Wii is the best thing that could have happened to the gaming industry

Game publishers everywhere have been having a tough go at next gen gaming. With game budgets hitting the 10's of millions of dollars it's getting more and more difficult to make a profit. The publishers are almost all having difficulties. I don't have numbers here but a good number of publishers lost significant money this past year due to the extreeme cost to produce PS3 and 360 games (feel free to look up the numbers if you don't belive me)

The Wii is litterally going to save gaming as we know it. Without the Wii it's almost inevitable that publishers would have to cut back their projects and many would not make it thru this gen. Not only does the Wii allow developers to make profitable games for 1-5m it also decreases the time it takes to produce those games. On top of that the Wii is broadening the audience that are playing games which again is great for the industry.

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Some of you claim that the Wii is bad for gaming because it's making gaming more casual and taking away from the number of HD games produced. Although some of that may be true your failing to grasp the fact that the Wii is bringing more people into gaming therefore increasing the overall amount of money getting drawn into the industry. In addition you seem to forget the fact that the Wii is really going to save some struggling Publishers and developers and as we know without them there simply wouldn't be gaming.

Save gaming from what? It was growing exponentially before the release of the Wii anyway, in no way was there ever a drop in popularity.

Either way, the route Nintendo is going is very disappointing for the typical nintendo fan (not a 'fanboy'), I've owned every Nintendo system except the Wii, and see no reason why I would ever want to play Wii Sports and minigames over what other companies provide.

I hope you brought your flame shield with you.OldSkoolGamer04

I'll take it all in stride. The simple fact is that it is good for the industry although very few people are going to admit it.

Save gaming from what? It was growing exponentially before the release of the Wii anyway, in no way was there ever a drop in popularity.

Either way, the route Nintendo is going is very disappointing for the typical nintendo fan (not a 'fanboy'), I've owned every Nintendo system except the Wii, and see no reason why I would ever want to play Wii Sports and minigames over what other companies provide.

Peter_Darkstar

It was growing exponentially before the release of $400 and $600 consoles. Yes, there WAS a drop in popularity. Compare 360 and PS3 sales COMBINED to Xbox/GCN sales. The Xbox 360 is barely keeping up with the Xbox, and the PS3 until this month dipped even below GCN sales levels.

The market would have SHRANK to 1/3 what it normally would be were it not for the Wii making up for the difference.

Save gaming from what? It was growing exponentially before the release of the Wii anyway, in no way was there ever a drop in popularity.

Either way, the route Nintendo is going is very disappointing for the typical nintendo fan (not a 'fanboy'), I've owned every Nintendo system except the Wii, and see no reason why I would ever want to play Wii Sports and minigames over what other companies provide.

Peter_Darkstar

That's great if the industry is growing but it's not growing fast enough to keep up with the astronoical production costs. Games went from costing 1-5 million to 10-15m in a matter of a few years.

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Save gaming from what? It was growing exponentially before the release of the Wii anyway, in no way was there ever a drop in popularity.

Either way, the route Nintendo is going is very disappointing for the typical nintendo fan (not a 'fanboy'), I've owned every Nintendo system except the Wii, and see no reason why I would ever want to play Wii Sports and minigames over what other companies provide.

Firelore29

That's great if the industry is growing but it's not growing fast enough to keep up with the astronoical production costs. Games went from costing 1-5 million to 10-15m in a matter of a few years.

Actually, more like going from $7 million to $30 million. The average cost of this generation is, I think, about $25 million.

What? :?DisPimpin

You all are thinking about this from a game standpoint. You need to look at the big picture here. The Wii and Nintendo are expanding the industry which brings more money in. Not everyone likes Mini-games and sales of those games will taper off significantly once people get sick of them. Eventually we will be left with a bunch more gamers in the industry and they will playing the games that we like.

We were ALL CASUALS at some point. If those new gamers continue to play they will eventually turn to more hardcore games just like the rest of us.

