Why was The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess disappointing?

Okay, before we proceed-no, this is not a Twilight Princess hating topic.

It's a very, very good game, with top notch level design, wonderfully executed gameplay, nice visuals, a great soundtrack, memorable characters and one of the best executions of a formula so classic that it practically redefined the gaming industry at every step.

And yet, we notice that Twilight Princess most definitely went wrong somewhere- people were disappointed by it, many complained about it. What was it that it did wrong? When Twilight Princess was exactly the thing that we as Zelda fans had demanded all along- a return to Ocarina of Time- how is it that it became what is arguably the weakest entry in the Zelda series?

I, of course, have my own theory as to why it is that I never liked Twilight Princess as much as the previous installments- it lacked something that other Zelda games have always had, but something that is intangible. I'm talking about the charm, wit, soul, character and personality that every Zelda game oozes but that Twilight Princess largely lacked, making the entire experience feel oddly hollow, and lacking in so many ways, even though the game was mechanically perfect.

Twilight Princess lacked that crucial soul that is integral to all Zelda games, and ultimately, that is what did it down. Whereas it still probably had more personality than about half the games on the market at that time, it simply couldn't compare to the other Zelda games, and to the rapid advances in gaming that were coming about thanks to the extra power afforded to games by the HD consoles.

Why do you think Twilight Princess went wrong (if at all)? What do you think Nintendo should be doing to rectify the issue with Skyward Sword, so that the next Zelda game isn't as disappointing as Twilight Princess was?

The game was great, but I thought it was a little too much like OoT, and the open world was mostly barren.

What do you think Nintendo should be doing torectify the issue with Skyward Sword,so that the next Zelda game isn´t as disapointing as Twilight Princess was?

charizard1605

Don´t make one?

The absense of a Zelda game would be the best Zelda game ever. :o

They should have simply advertised/titled it as a reimagining (not remake, mind you) of Ocarina of Time instead of a brand new original game. Because that's essentially what it was, and in that regard it was near perfect.

-It was too easy. Didn't even come CLOSE to dying once, and beat all the bosses without breaking a sweat.

-The soundtrack sucked. Too much rehashed music, and the original songs were completely forgettable.

-The wolf was the most BORING thing in a zelda game I think ive ever played. Every time I had to play as the wolf I just wanted to turn the game off.

-Combat felt weird with the wii mote having to constantly waggle it to battle.. Just made everything feel sloppy.. Sure there is the gamecube version, but no 16:9 ftl... Each version of the game is gimped in some way

-Hyrule was an absolute snooze to explore..Nothing really going on.

-Too much been there, done that feel.. Even though Every Zelda basically followed the same exact formula, this is the first time I felt like I was going to the motions.

And thats pretty much it. The games look is great, the level design is top notch.. The dungeons are pretty cool.. But its just too easy, too boring, and too similar to other entries in the Zelda series

The Controller, No Voice Acting, Stereotypical Zelda Story, and playing as the wolf.CongressManStan

-The Controller

I played with the GameCube controller and I didn't struck any problems.

-No Voice Acting

Seeing what happened to the voice-acting in Metroid Other M, I'd personally want fully-voiced dialouge to stay as far away as possible. Also Windwaker was released at a time where fully-voiced games were popular (i.e Halo 2, Escape from Butcher Bay, GTA: SA and MGS2) but no one seems to really give a toss about Windwaker not having voice acting.

-The Story

Many of the Zelda games have a 'save the princess and world' story, including the acclaimed title Ocarina of Time. Why should it be used as a vice against Twilight Princess while ignored for Ocarina of Time?

-The Wolf

I'd give you that one.

I'm worried about SS, since I never liked the motion control in TP. SAGE_OF_FIRE

In SS defense it was tacked on litterally the last minute. Like 2 months before the game came out it originally worked where B was the sword motion and you would swing to do the finishing move.. But somebody made the wrong decision to map the sword swing to waggling. Probably because everyone was all motion crazy back then so they didn't really care if it was gimmicky or not. This game it seems like they are actually using it the right way, and putting alot of effort in to making it so its not just some sloppy waggle fest.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]What do you think Nintendo should be doing torectify the issue with Skyward Sword,so that the next Zelda game isn´t as disapointing as Twilight Princess was?

Arach666

Don´t make one?

