WHY VC > XBLA

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#1 NATATO
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Number of AAs

VC: 7

XBLA: 5

Highest Score

VC 8.9

XBLA: 8.5

Number of months it's been out. 

VC: 4

XBLA:  16

VC has better numbers and has been able to do it in 1/4 the time. 

 

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#2 nyoroism
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Not just because of scores, but the games are overall better because I grew up playing them.
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#3 MavsFan2007
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Number of AAs

VC: 7

XBLA: 5

Highest Score

VC 8.9

XBLA: 8.5

Number of months it's been out. 

VC: 4

XBLA:  16

VC has better numbers and has been able to do it in 1/4 the time. 

 

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But XBL lets you play games online. Wii....not for awile. lol
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#4 NATATO
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[QUOTE="NATATO"]

Number of AAs

VC: 7

XBLA: 5

Highest Score

VC 8.9

XBLA: 8.5

Number of months it's been out. 

VC: 4

XBLA:  16

VC has better numbers and has been able to do it in 1/4 the time. 

 

MavsFan2007



But XBL lets you play games online. Wii....not for awile. lol

Good online would boost XBLA scores, aparently not enough.  VC can beat them even without online. 

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#5 foxhound_fox
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Meh... scores mean nothing...

Super Metroid
Super Mario 64
Ocarina of Time
A Link to the Past
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario World
Donkey Kong Country
Super Mario RPG Legend of the Seven Stars
Starfox 64
Sonic the Hedgehog
Gunstar Heroes
Metroid
Punch Out!!
Zombies Ate My Neighbours

That is why VC > XBLA

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Right now I'll take Xbox Live because of Geometry Wars, however as soon as Super Mario RPG is released that will change.
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#7 kingsy_the_one
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Not just because of scores, but the games are overall better because I grew up playing them. nyoroism
Yep, that's exactly the reason.. I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with the original content though...
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#8 gromit007
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I love the VC. It is probably the single greatest thing about any console out right now. It is a little pricey, but not enough to be a real barrier. The prices just keep me from buying too many. Given the absurd amount of content (and continuously growing) buying selectively is a good thing.
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[QUOTE="NATATO"]

Number of AAs

VC: 7

XBLA: 5

Highest Score

VC 8.9

XBLA: 8.5

Number of months it's been out.

VC: 4

XBLA: 16

VC has better numbers and has been able to do it in 1/4 the time.

 

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But XBL lets you play games online. Wii....not for awile. lol

The virtual console games will never be playable online.  Nintendo's whole effort is to sell the complete original game that you would remember from a kid on the service.

I personally think that the Wii's Virtual Console is better because the massive library that is being uploaded to it, with some of the best games ever made.  

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#10 16bitkevin
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When Wii gets some indie games, then maybe.
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Right now I'll take Xbox Live because of Geometry Wars, however as soon as Super Mario RPG is released that will change.Sparky04
Get to it, Squeenix!
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#12 TrueReligion_
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Owning the actual game for its appropriate console is better than both of those.
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#13 NATATO
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Sry, I'm using numbers because thats the only way to argue with cows or lemmings.  If i was to list all the great games VC has they'd just come out and say "those are all crap, Nintendo VC is teh milkage"
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#16 gromit007
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[QUOTE="NATATO"]

Number of AAs

VC: 7

XBLA: 5

Highest Score

VC 8.9

XBLA: 8.5

Number of months it's been out. 

VC: 4

XBLA:  16

VC has better numbers and has been able to do it in 1/4 the time. 

 

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But XBL lets you play games online. Wii....not for awile. lol

XBLA=Live arcade, not the online multiplayer.

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#17 hiho24
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Sry, I'm using numbers because thats the only way to argue with cows or lemmings. If i was to list all the great games VC has they'd just come out and say "those are all crap, Nintendo VC is teh milkage" NATATO

Thats why you dont bother arguing in the first place. :P

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#19 liljon546
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I agree. I just love the classic Sega and Nintendo games. Not that I am saying that XBLA is bad, but just that the VC is better.
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#20 gromit007
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Owning the actual game for its appropriate console is better than both of those.TrueReligion_

Not really. My SNES is no longer working and games with actual 3D rendering look better on the Wii. SM64 best example.

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While I will admit that the Virtual Console is overall better than Xbox Live Arcade, they both have their positives and negatives.

On the flip side, XBLA revamps the graphics, adds new features (online play, leader-boards, achievements) and are usually a pretty fair price (sometimes free: ie Texas Hold Em' Poker). 

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#22 nyoroism
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[QUOTE="TrueReligion_"]Owning the actual game for its appropriate console is better than both of those.gromit007

Not really. My SNES is no longer working and games with actual 3D rendering look better on the Wii. SM64 best example.