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]What? :?Firelore29

You all are thinking about this from a game standpoint. You need to look at the big picture here. The Wii and Nintendo are expanding the industry which brings more money in. Not everyone likes Mini-games and sales of those games will taper off significantly once people get sick of them. Eventually we will be left with a bunch more gamers in the industry and they will playing the games that we like.

We were ALL CASUALS at some point. If those new gamers continue to play they will eventually turn to more hardcore games just like the rest of us.

sence when staying the same graphics for two gens the best thing that has happen. please when i go to next gen i don't want a new controler only. now if they stayed with the graphics like ps 3 and 360 with the new controler that would be differant.GARRYTH

Read the post then type a response.

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Save gaming from what? It was growing exponentially before the release of the Wii anyway, in no way was there ever a drop in popularity.

Either way, the route Nintendo is going is very disappointing for the typical nintendo fan (not a 'fanboy'), I've owned every Nintendo system except the Wii, and see no reason why I would ever want to play Wii Sports and minigames over what other companies provide.

mjarantilla

That's great if the industry is growing but it's not growing fast enough to keep up with the astronoical production costs. Games went from costing 1-5 million to 10-15m in a matter of a few years.

Actually, more like going from $7 million to $30 million. The average cost of this generation is, I think, about $25 million.

Save gaming from what? It was growing exponentially before the release of the Wii anyway, in no way was there ever a drop in popularity.

Either way, the route Nintendo is going is very disappointing for the typical nintendo fan (not a 'fanboy'), I've owned every Nintendo system except the Wii, and see no reason why I would ever want to play Wii Sports and minigames over what other companies provide.

Peter_Darkstar

Ok, lets put it this way.

Ubisoft is making Assassin's Creed right? Well Rayman Raving Rabbids for the Wii is paying its bill. Without RRR you wouldn't have such a good AC... Does that make sense.
Goten_king

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Firelore29"][QUOTE="Peter_Darkstar"]

Save gaming from what? It was growing exponentially before the release of the Wii anyway, in no way was there ever a drop in popularity.

Either way, the route Nintendo is going is very disappointing for the typical nintendo fan (not a 'fanboy'), I've owned every Nintendo system except the Wii, and see no reason why I would ever want to play Wii Sports and minigames over what other companies provide.

DisPimpin

That's great if the industry is growing but it's not growing fast enough to keep up with the astronoical production costs. Games went from costing 1-5 million to 10-15m in a matter of a few years.

Actually, more like going from $7 million to $30 million. The average cost of this generation is, I think, about $25 million.

It's not speculation. Watch the first GameTrailers Bonus Round episode. That Naughty Dog guy says he sat in a meeting to plan a $40 million game, and Michael Pachter said that the average will hover around $20-30 million.

Well we all know where this is going... TC, I will help while I can.

You people don't seem to understand the cost to make a 360/PS3 game. If a $60 game sells 1 million copies, that's $60,000,000. What if this game took $40 million to make? That would make the profit $20 million. So what about a sequel? Well the original took $40 million, but now the developers only have $20 million... well looks like its going to be a crappy game compared to the first one. Or they could try to make a new IP.

Now let's take a similar scenario for the Wii. The developer gets $10 million. The game sells 1 million copies at the price of $50. That's $50 million. Now the game cost $10 million to make so the profit is $40 million. Now for a sequel. The dev team now has 4 times the amount of money to make a higher quality game. They could improve on every aspect, or try o make a new IP and a sequel.

Economically, it absolutely it. It creates a more accessible system for both consumers and designers, resulting in a larger install base and games that can be made faster and cheaper than for other consoles. It's just a shame 3rd parties caught on so late. If it had recieved support from the start like the 360 had, the machine would be jaw-dropping awesome.

someone said rayman was paying AC's bill.

so ubisoft has only made rayman in the past year or so?

You have just become my hero. Best reply I have ever read here.

I hope you brought your flame shield with you.OldSkoolGamer04

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[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]What? :?DisPimpin

You all are thinking about this from a game standpoint. You need to look at the big picture here. The Wii and Nintendo are expanding the industry which brings more money in. Not everyone likes Mini-games and sales of those games will taper off significantly once people get sick of them. Eventually we will be left with a bunch more gamers in the industry and they will playing the games that we like.

