Wii Will Rock You (A must read for haters and lovers)

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#1 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Ok, first of all, I really am sorry. It was in no way my intention of makinganother Wii thread when I just so recently made another,

However, I camme across this really cool article, which I think everybody (especially haters) should take it upon themselves to read.

The article explains Nintendo's strategy, and after reading it, you will understand that Nintendo clearly are geniuses.

Check it out, it's called:

Wii Will Rock You

Tell me what you guys think after you check it out! Be sure to read all of it!

Excerpts:

"Ultimately, by the end of this generation, when Nintendo is through with converting the casual crowd, the Wii will have a 60 million strong hardcore user base. Obviously, this will attract more third party developers. Motion controls will have become standard by then, what with the releases of Natal and Sony Wand drawing nearer, which implies that games will be developed keeping motion sensing in mind.

But Sony and Microsoft arrived a bit too late- Motion Gaming will never be their area of profit, and the goodwill that Nintendo's motion gaming will have with so many casual-turned-hardcore gamers will never be the same with Natal or Wand.

So, games will be developed mainly on the Wii, ported over to the 360 and the PS3 with upgraded graphics and worsened control schemes. What will not help matters for the PS3 and the 360 is the high development costs, and companies developing games for these systems risk bankruptcy. On the Wii, though, thedevelopment costs for creating games is very cheap, and the results almost always pay off- these days, it's as if any game (or otherwise) on the Wii can sell over ten million copies.

Already, it has begun. Monster Hunter 3 was supposed to be a PS3 exclusive, but the development cost Capcom so much that they almost faced bankruptcy. Now, Monster Hunter 3 has gone over to the Wii, and rather spectacularly. Dragon Quest X will also be releasing exclusively on the Wii. No More Heroes Paradise, a port of the first NMH game originally released as a Wii exclusive, will be coming over to the HD consoles, but its USP, the controls, will be lost., and thus, the overall experience will never be as good.

So, two or three years down the line, when all the third party support will have gone over to the Wii, and all the casual gamers would have turned into hardcore gamers, all the 'cool' and 'masterful' games will be releasing on the Wii. Obviously, the Wii would have sold almost as much as it has now, which means, it would have crossed a hundred million. Other gamers, who would be sticking to their PS3's and Xbox 360's will realize that their HD consoles are getting no good games except for a few first party titles here and there and Wii ports. To play the cool and hardcore games, they will abandon their HD consoles, and they'll buy the Wii.

What will augment their want to buy the Wii, apart from all the third party games, will be that Nintendo will be releasing their own games, and with franchises like Zelda, Metroid and Mario, they'll make the Wii's library the best ever. AND all the games being released will be 'hardcore.'

Games like New Super Mario Bros Wii and Mario Kart Wii have proven that gamers are actually moving towards the upper tiers. I'm not disregarding what the other two consoles have done, how great they are in their own ways and how much better they might become in the near future. It's just that the goodwill that the gamers who started gaming with the Wii, and know that anything on the Wii will not disappoint them, have will never be the same with PS3 or X360.

It'll be no big surprise if the next Zelda game breaks all sales records and becomes one of the highest selling games of all time, because it will attract both, the hardcore audiences and the so-called casual gamers.

I don't know if my analysis of Nintendo's strategy with the Wii is correct or if I'm a terribly mistaken fool. We'll have to wait to find that out. But if Nintendo is actually adopting this strategy, then instead of being met with unfair and fanboyistically blind hate, it should be looked at with reverence, as this is, truly, the most ingenious strategy ever, the biggest step in gaming. This is the BEST thing Nintendo has done, ever, to any console."

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#2 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Oh, I also added some excerpts for those too lazy to read... :D
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#3 qewrewq
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terrible article, it'll make people hate the Wii even more than they do now, I didn't read all of it, just read a few paragraphs and it's very fanboyish, but:

So, two or three years down the line, when all the third party support will have gone over to the Wii,

I mean...really? :/

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#4 raskullibur
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Is this some kind of DC concerning the IGN article?
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#5 Longcat2
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Pretty good read, it could possibly very well be Nintendo's strategy.

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#6 JLF1
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The problem is that the huge Nintendo Wii userbase doesn't seem to be willing to convert to become a hardcore userbase as the article claims it will.

EDIT: What the Hell? Did that article just claim that Capcom almost went bankrupt because they started development on Monster Hunter 3 on the PS3 :lol:

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The problem is that the huge Nintendo Wii userbase doesn't seem to be willing to convert to become a hardcore userbase as the article claims it will.

