Why you shouldn't discredit the PS3

For someone who just seems to have joined, you have a pretty good statement. Most people these days just sign up in GS just to make fanboy comments/topics or ads.

You get a 10/10 from me :D

September 25, 2001 - Nobody noticed, but Playstation 2 got a sleeper killer ap; Ico

AmyMizuno

I did.

You are right, but the PS2 launched with TimeSplitters which is one of the best FPS franchises and Tekken Tag which is the best 3D fighter, on the same year ( I don't know, maybe at launch also) there was Street Fighter EX 3, Summoner ( WRPG ) and alot more I don't remember.

The launch year of the PS2 was better than PS3, again, you make a valid point, the PS3 will start selling this year.

Basically the ps3 has some of if not the biggest games to be releaced this gen comming out between now and the end of the year, followed by more of the biggest games of this gen next year..

HOW COULD YOU DENY PS3 FTW?

YOU CANT.

My point is that good games take time. Not to mention that Microsoft is in an especially weak position right now because of Windows Vista floppage and their Yahoo merger debacle. Microsoft may have been willing to take risks on the original Xbox, but when money is tighter for the company, they will not be taking as many risks-- instead resorting to releasing the same games over and over in an attempt to boost sales. Enjoy Gears of War 2, I have better things to look forward to.

AmyMizuno

1. Vista has sold over 100 million copies!

2. LOL "releasing the same games over and over" Enjoy MGS4, GT5, FF13

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]

My point is that good games take time. Not to mention that Microsoft is in an especially weak position right now because of Windows Vista floppage and their Yahoo merger debacle. Microsoft may have been willing to take risks on the original Xbox, but when money is tighter for the company, they will not be taking as many risks-- instead resorting to releasing the same games over and over in an attempt to boost sales. Enjoy Gears of War 2, I have better things to look forward to.

lazerluke

2. LOL "releasing the same games over and over" Enjoy MGS4, GT5, FF13

Well only fanboys bash the PS3 because its expensive, lacks AAA titles, average online service, and its more a blu-ray player rather than a dedicated console...

Yet with all those problems and tough competition PS3 sold well, even outselling Xbox360 in certain territories... So should competition be happy or concerned about the PS3...

My point :

- PS3 is expensive (thats true) - what happens if Sony confirms another price drop this year (which will happen).. Will that make PS3 more appealing to gamers?

- PS3 lacks games (some might agree, others not) - but since this year line-up is looking good with many exclusives and multi-plats now being of high quality not average ports. Will that attract those loyal PS2 fans ?

- Blu-ray / multimedia features(yes the HD era still in its early life) - but now that the format war is over with BLU-RAY winning, PS3 can be seen as a cheap blu-ray player... isnt that another reason why it will be more attractive to non-gamers or casul gamers who want a multimedia system, movies for the parents, TV for family, games for their kids, internet etc etc etc

- Online - (yes its not on par with Xbox life) - but Sony are working hard on improving the online experience and then there's HOME coming later this year... What's gonna happen when Sony keeps bettering their online service keeping it FREE of charge as it is?

I think competition should be worried about the PS3's potential and personally I am very happy I got mine last year, because am enjoying great games, watching movies and surfing on the net.. Not that bad for a console which is currently last place in the so called 'console-war' :)

PSN ID: anubis1980

I've been saying the same thing. The PS2 was hard to code for when it came out, just like the PS3. Microsoft is using a Windows based code for the 360, which dev dont know Windows.

PS2 Timeline:

March 4, 2000 - Playstation 2 releases

(Next year and a half, PS2 has virtually no games. Dreamcast continues to dominate.)

August 7, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec
September 25, 2001 - Nobody noticed, but Playstation 2 got a sleeper killer ap; Ico
October 16, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Devil May Cry
October 22, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Grand Theft Auto III
October 30, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
November 16, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Metal Gear Solid 2
December 4, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Jak and Daxter
December 18, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Final Fantasy X

PS3 Timeline:

November 11, 2006 - Playstation 3 releases

(Next year and a half, PS3 has virtually no games. Xbox 360 continues to dominate.)