We were ALL CASUALS at some point. If those new gamers continue to play they will eventually turn to more hardcore games just like the rest of us.

I don't know how long you have been gaming but the simple fact is that gaming is a development process. Whensomeone first play a video game for the very first time ...they suck. My wife is (was)terrible at games. The reason why she does (did) not play previously was because I was much better then her and I would destroy her in everything. It was no fun for her to play. Wii Sports and Mario Party are great games because they level the playing field for all gamers. The non-gamers and casuals are develping skills though thru those games and they develop interest in playing other games. My wife enjoys several games now including Godfather.

Well we all know where this is going... TC, I will help while I can.

You people don't seem to understand the cost to make a 360/PS3 game. If a $60 game sells 1 million copies, that's $60,000,000. What if this game took $40 million to make? That would make the profit $20 million. So what about a sequel? Well the original took $40 million, but now the developers only have $20 million... well looks like its going to be a crappy game compared to the first one. Or they could try to make a new IP.

Now let's take a similar scenario for the Wii. The developer gets $10 million. The game sells 1 million copies at the price of $50. That's $50 million. Now the game cost $10 million to make so the profit is $40 million. Now for a sequel. The dev team now has 4 times the amount of money to make a higher quality game. They could improve on every aspect, or try o make a new IP and a sequel.

nintendofreak_2

That doesn't make any sense, at all.

If developers spent 40 million to make a game, and earned 60 million total from that game which is 20 million profit, why would they only have 20 million to make a sequal? They would actually have 20 million MORE than they had to spend on the first game. Meaning 60 million.

I understand your point, completely.

But don't be surprised when the wii is flooded with shovelware like the ps2 was.


And another thing, I'm sick of you sheep acting like the gaming market would have never start increasing WITHOUT THE WII.


If you really care so much about expanding the gaming market, you will come to Foster City California to Sony's office, get on your knees, and thank them ,because they have sold over 240MILLION consoles.


Talk to me about the market when the Wii hits over 23million sold.(what GC Sold)springz300

I would put a simple owned here but that was the best reply ever

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Well we all know where this is going... TC, I will help while I can.

You people don't seem to understand the cost to make a 360/PS3 game. If a $60 game sells 1 million copies, that's $60,000,000. What if this game took $40 million to make? That would make the profit $20 million. So what about a sequel? Well the original took $40 million, but now the developers only have $20 million... well looks like its going to be a crappy game compared to the first one. Or they could try to make a new IP.

Now let's take a similar scenario for the Wii. The developer gets $10 million. The game sells 1 million copies at the price of $50. That's $50 million. Now the game cost $10 million to make so the profit is $40 million. Now for a sequel. The dev team now has 4 times the amount of money to make a higher quality game. They could improve on every aspect, or try o make a new IP and a sequel.

TripleXAlexXx

That doesn't make any sense, at all.

If developers spent 40 million to make a game, and earned 60 million total from that game which is 20 million profit, why would they only have 20 million to make a sequal? They would actually have 20 million MORE than they had to spend on the first game. Meaning 60 million.

Although your right the problem is if the game is a flop which happens all the time. If the game only sells 100 thousand copies they are only going to make back 6 million of the 40m they spent. The problem isn't with the good games it's with the mediocure and bad ones. The fact of the matter is that there was what 160 360 games produced last year and how many of those are actually worth playing....15?

[QUOTE="TripleXAlexXx"][QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"]

Well we all know where this is going... TC, I will help while I can.

You people don't seem to understand the cost to make a 360/PS3 game. If a $60 game sells 1 million copies, that's $60,000,000. What if this game took $40 million to make? That would make the profit $20 million. So what about a sequel? Well the original took $40 million, but now the developers only have $20 million... well looks like its going to be a crappy game compared to the first one. Or they could try to make a new IP.

