Wii is as powerful as Last Gen's XBox - a dev's POV...

Here is a couple of game developers that compare the Wii to the original Xbox.

Great read, and gives a pretty good indication that the Wii is just an "Last Gen" machine with a new controller.

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2007/05/08/geek-out-xbox-uber-boss-robbie-bach-takes-a-shot-at-nintendo-s-underpowered-wii-does-he-manage-to-score-a-bulls-eye-or-just-shoot-himself-in-the-foot.aspx

"Our final verdict on the charges leveled at the Wii? While Bach's statement that the Wii is graphically underpowered compared to the first Xbox wasn't quite a bulls-eye, it's so darned close to the mark--technically speaking--that we've got to compliment him on his aim. "

"Our second source echoed that assessment of the Wii's graphics chip, comparing its fixed-function design to that the Gamecube, saying that it was "basically pretty similar" to Nvidia's seven-year-old GeForce2.":shock:"

Hides under table, picks up garbage can lid and hides..............

If devs use the Wii's power to its full extent, it is possible for the games to surpass even the best XBox games... 

Devs can claim what they want, we all saw the Spiderman screenshots.apolloluke

Need I remind you how it looked pretty bad on all consoles...

Need I remind you how it looked pretty bad on all consoles...

Ganon_919

Need I remind you the first Spiderman game for PS2 looks the same or better? 

"That assessment dovetailed with what we heard from our first source. "Almost all the shader effects on PC, Xbox 360 and PS3 can be reproduced on the Wii by re-implementing them with the fixed function hardware of the Wii's GPU. Most games just port the effect over. A few teams have gone as far as making a shader-to-Wii conversion tool. It reads the shader code and generates the fixed function code necessary to achieve the same result. Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results." Enjoy. From the same article.luigigreen

Pssst.  I don't think the TC wanted people to read that part.

[QUOTE="luigigreen"]"That assessment dovetailed with what we heard from our first source. "Almost all the shader effects on PC, Xbox 360 and PS3 can be reproduced on the Wii by re-implementing them with the fixed function hardware of the Wii's GPU. Most games just port the effect over. A few teams have gone as far as making a shader-to-Wii conversion tool. It reads the shader code and generates the fixed function code necessary to achieve the same result. Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results." Enjoy. From the same article.mjarantilla

Except that the entire system only has 88MB of shared RAM. You may see some great effects in parts of games (ie: main character OR lighting) in the coming months and years...

but you won't be seeing entire games based on particle effects running in tandem with complex physics and realistic AI.

I profess my love for my Wii all the time, but it really is an underpowered toy compared to the other two current consoles. I am not ever expecting to see a game on Wii that Xbox couldn't have handled. At 720p in 5.1 Surround no less.

People either don't know or forget that Xbox could output in HD and "real" surround sound. Two things Wii will probably never do.

Wii was crippled at birth. Stop hoping for miracles. 

The Wii is more powerful than a GC, but less powerful than the 360, PS3, and PC. This is something we already knew.rykaziel

The Game cube could keep up with the x-box 1. what makes you think the wii cant.

RS2,3 Re4 star fox= anything on the x-box. 

[QUOTE="rykaziel"]The Wii is more powerful than a GC, but less powerful than the 360, PS3, and PC. This is something we already knew.jessmo30_basic

The Game cube could keep up with the x-box 1. what makes you think the wii cant.

RS2,3 Re4 star fox= anything on the x-box.

The Wii is a next generation system, it should surpass the Xbox, not "keep up."

[QUOTE="rykaziel"]The Wii is more powerful than a GC, but less powerful than the 360, PS3, and PC. This is something we already knew.jessmo30_basic

The Game cube could keep up with the x-box 1. what makes you think the wii cant.

RS2,3 Re4 star fox= anything on the x-box.

[QUOTE="jessmo30_basic"]

[QUOTE="rykaziel"]The Wii is more powerful than a GC, but less powerful than the 360, PS3, and PC. This is something we already knew.OpiateE

The Game cube could keep up with the x-box 1. what makes you think the wii cant.

RS2,3 Re4 star fox= anything on the x-box.

Nintendo limited the wii at 480 p  get a clue 

Devs can claim what they want, we all saw the Spiderman screenshots.apolloluke

Yeah, and the Xbox 1 version of Spiderman 2 looked better. 

[QUOTE="OpiateE"][QUOTE="jessmo30_basic"]

[QUOTE="rykaziel"]The Wii is more powerful than a GC, but less powerful than the 360, PS3, and PC. This is something we already knew.jessmo30_basic

The Game cube could keep up with the x-box 1. what makes you think the wii cant.

RS2,3 Re4 star fox= anything on the x-box.

Nintendo limited the wii at 480 p get a clue

Um, for your information, the Xbox 1 could do 720p AND 1080i. The Wii, however, has been opened up and examined, and the gaming community has analyzed the processor and everything in the Wi and found out that the Wii couldn't do the same graphics it is right now in 720p, thus resulting in near-unplayable games.

So no, Nintendo didn't "limit" it, it just can't do it. But, hey, what can you expect from a $13 graphics unit? 

