Wii vs. PS2: shovelware myth

I say ive never heard this argument before.

No one here buys shovelware so its existance is irrelevant to system wars. People so fixed on shovelware really need to get a grip and realize if they are never going to buy it, it doesn't matter.

Maybe because the wii hasn't lived as long as the PS2? Or the fact that the wii's technology is less Superior than the other consoles while the PS2's technology was on the same level as the other systems.

Put wii and ps2 in wrong spots :oops:

I say ive never heard this argument before.

emorainbo

Maybe because the PS2 hasn't lived as long as the Wii? Or the fact that the wii's technology is less Superior than the other consoles while the PS2's technology was on the same level as the other systems.

boredy-Mcbored

Me thinks yer confusing PS2 with Ps3.

[QUOTE="emorainbo"]

I say ive never heard this argument before.

finesse-gamer

Maybe because the PS2 hasn't lived as long as the Wii? Or the fact that the wii's technology is less Superior than the other consoles while the PS2's technology was on the same level as the other systems.

boredy-Mcbored

[QUOTE="boredy-Mcbored"]

Maybe because the PS2 hasn't lived as long as the Wii? Or the fact that the wii's technology is less Superior than the other consoles while the PS2's technology was on the same level as the other systems.

swazidoughman

Me thinks yer confusing PS2 with Ps3.

I know alot of you have heard nintendo fans using the "ps2 had lots of shovelware too!" argument when attempting to defend wii's library. Well lookie here: according to metacritic a little over 20% of ps2 games have an average rating of 80 or above. what about wii?: under 12% that's nearly double for ps2. what say you?finesse-gamer

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"]I know alot of you have heard nintendo fans using the "ps2 had lots of shovelware too!" argument when attempting to defend wii's library. Well lookie here: according to metacritic a little over 20% of ps2 games have an average rating of 80 or above. what about wii?: under 12% that's nearly double for ps2. what say you?surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

[QUOTE="boredy-Mcbored"]

Maybe because the PS2 hasn't lived as long as the Wii? Or the fact that the wii's technology is less Superior than the other consoles while the PS2's technology was on the same level as the other systems.

finesse-gamer

Me thinks yer confusing PS2 with Ps3.

Wait what?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="finesse-gamer"]I know alot of you have heard nintendo fans using the "ps2 had lots of shovelware too!" argument when attempting to defend wii's library. Well lookie here: according to metacritic a little over 20% of ps2 games have an average rating of 80 or above. what about wii?: under 12% that's nearly double for ps2. what say you?finesse-gamer

I really wonder who cares about shovelware.IronBass

[QUOTE="IronBass"]I really wonder who cares about shovelware.finesse-gamer

[QUOTE="IronBass"]I really wonder who cares about shovelware.finesse-gamer

[QUOTE="boredy-Mcbored"]

Maybe because the PS2 hasn't lived as long as the Wii? Or the fact that the wii's technology is less Superior than the other consoles while the PS2's technology was on the same level as the other systems.

finesse-gamer

By "technology" i mean that the wii has last gen graphics which means less budget for games.

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] what? 80% then in your mind is sholveware seeing as that is where you made the cut off. so how is 80% sholveware not "shovelware too"surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"][QUOTE="boredy-Mcbored"]

Maybe because the PS2 hasn't lived as long as the Wii? Or the fact that the wii's technology is less Superior than the other consoles while the PS2's technology was on the same level as the other systems.

boredy-Mcbored

By "technology" i mean that the wii has last gen graphics which means less budget for games.

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"][QUOTE="IronBass"]I really wonder who cares about shovelware.IronBass

You know, i was moderated for "trolling", with point loss, for calling you out on your blatant ...hmmm...agenda. Seems like i temporarly forgot where i was posting., and seeing as these kinds of threads are encouraged around here, i salute you and promise never to bother you again *cheers* SW FTW. Grinning_Demon

Let it go man. Sometimes there are battles you cannot win/shouldn't fight. This is apparently one of them.

Anyway, why exactly do us susposed hardcore gamers who play high quality games give a crap about whether shovelware exists. If its 99% of a consoles library or 10% we'd never play it regardless so why does it metter exactly.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="finesse-gamer"] well the people who tried to use that excuse obviously cared about defending the amount of shovelware wii has compared to it's good games...finesse-gamer

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="finesse-gamer"] wait what? i don't understand you sorryfinesse-gamer

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"][QUOTE="IronBass"] You only proved that the PS2 had a lot of shovelware, too. Who cares?emorainbo

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] if 20 % of the ps2 games make your cut then 80% dont. that means the ps2 had a crap load of crappy games. those are your words sirsurrealnumber5

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="finesse-gamer"] well the people who tried to use that excuse obviously cared about defending the amount of shovelware wii has compared to it's good games...finesse-gamer

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="finesse-gamer"] oh i see what you are saying. well let's make the cutoff at 50 then shall we? I think we can all agree that anything under 50 is shovelware. Ps2: 8.8 % are below 50 Wii: 19.2 % are below 50 that's over twice as much shovelware. finesse-gamer