Now let's take a similar scenario for the Wii. The developer gets $10 million. The game sells 1 million copies at the price of $50. That's $50 million. Now the game cost $10 million to make so the profit is $40 million. Now for a sequel. The dev team now has 4 times the amount of money to make a higher quality game. They could improve on every aspect, or try o make a new IP and a sequel.

Firelore29

That doesn't make any sense, at all.

If developers spent 40 million to make a game, and earned 60 million total from that game which is 20 million profit, why would they only have 20 million to make a sequal? They would actually have 20 million MORE than they had to spend on the first game. Meaning 60 million.

Although your right the problem is if the game is a flop which happens all the time. If the game only sells 100 thousand copies they are only going to make back 6 million of the 40m they spent. The problem isn't with the good games it's with the mediocure and bad ones. The fact of the matter is that there was what 160 360 games produced last year and how many of those are actually worth playing....15?

It's easy for me to take notice to the ever-growing cost of development, especially for next-gen performanced-based platforms. Although I feel I enjoy the performanced-based platforms more (at this point), I am concerned about the future of videogames. Are you going to have to be rich to play videogames in the future? $400 and $600 is a lot of money and I don't see it stopping there,and not everyone is well off. My more important concern is because of the extreme expenses developing performance based games, companies aren't going to want to gamble on a new idea (no matter how good it may sound) that could very well get ignored and make them completely broke. They going to want to go for a sure thing. Something that's been proven to get recognized and make them a lot of money. The problem will be innovation going out the window. Games like indigo prophecy (last gen) would never come into existance, I beleive, and I fear that.

So, I can see your point about the benefits of the Wii.... However, only time will tell if the Wii can exploit those benefits in every way possible.

[QUOTE="DisPimpin"]What? :?Firelore29

You all are thinking about this from a game standpoint. You need to look at the big picture here. The Wii and Nintendo are expanding the industry which brings more money in. Not everyone likes Mini-games and sales of those games will taper off significantly once people get sick of them. Eventually we will be left with a bunch more gamers in the industry and they will playing the games that we like.

We were ALL CASUALS at some point. If those new gamers continue to play they will eventually turn to more hardcore games just like the rest of us.

Explain how we were all casuals.

heres how i see it (bit of a rant).

this industry has to get bigger....it needs more players. that cant really be denied imho. roughly 150 million (not counting PC gamers since that figure cant be properly determined...and there would also be overlap) users is just not enough. sooner or later it needs to get numbers similar to the movie industry (in terms of numbers of people seeing movies....not money the industry makes). if it doesent then the alternative is far worse. prices will just rise every gen to support the higher dev costs and more complex machines. if that happens then fewer people will play games and it doesent get pretty after 10 years. the games industry needs to start competing for peoples time against TV networks, movies and other hobbys. Nintendo has made a good point....every time someone chooses playing a game over TV or movies...games industry wins. the ultimate goal of this industry should be to make every other form of entertainment redundant (not going to happen but no harm in aiming high).

wii is a proper alternative to the other machines. its not a powerhouse thats very expensive. its a small and reasonably priced machine that has games suitable for a quick 5 min play. im not saying that all its games are like that but it does have games like that. thats all alot of people want....not big epic sagas with steep learning curves.

most people dont care if it uses unified shaders or the cell. most dont care how many polys it can put on the screen. all they care about is that it works and they have fun. the games we have today are great but, lets face it, they only interest a very small number of the world population. most women arent catered too at all (and if they are its usually a bad game developed by guys who are trying to guess at the type of game a girl or woman would want). the edlerly dont exist as far as this industry is concerned. and yet many other industries do very well with those demographics (movie and telly).

is this going to threaten the games we know and love? of course not. theres always going to be a very big market for these. games like halo are going to rake in the cash. the idea that every publisher and developer is just going to make a quick and dirty port or cheap, jno effort, minigame collection is just not going to happen imho. if they all did that then that market would be saturated and the chances for profit would be slim. instead these games (and not all of them will be crap...nto by a long shot) are going to compliment the games we already have. we may even see new and interesting things come...who knows.

it does remain to be seen how nintendo deals with its existing fans though. with the chriatmas line up i dont think anyone can really complain but after that it gets a little fuzzy. there not going to just abandon it but at the same time they may not give it enough attention in the long run. we will have to see.