SM64 is an example of how things are sometimes too clear with emulation. If you get the camera out far enough, you can see Mario's model actually change from detailed to a blocky Mario. Keep an eye on the nose and the hat, because it's easier to see change.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that this was less apparent on an actual copy of the game.

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#23 NATATO
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Owning the actual game for its appropriate console is better than both of those.TrueReligion_

The whole idea is that Wii will have the largest library of games by the end of this gnerations (all Wii and GCs games + VC).

It's a lot better to have games from like 7 different concoles on one machine, than having all those concoles hooked up at the same time. 

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Owning the actual game for its appropriate console is better than both of those.TrueReligion_
Agreed.
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The problem is they're ports with no updates what so ever unlike xbla. I mean xbla has improved graphics in hd, leaderboards, co-op and vc doesn't
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#26 Brandonio358
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it is true vc is better than xbla, but I must say that all the people that really love these games would already have them, but then again if they didn't buy an old console they can be on the same page as people that have played them before. All I have to say is that the herdcore gamer should only get the game on vc if they have never played it because they are the same games. Xbox live arcade has old arcade games as well as newer games, and hopefully some indie groups will make some good games for vc. 
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yes true but nintendo has said that they will allow beginner game designers to make *new* games on vc.
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The problem is they're ports with no updates what so ever unlike xbla. I mean xbla has improved graphics in hd, leaderboards, co-op and vc doesn'tklabut

1) improved graphics in HD for arcade games?  I don't htink classic arcade games need to be played in HD, I they're actually better left alone (see the southpark with George Lucus and making fun of him upgrading star wars, they make a great point)

2) Leaderboards... So what.  Like i need to know im 12304956 in world at geomerty wars

3) There are VC games with multiplayer feautres.

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I don't see the point, the scores mean nothing. If SM64 was put on the XBLA it would score much much lower because a lack of multiplayer/leader boards/updated graphics and so on. Enjoy the games for what they are and stop comparing scores.
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#30 Ultimate_Peon
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Nintendo should release a seperate channel for downloading new independently made games or start releasing 1+ independently made games (depending on how many are developed) in addition to the 3 or 4 VC games. Otherwise it'll take years to get around to releasing the newly made games, if they ever do.
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I think it'd e amzing if they added online features to games like goldeneye ssb and Conker on VC.
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Well that's the thing with the Wii isn't it. The VC is the best thing about the whole console. With the Xbox 360, the best thing about it is it's new games. These games OWN any of the games found on the VC or XBLA. The Live Arcade is just a fun little thing to muck around with. Nintendo Wii owners have to hold high the VC and be content with these crappy games (only viewed as good because of their nostalgic value), because of the poor quality of new games to be released on their console. Us Xbox 360 owners will continue to enjoy playing some of the greatest games ever made as they are released for our console, and every now and then we will muck around with the games found on XBLA.
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VC sucks because you waste your money on games you can get... *ehem* otherways. XBLA is the best because you get new games along with others.
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i like xbla a little more because of online... street figher II are the 360 may of scored less but is way better then the VC one... i say they are even because of the 360's online
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VC sucks because you waste your money on games you can get... *ehem* otherways. XBLA is the best because you get new games along with others.FlawlessSeasons

Come one now.  Gotta throw Wii a bone.  The quality of VC has to make up for the lack of games on the Wii itself.  It's just too bad that Nintendo has to regurgitate old games, with little to no improvements over being simple ports. 

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VC sucks because you waste your money on games you can get... *ehem* otherways. XBLA is the best because you get new games along with others.FlawlessSeasons


Wasting money on legal copies? ROM's are illegal (unless you own the cart and make it yourself), plain and simple. There is more to the VC than just "nostalgia." There are always new gamers coming onto the scene, and getting the ability to play some of the greatest games ever made is quite the option I think.
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[QUOTE="FlawlessSeasons"]VC sucks because you waste your money on games you can get... *ehem* otherways. XBLA is the best because you get new games along with others.foxhound_fox


Wasting money on legal copies? ROM's are illegal (unless you own the cart and make it yourself), plain and simple. There is more to the VC than just "nostalgia." There are always new gamers coming onto the scene, and getting the ability to play some of the greatest games ever made is quite the option I think.

I thought ROMS were illegal period even if you own the actual original game.
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="FlawlessSeasons"]VC sucks because you waste your money on games you can get... *ehem* otherways. XBLA is the best because you get new games along with others.Panzer_Zwei


Wasting money on legal copies? ROM's are illegal (unless you own the cart and make it yourself), plain and simple. There is more to the VC than just "nostalgia." There are always new gamers coming onto the scene, and getting the ability to play some of the greatest games ever made is quite the option I think.

I thought ROMS were illegal period even if you own the actual original game.