My point is that good games take time. Not to mention that Microsoft is in an especially weak position right now because of Windows Vista floppage and their Yahoo merger debacle. Microsoft may have been willing to take risks on the original Xbox, but when money is tighter for the company, they will not be taking as many risks-- instead resorting to releasing the same games over and over in an attempt to boost sales. Enjoy Gears of War 2, I have better things to look forward to.

AmyMizuno

you realize that Microsofts gaming division is completely separate from the governing bodies of their Vista OS and the Yahoo merger. But, anyway, just wanted to let you know that, believe it or not, there are more games coming out on the 360 than just Gears 2. And also, thank you so much for your competely baseless, biased crystal ball prediction.

I've been saying the same thing. The PS2 was hard to code for when it came out, just like the PS3. Microsoft is using a Windows based code for the 360, which dev dont know Windows.

CubanBlunt

You mean a gaming console made a console that is EASY for developers to work with? Why sir, the whole idea is laughable!

Yes, it does seems like history is repeating itself...

but it won't. not in the same proportions. i think the PS3 will really dominate in the end, but it won't sell more than 60-70 million units.

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

I've been saying the same thing. The PS2 was hard to code for when it came out, just like the PS3. Microsoft is using a Windows based code for the 360, which dev dont know Windows.

clone01

You mean a gaming console made a console that is EASY for developers to work with? Why sir, the whole idea is laughable!

You statement is laughable, get your words together, then holla back!!

Let me help you. PS2 started DVD format for games (New format for games) PS3 started Blu-Ray format for games (New format for games)......I started it for you, you got the rest.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

I've been saying the same thing. The PS2 was hard to code for when it came out, just like the PS3. Microsoft is using a Windows based code for the 360, which dev dont know Windows.

CubanBlunt

You mean a console manufacterer made a console that is EASY for developers to work with? Why sir, the whole idea is laughable!

You statement is laughable, get your word together, then holla back!!

fixed...seriously, what's wrong with making something that is easy to work with from day one? i'm not bashing the PS3 (i'll be buying the MGS4 bundle very soon), but its silly to make a console without keeping the developers in mind.

[QUOTE="lazerluke"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]

My point is that good games take time. Not to mention that Microsoft is in an especially weak position right now because of Windows Vista floppage and their Yahoo merger debacle. Microsoft may have been willing to take risks on the original Xbox, but when money is tighter for the company, they will not be taking as many risks-- instead resorting to releasing the same games over and over in an attempt to boost sales. Enjoy Gears of War 2, I have better things to look forward to.

game_masta14

2. LOL "releasing the same games over and over" Enjoy MGS4, GT5, FF13

Yes. I will probably enjoy MGS4 and GT5 as well.

But to make out that the PS3 does not have old tried and tested franchises as well as the 360 is idiotic. Also Gears of War was a new IP.

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

I've been saying the same thing. The PS2 was hard to code for when it came out, just like the PS3. Microsoft is using a Windows based code for the 360, which dev dont know Windows.

clone01

You mean a console manufacterer made a console that is EASY for developers to work with? Why sir, the whole idea is laughable!

You statement is laughable, get your word together, then holla back!!

fixed...seriously, what's wrong with making something that is easy to work with from day one? i'm not bashing the PS3 (i'll be buying the MGS4 bundle very soon), but its silly to make a console without keeping the developers in mind.

Thats a easy question with a simple answer. Evolve! You thing going from cartridges to CD's, easy, no. Thats not Sony's problem. If developers want to evolve, they have to learn new formats, codes, software, and ideas. I guess we should have just staied with cartridges.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

I've been saying the same thing. The PS2 was hard to code for when it came out, just like the PS3. Microsoft is using a Windows based code for the 360, which dev dont know Windows.