The absense of a Zelda game would be the best Zelda game ever. :o

I think the same problem happened with Reach. It's easily the second best in terms of gameplay, but it just isn't as fun as Halo 3 or 2.Arbiterisl33t69

yay someone agrees with me lol.. I keep saying that but my friends say I'm crazy.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]What do you think Nintendo should be doing torectify the issue with Skyward Sword,so that the next Zelda game isn´t as disapointing as Twilight Princess was?

charizard1605

Don´t make one?

The absense of a Zelda game would be the best Zelda game ever. :o

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Arach666"]

Don´t make one?

The absense of a Zelda game would be the best Zelda game ever. :o

Arach666

▲ My main beef with the game was that it was too familiar to previous zeldas. ▲

I really liked TP but like those who have already said it, the game had its share of problems.

Difficulty- I thought the bosses and what to do in the game were way too easy, BUT the dungeons were probably the best out of any zelda. They were just incredible diverse (I even like them better than MM) I mean the water temple, Yeti's House, and The Light Temple have to be some of the best out of any Zelda game Ive played.

Charm- The game was really, cold. It lost a lot of that Zelda Charm and spirit, I really wanna say the game kinda felt rushed.

Not enough to do- You can collect all the poes but it doesn't do anything cool. You can get tons of Rupee's but can't buy anything. There is simply not enough to do and/or is completely pointless. The best part is exploring Hyrule and fighting those long epic caves.

Wolf Link-Worst thing in a Zelda game ever. Collecting bug spirits was a chore and slowed the pace down a lot. I wish they made the first couple hours of the game more immersive and less boring.

I loved the game and I even enjoyed it more than OoT (my opinion of course) but Nintendo made a lot of wrong choices. However it seems like they have grown a lot and I have tons of faith in SS. I know it won't disappoint.

[QUOTE="CongressManStan"]The Controller, No Voice Acting, Stereotypical Zelda Story, and playing as the wolf.Vesica_Prime

-The Story

Many of the Zelda games have a 'save the princess and world' story, including the acclaimed title Ocarina of Time. Why should it be used as a vice against Twilight Princess while ignored for Ocarina of Time?

Well.. Because OoT came out in like 1998.. Console gamers still didn't really expect games to have great stories yet as much as we do now. Also it was only the 4th Zelda game and it had the best most in depth story in the series to date. And Ocarina did so many revolutionary things that people weren't as concerned that the story wasn't really anything revolutionary. TP was like the 8th zelda, and after how sick Majoras story was, and heck even WW did alot of things differently.. Going back to the same old thing just doesn't cut it and comes off as lazy.. You cant go backwards like that imo.

▲ My main beef with the game was that it was too familiar to previous zeldas. ▲

Loco_Live

It went wrong by not being a direct sequel to Wind Waker. AAllxxjjnn

I have no idea, Twilight princess is my personal 2nd favorite Zelda game.

I actually liked it, so it wasn't disappointing to me really.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="CongressManStan"]The Controller, No Voice Acting, Stereotypical Zelda Story, and playing as the wolf.VendettaRed07

-The Story

Many of the Zelda games have a 'save the princess and world' story, including the acclaimed title Ocarina of Time. Why should it be used as a vice against Twilight Princess while ignored for Ocarina of Time?

Well.. Because OoT came out in like 1998.. Console gamers still didn't really expect games to have great stories yet as much as we do now. Also it was only the 4th Zelda game and it had the best most in depth story in the series to date. And Ocarina did so many revolutionary things that people weren't as concerned that the story wasn't really anything revolutionary. TP was like the 8th zelda, and after how sick Majoras story was, and heck even WW did alot of things differently.. Going back to the same old thing just doesn't cut it and comes off as lazy.. You cant go backwards like that imo.

Even though Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VI, Earthbound, Secret of Mana were released for the SNES?

It went wrong by not being a direct sequel to Wind Waker. AAllxxjjnn

▲ No, that's where it was right. Many zelda fans hate that art style. ▲

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

-The Story

Many of the Zelda games have a 'save the princess and world' story, including the acclaimed title Ocarina of Time. Why should it be used as a vice against Twilight Princess while ignored for Ocarina of Time?

Vesica_Prime

Well.. Because OoT came out in like 1998.. Console gamers still didn't really expect games to have great stories yet as much as we do now. Also it was only the 4th Zelda game and it had the best most in depth story in the series to date. And Ocarina did so many revolutionary things that people weren't as concerned that the story wasn't really anything revolutionary. TP was like the 8th zelda, and after how sick Majoras story was, and heck even WW did alot of things differently.. Going back to the same old thing just doesn't cut it and comes off as lazy.. You cant go backwards like that imo.