Yes, copying that material, even for archival purposes, has been found to be illegal (at least in the US, not sure about for you Panzer)
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Right now I'll take Xbox Live because of Geometry Wars, however as soon as Super Mario RPG is released that will change.Sparky04
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I thought ROMS were illegal period even if you own the actual original game.Panzer_Zwei

Depends on your country, and how you're copying. In the the US of A, we have a wonderful little provision called the Digital Millenium Copyright Act which makes it illegal to circumvent any form of copy-prevention. However, at the same time we're legally allowed to make backup copies of copyrighted material, as long as there's no copy-protection. Yes, its stupid.

Anyway just about all video games have some fom of copy-protection on them, so in the States you can't make backup copies.

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[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="FlawlessSeasons"]VC sucks because you waste your money on games you can get... *ehem* otherways. XBLA is the best because you get new games along with others.drewtwo99


Wasting money on legal copies? ROM's are illegal (unless you own the cart and make it yourself), plain and simple. There is more to the VC than just "nostalgia." There are always new gamers coming onto the scene, and getting the ability to play some of the greatest games ever made is quite the option I think.

I thought ROMS were illegal period even if you own the actual original game.

Yes, copying that material, even for archival purposes, has been found to be illegal (at least in the US, not sure about for you Panzer)

I don't know, probably not here. But in the end it's more a moral isse than anything else, since it's highly unlikely you will penalized somehow for using them unless you host them or sell them. Using ROMS is pretty much up to the gamer, but I don't think it's a valid reason to say you can get them for free instead, even though I do believe VC games to be expensive.
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[QUOTE="drewtwo99"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="FlawlessSeasons"]VC sucks because you waste your money on games you can get... *ehem* otherways. XBLA is the best because you get new games along with others.Panzer_Zwei


Wasting money on legal copies? ROM's are illegal (unless you own the cart and make it yourself), plain and simple. There is more to the VC than just "nostalgia." There are always new gamers coming onto the scene, and getting the ability to play some of the greatest games ever made is quite the option I think.

I thought ROMS were illegal period even if you own the actual original game.

Yes, copying that material, even for archival purposes, has been found to be illegal (at least in the US, not sure about for you Panzer)

I don't know, probably not here. But in the end it's more a moral isse than anything else, since it's highly unlikely you will penalized somehow for using them unless you host them or sell them. Using ROMS is pretty much up to the gamer, but I don't think it's a valid reason to say you can get them for free instead, even though I do believe VC games to be expensive.

Yeah it's the same here. It's a moral choice, not so much one about whether or not you'll get caught or penalized. I agree with you though, it's not a valid reason to claim that VC is useless because you can just download them for free, and you are right again, VC are expensive, and in most cases, just over priced.
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#43 foxhound_fox
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Yeah it's the same here. It's a moral choice, not so much one about whether or not you'll get caught or penalized. I agree with you though, it's not a valid reason to claim that VC is useless because you can just download them for free, and you are right again, VC are expensive, and in most cases, just over priced.drewtwo99


Most of them are overpriced. Some of them are well worth the purchase. I think they should do a pricing scheme where the less popular ones go down in price over time. Like the guns in CSS. I still have yet to buy any, seeing as how I have played most of them. But when Majora's Mask, Super Metroid, Metroid, Zombies Ate My Neighbors and a couple other come out, I am definitely setting down some cash.
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Most of them are overpriced. Some of them are well worth the purchase. I think they should do a pricing scheme where the less popular ones go down in price over time. Like the guns in CSS. I still have yet to buy any, seeing as how I have played most of them. But when Majora's Mask, Super Metroid, Metroid, Zombies Ate My Neighbors and a couple other come out, I am definitely setting down some cash.foxhound_fox
Yeah. I bought Sonic and Bonks (Sonic because I just LOVE the debug mode and still play it a lot, and Bonks because everyone said it was so awesome and I wanted to play it). There are a few more that are probably well worth the price (LoZ: a link to the past is one I really want). It seems that the only thing they have in place is that the really popular games are always like 1 or 2 dollars more, or something stupid like that. It's weird.
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For noobs who haven't played the VC games it is better. XBLA is better for those who have already played the old games and already own them, you get new games and old games with online play. XBLA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>VC IMO.
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#46 Acenso
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Both of them are like too entirely different markets. XBLA is like updating the classics, adding new content(kind of likeRemakes to say) and new games. VC is pretty much just a huge Rom/Emulator service...Legally.

PSN on the other hand....Just a crap version of both 

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#47 Teuf_
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Both of them are like too entirely different markets. XBLA is like updating the classics, adding new content(kind of likeRemakes to say) and new games. VC is pretty much just a huge Rom/Emulator service...Legally.

PSN on the other hand....Just a crap version of both

Acenso

 

:lol:

 I think you summed that up quite nicely.  PSN's really gotta get its act together.