CubanBlunt

You mean a console manufacterer made a console that is EASY for developers to work with? Why sir, the whole idea is laughable!

You statement is laughable, get your word together, then holla back!!

fixed...seriously, what's wrong with making something that is easy to work with from day one? i'm not bashing the PS3 (i'll be buying the MGS4 bundle very soon), but its silly to make a console without keeping the developers in mind.

Thats a easy question with a simple answer. Evolve! You thing going from cartridges to CD's, no. Thats not Sony's problem. If developers want to evolve, they have to learn new formats, codes, software, ideas. I guess we should have staied with cartridges.

yet, even with the complex architecture of the PS3, and theoretically more under the hood, there has still been no real difference in content quality (and please don't nitpick with "the COD4 looks better on PS3" nonsense). evolving is one thing, but going in such a different direction completely is another.

think of the automobile. a car made 30 years ago has drastically inferior technology to a car made today. yet, i could hop into the driver's seat of either vehicle and be comfortable with the controls. what happens if you take a car today, switch all the pedals around, and change the gear positions? not so easy to drive.

yet, even with the complex architecture of the PS3, and theoretically more under the hood, there has still been no real difference in content quality (and please don't nitpick with "the COD4 looks better on PS3" nonsense). evolving is one thing, but going in such a different direction completely is another.

think of the automobile. a car made 30 years ago has drastically inferior technology to a car made today. yet, i could hop into the driver's seat of either vehicle and be comfortable with the controls. what happens if you take a car today, switch all the pedals around, and change the gear positions? not so easy to drive.

clone01

Clone, the thing here is different. The Ps3 indeed went in a totally different direction, yet they had devs in mind: they bought licenses of 20+ dev middlewares and gave them free to use, made the Playstation Edge tools to make things easier, etc. Also, the most difficult part of the PS3 is the paralel processing methods required by the Cell, and that's becoming a standard even in PC industry with the Quad+ Core processors. Like the guy above said, it's all about evolving.

MOOOOOOOAmyMizuno

Yet another Level 1 / ban-dodging cow thread?

I guess SW doesn't change...

Playstation 3 will eventually win.

Why? Because it will last the longest. It has the exclusive new Ips. It has the developer loyalty. It has the fan loyalty. It has industry respect. It has the innovation. As i said before the hardware and the software has longevity.

The war started when the Wii was released, and so far it is mopping up the competition and it will continue to do so until Nintendo puts out a new system.Adrian_Cloud

uh, no? none of those. In fact, the 360 has most of those.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

yet, even with the complex architecture of the PS3, and theoretically more under the hood, there has still been no real difference in content quality (and please don't nitpick with "the COD4 looks better on PS3" nonsense). evolving is one thing, but going in such a different direction completely is another.

think of the automobile. a car made 30 years ago has drastically inferior technology to a car made today. yet, i could hop into the driver's seat of either vehicle and be comfortable with the controls. what happens if you take a car today, switch all the pedals around, and change the gear positions? not so easy to drive.

SambaLele

Clone, the thing here is different. The Ps3 indeed went in a totally different direction, yet they had devs in mind: they bought licenses of 20+ dev middlewares and gave them free to use, made the Playstation Edge tools to make things easier, etc. Also, the most difficult part of the PS3 is the paralel processing methods required by the Cell, and that's becoming a standard even in PC industry with the Quad+ Core processors. Like the guy above said, it's all about evolving.

true, they did try something different, and i commend them for that. i do question of dev support. they did give out kits (the Edge tools are news to me), but i don't think enough of them, and not nearly enough advance time from launch. my question is this: has that really benefitted Sony? lets look at the comparisons. i'll go by graphics, simply because its easier to quantify. Uncharted looks slightly (and just slightly; i'm not going into fanboy mode here) better than Gears of War. These are (were, I guess for GeOW) exclusives for each system. Is the graphical prowess of the PS3 not being utilized, are the devs lazy, or is it that really a matter of, when it comes down to it, two consoles which are more or less equal, sans the PS3 being harder to develop for?