EDIT: What the Hell? Did that article just claim that Capcom almost went bankrupt because they started development on Monster Hunter 3 on the PS3 :lol:

JLF1

I think that was a joke, man.

And about the casuals turning hardcore, he DID say that History proves they WILL be ready for this.

Is this some kind of DC concerning the IGN article?raskullibur

Possibly, maybe, I don't know.

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casual gamers turning hardcore..... Wii users keep on dreaming, truth is Wii is all about getting money from casual gamers. So what if bad shovelware games are ported over to 360 and PS3. "To play the cool and hardcore games, they will abandon their HD consoles, and they'll buy the Wii." XD XD XD LOL, Keep dreaming Wii users, keep dreaming... I have no idea why this article exists, so what if zelda will attract both audiences, it wont make the game last any longer or make it any better. Wait for your mario/metroids/zeldas while Ill happily enjoy the constant flow of good games on 360/PS3. This article sounds like its trying to say Wii has got all the good exclusives...right... Final Fantasy XIII+> Dragon Quest and as for monster hunter.... over hyped, the article seems to ignore that PS3 and 360 have exclusives and much better multiplatform games. This article is just full of LOL's, most people dont even play their wiis, I would know, Im one of them... if anything it makes you casual, not hardcore
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#9 suntaice
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The problem is that the huge Nintendo Wii userbase doesn't seem to be willing to convert to become a hardcore userbase as the article claims it will.

EDIT: What the Hell? Did that article just claim that Capcom almost went bankrupt because they started development on Monster Hunter 3 on the PS3 :lol:

JLF1

The production costs was too high for PS3, also PS3 had a small userbase at that 2006 when they annouced it.

Monster Hunter Tri is the main reason I have my Wii, I just can't wait for it!

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#10 linkthewindow
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Silly article, almost makes me think it's a joke article since it's so logically dumb :/ For one, the whole "casual to hardcore" thing is flawed. Yes, some gamers go this route, but claiming that all do is stupid. It's like arguing that given a few months, someone who reads Harry Potter and Twilight will, given enough time, start clamoring for the great Russians. Or that someone who watches crappy teen movies, will, given enough time, start watching "arty" French films. Again, I don't see this happening. Also, he's ignored a fundamental thing about casual gamers - it's partially about what they play, but also about how much they play. I've got friends who might play a few hours of Civ a week - but I wouldn't classify them as hardcore. Saying that it's possible to move all gamers who might spend an hour a week gaming (solo,) to someone who plays for several hours a day, is, again, unlikely and illogical. And, I don't think anyone (but fanboys) have ever claimed that the Wii totally lacks hardcore titles. Sure, it's got a casual focus, but it did have Twilight Princess on release, after all. This article is little more then a Ninty fanboy dreaming.
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#11 suntaice
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casual gamers turning hardcore..... Wii users keep on dreaming, truth is Wii is all about getting money from casual gamers. So what if bad shovelware games are ported over to 360 and PS3. "To play the cool and hardcore games, they will abandon their HD consoles, and they'll buy the Wii." XD XD XD LOL, Keep dreaming Wii users, keep dreaming... I have no idea why this article exists, so what if zelda will attract both audiences, it wont make the game last any longer or make it any better. Wait for your mario/metroids/zeldas while Ill happily enjoy the constant flow of good games on 360/PS3. This article sounds like its trying to say Wii has got all the good exclusives...right... Final Fantasy XIII+> Dragon Quest and as for monster hunter.... over hyped, the article seems to ignore that PS3 and 360 have exclusives and much better multiplatform games. This article is just full of LOL's, most people dont even play their wiis, I would know, Im one of them... if anything it makes you casual, not hardcoreFlipyap28

I don't agree, Monster Hunter is underrated. It is better than many games on the PS3/XBOX 360 even though it is just PSP game. Monster Hunter is very original unlike those bland FPS's that filled up the shelves over the past few years.

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#12 JLF1
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[QUOTE="JLF1"]

The problem is that the huge Nintendo Wii userbase doesn't seem to be willing to convert to become a hardcore userbase as the article claims it will.

EDIT: What the Hell? Did that article just claim that Capcom almost went bankrupt because they started development on Monster Hunter 3 on the PS3 :lol:

suntaice

The production costs was too high for PS3, also PS3 had a small userbase at that 2006 when they annouced it.

Monster Hunter Tri is the main reason I have my Wii, I just can't wait for it!

Oh, I am well aware of why Capcom ported it over to the Wii. The PS3 was too expensive to buy and the userbase in Japan was far too small to support the development cost of the game but no way in hell was Capcom almost going bankrupt because of it. They just wanted to make sure that the game actually made money and that's all.

