Wii Selling So Much Pretty Much Ruins The System....

Think about it...

Because the Wii has sold/is selling so many systems...why even try to make good games??

Ever since launch developers "have been lazy," and thats the reason why there are barely any good games, and the graphics are so terrible (you cant deny the graphics are awful...75% of the games for the thing can be done on a psp....)

Either the developers are lazy....or the system just isnt any good.....I like to think that the developers are just lazy, but.......thats just as bad

With so many Wii's sold, as a developer, why even bother putting so much time into a game?? They can just quickly make a terrible game, throw some controls on it, and then ship it......and TOOONS of people will buy it...so, PROFIT $$$

There really isnt any incentive to make any good games...they can do pretty much whatever they want and still sell tons, and from the looks of the games Wii currently has, thats what it seems like Devs have been doing ever since the start...

There seems to be only 2 or 3 games worth buying.....

Hopefully Im wrong...

Why even try what?comstrikeiscool

Although what he's trying to say is kind of hard to understand with the way he worded it, I think I get it.

Basically, 3rd party developers are looking at the Wii, and seeing a great game like mp3 do pretty poorly in sales for the userbase (compared to expectations imo). Then they look at stuff like carnival games, that sells well on the Wii. The time to develop a great game like mp3 compared to some stupid mini-games is drastic, and there is no real reward for making a better game.

That is what scares me about the Wii.

[QUOTE="comstrikeiscool"]Why even try what?trup522

Although what he's trying to say is kind of hard to understand with the way he worded it, I think I get it.

Basically, 3rd party developers are looking at the Wii, and seeing a great game like mp3 do pretty poorly in sales for the userbase (compared to expectations imo). Then they look at stuff like carnival games, that sells well on the Wii. The time to develop a great game like mp3 compared to some stupid mini-games is drastic, and there is no real reward for making a better game.

That is what scares me about the Wii.

Yeah thats it....i was typing without really thinking....

[QUOTE="comstrikeiscool"]Why even try what?trup522

Although what he's trying to say is kind of hard to understand with the way he worded it, I think I get it.

Basically, 3rd party developers are looking at the Wii, and seeing a great game like mp3 do pretty poorly in sales for the userbase (compared to expectations imo). Then they look at stuff like carnival games, that sells well on the Wii. The time to develop a great game like mp3 compared to some stupid mini-games is drastic, and there is no real reward for making a better game.

That is what scares me about the Wii.

games like cooking mama don't sell well on the wii. The only game like that to sell well was wii play, but that came with a free wiimote

Think about it...

Because the Wii has sold/is selling so many systems...why even try to make good games??

Ever since launch developers "have been lazy," and thats the reason why there are barely any good games, and the graphics are so terrible (you cant deny the graphics are awful...75% of the games for the thing can be done on a psp....)

Either the developers are lazy....or the system just isnt any good.....I like to think that the developers are just lazy, but.......thats just as bad

With so many Wii's sold, as a developer, why even bother putting so much time into a game?? They can just quickly make a terrible game, throw some controls on it, and then ship it......and TOOONS of people will buy it...so, PROFIT $$$

There really isnt any incentive to make any good games...they can do pretty much whatever they want and still sell tons, and from the looks of the games Wii currently has, thats what it seems like Devs have been doing ever since the start...

There seems to be only 2 or 3 games worth buying.....

Hopefully Im wrong...

Rudi-Johnson

The PS2 didn't have a killer app or a million seller until 15 months after its Japanese launch, and 9 months after its US launch. You fail.

well what I mean is look at games like NBA Live....the entire game was pathetic...shouldnt have ever come out...

But because so many people own Wii's, EA knows its gonna sell anyway....so why should they bother wasting time and money on making it good??

So Wii could end up a garbage system thats used primarily for developers to make money....so they can put those profits into other games for other systems...

^^^^

well what I mean is look at games like NBA Live....the entire game was pathetic...shouldnt have ever come out...

But because so many people own Wii's, EA knows its gonna sell anyway....so why should they bother wasting time and money on making it good??

So Wii could end up a garbage system thats used primarily for developers to make money....so they can put those pofits into other games for other systems...

Rudi-Johnson

[QUOTE="comstrikeiscool"]Why even try what?trup522

Although what he's trying to say is kind of hard to understand with the way he worded it, I think I get it.

Basically, 3rd party developers are looking at the Wii, and seeing a great game like mp3 do pretty poorly in sales for the userbase (compared to expectations imo). Then they look at stuff like carnival games, that sells well on the Wii. The time to develop a great game like mp3 compared to some stupid mini-games is drastic, and there is no real reward for making a better game.

That is what scares me about the Wii.

well what I mean is look at games like NBA Live....the entire game was pathetic...shouldnt have ever come out...

But because so many people own Wii's, EA knows its gonna sell anyway....so why should they bother wasting time and money on making it good??

So Wii could end up a garbage system thats used primarily for developers to make money....so they can put those profits into other games for other systems...

Rudi-Johnson

Except it probably won't sell well, Madden 2008 definitely didn't. More likely EA knows that it isn't gonna sell well and so didn't bother putting any money into development.

well what I mean is look at games like NBA Live....the entire game was pathetic...shouldnt have ever come out...

But because so many people own Wii's, EA knows its gonna sell anyway....so why should they bother wasting time and money on making it good??

So Wii could end up a garbage system thats used primarily for developers to make money....so they can put those profits into other games for other systems...

Rudi-Johnson

What "crappy games" for the Wii can you name that sold well, besides Red Steel?

Exactly.

The only garbage game that has sold good is Mario Party 8.

Wii Sports comes with most Wiis, and Wii Play comes with the controller so those don't count.