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] Playstation 3 will eventually win.

Why? Because it will last the longest. It has the exclusive new Ips. It has the developer loyalty. It has the fan loyalty. It has industry respect. It has the innovation. As i said before the hardware and the software has longevity.

The war started when the Wii was released, and so far it is mopping up the competition and it will continue to do so until Nintendo puts out a new system.smarb001

uh, no? none of those. In fact, the 360 has most of those.

What? how about explaining yourself.

PS2 Timeline:

March 4, 2000 - Playstation 2 releases

(Next year and a half, PS2 has virtually no games. Dreamcast continued to dominate.)

August 7, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec
September 25, 2001 - Nobody noticed, but Playstation 2 got a sleeper killer ap; Ico
October 16, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Devil May Cry
October 22, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Grand Theft Auto III
October 30, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
November 16, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Metal Gear Solid 2
December 4, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Jak and Daxter
December 18, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Final Fantasy X

AmyMizuno

The DC never dominated. Due to an extremely low advertising budget many people never heard of it and it had poor sales despite some amazing software. The DC also failed to garner heavy support from larger companies such as EA, while at the same time the PS2 had a tremendous graphical edge over the DC that major studios were all too happy to work with. The PS2 had virtually no competition until the Xbox and GC released at about the same price, and by then the PS2 had such a strong library it didn't matter.

PS3 Timeline:

November 11, 2006 - Playstation 3 releases

(Next year and a half, PS3 has virtually no games. Xbox 360 continues to dominate.)

AmyMizuno

And the Wii destroys both of them. Nonetheless the PS3 launched last amid heavy competition with a higher price point and without the graphical edge it claimed during the launch of the previous generation. More importantly, unlike the DC, the 360 enjoys huge support from most devs with the biggest library of titles and the advertisement budget for both the Wii and 360 are enormous leading to strong sales for both of them.

My point is that good games take time. Not to mention that Microsoft is in an especially weak position right now because of Windows Vista floppage and their Yahoo merger debacle. Microsoft may have been willing to take risks on the original Xbox, but when money is tighter for the company, they will not be taking as many risks-- instead resorting to releasing the same games over and over in an attempt to boost sales. Enjoy Gears of War 2, I have better things to look forward to.

AmyMizuno

My point is the PS3 is not the PS2 and their situations are very, very different.

Microsoft may have been willing to take risks on the original Xbox, but when money is tighter for the company, they will not be taking as many risks

AmyMizuno

Money is tighter at Microsoft? :?

Do you know who Microsoft is? :roll:

PS2 Timeline:

March 4, 2000 - Playstation 2 releases

(Next year and a half, PS2 has virtually no games. Dreamcast continues to dominate.)

August 7, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec
September 25, 2001 - Nobody noticed, but Playstation 2 got a sleeper killer ap; Ico
October 16, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Devil May Cry
October 22, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Grand Theft Auto III
October 30, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
November 16, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Metal Gear Solid 2
December 4, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Jak and Daxter
December 18, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Final Fantasy X

PS3 Timeline:

November 11, 2006 - Playstation 3 releases

(Next year and a half, PS3 has virtually no games. Xbox 360 continues to dominate.)

My point is that good games take time. Not to mention that Microsoft is in an especially weak position right now because of Windows Vista floppage and their Yahoo merger debacle. Microsoft may have been willing to take risks on the original Xbox, but when money is tighter for the company, they will not be taking as many risks-- instead resorting to releasing the same games over and over in an attempt to boost sales. Enjoy Gears of War 2, I have better things to look forward to.