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#13 suntaice
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[QUOTE="suntaice"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]

The problem is that the huge Nintendo Wii userbase doesn't seem to be willing to convert to become a hardcore userbase as the article claims it will.

EDIT: What the Hell? Did that article just claim that Capcom almost went bankrupt because they started development on Monster Hunter 3 on the PS3 :lol:

JLF1

The production costs was too high for PS3, also PS3 had a small userbase at that 2006 when they annouced it.

Monster Hunter Tri is the main reason I have my Wii, I just can't wait for it!

Oh, I am well aware of why Capcom ported it over to the Wii. The PS3 was too expensive to buy and the userbase in Japan was far too small to support the development cost of the game but no way in hell was Capcom almost going bankrupt because of it. They just wanted to make sure that the game actually made money and that's all.

Yeah, the guy must have been over emphasising.

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#14 _Cubit_
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i dont think people should be so quick to judge this article, ure this is one guys opinion on how things could take route, but its possible. We all have theories how things could work out taking in the information we see around us, and even if it doesnt entirely turn out to be there is still some truth to what we had thought up.
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#15 St_muscat
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Well if that's really Nintendo's plan then they kinda stuffed it up with the Wii, because including late 06 and 07 = good hardcore year(s) for Wii, 08 = semi-casual year, 09 = casual year (seriously Nintendo abandoned us all for except two games, Punch Out and NSMB), but at least 2010 looks to be that step-up again to hardcore.

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#16 ForceFreeze
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What I got from the article

1. "All" Third party devs abandoning PS360 platform, develop games exclusively for the Wii before porting them over to other consoles/systems

2. "All" other games soon enough will feature motion controls, ditching analog controller support

3. Motion controls>Analog controllers

4. Nintendo will actually primarily focus on "hardcore" games in the future(good thing)

.......

I dont believe this will ever happen, Sony and MS dropping out of the console market because of Nintendo is far-fetched.

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#17 PBSnipes
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Sorry, but I refuse to read an article with a title as awful as "Wii Will Rock You".

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#18 bf2nutta
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I'll defend the Wii, but thats almost as bad as half the reasons why fanboys slag the Wii off.

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#19 locopatho
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Sorry that article is 100% wrong. It's been 3 years, Wii has sold like madness and how many top 3rd party games are being developed for it? I can name one, Dragon Quest X. The rest being ports, spin offs, remakes, and niche games. To think the Wii will ever get a full hardcore game like Assassin's Creed 2, Modern Warfare 2, or Dragon Age Origins, 3 outstanding games, arguably the top of their genre, all available on 360, PS3 and PC this Christmas, is utter madness. I'll keep the Wii to play great Nintendo games, niche games and the odd 3rd party gem like Dragon Quest X. But to argue it's anything other then a 3rd place console with the worst grahics, sound, and online is simply pointless :|
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#20 Funconsole
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LOL this article is full of fanboyish remarks. Half of the article is trying to predict with their "ifs" like saying wii will have 60M hardcore fanbase, better 3rd party support, motion control will become standard, MS and Sony won't benefit from motion control. Seriously, use some common sense, if someone see's a $200 arcade with maybe a pack in natal, what are they gonna pick, the wii or xbox 360? If they know what they are choosing, they will pick the 360 due to the graphics, quality and other games that are either not available on the wii or are just crap.
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#21 Lto_thaG
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Sorry, but I refuse to read an article with a title as awful as "Wii Will Rock You".

PBSnipes
It was kinda cool in '06.
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#22 ActicEdge
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Eh I'll pass. None of these Wii articles actually provide any worth or incite reading. I'll just do without it.

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#23 swingshift
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Well, I think the opposite is happening. Casual Wii owners end up buying a 360 or PS3 when they start turning hardcore. Which could explain the lack of Wii 3rd party software sales. Wii brings them in as casuals; 360, PS3, and PC keeps them there as hardcore gamers.
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#24 gamefan274
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In my honest opinion, that was terrible. I think we all realize that one owning a console doesn't make them hardcore. You aren't bringing people into a medium. All Nintendo is doing is profiting for this gen. It will work, but, like Sony, their user base WON'T carry over and these "casuals" won't become hardcore gamers. Its like saying facebook games will make people buy PS3s. I respect Nintendo for making a profitable console but I don't have to be respectful of them because they roll around in money. I hate their games, I hate their console, I hate their arrogant attitude. I have a right to hate these guys, and so should everyone else. Some article that says they sold million and brought people into a medium isn't going to make them great in my eyes.

By the way, I will respect anyone's opinions about the Wii, but I don't have to agree with them. I have a Wii and I haven't bought a single game for it all year so my opinion is it is a dissappointment.

