WiiU is set to die, if we look back at History.

quotes are from a Dreamcast Wiki

In April 1999, Sony announced its PlayStation 2. The actual release of the PS2 was not until March 2000 in Japan, and late-October 2000 in the United States. Sony's press release, despite being a year ahead of the launch of the PS2, was enough to divert a lot of attention from Sega. With the looming PS2 launch in Japan, Dreamcast was largely ignored in that territory. Dreamcast had great initial success in the United States, but had trouble maintaining this momentum after news of the PS2's release.

Feburary 20th 2013, Sony announces the PS4.

When the PS4 Launches the WiiU would have a Year Head Start on the System. The WiiU is already getting largely ignored thanks to the System's unveiling, the only difference here is that the WiiU hasn't really met much success anywhere.

A key to Sony's relative ease for success with the PlayStation 2 was that they already enjoyed brand-name dominance over Sega after the huge success of the original PlayStation, while Sega's reputation had been hurt due to commercial failure of the Sega Saturn, Sega 32X, and Sega CD. In particular, Sega's attempt to quickly kill off the struggling Saturn (which lagged in North America) in favour of Dreamcast had angered many third-party developers in Japan, where the Saturn had still been able to hold its own. While initial Dreamcast sales were strong, many prospective buyers and game developers were still skeptical of Sega and they held off from committing, possibly to see which console would prevail. By early 2001, game publishers abandoned Dreamcast development en masse in favour of the PlayStation 2 and cancelled many nearly completed projects (notably Half-Life).

Nintendo Reputation has been hurt severely by the Nintendo Wii. Some will LIKE to tell you the Wii won last generation by Sales Numbers alone, but if you look at the games you would see the Wii was a Far Cry from being a Success.

Even with Gems like Zack and Wiki or Little King's Story they're no match for Big League Hitters such as The Elder Scrolls or Grand Theft Auto.

Nintendo has already made a Big Name Publisher EA pretty mad to the point where their Sports Games won't be hitting the console and even a Crisis 3 WiiU version got canned.

3rd Parties have already decided they're going to support the PS4 more so than the WiiU and It seems as though by this time next year the WiiU may actually be discontinued.

This Month is supposed to have some promising Games coming out for the WiiU, but heavy hitters like Tomb Raider and Bioshock Infinite have already overshadowed those releases so expect games like Lego City and Monster Hunter to be selling far worse than what they previously have been on the Wii.

The only Hope for this console now is Nintendo's First Party Offerings, if they fail to even gather up sales then collectors better be collecting cause the way I see it this console has no future.

In other words, Sony Domination Continuation.

Nintendo Reputation has been hurt severely by the Nintendo Wii. Some will LIKE to tell you the Wii won last generation by Sales Numbers alone, but if you look at the games you would see the Wii was a Far Cry from being a Success.LegatoSkyheart

lol tc nintendo made so much more money with the wii then sega did with its 3 prior systems to the dc  plus the 2 failed add-ons and 2 failed handhelds the nomad/jet         there was alot going on at sega that caused them to fail ,  and go out of business , 

nintendo has lost money only 1 time in its existance that was due to the yen  and developing wiiu hardware     

 and 3ds was slow ,   but now with it selling ,  nintendos back on track  towards profit , 

sega did not have the  same luck  ,    you must remember what happened to sega before they released dreamcast   , sega screwed them selves big time , they launched 2 failed add-ons plus cancelled a stand alone sega 32x    all within the same time frame as they were developing saturn and the saturn launch was handled very badly worst then what wiiu was ,  -let me remind you --  - sega got on stage and said we are launching the sega saturn ,, bla bla b la and at the end ----oh by the way its in stores now    .

then they killed it off to early ,   3 yrs into its life dc was about ready to come out  and sega was forced into developing software because the months after launch the dc didnt sell to well and didnt have games to mAKE IT SELL nintndo has games that will push hardware 

lol tc nintendo made so much more money with the wii then sega did with its 3 prior systems to the dc  plus the 2 failed add-ons and 2 failed handhelds the nomad/jet         there was alot going on at sega that caused them to fail ,  and go out of business , 

nintendo has lost money only 1 time in its existance that was due to the yen  and developing wiiu hardware     

 and 3ds was slow ,   but now with it selling ,  nintendos back on track  towards profit , 