Even though Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VI, Earthbound, Secret of Mana were released for the SNES?

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

-The Story

Many of the Zelda games have a 'save the princess and world' story, including the acclaimed title Ocarina of Time. Why should it be used as a vice against Twilight Princess while ignored for Ocarina of Time?

Vesica_Prime

Well.. Because OoT came out in like 1998.. Console gamers still didn't really expect games to have great stories yet as much as we do now. Also it was only the 4th Zelda game and it had the best most in depth story in the series to date. And Ocarina did so many revolutionary things that people weren't as concerned that the story wasn't really anything revolutionary. TP was like the 8th zelda, and after how sick Majoras story was, and heck even WW did alot of things differently.. Going back to the same old thing just doesn't cut it and comes off as lazy.. You cant go backwards like that imo.

Even though Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VI, Earthbound, Secret of Mana were released for the SNES?

I dont even think any of those sold over 1 million units outside of japan. Heck None of those even came out in europe at all. FFVII was like the first really successful RPG on consoles outside of japan and that had just come out right before hand. And i know some games did have great stories.. But honestly like 95% of games on consoles back then didn't even have one at all. Or one that went outside the manual atleast

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

Well.. Because OoT came out in like 1998.. Console gamers still didn't really expect games to have great stories yet as much as we do now. Also it was only the 4th Zelda game and it had the best most in depth story in the series to date. And Ocarina did so many revolutionary things that people weren't as concerned that the story wasn't really anything revolutionary. TP was like the 8th zelda, and after how sick Majoras story was, and heck even WW did alot of things differently.. Going back to the same old thing just doesn't cut it and comes off as lazy.. You cant go backwards like that imo.

VendettaRed07

Even though Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VI, Earthbound, Secret of Mana were released for the SNES?

I dont even think any of those sold over 1 million units outside of japan. Heck None of those even came out in europe at all. FFVII was like the first really successful RPG on consoles outside of japan and that had just come out right before hand. And i know some games did have great stories.. But honestly like 95% of games on consoles back then didn't even have one at all. Or one that went outside the manual atleast

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

Even though Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VI, Earthbound, Secret of Mana were released for the SNES?

mexicangordo

I dont even think any of those sold over 1 million units outside of japan. Heck None of those even came out in europe at all. FFVII was like the first really successful RPG on consoles outside of japan and that had just come out right before hand. And i know some games did have great stories.. But honestly like 95% of games on consoles back then didn't even have one at all. Or one that went outside the manual atleast

Well sure.. Imo im not sure why anyone is being so against OoT's story.. I think it was great, for the time especially. But I was just under the assumption that people were talking about stories that were like idk.. More complex than what OoT had to be considered good..

..The reason that I was against TP's story is because its old.. really old now. But back then it wasn't really burned out yet.

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

Well.. Because OoT came out in like 1998.. Console gamers still didn't really expect games to have great stories yet as much as we do now. Also it was only the 4th Zelda game and it had the best most in depth story in the series to date. And Ocarina did so many revolutionary things that people weren't as concerned that the story wasn't really anything revolutionary. TP was like the 8th zelda, and after how sick Majoras story was, and heck even WW did alot of things differently.. Going back to the same old thing just doesn't cut it and comes off as lazy.. You cant go backwards like that imo.

Even though Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VI, Earthbound, Secret of Mana were released for the SNES?

I dont even think any of those sold over 1 million units outside of japan. Heck None of those even came out in europe at all. FFVII was like the first really successful RPG on consoles outside of japan and that had just come out right before hand. And i know some games did have great stories.. But honestly like 95% of games on consoles back then didn't even have one at all.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]It went wrong by not being a direct sequel to Wind Waker. Loco_Live

▲ No, that's where it was right. Many zelda fans hate that art style. ▲

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]It went wrong by not being a direct sequel to Wind Waker. Arbiterisl33t69

▲ No, that's where it was right. Many zelda fans hate that art style. ▲

I really liked TP but like those who have already said it, the game had its share of problems.

Difficulty- I thought the bosses and what to do in the game were way too easy, BUT the dungeons were probably the best out of any zelda. They were just incredible diverse (I even like them better than MM) I mean the water temple, Yeti's House, and The Light Temple have to be some of the best out of any Zelda game Ive played.

Charm- The game was really, cold. It lost a lot of that Zelda Charm and spirit, I really wanna say the game kinda felt rushed.