[QUOTE="Ganon_919"]

Need I remind you how it looked pretty bad on all consoles...

Runningflame570

Need I remind you the first Spiderman game for PS2 looks the same or better? 

If devs use the Wii's power to its full extent, it is possible for the games to surpass even the best XBox games...

Ganon_919

[QUOTE="apolloluke"]Devs can claim what they want, we all saw the Spiderman screenshots.HyperMetaDragon

Yeah, and the Xbox 1 version of Spiderman 2 looked better.

the ds version looked better. 

"That assessment dovetailed with what we heard from our first source. "Almost all the shader effects on PC, Xbox 360 and PS3 can be reproduced on the Wii by re-implementing them with the fixed function hardware of the Wii's GPU. Most games just port the effect over. A few teams have gone as far as making a shader-to-Wii conversion tool. It reads the shader code and generates the fixed function code necessary to achieve the same result. Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results." Enjoy. From the same article.luigigreen

It isnt a shader complient GPU, hence its on the level of a GeForce 2, which is around DX7, pathetic. 

[QUOTE="jessmo30_basic"]

[QUOTE="rykaziel"]The Wii is more powerful than a GC, but less powerful than the 360, PS3, and PC. This is something we already knew.thirstychainsaw

 the wii wasn't built to be a super power house.. it'd be a problem if nintendo wanted it to graphically compete w/ 360, ps3. 

The Game cube could keep up with the x-box 1. what makes you think the wii cant.

RS2,3 Re4 star fox= anything on the x-box.

The Wii is a next generation system, it should surpass the Xbox, not "keep up."

aaah I remember last gen,  The sheep had their trump cards, Rouge Squadron, RE4, ect and they alwasy said how nice they look.  Never did one of them say graphics arnt importent, quite to the contrary they said how importen they were.  Now this gen comes along and suddenly graphics are pointless.

Well saying that everyone has turned into a hypocrite, Cows now have the biggest most expesnive console, and Lemming now have a console that breaks slightly kess then the PS2. 

[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"][QUOTE="jessmo30_basic"]

[QUOTE="rykaziel"]The Wii is more powerful than a GC, but less powerful than the 360, PS3, and PC. This is something we already knew.Virus214

the wii wasn't built to be a super power house.. it'd be a problem if nintendo wanted it to graphically compete w/ 360, ps3.

The Game cube could keep up with the x-box 1. what makes you think the wii cant.

RS2,3 Re4 star fox= anything on the x-box.

The Wii is a next generation system, it should surpass the Xbox, not "keep up."

The GC kept up with the Xbox... The wii is more powerfull then the GC... 

And btw the embeded 3mb's of memory in the GPU really helps the Wii pull some wicked effects with low processing power. The GC had 1mb of the same kind of memory and Factor 5 and Capcom put it too great use in the Rogue Squadren games, and RE4...  

[QUOTE="luigigreen"]"That assessment dovetailed with what we heard from our first source. "Almost all the shader effects on PC, Xbox 360 and PS3 can be reproduced on the Wii by re-implementing them with the fixed function hardware of the Wii's GPU. Most games just port the effect over. A few teams have gone as far as making a shader-to-Wii conversion tool. It reads the shader code and generates the fixed function code necessary to achieve the same result. Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results." Enjoy. From the same article.Oemenia

It isnt a shader complient GPU, hence its on the level of a GeForce 2, which is around DX7, pathetic. 

So much technical jargon for what purpose? The Wii is less powerful than the 360/PS3.. someone call CNN this is blockbuster news...

Wow.

The point of the article is that the Wii is more than capable.  Look at Gamecube and Xbox hardware statistics and the Gamecube was not far off at all to the original Xbox.  A fact most people miss just because "oooh Xbox" ..

Take these points.

1.)Every Wii game out thus far looks like crap with the majority being ports.
2.)Great looking games will come out.  Look at Mario Galaxy and tell yourself its not next-gen looking. 
3.)Devs are lazy, trying to pump out quick games for a quick buck.  Miyamoto himself commented on lazy third party developers very recently.
4.)No there's no Ferrari under the hood, but with some time and effort games will look significantly better than the original Xbox and Gamecube.  PERIOD. No ifs and or buts.

Commenting on a system that has barely any games and a recent launch and using that to judge its future is pure nonsense.

If I had done that with the 360 when it came out, I never would've bought it.  Because the launch lineup did not look much better than original Xbox.  It was a year later when those great looking titles came out.

Patience is a virtue. Deal with it.

But, hey, what can you expect from a $13 graphics unit?

I dunno?  Fun?  Better than pretty games that suck, if you ask me.  Also, better than a game system you have to take out a loan to buy.  Sony's main man missed the boat headed for a new  market.  He "stepped down" as a result.  As you can tell, I like what the Wii remote brings to gaming.  Call it gimmicky, but gamepads were frowned on when joysticks ruled the day.  Change is inevitable. 

But, hey, what can you expect from a $13 graphics unit?

I dunno?  Fun?  Better than pretty games that suck, if you ask me.weisguy119

And I'll take pretty games that suck over ugly games that suck, if you ask me. Because thats the vast majority of what Wii has currently..ugly games that suck.