Wii Demographic

What does it say to developers when:

The best selling non-bundled game is Wii Play (5.4) outselling zelda

Wii sports (7.8 ) is best selling game in Japan (not bundled there)

Other top selling games includes WarioWare, Mario Party 8 and Rayman Raving Rabbids

Red Steel (5.5) sells over 1 million worldwide

???

It says we want party games.

It says we can't tell the difference between crap games and good games.

What developers and games do you think this demographic will attract?

What does it say to developers when:

The best selling non-bundled game is Wii Play (5.4) outselling zelda

Wii sports (7.8 ) is best selling game in Japan (not bundled there)

Other top selling games includes WarioWare, Mario Party 8 and Rayman Raving Rabbids

Red Steel (5.5) sells over 1 million worldwide

???

It says we want party games.

It says we can't tell the difference between crap games and good games.

What developers and games do you think this demographic will attract?

me2002

[QUOTE="me2002"]

What does it say to developers when:

The best selling non-bundled game is Wii Play (5.4) outselling zelda

Wii sports (7.8 ) is best selling game in Japan (not bundled there)

Other top selling games includes WarioWare, Mario Party 8 and Rayman Raving Rabbids

Red Steel (5.5) sells over 1 million worldwide

???

It says we want party games.

It says we can't tell the difference between crap games and good games.

What developers and games do you think this demographic will attract?

Sir-Marwin105

Yeah, we need more Wario Ware's and less Metal Gear Solids and Resident Evils... What a stupid thing to say.

What does it say to developers when:

The best selling non-bundled game is Wii Play (5.4) outselling zelda

Wii sports (7.8 ) is best selling game in Japan (not bundled there)

Other top selling games includes WarioWare, Mario Party 8 and Rayman Raving Rabbids

Red Steel (5.5) sells over 1 million worldwide

???

It says we want party games.

It says we can't tell the difference between crap games and good games.

What developers and games do you think this demographic will attract?

me2002

I can't believe people put down "party games". "Party games" are for social people. You know, people with friends. "Hardcore games" are for lonely people with no friends who sit by themselves all day. Have you seen the South Park episode where they become hooked on Warcraft? Remember the older, fat guy who sat there all day drinking pop, eating junk food, and playing Warcraft by himself? He's a "hardcore gamer".

Is that what you aspire to? lol

only so many party games can be sold on the Wii... No one is going to buy 5 party games when they already have 1 or 2 that are great. I bought Wario Ware as my party game, and im sticking with it.

I can't believe people put down "party games". "Party games" are for social people. You know, people with friends. "Hardcore games" are for lonely people with no friends who sit by themselves all day. Have you seen the South Park episode where they become hooked on Warcraft? Remember the older, fat guy who sat there all day drinking pop, eating junk food, and playing Warcraft by himself? He's a "hardcore gamer".

Is that what you aspire to? lol

Number_1_Gamer

You care about your image more than how much fun you're having? ok. Don't worry...you'll grow out of that once you hit puberty.

You'd rather play a mini game with your grandma than a game that has depth? :lol:

[QUOTE="Gamer46"][QUOTE="Sir-Marwin105"][QUOTE="me2002"]

What does it say to developers when:

The best selling non-bundled game is Wii Play (5.4) outselling zelda

Wii sports (7.8 ) is best selling game in Japan (not bundled there)

Other top selling games includes WarioWare, Mario Party 8 and Rayman Raving Rabbids

Red Steel (5.5) sells over 1 million worldwide

???

It says we want party games.

It says we can't tell the difference between crap games and good games.

What developers and games do you think this demographic will attract?

Sir-Marwin105

Yeah, we need more Wario Ware's and less Metal Gear Solids and Resident Evils... What a stupid thing to say.