AmyMizuno

2. You then go on to show that by your count 6 killer apps before the competition launched with two more dropping the month after they launched. How is that anywhere close to the PS3 situation? If anything you showed a weaker console with a strong library can defeat a stronger one. Your post supports the 360 continuing to beat the PS3, not the PS3 winning. If you actually place consoles in that list by commonality not who manufactured them, the 360 most closely resembles the PS2, and the PS3 most close resembles the Xbox. The 360 has the games and the headstart, and the PS3 has the tech advantage and was late to the game(except the xbox was able to display its power advantage from day one, something the PS3 has yet to do). It hasn't made up any ground since it launched(It was outsold enough in late 06 to negate what it sold the 360 by in 07). The only thing that kept the PS3 in the race was the RROD. Without that, the PS3 would be even further behind than the roughly 7 million machines it still finds itself behind.

3. Most of MS's hits so far this gen have been new IP's. Mass Effect, Kameo, Dead Rising, GeOW, Saint's Row, etc. Most of the "hits" sony is/was banking on are/were sequals (MGS4, GT5, DMC4, etc). Calling out MS for releaings "the same games over and over", and NOT mentioning Sony merely displays an EXTREME bias.

4. MS isn't shelving their console like Sega did. If Sega had been able to stick around, they may have even slowed Sony enough to NOT have the generation basically decided before its competition arrived. MS has already sold twice as many 360's as Sega did dreamcasts. There are no good reasons to try to put the 360 as the DC, and the PS3 as the PS2, since neither fits the situation the former found itself in.

PS2 Timeline:

March 4, 2000 - Playstation 2 releases

(Next year and a half, PS2 has virtually no games. Dreamcast continues to dominate.)

August 7, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec
September 25, 2001 - Nobody noticed, but Playstation 2 got a sleeper killer ap; Ico
October 16, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Devil May Cry
October 22, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Grand Theft Auto III
October 30, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
November 16, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Metal Gear Solid 2
December 4, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Jak and Daxter
December 18, 2001 - Playstation 2 gets a killer ap; Final Fantasy X

PS3 Timeline:

November 11, 2006 - Playstation 3 releases

(Next year and a half, PS3 has virtually no games. Xbox 360 continues to dominate.)

My point is that good games take time. Not to mention that Microsoft is in an especially weak position right now because of Windows Vista floppage and their Yahoo merger debacle. Microsoft may have been willing to take risks on the original Xbox, but when money is tighter for the company, they will not be taking as many risks-- instead resorting to releasing the same games over and over in an attempt to boost sales. Enjoy Gears of War 2, I have better things to look forward to.

AmyMizuno

2. You then go on to show that by your count 6 killer apps before the competition launched with two more dropping the month after they launched. How is that anywhere close to the PS3 situation? If anything you showed a weaker console with a strong library can defeat a stronger one. Your post supports the 360 continuing to beat the PS3, not the PS3 winning. If you actually place consoles in that list by commonality not who manufactured them, the 360 most closely resembles the PS2, and the PS3 most close resembles the Xbox. The 360 has the games and the headstart, and the PS3 has the tech advantage and was late to the game(except the xbox was able to display its power advantage from day one, something the PS3 has yet to do). It hasn't made up any ground since it launched(It was outsold enough in late 06 to negate what it sold the 360 by in 07). The only thing that kept the PS3 in the race was the RROD. Without that, the PS3 would be even further behind than the roughly 7 million machines it still finds itself behind.

3. Most of MS's hits so far this gen have been new IP's. Mass Effect, Kameo, Dead Rising, GeOW, Saint's Row, etc. Most of the "hits" sony is/was banking on are/were sequals (MGS4, GT5, DMC4, etc). Calling out MS for releaings "the same games over and over", and NOT mentioning Sony merely displays an EXTREME bias.

4. MS isn't shelving their console like Sega did. If Sega had been able to stick around, they may have even slowed Sony enough to NOT have the generation basically decided before its competition arrived. MS has already sold twice as many 360's as Sega did dreamcasts. There are no good reasons to try to put the 360 as the DC, and the PS3 as the PS2, since neither fits the situation the former found itself in.

they will not be taking as many risks-- instead resorting to releasing the same games over and over in an attempt to boost sales. Enjoy Gears of War 2, I have better things to look forward to.