Not enough to do- You can collect all the poes but it doesn't do anything cool. You can get tons of Rupee's but can't buy anything. There is simply not enough to do and/or is completely pointless. The best part is exploring Hyrule and fighting those long epic caves.

Wolf Link-Worst thing in a Zelda game ever. Collecting bug spirits was a chore and slowed the pace down a lot. I wish they made the first couple hours of the game more immersive and less boring.

I loved the game and I even enjoyed it more than OoT (my opinion of course) but Nintendo made a lot of wrong choices. However it seems like they have grown a lot and I have tons of faith in SS. I know it won't disappoint.

mexicangordo

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

I really liked TP but like those who have already said it, the game had its share of problems.

Difficulty- I thought the bosses and what to do in the game were way too easy, BUT the dungeons were probably the best out of any zelda. They were just incredible diverse (I even like them better than MM) I mean the water temple, Yeti's House, and The Light Temple have to be some of the best out of any Zelda game Ive played.

Charm- The game was really, cold. It lost a lot of that Zelda Charm and spirit, I really wanna say the game kinda felt rushed.

Not enough to do- You can collect all the poes but it doesn't do anything cool. You can get tons of Rupee's but can't buy anything. There is simply not enough to do and/or is completely pointless. The best part is exploring Hyrule and fighting those long epic caves.

Wolf Link-Worst thing in a Zelda game ever. Collecting bug spirits was a chore and slowed the pace down a lot. I wish they made the first couple hours of the game more immersive and less boring.

I loved the game and I even enjoyed it more than OoT (my opinion of course) but Nintendo made a lot of wrong choices. However it seems like they have grown a lot and I have tons of faith in SS. I know it won't disappoint.

nintendo-4life

Okay, before we proceed-no, this is not a Twilight Princess hating topic.

It's a very, very good game, with top notch level design, wonderfully executed gameplay, nice visuals, a great soundtrack, memorable characters and one of the best executions of a formula so classic that it practically redefined the gaming industry at every step.

And yet, we notice that Twilight Princess most definitely went wrong somewhere- people were disappointed by it, many complained about it. What was it that it did wrong? When Twilight Princess was exactly the thing that we as Zelda fans had demanded all along- a return to Ocarina of Time- how is it that it became what is arguably the weakest entry in the Zelda series?

I, of course, have my own theory as to why it is that I never liked Twilight Princess as much as the previous installments- it lacked something that other Zelda games have always had, but something that is intangible. I'm talking about the charm, wit, soul, character and personality that every Zelda game oozes but that Twilight Princess largely lacked, making the entire experience feel oddly hollow, and lacking in so many ways, even though the game was mechanically perfect.

Twilight Princess lacked that crucial soul that is integral to all Zelda games, and ultimately, that is what did it down. Whereas it still probably had more personality than about half the games on the market at that time, it simply couldn't compare to the other Zelda games, and to the rapid advances in gaming that were coming about thanks to the extra power afforded to games by the HD consoles.

Why do you think Twilight Princess went wrong (if at all)? What do you think Nintendo should be doing to rectify the issue with Skyward Sword, so that the next Zelda game isn't as disappointing as Twilight Princess was?

charizard1605

Man... Twilight princess was not dissapointing in the slightest. It was a fantastic game. 10/10.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

Okay, before we proceed-no, this is not a Twilight Princess hating topic.

It's a very, very good game, with top notch level design, wonderfully executed gameplay, nice visuals, a great soundtrack, memorable characters and one of the best executions of a formula so classic that it practically redefined the gaming industry at every step.

And yet, we notice that Twilight Princess most definitely went wrong somewhere- people were disappointed by it, many complained about it. What was it that it did wrong? When Twilight Princess was exactly the thing that we as Zelda fans had demanded all along- a return to Ocarina of Time- how is it that it became what is arguably the weakest entry in the Zelda series?

I, of course, have my own theory as to why it is that I never liked Twilight Princess as much as the previous installments- it lacked something that other Zelda games have always had, but something that is intangible. I'm talking about the charm, wit, soul, character and personality that every Zelda game oozes but that Twilight Princess largely lacked, making the entire experience feel oddly hollow, and lacking in so many ways, even though the game was mechanically perfect.

Twilight Princess lacked that crucial soul that is integral to all Zelda games, and ultimately, that is what did it down. Whereas it still probably had more personality than about half the games on the market at that time, it simply couldn't compare to the other Zelda games, and to the rapid advances in gaming that were coming about thanks to the extra power afforded to games by the HD consoles.