1. I wasn't the one who started this thread.

2. Your post implies exactly what I said it did. That we need more party games and less games for the core gamer, which is a stupid thing to say because if it wasn't for the core gamer most of these companies wouldn't be in the position they are today. Especially Nintendo who is giving all of us the middle finger with their recent attitude. There's no question the PS2 was the casual's system of choice last gen but at least it had tons of great stuff for the core gamer as well, the same can not be said of the Wii's game lineup.

[QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"]

I can't believe people put down "party games". "Party games" are for social people. You know, people with friends. "Hardcore games" are for lonely people with no friends who sit by themselves all day. Have you seen the South Park episode where they become hooked on Warcraft? Remember the older, fat guy who sat there all day drinking pop, eating junk food, and playing Warcraft by himself? He's a "hardcore gamer".

Is that what you aspire to? lol

dracula_16

You care about your image more than how much fun you're having? ok. Don't worry...you'll grow out of that once you hit puberty.

You'd rather play a mini game with your grandma than a game that has depth? :lol:

its because a huge percentage of wii gamers are casuals. this must be accepted as fact.Dr_Neptune

Sadly it's true, Nintendo needs to release some of the more hardcore titles so they can look less casual, even if it's their plan.

What does it say to developers when:

The best selling non-bundled game is Wii Play (5.4) outselling zeldame2002

It says people who own the console want controllers for the console.

Wii sports (7.8 ) is best selling game in Japan (not bundled there)me2002

It says the mass market likes a game which is intuitively accessible. Wii Sports is such a game.

Other top selling games includes WarioWare, Mario Party 8 and Rayman Raving Rabbidsme2002

It says people like fun multiplayer games. It also speaks to the power of brand name.

Red Steel (5.5) sells over 1 million worldwideme2002

It says there is a market for any hardcore game on the Wii, if it is marketed well.

???me2002

It says you're confused and disoriented. :P

What developers and games do you think this demographic will attract?me2002

What, do you think the Wii will only get party games? :lol:

I can't believe people put down "party games". "Party games" are for social people. You know, people with friends. "Hardcore games" are for lonely people with no friends who sit by themselves all day. Have you seen the South Park episode where they become hooked on Warcraft? Remember the older, fat guy who sat there all day drinking pop, eating junk food, and playing Warcraft by himself? He's a "hardcore gamer".

Is that what you aspire to? lol

Number_1_Gamer

The delopers have to start making "real" games with plots and gimmics instead of giving us party game after party game

I can't believe people put down "party games". "Party games" are for social people. You know, people with friends. "Hardcore games" are for lonely people with no friends who sit by themselves all day. Have you seen the South Park episode where they become hooked on Warcraft? Remember the older, fat guy who sat there all day drinking pop, eating junk food, and playing Warcraft by himself? He's a "hardcore gamer".

Is that what you aspire to? lol

Number_1_Gamer

Way to sterotype. It's ok, once you reach the age of 15, 16 maybe you'll mature a little bit more.

[QUOTE="me2002"]

What does it say to developers when:

The best selling non-bundled game is Wii Play (5.4) outselling zeldaHoffgod

It says people who own the console want controllers for the console.

Wii sports (7.8 ) is best selling game in Japan (not bundled there)me2002

It says the mass market likes a game which is intuitively accessible. Wii Sports is such a game.

Other top selling games includes WarioWare, Mario Party 8 and Rayman Raving Rabbidsme2002

It says people like fun multiplayer games. It also speaks to the power of brand name.

Red Steel (5.5) sells over 1 million worldwideme2002

It says there is a market for any hardcore game on the Wii, if it is marketed well.

???me2002

It says you're confused and disoriented. :P

What developers and games do you think this demographic will attract?me2002

What, do you think the Wii will only get party games? :lol:

Actually, their lineup will be made up mostly of that trash because Nintendo themselves have said core gamers don't matter.

What does it say to developers when:

The best selling non-bundled game is Wii Play (5.4) outselling zelda

Wii sports (7.8 ) is best selling game in Japan (not bundled there)

Other top selling games includes WarioWare, Mario Party 8 and Rayman Raving Rabbids

Red Steel (5.5) sells over 1 million worldwide

???