But, what's next on the list are games like Twilight Princess and Super Paper Mario.

Metroid games have never sold good. Metroid Prime, the best game of last gen according to gamerankings, sold less than 2 million.

Think about it...

Because the Wii has sold/is selling so many systems...why even try to make good games??

Ever since launch developers "have been lazy," and thats the reason why there are barely any good games, and the graphics are so terrible (you cant deny the graphics are awful...75% of the games for the thing can be done on a psp....)

Either the developers are lazy....or the system just isnt any good.....I like to think that the developers are just lazy, but.......thats just as bad

With so many Wii's sold, as a developer, why even bother putting so much time into a game?? They can just quickly make a terrible game, throw some controls on it, and then ship it......and TOOONS of people will buy it...so, PROFIT $$$

There really isnt any incentive to make any good games...they can do pretty much whatever they want and still sell tons, and from the looks of the games Wii currently has, thats what it seems like Devs have been doing ever since the start...

There seems to be only 2 or 3 games worth buying.....

Hopefully Im wrong...

Rudi-Johnson

one of the reasons why i sold mine

[QUOTE="comstrikeiscool"]Why even try what?trup522

Although what he's trying to say is kind of hard to understand with the way he worded it, I think I get it.

Basically, 3rd party developers are looking at the Wii, and seeing a great game like mp3 do pretty poorly in sales for the userbase (compared to expectations imo). Then they look at stuff like carnival games, that sells well on the Wii. The time to develop a great game like mp3 compared to some stupid mini-games is drastic, and there is no real reward for making a better game.

That is what scares me about the Wii.

[QUOTE="Rudi-Johnson"]

well what I mean is look at games like NBA Live....the entire game was pathetic...shouldnt have ever come out...

But because so many people own Wii's, EA knows its gonna sell anyway....so why should they bother wasting time and money on making it good??

So Wii could end up a garbage system thats used primarily for developers to make money....so they can put those profits into other games for other systems...

mjarantilla

What "crappy games" for the Wii can you name that sold well, besides Red Steel?

Exactly.

is that a joke???

Anyways....the awful games are still selling enough so that they make profits.....and if they went and made those really bad games better they probably would only make like a million more...so for a big company its really not worth it.....

All im saying is...there really isnt much incentive to make really good games, when the profit that they would make from them isnt gonna be that much different

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Rudi-Johnson"]

well what I mean is look at games like NBA Live....the entire game was pathetic...shouldnt have ever come out...

But because so many people own Wii's, EA knows its gonna sell anyway....so why should they bother wasting time and money on making it good??

So Wii could end up a garbage system thats used primarily for developers to make money....so they can put those profits into other games for other systems...

Rudi-Johnson

What "crappy games" for the Wii can you name that sold well, besides Red Steel?

Exactly.

is that a joke???

Anyways....the awful games are still selling enough so that they make profits.....and if they went and made those really bad games better they probably would only make like a million more...so for a big company its really not worth it.....

All im saying is...there really isnt much incentive to make really good games, when the profit that they would make from them isnt gonna be that much different

No, I'm not joking. I'm challenging you to backup your argument with actual numbers.

Awful games also profit greatly on the 360 and PS3, too. And on the Xbox and PS2. And GameCube. And N64. And PS1. And Saturn. And....get my meaning? You have to show that awful games sell MORE on the Wii than they ever have on any other system, otherwise your argument that "Devs will be content to release bad games if only they sell well," falls apart completely because systems have ALWAYS had bad games that sold well, yet there were always devs that STILL tried their best.

Not that this really matters. Anyone with a lick of sense knows that the big studios are driven more than just by the blind need for profit. Games may not be art yet, but that doesn't mean game developers don't want to stretch their creativity, no matter what platform they're working on.

The TC is wrong.

The PS1 had a gazzilion games made for it just because it was such a hot ticket. Most were garbage. But many were true classics.

Not ALL developers will be lazy about it. Many will. But the good ones know that the quality of their games will reflect on their reputation and affect future sales of other titles as well.

[QUOTE="comstrikeiscool"]Why even try what?trup522

Although what he's trying to say is kind of hard to understand with the way he worded it, I think I get it.

Basically, 3rd party developers are looking at the Wii, and seeing a great game like mp3 do pretty poorly in sales for the userbase (compared to expectations imo). Then they look at stuff like carnival games, that sells well on the Wii. The time to develop a great game like mp3 compared to some stupid mini-games is drastic, and there is no real reward for making a better game.

That is what scares me about the Wii.

Metroid Prime 3 actually surpassed Prime 2 in a very short amount of time saleswise, I don't know where you're getting your information.

If I remember correctly a certain 50 Cent Bulletproof sold quite well on a certain system last generation, so that's a hard comparison to make.

[QUOTE="comstrikeiscool"]Why even try what?trup522

Although what he's trying to say is kind of hard to understand with the way he worded it, I think I get it.

Basically, 3rd party developers are looking at the Wii, and seeing a great game like mp3 do pretty poorly in sales for the userbase (compared to expectations imo). Then they look at stuff like carnival games, that sells well on the Wii. The time to develop a great game like mp3 compared to some stupid mini-games is drastic, and there is no real reward for making a better game.

That is what scares me about the Wii.

So Metroid Prime 3 selling half a million copies in a month isn't good enough anymore? Carnival Games hasn't even reached 100k sales yet and it's been out just as long. Metroid Prime 3 is outselling any "mini-game" game, and Resident Evil 4 has sold 800k worldwide as well. Both of these more "traditional" games will be past a million by the end of the holidays and that number isn't anything to scoff at.