Lets see how that sounds when pitted against other forms of popular media.

"Davinci Code is the best thing to happen to books."

"Transformers is the best thing to happen to movies."

"Britney Spears is the best thing to happen to music."

Nope. Sounds just as dumb as the others. No thanks.

I understand your point, completely.

But don't be surprised when the wii is flooded with shovelware like the ps2 was.


And another thing, I'm sick of you sheep acting like the gaming market would have never start increasing WITHOUT THE WII.


If you really care so much about expanding the gaming market, you will come to Foster City California to Sony's office, get on your knees, and thank them ,because they have sold over 240MILLION consoles.


Talk to me about the market when the Wii hits over 23million sold.(what GC Sold)springz300

Sony expanded the market long before Nintendo ever did. But sheep always think Nintendo invents everything first.

Sony did it with good games. Nintendo did it with gimmicks.

[QUOTE="springz300"]I understand your point, completely.

But don't be surprised when the wii is flooded with shovelware like the ps2 was.


And another thing, I'm sick of you sheep acting like the gaming market would have never start increasing WITHOUT THE WII.


If you really care so much about expanding the gaming market, you will come to Foster City California to Sony's office, get on your knees, and thank them ,because they have sold over 240MILLION consoles.


Talk to me about the market when the Wii hits over 23million sold.(what GC Sold)Bread_or_Decide

Sony expanded the market long before Nintendo ever did. But sheep always think Nintendo invents everything first.

Sony did it with good games. Nintendo did it with gimmicks.

K. I fail to see the point in bringing up who did it first. The fact of the matter is the Wii is now expanding the market and aiding the industry in ways the 360 and PS3 aren't.

no......just no.6matt6

what an engaging response!!!

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[QUOTE="springz300"]I understand your point, completely.

But don't be surprised when the wii is flooded with shovelware like the ps2 was.


And another thing, I'm sick of you sheep acting like the gaming market would have never start increasing WITHOUT THE WII.


If you really care so much about expanding the gaming market, you will come to Foster City California to Sony's office, get on your knees, and thank them ,because they have sold over 240MILLION consoles.


Talk to me about the market when the Wii hits over 23million sold.(what GC Sold)kiruyama

Sony expanded the market long before Nintendo ever did. But sheep always think Nintendo invents everything first.

Sony did it with good games. Nintendo did it with gimmicks.

K. I fail to see the point in bringing up who did it first. The fact of the matter is the Wii is now expanding the market and aiding the industry in ways the 360 and PS3 aren't.

The point is that the PS2 already expanded the market. 120 MILLION consoles sold is not all hardcore gamers.

Wii is reeling in moms and grandma's. How is that impressive? I'd love to see how many of them buy No More Heroes. Probably none. Way to expand the market Nintendo.

[QUOTE="kiruyama"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="springz300"]I understand your point, completely.

But don't be surprised when the wii is flooded with shovelware like the ps2 was.


And another thing, I'm sick of you sheep acting like the gaming market would have never start increasing WITHOUT THE WII.


If you really care so much about expanding the gaming market, you will come to Foster City California to Sony's office, get on your knees, and thank them ,because they have sold over 240MILLION consoles.


Talk to me about the market when the Wii hits over 23million sold.(what GC Sold)Bread_or_Decide

Sony expanded the market long before Nintendo ever did. But sheep always think Nintendo invents everything first.

Sony did it with good games. Nintendo did it with gimmicks.

K. I fail to see the point in bringing up who did it first. The fact of the matter is the Wii is now expanding the market and aiding the industry in ways the 360 and PS3 aren't.

The point is that the PS2 already expanded the market. 120 MILLION consoles sold is not all hardcore gamers.

Wii is reeling in moms and grandma's. How is that impressive? I'd love to see how many of them buy No More Heroes. Probably none. Way to expand the market Nintendo.