Wait what? All this thread has told me is that both the wii and PS2 had tons of shovelware. Where is the ownage? That the wii has more?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="finesse-gamer"] oh i see what you are saying. well let's make the cutoff at 50 then shall we? I think we can all agree that anything under 50 is shovelware. Ps2: 8.8 % are below 50 Wii: 19.2 % are below 50 that's over twice as much shovelware. finesse-gamer

[QUOTE="Grinning_Demon"]You know, i was moderated for "trolling", with point loss, for calling you out on your blatant ...hmmm...agenda. Seems like i temporarly forgot where i was posting., and seeing as these kinds of threads are encouraged around here, i salute you and promise never to bother you again *cheers* SW FTW. ActicEdge

Let it go man. Sometimes there are battles you cannot win/shouldn't fight. This is apparently one of them.

Anyway, why exactly do us susposed hardcore gamers who play high quality games give a crap about whether shovelware exists. If its 99% of a consoles library or 10% we'd never play it regardless so why does it metter exactly.

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] then at the same time its only ine in five games, that could hardly be considered a library cluttered with shovelware, seeing as one would have a .025% chance of randomly picking five games and they all being bad. the dreamcast only has 2 games under 50% at gamerankings with 20 or more reviews it must be the best system ever......... actualy some people do think that any who if you cant win just keep changing the rules till you cant lose am i right?surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Grinning_Demon"]You know, i was moderated for "trolling", with point loss, for calling you out on your blatant ...hmmm...agenda. Seems like i temporarly forgot where i was posting., and seeing as these kinds of threads are encouraged around here, i salute you and promise never to bother you again *cheers* SW FTW. finesse-gamer

Let it go man. Sometimes there are battles you cannot win/shouldn't fight. This is apparently one of them.

Anyway, why exactly do us susposed hardcore gamers who play high quality games give a crap about whether shovelware exists. If its 99% of a consoles library or 10% we'd never play it regardless so why does it metter exactly.

Please explain that fanboy argument to me in clear english. All I got from this thread was that wii fans say that the Ps2 had lots of shovelware (which is true) and you basically proving that they are right.

[QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"][QUOTE="finesse-gamer"]I know alot of you have heard nintendo fans using the "ps2 had lots of shovelware too!" argument when attempting to defend wii's library. Well lookie here: according to metacritic a little over 20% of ps2 games have an average rating of 80 or above. what about wii?: under 12% that's nearly double for ps2. what say you?finesse-gamer

[QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"][QUOTE="finesse-gamer"]I know alot of you have heard nintendo fans using the "ps2 had lots of shovelware too!" argument when attempting to defend wii's library. Well lookie here: according to metacritic a little over 20% of ps2 games have an average rating of 80 or above. what about wii?: under 12% that's nearly double for ps2. what say you?finesse-gamer

Uh, percents are rather useless for this comparison though. You would have to use actual numbers plus there are tons of games on the PS2 and Wii that never get the proper amount of reviews to be counted in metacritic. I would assume that the PS2 being out for so long would have more total games available so I would think percentages skew results on this already stupid comparison.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="finesse-gamer"] My point isn't to prove which system sucks. my point is to destroy a fanboy argument. so whenever you hear someone say "but ps2 had lots of shovelware too" just think of this thread and consider that person owned.finesse-gamer

noun

1. a large number or amount

it has a meaning so its not meaningless

edit:mods dont kill me but i would like to put an end to this thread so i will add a few more definitions to this post

amount

noun 1.the sum total of two or more quantities or sums; aggregate.

too

adverb 1.in addition; also; furthermore; moreover: young, clever, and rich too.

but

-conjunction 1.on the contrary

had

verb (used with object) 1.to possess;

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"][QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"] What does a rating of 80 have to do with anything? A game that gets 75 is a good game, not "shovelware". If you want to set a number, use 40% or something, not 80%.IronBass

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] lots of sholveware is lots of sholveware if you want to talk quantaty using words like lots take that 8.8% and multiply it by the number of games on the ps2 then take that 19.2% and do the same with the games out on the wii and see who has more. percapita is not the same as total as the sheep had to pound into the cows heads when they went over board saying they had an attach ratio of .2 moresurrealnumber5

it has a meaning so its not meaningless

[QUOTE="finesse-gamer"][QUOTE="Number_1_Gamer"] What does a rating of 80 have to do with anything? A game that gets 75 is a good game, not "shovelware". If you want to set a number, use 40% or something, not 80%.ActicEdge

Uh, percents are rather useless for this comparison though. You would have to use actual numbers plus there are tons of games on the PS2 and Wii that never get the proper amount of reviews to be counted in metacritic. I would assume that the PS2 being out for so long would have more total games available so I would think percentages skew results on this already stupid comparison.

so you think its fair to compare the libary of a console out for 9 years now to one out 2 years?