Wii and wiimote plus underwhelming.

First Nintendo released the wimote promising a more engaging experience because of its Wiimote, while in reality the wiimote clearly was unresposiveness and only made way for it use in cash-in minigames.The waggle control were a great marketing scheme, but in reality didnt improved any gaming mechanics.

No games released with the wiimote trully made the controlling of games better, mostly made it worse, proven by the fact that the gamecube controller still the best controller for the console. Players chosing to play Brawl and twilight princess with the gamecube controller... wich is even more comical since both games could even be played on the gamecube itself... even having the superior version of one in the gamecube (melee).

Now Nintendo comes with the wiimote plus+ 3 years after to do what it hyped the wii supposedly could do, charge for it, offer small games support for it and again completly misrepresent the capabilities of the ""thing". Promises 1:1.... haha... anyone that played with the wiimote plus+ know that is BS.

And goes futher to make the delusional statment that the "PS3 wand is just like the wimote ps3", just to show a 1 nintendo game using the PLUS that fails in comparision to impress to a TECH DEMO Sony rushly showed.

The Sony demo alone showed what really is motion control better than the whole Wii library could in 3 years.

Natal demo was really impressed also... the technology behind at least really is advanced.

How come nintendo fans cant see they are holding to its console purely by nostalgic reasons and outside of the sales that were helped by the mainstream media and the novelty the Wii holds no value whatsoever for gamers.

Of course we will se great series on the wii because of its sales, like the DQ or MH3, but this will only make the gaming comunity lose what a true next gen sequel could have been.

When will the gamers realize how underwhelming the Nintendo console is, in every aspect, even more so in the controls.

By releasing a gimped motion control so it could be called innovative, made something that didn't improved the gaming experince and it just banalized the motion control which could be used to really improve gaming when the technology wa ready.

SALES ASIDE:

Wiimote plus is 1:1? Wii is Underwhelming?

Would it be better if the effort in motion controls was to improve the gaming possibilities instead of banalizing with a technology that underwhelming in gaming perspective.

Controls work fine and give games a new aspect. For example, worked well for Twilight Princess (Bow and arrow was good, swinging remote felt natural in sword fighting), Metroid Prime 3 (Wii Remote made my hand feel like it was Samus' onscreen), Medal of Honour Heroes 2, No More Heroes, Okami, Madden NFL etc. I could go on.

Point is, the Wii Remote still gave "nostalgia" you claim that Wii fans are stuck in a new feel aswell as other third party games a new feel. Wii Motion Plus will take this further.

Wii fans enjoy the control scheme and I'm sorry that you don't. It works, it's comfortable and it sells.

Your post implies that you do not have a lot of experience with the wii. While there are games for wii that have poorly implemented motion controls, most of the quality games for wii either have great motion controls or a variety of control options. For example, you claim that twilight princess is better with a gamecube controller. Most people who I have talked to who have played both versions prefer wii controls. As far as the basic sword attack, flicking the wii remote requires about as much physical effort as a button press and is just as responsive. The basic sword attack may not have been improved with motion controls, but it is not any worse, just about the same. However, I have heard that sword combat overall is easier with the wiimote nunchuck combo, since the motion controls make it easier to perform the hidden skills. Also, aiming with the bow/hookshot/boomerang is greatly improved due to IR. Brawl is arguably better than melee due to the balance of characters and the vast amount of content in the game.

Games such as Mario Galaxy, No More Heroes, Bully SE, Excite Trucks/Bots (this is just off of the top of my head) make great use of a combination of motion and button controls with either the wiimote or wiimote/nunchuck combo.

Some games show how wii can provide a much better control scheme than dual analogs when implemented properly. For example, Resident Evil 4 wii's controls are vastly improved over the dual analog versions of the game. Many people here really like the wiimote/nunchuck combo for FPS games over dual analogs also (however keyboard and mouse wil is still probably the best overall in the minds of most of the posters here.

Wii motion plus just game out. Based on the tech demo of Sony's motion control, it does not seem any better than wii motion plus. It just came out, so it's to early to say it's a failure. Many people here claim it works magnificently in Grand Slam Tennis. Sony's motion control system is clearly a wiimote ripoff, and it was just a tech demo. Demos can often be misleading regarding how well things work (many people thought Red Steel 1's controls would work well at first, look how that turned out). With Sony and Microsoft, it's to early to tell.

You obviously are biased against the wii. You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to dismiss it.

I have about 50 Wii games, 40 of which I consider benefit greatly from the Wii control options.

I own SportsResort with MotionPlus and it blows me away. It's incredibly what they do when you think of what MotionPlus really is (a tilt sensor, nothing more).

First Nintendo released the wimote promising a more engaging experience because of its Wiimote, while in reality the wiimote clearly was unresposiveness and only made way for it use in cash-in minigames.The waggle control were a great marketing scheme, but in reality didnt improved any gaming mechanics.

No games released with the wiimote trully made the controlling of games better, mostly made it worse, proven by the fact that the gamecube controller still the best controller for the console. Players chosing to play Brawl and twilight princess with the gamecube controller... wich is even more comical since both games could even be played on the gamecube itself... even having the superior version of one in the gamecube (melee).