[QUOTE="kiruyama"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="springz300"]I understand your point, completely.

But don't be surprised when the wii is flooded with shovelware like the ps2 was.


And another thing, I'm sick of you sheep acting like the gaming market would have never start increasing WITHOUT THE WII.


If you really care so much about expanding the gaming market, you will come to Foster City California to Sony's office, get on your knees, and thank them ,because they have sold over 240MILLION consoles.


Talk to me about the market when the Wii hits over 23million sold.(what GC Sold)Bread_or_Decide

Sony expanded the market long before Nintendo ever did. But sheep always think Nintendo invents everything first.

Sony did it with good games. Nintendo did it with gimmicks.

K. I fail to see the point in bringing up who did it first. The fact of the matter is the Wii is now expanding the market and aiding the industry in ways the 360 and PS3 aren't.

The point is that the PS2 already expanded the market. 120 MILLION consoles sold is not all hardcore gamers.

Wii is reeling in moms and grandma's. How is that impressive? I'd love to see how many of them buy No More Heroes. Probably none. Way to expand the market Nintendo.

The fact still stands it is expanding the market. The fact still stands it is helping the industry. Whether it is "impressive" or not is subjective. Your comment about grandmas and moms holds nothing. No More Heroes would sell the same whether or not these new audiences were brought in or not because the hardcore crowd is still there. With the new audience, though, it has more people to reel in and obtain potential sales.

yess exactly. Sheep act like nintendo is the savior of gaming. Without Sony, gaming would NOT be as far as it is right now. Nintendo and Sega Did NOT i repeat did NOT expand gaming the way sony swept the world with the playstation brand.

im sick and tired of sheep praising nintendo. its obvious over 13 years , that the world prefers sony. 200million sold (ps1,ps2)>>>70million sold(n64 GC)

So I'm a sheep? How amusing. Your post still holds nothing. Who did it first matters not. Who did it more matters not. Nintendo is doing it now, Sony and Microsoft aren't - or they are to such a small degree it is irrelevant.

Sony expanded the market long before Nintendo ever did.Bread_or_Decide

Sony expanded the market long before Nintendo did? You mean, before the NES, the system that came out 10 years before the first Sony system? And the same market that underwent rapid expansion thanks to the NES, including the rebirth of the American market that would be dead were it not for the NES?

It's valid to say Sony expanded the market with the PlayStation 1 & 2, but to say they expanded the market long before Nintendo is ignorance.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="kiruyama"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="springz300"]I understand your point, completely.

But don't be surprised when the wii is flooded with shovelware like the ps2 was.


And another thing, I'm sick of you sheep acting like the gaming market would have never start increasing WITHOUT THE WII.


If you really care so much about expanding the gaming market, you will come to Foster City California to Sony's office, get on your knees, and thank them ,because they have sold over 240MILLION consoles.


Talk to me about the market when the Wii hits over 23million sold.(what GC Sold)springz300

Sony expanded the market long before Nintendo ever did. But sheep always think Nintendo invents everything first.

Sony did it with good games. Nintendo did it with gimmicks.

K. I fail to see the point in bringing up who did it first. The fact of the matter is the Wii is now expanding the market and aiding the industry in ways the 360 and PS3 aren't.

The point is that the PS2 already expanded the market. 120 MILLION consoles sold is not all hardcore gamers.

Wii is reeling in moms and grandma's. How is that impressive? I'd love to see how many of them buy No More Heroes. Probably none. Way to expand the market Nintendo.

Sonys first console sold more systems then any of the Nintendo's in their hay day. In fact every gen shows a decline in sales for Nintendo with the N64 selling 60 and then the cube selling 23. Playstation 2matched sales and even outsold the first playstation. But Nintendo expanded the market? Are we living in crazy town here? My mom bought a gameboy for Tetris, to this day thats all she ever plays on that thing. My wife plays her DS but plays Mario 64 DS just for the minigames (That I unlock for her by playing the actual game.)

They will never play games like God of War or Halo. Honestly who cares about them? I certainly don't.