 

sega did not have the  same luck  ,    you must remember what happened to sega before they released dreamcast   , sega screwed them selves big time , they launched 2 failed add-ons plus cancelled a stand alone sega 32x    all within the same time frame as they were developing saturn and the saturn launch was handled very badly worst then what wiiu was ,  -let me remind you --  - sega got on stage and said we are launching the sega saturn ,, bla bla b la and at the end ----oh by the way its in stores now    .

then they killed it off to early ,   3 yrs into its life dc was about ready to come out  and sega was forced into developing software because the months after launch the dc didnt sell to well and didnt have games to mAKE IT SELL nintndo has games that will push hardware 

mariokart64fan

That's an ugly picture, you just painted. :(

SEGA was bleeding money trough the bullet holes produced by supporting countless failed systems, bad marketing, etc. by the time the Dreamcast was released. Nintendo just got off the Wii train, which is the highest selling console of the 7th gen., the DS which is the highest selling gaming system ever, wile keeping the handheld market on lock with the highly succesful 3DS.

You know a system is dead when both Publishers and Developers hate it. runbleduck

[QUOTE="runbleduck"]You know a system is dead when both Publishers and Developers hate it. blackace

Why do you hate Wii U so much?faizan_faizan

Because I care.

C'mon, Legato. Why do you keep overlooking the major differences between the positions of both first parties? Nintendo didn't lose a waterfall of cash over N64 and GameCube, but they gained a hell of a lot from Wii and DS. Unlike SEGA since the SEGA CD-Dreamcast.nintendoboy16

Nintendo didn't outright lose 3rd Party Support on the N64 and Gamecube.

WiiU is failing to get support from even the easiest of companies.

When Activision is not Happy and EA is not Happy. You're going to have a REALLY hard time floating in the industry. 

(I translated this the best I could)

LOL, TC, Nintendo made SO MUCH MORE money with the Wii than Sega did with it's 3 prior systems to the Dreamcast.
Plus the 2 failed add-ons and the 2 failed handhelds, the Nomad/Jet....

There was a lot going on at Sega that caused them to fail and go out of business.
Nintendo has lost money only 1 time in its existance and that was due to yen, developing WiiU Hardware, and 3DS sales being slow.

But now the 3DS is selling and Nintendos back on track towards Profit.

Sega did not have the Same Luck, you must remember what happened to Sega Before they Released the Dreamcast,

Sega Screwed themselves big time, They dropped support for current addons for the genesis and even released the Saturn with no warning at all. Remember that?

Not only that but they killed it off too early, 3 years into it's life and Dreamcast was ready to come out, and this forced Sega into Developing software because the months after Dreamcast Launch the Dreamcast didn't sell too well and didn't have games to MAKE IT SELL.

Nintendo has games that will push hardware.

 

mariokart64fan

Dreamcast was actually selling WELL quite well when it launched and the Dreamcast also had THE GAMES.

What happened to the Dreamcast was Sony's Over Powering Brand Loyalty which is EXACTLY what's happening right now.

If not the PS4 then the Xbox 720 due to it's Overpowering Brand Loyalty in America. Nintendo LOST that Brand Loyalty and they're having a very hard time getting it back.

quotes are from a Dreamcast Wiki

In April 1999, Sony announced its PlayStation 2. The actual release of the PS2 was not until March 2000 in Japan, and late-October 2000 in the United States. Sony's press release, despite being a year ahead of the launch of the PS2, was enough to divert a lot of attention from Sega. With the looming PS2 launch in Japan, Dreamcast was largely ignored in that territory. Dreamcast had great initial success in the United States, but had trouble maintaining this momentum after news of the PS2's release.

LegatoSkyheart

Feburary 20th 2013, Sony announces the PS4.

When the PS4 Launches the WiiU would have a Year Head Start on the System. The WiiU is already getting largely ignored thanks to the System's unveiling, the only difference here is that the WiiU hasn't really met much success anywhere.

A key to Sony's relative ease for success with the PlayStation 2 was that they already enjoyed brand-name dominance over Sega after the huge success of the original PlayStation, while Sega's reputation had been hurt due to commercial failure of the Sega Saturn, Sega 32X, and Sega CD. In particular, Sega's attempt to quickly kill off the struggling Saturn (which lagged in North America) in favour of Dreamcast had angered many third-party developers in Japan, where the Saturn had still been able to hold its own. While initial Dreamcast sales were strong, many prospective buyers and game developers were still skeptical of Sega and they held off from committing, possibly to see which console would prevail. By early 2001, game publishers abandoned Dreamcast development en masse in favour of the PlayStation 2 and cancelled many nearly completed projects (notably Half-Life).