Now Nintendo comes with the wiimote plus+ 3 years after to do what it hyped the wii supposedly could do, charge for it, offer small games support for it and again completly misrepresent the capabilities of the ""thing". Promises 1:1.... haha... anyone that played with the wiimote plus+ know that is BS.

And goes futher to make the delusional statment that the "PS3 wand is just like the wimote ps3", just to show a 1 nintendo game using the PLUS that fails in comparision to impress to a TECH DEMO Sony rushly showed.

The Sony demo alone showed what really is motion control better than the whole Wii library could in 3 years.

Natal demo was really impressed also... the technology behind at least really is advanced.

How come nintendo fans cant see they are holding to its console purely by nostalgic reasons and outside of the sales that were helped by the mainstream media and the novelty the Wii holds no value whatsoever for gamers.

Of course we will se great series on the wii because of its sales, like the DQ or MH3, but this will only make the gaming comunity lose what a true next gen sequel could have been.

When will the gamers realize how underwhelming the Nintendo console is, in every aspect, even more so in the controls.

By releasing a gimped motion control so it could be called innovative, made something that didn't improved the gaming experince and it just banalized the motion control which could be used to really improve gaming when the technology wa ready.

SALES ASIDE:

Wiimote plus is 1:1? Wii is Underwhelming?

Would it be better if the effort in motion controls was to improve the gaming possibilities instead of banalizing with a technology that underwhelming in gaming perspective.

ropumar

IMO if the motion controls ACTUALLY WORKED it really would be a great machine but they simply don't work as reliably and precisely as I need as a long time gamer. The quality is simply not there imo, and I just tried Motion Plus too and completely agree with you. Motion Plus to me has just as many issues as the standard motion control but in slightly different ways now.

I'm actually starting to get quite angry at the situation to be honest.

I've not even picked motion plus up cause theres 0 games coming out i want on the wii let alone one that makes use of motion plus.

Anyone else agree, or wanna share some ideas?

wiimote controls work just fine... if they dont, thats usually the fault of the dev

You really think the controller is able to achieve thing that are impossible to do with a dual analog and thus is usefull, or you just like the replacing of buttons with pre-defined motions?

And about the wiimote plus, you really believe is 1:1, acording to your experience?

You think the wimote plus can be as good as the tech demo that sony showed and is not dated?

First Nintendo released the wimote promising a more engaging experience because of its Wiimote, while in reality the wiimote clearly was unresposiveness and only made way for it use in cash-in minigames.The waggle control were a great marketing scheme, but in reality didnt improved any gaming mechanics.

No games released with the wiimote trully made the controlling of games better, mostly made it worse, proven by the fact that the gamecube controller still the best controller for the console. Players chosing to play Brawl and twilight princess with the gamecube controller... wich is even more comical since both games could even be played on the gamecube itself... even having the superior version of one in the gamecube (melee).

Now Nintendo comes with the wiimote plus+ 3 years after to do what it hyped the wii supposedly could do, charge for it, offer small games support for it and again completly misrepresent the capabilities of the ""thing". Promises 1:1.... haha... anyone that played with the wiimote plus+ know that is BS.

And goes futher to make the delusional statment that the "PS3 wand is just like the wimote ps3", just to show a 1 nintendo game using the PLUS that fails in comparision to impress to a TECH DEMO Sony rushly showed.

The Sony demo alone showed what really is motion control better than the whole Wii library could in 3 years.

Natal demo was really impressed also... the technology behind at least really is advanced.

How come nintendo fans cant see they are holding to its console purely by nostalgic reasons and outside of the sales that were helped by the mainstream media and the novelty the Wii holds no value whatsoever for gamers.

Of course we will se great series on the wii because of its sales, like the DQ or MH3, but this will only make the gaming comunity lose what a true next gen sequel could have been.

When will the gamers realize how underwhelming the Nintendo console is, in every aspect, even more so in the controls.

By releasing a gimped motion control so it could be called innovative, made something that didn't improved the gaming experince and it just banalized the motion control which could be used to really improve gaming when the technology wa ready.

SALES ASIDE:

Wiimote plus is 1:1? Wii is Underwhelming?

Would it be better if the effort in motion controls was to improve the gaming possibilities instead of banalizing with a technology that underwhelming in gaming perspective.

ropumar

(I'm gonna try to keep this short and sweet because I am beginning to tire of my posting and I can bet SW is tiring of me posting the sames thing)

The wiimote was not one to one. It is what it is. The wii and what it did for the perception of games was pretty big. People who never gamed well, gamed. The thing was popular because it wasn't about holding a controller with 12 buttons and tons of directional input and telling people to figure it out. The point of the Wiimote was to make playing games easier, not to make them 1 to 1. 1 to 1 is just something everyone assumed to be what the point was. The wiimote tech was new, thus it was hard to implement into tradititional game design which is why many games use the controller prooly. In my personal opinion however games like World of Goo and Zack and Wiki used the wiimote to improve gameplay rather than just take it sideways. I'm not going to argue with someoone who doesn't want to like something however, that's pointless so let's move on.