It says we want party games.

It says we can't tell the difference between crap games and good games.

What developers and games do you think this demographic will attract?

me2002

Exactly.

There was a similar thread a few days back about the Wii's fantastic sales numbers... I'll just copy and paste what I wrote rather than retyping something similar to a post I've already written.

It's a matter of developers catering to a given system's demographic, and that is precisely what we've been seeing in practice for the past 8 months on the Wii. For example, if a huge portion of potential Wii game purchasers are "non gamers" (people that didn't tend to enjoy video games prior to the advent of the Wii,) and they are, coupled with the fact that actually developing the type of game non-gamers are most likely to purchase (pick up for 5 minutes, put down. Rinse, lather, repeat) costs a small fraction of what developing a more traditional "old school" type of game costs then said developers are going to use the Wii as a direct pipeline to pump those sorts of games into the hands of the Wii's massive "non gaming" audience. They're going to reserve their larger-budget, traditional games for the 360 and the PS3 where the audience on that side of the fence is, by and large, far more likely to buy the more "hardcore" fare in massive numbers. That's what has been happening and there is absolutely no reason to believe it won't continue to happen. When you combine this trend with the fact that developers can no longer develop a game for one system and spread it across all three you can pretty easily visualize how the Wii's gaming landscape will develop in the upcoming years. A more traditional game developed for the PS3 and/or the 360 can not trickle down to the Wii, its hardware is prohibitively underpowered and its control scheme far too incompatible with those of its competitors.

Nintendo has managed what no other video game company has managed up to this point in the industry's history, they've targeted and locked onto non gamers (your mother, your sister, your aunt, your grandparents, etc.) with enormous success. Now, to maintain this newfound fanbase they're going to have to continue to supply them with games that cater to their tastes; Wii Sports, Wii Play,Monkeyball, WarioWare, etc... simple distractions that can be picked up and put down in 5 minute bursts. Those aren't the types of games most traditional gamers dig, I know I don't. The Wii is harvesting, and will continue to harvest, that sort of library. It has to, Wii developers need to follow the system's already-established audience to have the greatest chance of being financially successful on the platform.

[QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"]

I can't believe people put down "party games". "Party games" are for social people. You know, people with friends. "Hardcore games" are for lonely people with no friends who sit by themselves all day. Have you seen the South Park episode where they become hooked on Warcraft? Remember the older, fat guy who sat there all day drinking pop, eating junk food, and playing Warcraft by himself? He's a "hardcore gamer".

Is that what you aspire to? lol

dracula_16

You care about your image more than how much fun you're having? ok. Don't worry...you'll grow out of that once you hit puberty.

You'd rather play a mini game with your grandma than a game that has depth? :lol:

You'd rather sit alone in your basement getting fatter by the day while downing Coke and Slim Jims than you know, play games with friends. Of course, that assumes you have friends to play games with, which most "hardcore gamers" probably don't. lol

You'd rather sit alone in your basement getting fatter by the day while downing Coke and Slim Jims than you know, play games with friends. Of course, that assumes you have friends to play games with, which most "hardcore gamers" probably don't. lolNumber_1_Gamer

Yahaha, the last thing my buddies want to do when they swing by is play Wii Sports (they don't want to play videogames at all generally.... but something like Wii Sports or Monkeyball? Not a chance in Hell.)

[QUOTE="dracula_16"][QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"]

I can't believe people put down "party games". "Party games" are for social people. You know, people with friends. "Hardcore games" are for lonely people with no friends who sit by themselves all day. Have you seen the South Park episode where they become hooked on Warcraft? Remember the older, fat guy who sat there all day drinking pop, eating junk food, and playing Warcraft by himself? He's a "hardcore gamer".

Is that what you aspire to? lol

Number_1_Gamer

You care about your image more than how much fun you're having? ok. Don't worry...you'll grow out of that once you hit puberty.

