfect me.
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#36 sirk1264
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The D-pad works really well for MK vs. DC. I'm surprised how easy it is to pull off special moves in that game.
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#37 dark-warmachine
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I can't do a dragon punch on any D-Pad. I can do it maybe 10% of the time that I try it, but with an analog stick its more like 90%.Senor_Kami
You are probably not doing it right. Forward then a quarter moon + any punch button. It's pretty easy on the D-pad (Dual Shock).