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Well, I think the opposite is happening. Casual Wii owners end up buying a 360 or PS3 when they start turning hardcore. Which could explain the lack of Wii 3rd party software sales. Wii brings them in as casuals; 360, PS3, and PC keeps them there as hardcore gamers.swingshift

I found it funny, but whatever stops the tears.

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[QUOTE="Flipyap28"]casual gamers turning hardcore..... Wii users keep on dreaming, truth is Wii is all about getting money from casual gamers. So what if bad shovelware games are ported over to 360 and PS3. "To play the cool and hardcore games, they will abandon their HD consoles, and they'll buy the Wii." XD XD XD LOL, Keep dreaming Wii users, keep dreaming... I have no idea why this article exists, so what if zelda will attract both audiences, it wont make the game last any longer or make it any better. Wait for your mario/metroids/zeldas while Ill happily enjoy the constant flow of good games on 360/PS3. This article sounds like its trying to say Wii has got all the good exclusives...right... Final Fantasy XIII+> Dragon Quest and as for monster hunter.... over hyped, the article seems to ignore that PS3 and 360 have exclusives and much better multiplatform games. This article is just full of LOL's, most people dont even play their wiis, I would know, Im one of them... if anything it makes you casual, not hardcoresuntaice

I don't agree, Monster Hunter is underrated. It is better than many games on the PS3/XBOX 360 even though it is just PSP game. Monster Hunter is very original unlike those bland FPS's that filled up the shelves over the past few years.

Dont get me wrong, I like Monster Hunter but I doubt 3 will be anything special, I just see it as another Phantasy Star (its biggest competitor in japan) series
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#27 bowser3
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Well the wii is geting some pretty awesome "hardcore" exclusives in 2010.

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#28 bleehum
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Sounds like wishful thinking.
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#29 awssk8er716
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Pretty good read, it could possibly very well be Nintendo's strategy.

Longcat2

I wasn't going to read it until I saw this comment.

I read the excepts, and I agree. It was pretty good.

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#30 gmc2u_64
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So, ALL of the Third-Party Developers will abandon the Xbox 360 & Playstation 3 to develop for the Wii? Yeah, it's been THREE YEARS, and I see most of them developing for the 360 & PS3, while the Wii is a metaphorical wasteland for good Third-Party Games. What a lame article. *Goes back to playing the awesome Resident Evil 5*

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#31 muzik_mafia
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The Wii did 3 things for me: Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3, and introducing me to PS3.

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#32 mariokart64fan
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whether they hate the wii or not , ,

this is all trueit happened already with so many games that were once exclusive to xbox /ps2

let look

driver paralel lines, -the last time nintendo saw somthing similar it was canned, -driv3r last gen

bully se

the godfather

scar face

cod series infinitywards to be spacific cod mw1,

shaun white 2 became wii exclusive because shaun white did beter on wii

and wii has so many exclusives much like ps2 and 1 did , , ne 1 withou 1 wil porbably regret it ,

and like some one said capco is bringing one of its games wii only , -marvel vs dc somthing , and square has devoted its final fantasy more on wii then any other this gen , while wiihas 4-5 ff games 360 only has 2 1 coming and 1 out ps3 has 3 1 is a prolouge lke thing , and 2 full ones, 13 and 14

and theres more resident evils on wii then xbox360 ps3, same for a once exclusive dead rising it was ported over, not sure the sales numbers but they were happy with it bcause we wouldnt have seen re 0 re 1 and re dc as well as all the othr stuff ,

and hvs has devoed its deveopment to wii ,with only porting nmh 1 , i dont see it sellig hopfully it wont put then under

i enjoyed nmh

and ps3 has already put 2 of the biggest studios known ironically one of them was put on th map by ps2

free radical , -known for 4 of the funnest games last gen and 1 this gen

tiime splitters timesplitters2 timesplitters 3 second sight and haze

and midway-mortal kombat crusin rush california speed 64

so ya , better tkae what that article says by heart because whether you like the 360 wii or ps3, this gen has not been kind to developers nor has this economy

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#33 Giant_Panda
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That article is saying that motion controls are better than analog controls, and I found that kinda funny. Motion controls have only been better for like 10% of multiplatform games ever released. SSBB got it right with an option for both.

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#34 sonicthemegaman
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This is pointless. Besides, unless I see results now, I could care less about the supposed future. PS3/360 currently have better games overall. It may be a matter of opinion but popular opinion seems to be all that matters so what's the point in debating the obvious truth? The Wii is losing in the eyes of most hardcore gamers. Period.