You'd rather play a mini game with your grandma than a game that has depth? :lol:

You'd rather sit alone in your basement getting fatter by the day while downing Coke and Slim Jims than you know, play games with friends. Of course, that assumes you have friends to play games with, which most "hardcore gamers" probably don't. lol

-I don't even play PC games

-I play games in my room and not my basement

-I don't eat slim jims or any kind of meat

-None of my friends are interested in games because they think exactly like you do. (they think it's too nerdy)

This is what you "hardcore gamers" are gonna look like in your late 30s:

This is what you "hardcore gamers" are gonna look like in your late 30s:

Number_1_Gamer

I'm 25, so if I'm going to look like that in 13 years I better start packing in the cake and soda... because I've got a long way to go.

The third parties are not taking the Wii seriously so they end up making bad games and the casuals don't seem to mind so that the third parties are now getting lazier.blizzvalve

I hate this argument.

There can only be so many games of a particular genre that eventually one company will make a title stand out so much that other developers will have to increase their standards to match it

Let's use party games, for example. The Mario Party series has been getting stale, yet they continue to sell well. What if DeveloperABC comes along and releases a vastly superior party game and blows away the Mario Party series? Now Nintendo needs to push the Mario Party series until it can surpass the standards DeveloperABC had set. This competition leads to better games.

Even the Wii doesn't have room for a dozen subpar games of a particular genre. The reason some of these efforts are doing well now is because they don't have any competition. Red Steel is a prime example. It sold well not only because it was a launch title, but also because it's a unique game, at least for the Wii. If there was another game like Red Steel that was better, I'm sure that game would have sold more copies and Red Steel would have sold less.

its because a huge percentage of wii gamers are casuals. this must be accepted as fact.Dr_Neptune

:lol: I guess minigames are the reason why casuals had the PS2.

Actually, their lineup will be made up mostly of that trash because Nintendo themselves have said core gamers don't matter.

Gamer46

Link?

[QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"]

I can't believe people put down "party games". "Party games" are for social people. You know, people with friends. "Hardcore games" are for lonely people with no friends who sit by themselves all day. Have you seen the South Park episode where they become hooked on Warcraft? Remember the older, fat guy who sat there all day drinking pop, eating junk food, and playing Warcraft by himself? He's a "hardcore gamer".

Is that what you aspire to? lol

dracula_16

You care about your image more than how much fun you're having? ok. Don't worry...you'll grow out of that once you hit puberty.

You'd rather play a mini game with your grandma than a game that has depth? :lol:

Exactly :lol:

Ironically, the guy's name is "Number 1 Gamer" :lol:

Is this you BloatWare?

Seriously, where did you get a picture of me?

Number_1_Gamer.... BATHROOM!

I can't believe people put down "party games". "Party games" are for social people. You know, people with friends. "Hardcore games" are for lonely people with no friends who sit by themselves all day. Have you seen the South Park episode where they become hooked on Warcraft? Remember the older, fat guy who sat there all day drinking pop, eating junk food, and playing Warcraft by himself? He's a "hardcore gamer".

Is that what you aspire to? lol

Number_1_Gamer

My friends don't play much games except a few, we'd rather go out than stay home and play games although its good for those boring days.The ones who are into gaming like pc games and ps2/ps3. I'm the only one who's got a 360 but I play withpeople I don't get to see often on xbl which is great.

[QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"]

I can't believe people put down "party games". "Party games" are for social people. You know, people with friends. "Hardcore games" are for lonely people with no friends who sit by themselves all day. Have you seen the South Park episode where they become hooked on Warcraft? Remember the older, fat guy who sat there all day drinking pop, eating junk food, and playing Warcraft by himself? He's a "hardcore gamer".

Is that what you aspire to? lol

dracula_16

You care about your image more than how much fun you're having? ok. Don't worry...you'll grow out of that once you hit puberty.

You'd rather play a mini game with your grandma than a game that has depth? :lol: