Now I know alot of you will disagree with me here but it really is good for the industry. Not only is it broading the market but it is also allowing the smaller developers a platform to work on with out the costs that it would take to work on the PS3/360. Developers like Nibris, Crossbeam studio, OTEE, conspiracy entertaiment and others are all getting on the act to develop for the Wii.
I think your argument is valid but simultaneously I believe that the hardcore gamer is losing out. The industry will attract more people but some of the hardcore faithful will leave Nintendo, if they haven't already.
I think your argument is valid but simultaneously I believe that the hardcore gamer is losing out. The industry will attract more people but some of the hardcore faithful will leave Nintendo, if they haven't already. kayn83
I haven't and never will. Why can't people understand this simple logic More consoles sold= More devs jumping on board More devs: More games More games coming from revenue: Being able to create better games Why is this so hard to understand?
Not only is it broading the market but it is also allowing the smaller developers a platform to work on with out the costs that it would take to work on the PS3/360 books83
do you work for Nintendo, because that sounds like corperate speak
Now I know alot of you will disagree with me here but it really is good for the industry. Not only is it broading the market but it is also allowing the smaller developers a platform to work on with out the costs that it would take to work on the PS3/360. Developers like Nibris, Crossbeam studio, OTEE, conspiracy entertaiment and others are all getting on the act to develop for the Wii. books83
I think its good but as for small devs, I dont know how much the Wii will benefit them. Most people who buy Nintendo consoles will buy mainly its 1st party games then 3rd party games come last. It might be harder to make money off the Wii unless they just dev games that are similiar to whats popular on the Wii. That basically means alot of party and mini games. I dont know how beneficial that is for the industry. I think a hybrid of motion sensing and hardware like the PS3 might actually be the way to go, IMO.
[QUOTE="kayn83"]I think your argument is valid but simultaneously I believe that the hardcore gamer is losing out. The industry will attract more people but some of the hardcore faithful will leave Nintendo, if they haven't already. Sonick54
I haven't and never will. Why can't people understand this simple logic More consoles sold= More devs jumping on board More devs: More games More games coming from revenue: Being able to create better games Why is this so hard to understand? More consoles sold doesnt equal more devs jumping on board if people buy 3rd party games on the PS3 and 360 and use the Wii for its first party games. Thats great for Nintendo but not so good for 3rd party devs.
yes theres that but it also might make gaming about mini games and casual games, if a good developer series is not selling anymore (for example square equinox) becasuse the gamers are not interested in there games anymore than they are forced to make short easy casual games that grandmas and grandpa like to play. so the wii is in reality simplifing gaming, making it casual(no troll post or pwn). thats why i dont want wii to win or lose, second place to 360 or ps3 IMO
[QUOTE="Sonick54"][QUOTE="kayn83"]I think your argument is valid but simultaneously I believe that the hardcore gamer is losing out. The industry will attract more people but some of the hardcore faithful will leave Nintendo, if they haven't already. Javy03
I haven't and never will. Why can't people understand this simple logic More consoles sold= More devs jumping on board More devs: More games More games coming from revenue: Being able to create better games Why is this so hard to understand? More consoles sold doesnt equal more devs jumping on board if people buy 3rd party games on the PS3 and 360 and use the Wii for its first party games. Thats great for Nintendo but not so good for 3rd party devs.
if isnt a vaild agurment more console sold = means going to the console who has larger installment base
[QUOTE="books83"] Now I know alot of you will disagree with me here but it really is good for the industry. Not only is it broading the market but it is also allowing the smaller developers a platform to work on with out the costs that it would take to work on the PS3/360. Developers like Nibris, Crossbeam studio, OTEE, conspiracy entertaiment and others are all getting on the act to develop for the Wii. Javy03
I think its good but as for small devs, I dont know how much the Wii will benefit them. Most people who buy Nintendo consoles will buy mainly its 1st party games then 3rd party games come last. It might be harder to make money off the Wii unless they just dev games that are similiar to whats popular on the Wii. That basically means alot of party and mini games. I dont know how beneficial that is for the industry. I think a hybrid of motion sensing and hardware like the PS3 might actually be the way to go, IMO. Nope, small devs are jumping on Xbox 360. Just look at Xbox Live Arcade and the future of XNA.
[QUOTE="Sonick54"][QUOTE="kayn83"]I think your argument is valid but simultaneously I believe that the hardcore gamer is losing out. The industry will attract more people but some of the hardcore faithful will leave Nintendo, if they haven't already. Javy03
I haven't and never will. Why can't people understand this simple logic More consoles sold= More devs jumping on board More devs: More games More games coming from revenue: Being able to create better games Why is this so hard to understand?More consoles sold doesnt equal more devs jumping on board if people buy 3rd party games on the PS3 and 360 and use the Wii for its first party games. Thats great for Nintendo but not so good for 3rd party devs.
....What logic are you using here? So your saying people will develope games for a console that is not selling instead of one that is?
yes theres that but it also might make gaming about mini games and casual games, if a good developer series is not selling anymore (for example square equinox) becasuse the gamers are not interested in there games anymore than they are forced to make short easy casual games that grandmas and grandpa like to play. so the wii is in reality simplifing gaming, making it casual(no troll post or pwn). thats why i dont want wii to win or lose, second place to 360 or ps3 IMOGoldensun48
But casual games are already becoming increasingly popular. You can find hundreds if not thousands on the web to play. They are also starting to become popular on cell phones. And if you think about it they are also invading PSN and XBLA too.
[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="books83"] Now I know alot of you will disagree with me here but it really is good for the industry. Not only is it broading the market but it is also allowing the smaller developers a platform to work on with out the costs that it would take to work on the PS3/360. Developers like Nibris, Crossbeam studio, OTEE, conspiracy entertaiment and others are all getting on the act to develop for the Wii. Kayrod29
I think its good but as for small devs, I dont know how much the Wii will benefit them. Most people who buy Nintendo consoles will buy mainly its 1st party games then 3rd party games come last. It might be harder to make money off the Wii unless they just dev games that are similiar to whats popular on the Wii. That basically means alot of party and mini games. I dont know how beneficial that is for the industry. I think a hybrid of motion sensing and hardware like the PS3 might actually be the way to go, IMO. Nope, small devs are jumping on Xbox 360. Just look at Xbox Live Arcade and the future of XNA.
You have a valid point but Sony and Nintendo are also offering the same thing too.
I think your argument is valid but simultaneously I believe that the hardcore gamer is losing out. The industry will attract more people but some of the hardcore faithful will leave Nintendo, if they haven't already. kayn83
there will always be devs that will cater to the hardcore gamers regardless of system.
[QUOTE="Javy03"] More consoles sold doesnt equal more devs jumping on board if people buy 3rd party games on the PS3 and 360 and use the Wii for its first party games. Thats great for Nintendo but not so good for 3rd party devs. when hasn't the console with the most sales had the most 3rd party games?
[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="Sonick54"][QUOTE="kayn83"]I think your argument is valid but simultaneously I believe that the hardcore gamer is losing out. The industry will attract more people but some of the hardcore faithful will leave Nintendo, if they haven't already. wavebrid
I haven't and never will. Why can't people understand this simple logic More consoles sold= More devs jumping on board More devs: More games More games coming from revenue: Being able to create better games Why is this so hard to understand? More consoles sold doesnt equal more devs jumping on board if people buy 3rd party games on the PS3 and 360 and use the Wii for its first party games. Thats great for Nintendo but not so good for 3rd party devs.
if isnt a vaild agurment more console sold = means going to the console who has larger installment base
Not if they arent your target audience. If I sell muscles building pills to 2,000 people 80 years and up I will sell less then if I sold those pills to 500 people 16-40 years of age. The Wii is not a console for RPGs, GTAs, FPS, and many other 3rd party games because you cant port it directly from a PS3/360 to the Wii, thats why it shares ports with PS2. 3rd party companies wanna make multiplat games and its much easier to make those games PS3/360 then make it for all three, and they will still make tons of money. You also have to look at the audience the Wii is targeting. The Wii is the console for Party games and Mini games but many other genres are not gonna sell well on that system because devs have to work around their controller. Wii is gonna make tons of money off their 1st party games but 3rd party is still gonna be alot less then the PS3/360 due to having to work around the Wii controller.
[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="books83"] Now I know alot of you will disagree with me here but it really is good for the industry. Not only is it broading the market but it is also allowing the smaller developers a platform to work on with out the costs that it would take to work on the PS3/360. Developers like Nibris, Crossbeam studio, OTEE, conspiracy entertaiment and others are all getting on the act to develop for the Wii. Kayrod29
I think its good but as for small devs, I dont know how much the Wii will benefit them. Most people who buy Nintendo consoles will buy mainly its 1st party games then 3rd party games come last. It might be harder to make money off the Wii unless they just dev games that are similiar to whats popular on the Wii. That basically means alot of party and mini games. I dont know how beneficial that is for the industry. I think a hybrid of motion sensing and hardware like the PS3 might actually be the way to go, IMO. Nope, small devs are jumping on Xbox 360. Just look at Xbox Live Arcade and the future of XNA. PS3 will have something similiar as well as they work more on their online. ITs not something to difficult to add.
I think your argument is valid but simultaneously I believe that the hardcore gamer is losing out. The industry will attract more people but some of the hardcore faithful will leave Nintendo, if they haven't already. kayn83
highly unlikely. i dont know what your definition of hardcore gamer is, but a hardcore gamer plays almost and every sort of game, from Bejeweled to Halo, the genre of the game or content doesnt make you hardcore.
[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="Sonick54"][QUOTE="kayn83"]I think your argument is valid but simultaneously I believe that the hardcore gamer is losing out. The industry will attract more people but some of the hardcore faithful will leave Nintendo, if they haven't already. Sonick54
I haven't and never will. Why can't people understand this simple logic More consoles sold= More devs jumping on board More devs: More games More games coming from revenue: Being able to create better games Why is this so hard to understand?More consoles sold doesnt equal more devs jumping on board if people buy 3rd party games on the PS3 and 360 and use the Wii for its first party games. Thats great for Nintendo but not so good for 3rd party devs.
....What logic are you using here? So your saying people will develope games for a console that is not selling instead of one that is? Read the rest of my post and you will see what i mean. as well as a resonse I gave him.
[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Javy03"] More consoles sold doesnt equal more devs jumping on board if people buy 3rd party games on the PS3 and 360 and use the Wii for its first party games. Thats great for Nintendo but not so good for 3rd party devs. when hasn't the console with the most sales had the most 3rd party games? When has their been such a huge split in the console war as to who the consoles target audiences are?
[QUOTE="Goldensun48"]yes theres that but it also might make gaming about mini games and casual games, if a good developer series is not selling anymore (for example square equinox) becasuse the gamers are not interested in there games anymore than they are forced to make short easy casual games that grandmas and grandpa like to play. so the wii is in reality simplifing gaming, making it casual(no troll post or pwn). thats why i dont want wii to win or lose, second place to 360 or ps3 IMObooks83
But casual games are already becoming increasingly popular. You can find hundreds if not thousands on the web to play. They are also starting to become popular on cell phones. And if you think about it they are also invading PSN and XBLA too.
well yeah thats true there is alot but i dont want my games simplified:cry:
I think your argument is valid but simultaneously I believe that the hardcore gamer is losing out. The industry will attract more people but some of the hardcore faithful will leave Nintendo, if they haven't already. kayn83
Casual and Hardcore can coexist, just look at the DS
Yeah I think Wii is a fantastic machine that will help grow the games industry by bringing young and old gamers into play.
Nintendo have done really well so far because Wii seems to be catching up to 360 at an alarming rate and its ony been out for like 3 months. I think with PS3 and 360 developers are going to make graphics their main focus while on the Wii gameplay will be the focus.
dont give me the small dev stuff. xbl arcade is a bigger medium, has a surplus of dev tools for it (ty microsoft) and an easier playing field rather than going up against a legend of zelda or metroid prime
I think your argument is valid but simultaneously I believe that the hardcore gamer is losing out. The industry will attract more people but some of the hardcore faithful will leave Nintendo, if they haven't already. kayn83
I'm a hardcore gamer, and I'm certainly not losing out. Zelda at launch, and the Virtual Console? A hardcore gamer's dream.
I think your argument is valid but simultaneously I believe that the hardcore gamer is losing out. The industry will attract more people but some of the hardcore faithful will leave Nintendo, if they haven't already. kayn83
i can't see why they should leave nintendo,on the contrary i believe that more and more ppl will become nintendo fans(not fanboys)even i have become a nintendo fan,i never had sth from nintendo except from a gameboy colour,and yes i admitt it that i have never played zelda,or metroid,the last game of mario i play was Super Mario Bros,i had the DC the PS2, the Xbox,i even have the psp,but the wii is sth else....
[QUOTE="books83"] Now I know alot of you will disagree with me here but it really is good for the industry. Not only is it broading the market but it is also allowing the smaller developers a platform to work on with out the costs that it would take to work on the PS3/360. Developers like Nibris, Crossbeam studio, OTEE, conspiracy entertaiment and others are all getting on the act to develop for the Wii. Javy03
I think its good but as for small devs, I dont know how much the Wii will benefit them. Most people who buy Nintendo consoles will buy mainly its 1st party games then 3rd party games come last. It might be harder to make money off the Wii unless they just dev games that are similiar to whats popular on the Wii. That basically means alot of party and mini games. I dont know how beneficial that is for the industry. I think a hybrid of motion sensing and hardware like the PS3 might actually be the way to go, IMO. Reggie said that 2/3 of Wii software sales have gone to third party...
[QUOTE="kayn83"]I think your argument is valid but simultaneously I believe that the hardcore gamer is losing out. The industry will attract more people but some of the hardcore faithful will leave Nintendo, if they haven't already. HeedleGlavin
I'm a hardcore gamer, and I'm certainly not losing out. Zelda at launch, and the Virtual Console? A hardcore gamer's dream.
Why pay for games that u can download on hte net..emulator + rom?
I can see if they had some collector value to them...but they arent the cartridges..so whats the point?
Any console is good for the industry becouse of competition, also start up devs like the PC more becouse it is cheaper to develope for, you don't need a dev kit, or pay money to publishers, you make a game and sell it online, then when they got some profit they would make games for consoles.
[QUOTE="HeedleGlavin"][QUOTE="kayn83"]I think your argument is valid but simultaneously I believe that the hardcore gamer is losing out. The industry will attract more people but some of the hardcore faithful will leave Nintendo, if they haven't already. MrGrimFandango
I'm a hardcore gamer, and I'm certainly not losing out. Zelda at launch, and the Virtual Console? A hardcore gamer's dream.
Why pay for games that u can download on hte net..emulator + rom?
[QUOTE="kayn83"]I think your argument is valid but simultaneously I believe that the hardcore gamer is losing out. The industry will attract more people but some of the hardcore faithful will leave Nintendo, if they haven't already. Sonick54
I haven't and never will. Why can't people understand this simple logic More consoles sold= More devs jumping on board More devs: More games More games coming from revenue: Being able to create better games Why is this so hard to understand? PG-13 Horror, means more people can watch it and gurantees more money. It also means more people can appricate the high quailty of Pg-13 Horror out there. This also means that more people will make, these high quailty Pg-13 Horror films. No why is that hard to understand.
I think the Wii's strategy is to divide casuals and hardcore gamers. So far, Xbox 360 and PS3 is considered hardcore gaming due to the costs, games, and graphics-oriented. Wii is for gamers who wanted just easy access, easy to learn, for fun, non-graphic-oriented kind of games, which is aht casuals is all about.
I think the Wii's strategy is to divide casuals and hardcore gamers. So far, Xbox 360 and PS3 is considered hardcore gaming due to the costs, games, and graphics-oriented. Wii is for gamers who wanted just easy access, easy to learn, for fun, non-graphic-oriented kind of games, which is aht casuals is all about.Zaistev_basic
So, a new Hardcore Definition: Hardcore = graphics whore.
[QUOTE="Zaistev_basic"]I think the Wii's strategy is to divide casuals and hardcore gamers. So far, Xbox 360 and PS3 is considered hardcore gaming due to the costs, games, and graphics-oriented. Wii is for gamers who wanted just easy access, easy to learn, for fun, non-graphic-oriented kind of games, which is aht casuals is all about.loco145
So, a new Hardcore Definition: Hardcore = graphics whore. Didn't you know? Movie watchers are the new hardcore video game player.
[QUOTE="HeedleGlavin"][QUOTE="kayn83"]I think your argument is valid but simultaneously I believe that the hardcore gamer is losing out. The industry will attract more people but some of the hardcore faithful will leave Nintendo, if they haven't already. MrGrimFandango
I'm a hardcore gamer, and I'm certainly not losing out. Zelda at launch, and the Virtual Console? A hardcore gamer's dream.
Why pay for games that u can download on hte net..emulator + rom?
I can see if they had some collector value to them...but they arent the cartridges..so whats the point?
Why buy anything when you can just steal it instead? :roll:
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