The wii has given me some great things that the PS3 and 360 wouldn't have produced. It gave us games like Tramua Centre, Swords and Soldiers,Zack and Wiki, Tiger Woods 10 etc. A lot of these games, (not all of them)may not have everbeen released in their current form if the Wii didn't exist if released at all. Evenwithout the wii's controls it has given some developers a chance to come out and create or strive to create cool differentgames from the average PS3/360 game. All I ever read on SW is how people want the Wii to be a PS3/360. Why can't I enjoy it for what it is and not want itto change?The novelty of the wii helped me get games like A boy and his Blob, Silent Hill: Shattered memory, Zack and Wiki, Truama centre etc. I can deal with the controls disappointing since I'm getting games that would not have ever come to fruitation other wise.

As for MH3 and DQ10, I really don't see what those games being on the wii has to do with them not being better or evolving. I guess I'm more interested in looking forward to what exists now instead of what may exist but eh, whatever. I don't have all that high standards for a lot of things it seems. No loss to me.

Basically, the wii's effect isn't simply in how the controls work, its about what came from the controls and I saw a lot of positive that I would personally be disappointed about if it didn't exist.

You really think the controller is able to achieve thing that are impossible to do with a dual analog and thus is usefull, or you just like the replacing of buttons with pre-defined motions?

dual analog is a sloppy control scheme for FPS's. the wiimote has its uses, but just like the traditional controller, it isnt the best for everything

And about the wiimote plus, you really believe is 1:1, acording to your experience?

havent tried the wiimote plus yet

You think the wimote plus can be as good as the tech demo that sony showed and is not dated?

dont be fooled by tech demos. wait until people have a chance to use it and see for themselves

ropumar

First Nintendo released the wimote promising a more engaging experience because of its Wiimote, while in reality the wiimote clearly was unresposiveness and only made way for it use in cash-in minigames.The waggle control were a great marketing scheme, but in reality didnt improved any gaming mechanics.
ropumar

Wow. All those reviews from different site, including this one, actually think the control works well in some games.

No games released with the wiimote trully made the controlling of games better, mostly made it worse, proven by the fact that the gamecube controller still the best controller for the console.
ropumar

Players chosing to play Brawl and twilight princess with the gamecube controller... wich is even more comical since both games could even be played on the gamecube itself... even having the superior version of one in the gamecube (melee).
ropumar

Brawl could be played exactly the same on the GC? The graphics are exactly like the GC, and the framerate would be the same?
And would you believe some players opt to use the nunchuck combination?
Or you have some more magical proof that all players choos the GC controller?

Now Nintendo comes with the wiimote plus+ 3 years after to do what it hyped the wii supposedly could do, charge for it, offer small games support for it and again completly misrepresent the capabilities of the ""thing". Promises 1:1.... haha... anyone that played with the wiimote plus+ know that is BS.
ropumar

Offer small game support? You don't think allowing EA to release their games first was a good move?
And do you realize you don't HAVE to buy it or HAVE to use it?
And that shouldn't even bother since you won't be missing out on anything you are interested in.

And goes futher to make the delusional statment that the "PS3 wand is just like the wimote ps3", just to show a 1 nintendo game using the PLUS that fails in comparision to impress to a TECH DEMO Sony rushly showed.
ropumar

The Sony demo alone showed what really is motion control better than the whole Wii library could in 3 years.
ropumar

Natal demo was really impressed also... the technology behind at least really is advanced.
ropumar

This is where you lose credibility. Natal is impressive in some areas, but really weak in others. How about that delay with fast motion Natal can't seem to overcome? Watch the demo vids of the ball game, the paint game, or anything with someone moving slightly fast.
Heck, someone posted a pic of the driving game where the players arms were obviously turned, but the game didn't catch up yet, showing the game drivers hand at the opposite position.
Someone with your degree of scrutiny would have noticed this, or if you did notice it, why didn't you mention it?

How come nintendo fans cant see they are holding to its console purely by nostalgic reasons and outside of the sales that were helped by the mainstream media and the novelty the Wii holds no value whatsoever for gamers.
ropumar

When will the gamers realize how underwhelming the Nintendo console is, in every aspect, even more so in the controls.
ropumar

You really think the controller is able to achieve thing that are impossible to do with a dual analog and thus is usefull, or you just like the replacing of buttons with pre-defined motions?

And about the wiimote plus, you really believe is 1:1, acording to your experience?

You think the wimote plus can be as good as the tech demo that sony showed and is not dated?

ropumar

Why would you want a 1:1 ratio? In all non simulation games (which is most games) you would not want to swing the controler over your head to do an overhead slash.

This is a pretty premature post to make right before WiiSports Resort releases in NA. SO far all hands on impressions have been very positive.

Plus, pick up Tiger Woods golf this year, its a fantastic game that finally feels like real golf thanks to WiiMotion+.

Seriously, premature at its best.

This is a pretty premature post to make right before WiiSports Resort releases in NA. SO far all hands on impressions have been very positive.

Plus, pick up Tiger Woods golf this year, its a fantastic game that finally feels like real golf thanks to WiiMotion+.

Seriously, premature at its best.

-Despacio-

Those are simulation games, exact genere I excluded.