AmyMizuno

GT 5, FF13, Tekken 6, MGS4, Socom 3, Getaway 3, etc.

:|

It's the Wii dominating...

And I'll be looking forward to Banjo and Kazooie thank you very much.

For someone who just seems to have joined, you have a pretty good statement. Most people these days just sign up in GS just to make fanboy comments/topics or ads.

You get a 10/10 from me :D

Rhen_Var

It's someone too scared to post it on their regular account.

[QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]

they will not be taking as many risks-- instead resorting to releasing the same games over and over in an attempt to boost sales. Enjoy Gears of War 2, I have better things to look forward to.

heretrix

GT 5, FF13, Tekken 6, MGS4, Socom 3, Getaway 3, etc.

:|

:| and LITTLE BIG PLANET, Eight Days, Infamous, HEAVY RAIN, L.A Noire,White knight story,

the ps3 and wii will beat the 360 the 360 has been out for 2x as long as the ps3 and the ps3 catching up in the sales very fast

the ps3 has blu ray free online littlebigplanet mgs4 killzone2 resistince2 and lots of other stuff and the wii has a cool control yay :D

im not saying the 360 is bad i just perfer the ps3

What you fail to see is the Wii is a major factor. Also what you fail to see is the difference is that the killer apps last gen were exclusives and those killer apps are now multiplats, DMC and GTA, just to name a couple. And so far Sony's best games are multiplats. And one more thing, Sony stuck with one sku for a long time until the slim line came out. This time around they changed, discontinued, and introduced new skus all within a year. And one more thing, the PS3 still got the highest starting price for a gaming console.

What you fail to see is the Wii is a major factor. Also what you fail to see is the difference is that the killer apps last gen were exclusives and those killer apps are now multiplats, DMC and GTA, just to name a couple. And so far Sony's best games are multiplats. And one more thing, Sony stuck with one sku for a long time until the slim line came out. This time around they changed, discontinued, and introduced new skus all within a year. And one more thing, the PS3 still got the highest starting price for a gaming console.

ReverseCycology

And it still managed to outsell the 360 ( still surprises me)

The Wii will still win though . The causual appeal is working thus far. I still can't find one

the ps3 and wii will beat the 360 the 360 has been out for 2x as long as the ps3 and the ps3 catching up in the sales very fast

toast_burner

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="AmyMizuno"]

they will not be taking as many risks-- instead resorting to releasing the same games over and over in an attempt to boost sales. Enjoy Gears of War 2, I have better things to look forward to.

Adrian_Cloud

GT 5, FF13, Tekken 6, MGS4, Socom 3, Getaway 3, etc.

:|

:| and LITTLE BIG PLANET, Eight Days, Infamous, HEAVY RAIN, L.A Noire,White knight story,

I don't need a list of titles coming out for the PS3. I'm well aware of what's to come. THAT'S WHY I OWN ONE.

I just want to give a shout out to the hypocrites in the house..

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

I've been saying the same thing. The PS2 was hard to code for when it came out, just like the PS3. Microsoft is using a Windows based code for the 360, which dev dont know Windows.

CubanBlunt

You mean a console manufacterer made a console that is EASY for developers to work with? Why sir, the whole idea is laughable!

You statement is laughable, get your word together, then holla back!!

fixed...seriously, what's wrong with making something that is easy to work with from day one? i'm not bashing the PS3 (i'll be buying the MGS4 bundle very soon), but its silly to make a console without keeping the developers in mind.

Thats a easy question with a simple answer. Evolve! You thing going from cartridges to CD's, easy, no. Thats not Sony's problem. If developers want to evolve, they have to learn new formats, codes, software, and ideas. I guess we should have just staied with cartridges.

Putting information onto a DVD is the same process as putting it onto a Blu-ray disc. Blu-ray does not make it harder to code for...