Why do you think Twilight Princess went wrong (if at all)? What do you think Nintendo should be doing to rectify the issue with Skyward Sword, so that the next Zelda game isn't as disappointing as Twilight Princess was?

theuncharted34

Man... Twilight princess was not dissapointing in the slightest. It was a fantastic game. 10/10.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

Okay, before we proceed-no, this is not a Twilight Princess hating topic.

It's a very, very good game, with top notch level design, wonderfully executed gameplay, nice visuals, a great soundtrack, memorable characters and one of the best executions of a formula so classic that it practically redefined the gaming industry at every step.

And yet, we notice that Twilight Princess most definitely went wrong somewhere- people were disappointed by it, many complained about it. What was it that it did wrong? When Twilight Princess was exactly the thing that we as Zelda fans had demanded all along- a return to Ocarina of Time- how is it that it became what is arguably the weakest entry in the Zelda series?

I, of course, have my own theory as to why it is that I never liked Twilight Princess as much as the previous installments- it lacked something that other Zelda games have always had, but something that is intangible. I'm talking about the charm, wit, soul, character and personality that every Zelda game oozes but that Twilight Princess largely lacked, making the entire experience feel oddly hollow, and lacking in so many ways, even though the game was mechanically perfect.

Twilight Princess lacked that crucial soul that is integral to all Zelda games, and ultimately, that is what did it down. Whereas it still probably had more personality than about half the games on the market at that time, it simply couldn't compare to the other Zelda games, and to the rapid advances in gaming that were coming about thanks to the extra power afforded to games by the HD consoles.

Why do you think Twilight Princess went wrong (if at all)? What do you think Nintendo should be doing to rectify the issue with Skyward Sword, so that the next Zelda game isn't as disappointing as Twilight Princess was?

charizard1605

Man... Twilight princess was not dissapointing in the slightest. It was a fantastic game. 10/10.

Strongly disagree. I'd put it at number 3. Granted, I haven't played wind waker or a link to the past. :oops: (I know, blasphemy)

But I thought it was the general consensus that zelda 2 was the worst zelda?

-It was too easy. Didn't even come CLOSE to dying once, and beat all the bosses without breaking a sweat.

-The soundtrack sucked. Too much rehashed music, and the original songs were completely forgettable.

-The wolf was the most BORING thing in a zelda game I think ive ever played. Every time I had to play as the wolf I just wanted to turn the game off.

-Combat felt weird with the wii mote having to constantly waggle it to battle.. Just made everything feel sloppy.. Sure there is the gamecube version, but no 16:9 ftl... Each version of the game is gimped in some way

-Hyrule was an absolute snooze to explore..Nothing really going on.

-Too much been there, done that feel.. Even though Every Zelda basically followed the same exact formula, this is the first time I felt like I was going to the motions.

And thats pretty much it. The games look is great, the level design is top notch.. The dungeons are pretty cool.. But its just too easy, too boring, and too similar to other entries in the Zelda series

VendettaRed07

Pretty much all of this for me as well, minus the controller part. I played it on the NGC.

Strongly disagree. I'd put it at number 3. Granted, I haven't played wind waker or a link to the past. :oops: (I know, blasphemy)

But I thought it was the general consensus that zelda 2 was the worst zelda?

theuncharted34

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

-It was too easy. Didn't even come CLOSE to dying once, and beat all the bosses without breaking a sweat.

-The soundtrack sucked. Too much rehashed music, and the original songs were completely forgettable.

-The wolf was the most BORING thing in a zelda game I think ive ever played. Every time I had to play as the wolf I just wanted to turn the game off.

-Combat felt weird with the wii mote having to constantly waggle it to battle.. Just made everything feel sloppy.. Sure there is the gamecube version, but no 16:9 ftl... Each version of the game is gimped in some way

-Hyrule was an absolute snooze to explore..Nothing really going on.

-Too much been there, done that feel.. Even though Every Zelda basically followed the same exact formula, this is the first time I felt like I was going to the motions.

And thats pretty much it. The games look is great, the level design is top notch.. The dungeons are pretty cool.. But its just too easy, too boring, and too similar to other entries in the Zelda series

GreenGoblin2099

Pretty much all of this for me as well, minus the controller part. I played it on the NGC.

I like to forget that Zelda 2 exists :P charizard1605

So,that´s like....four Zelda games you would like to forget now?

Damn,for such a perfect series you seem to dislike lots of games in the franchise.

O_o