The way the PS3 architecture is makes it hard to develop for when first getting into it. You have a much slower drive that you need to stream data off of, and then as everyone knows the main processing unit within the PS3, the Cell. The Cell is what makes it hard to develop on not the Blu-ray format.

To the OP,

although Vista isn't MS's best OS, it's still making them a ton more money, as it's their primary source of income, by a huge proportion. Vista "floppage" is still more successful than all other software manufactures combined, and certainly more than Xbox. The Xbox project is still far far into the red as an overall project. It will be quite a while until it can be declared a success, if it ever can be.

The one thing you can't take away from Sony is their ability to turn a profit with their consoles. They make very good hardware, and carry a very brand loyal customer base, hence why you are seeing the PS3 start to gain momentum with more affordable pricing.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

the ps3 and wii will beat the 360 the 360 has been out for 2x as long as the ps3 and the ps3 catching up in the sales very fast

Steppy_76

youre probably just looking at U.S. sales. the ps3 is vastly outselling the 360 in japan, combined with the apparent shortage of 360's in the past 2 months and there's your answer

money tight?

Vista flop? o.O Everyone purchasing a new ready made PC is force fed vista :roll:

PS2 Timeline:

March 4, 2000 - Playstation 2 releases

(Next year and a half, PS2 has virtually no games. Dreamcast continues to dominate.)

AmyMizuno

It what parallel universe did this happen , Dreamcast domination for 1,5 year ?

Stop the deluding yourself , Dreamcast was d.o.a. , the PS2 had no , read again no competition for the first year and that was the only reason it could do well even without good games , the PS3 doesn't have that luxury !

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

What you fail to see is the Wii is a major factor. Also what you fail to see is the difference is that the killer apps last gen were exclusives and those killer apps are now multiplats, DMC and GTA, just to name a couple. And so far Sony's best games are multiplats. And one more thing, Sony stuck with one sku for a long time until the slim line came out. This time around they changed, discontinued, and introduced new skus all within a year. And one more thing, the PS3 still got the highest starting price for a gaming console.

hayato_

And it still managed to outsell the 360 ( still surprises me)

The Wii will still win though . The causual appeal is working thus far. I still can't find one

That would be Neo Geo

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"][QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

I've been saying the same thing. The PS2 was hard to code for when it came out, just like the PS3. Microsoft is using a Windows based code for the 360, which dev dont know Windows.

spinecaton

You mean a console manufacterer made a console that is EASY for developers to work with? Why sir, the whole idea is laughable!

You statement is laughable, get your word together, then holla back!!

fixed...seriously, what's wrong with making something that is easy to work with from day one? i'm not bashing the PS3 (i'll be buying the MGS4 bundle very soon), but its silly to make a console without keeping the developers in mind.

Thats a easy question with a simple answer. Evolve! You thing going from cartridges to CD's, easy, no. Thats not Sony's problem. If developers want to evolve, they have to learn new formats, codes, software, and ideas. I guess we should have just staied with cartridges.

Putting information onto a DVD is the same process as putting it onto a Blu-ray disc. Blu-ray does not make it harder to code for...

The way the PS3 architecture is makes it hard to develop for when first getting into it. You have a much slower drive that you need to stream data off of, and then as everyone knows the main processing unit within the PS3, the Cell. The Cell is what makes it hard to develop on not the Blu-ray format.

This is true. A dvd and a CD and HDDVD and bluray all hold the same information, just larger quantities of it. PS3 hardware is the problem, for example, low throughput from cpu to gpu. lack of video ram. and jsut the archetecture of the cell on its own, which doesnt act like normal cpu's do. You have to code multithread for the sub processors, but thats not an easy task in video games, but in the mvoie world, its much easier, and regular code that doesnt require a dominoe effect of code to follow,. In terms of video games, one thing cant ocntinue until it receives infor on the previous code stream, like you cant antialias an image without the image. So teh cell doesnt help it there and the coding is way more complex.