Nintendo Reputation has been hurt severely by the Nintendo Wii. Some will LIKE to tell you the Wii won last generation by Sales Numbers alone, but if you look at the games you would see the Wii was a Far Cry from being a Success.

Even with Gems like Zack and Wiki or Little King's Story they're no match for Big League Hitters such as The Elder Scrolls or Grand Theft Auto.

Nintendo has already made a Big Name Publisher EA pretty mad to the point where their Sports Games won't be hitting the console and even a Crisis 3 WiiU version got canned.

3rd Parties have already decided they're going to support the PS4 more so than the WiiU and It seems as though by this time next year the WiiU may actually be discontinued.

This Month is supposed to have some promising Games coming out for the WiiU, but heavy hitters like Tomb Raider and Bioshock Infinite have already overshadowed those releases so expect games like Lego City and Monster Hunter to be selling far worse than what they previously have been on the Wii.

The only Hope for this console now is Nintendo's First Party Offerings, if they fail to even gather up sales then collectors better be collecting cause the way I see it this console has no future.

Not the same thing at all. The Wii sold well. The Wii U sold poorly despite its predecessor selling well.

The Saturn sold poorly, but the Dreamcast had initial success, and it was going against a successor to the ps1, which had phenomenal success. That, and Sega also unscrupulously broke their launch date, angering big retailers like Target (i think). Apparently, major retailers went to the extent of boycotting Sega products completely.

I don't see a similarity here.

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]Why do you hate Wii U so much?LegatoSkyheart

Because I care.

C'mon, Legato. Why do you keep overlooking the major differences between the positions of both first parties? Nintendo didn't lose a waterfall of cash over N64 and GameCube, but they gained a hell of a lot from Wii and DS. Unlike SEGA since the SEGA CD-Dreamcast.nintendoboy16

Nintendo didn't outright lose 3rd Party Support on the N64 and Gamecube.

WiiU is failing to get support from even the easiest of companies.

When Activision is not Happy and EA is not Happy. You're going to have a REALLY hard time floating in the industry. 

SEGA was bleeding money trough the bullet holes produced by supporting countless failed systems, bad marketing, etc. by the time the Dreamcast was released. Nintendo just got off the Wii train, which is the highest selling console of the 7th gen., the DS which is the highest selling gaming system ever, wile keeping the handheld market on lock with the highly succesful 3DS.

 

Lucianu

Not the same thing at all. The Wii sold well. The Wii U sold poorly despite its predecessor selling well.

The Saturn sold poorly, but the Dreamcast had initial success, and it was going against a successor to the ps1, which had phenomenal success. That, and Sega also unscrupulously broke their launch date, angering big retailers like Target (i think). Apparently, major retailers went to the extent of boycotting Sega products completely.

I don't see a similarity here.

jhcho2

There's no Nintendo Boycott, but there might as well be since the WiiU is selling quite horribly, there probably wouldn't be a difference.

The WiiU is going to be going up against the PS4 and the NextBox which are sure to be Heavy Hitters with both 1st Party and 3rd Party games in their plates.

and looking at what 3rd Party Devs are saying WiiU ain't looking too good Bro. I wish it was, oh man do I wish it was, but it's just not happening.

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

Not the same thing at all. The Wii sold well. The Wii U sold poorly despite its predecessor selling well.

The Saturn sold poorly, but the Dreamcast had initial success, and it was going against a successor to the ps1, which had phenomenal success. That, and Sega also unscrupulously broke their launch date, angering big retailers like Target (i think). Apparently, major retailers went to the extent of boycotting Sega products completely.

I don't see a similarity here.

LegatoSkyheart

There's no Nintendo Boycott, but there might as well be since the WiiU is selling quite horribly, there probably wouldn't be a difference.

The WiiU is going to be going up against the PS4 and the NextBox which are sure to be Heavy Hitters with both 1st Party and 3rd Party games in their plates.

and looking at what 3rd Party Devs are saying WiiU ain't looking too good Bro. I wish it was, oh man do I wish it was, but it's just not happening.

Bulls***! Losing third party support was noted for both systems. For N64, it was because of Nintendo's horrible practices with third parties and when they stuck to cartridges (they lost Square as a result, and publishers like Namco, Konami, and Capcom only threw out one or two things). For GameCube, it was because they used mini-discs that held less data than a DVD or DVD sized disc. Also the fact that both systems got what they consider to be bad sales (although they weren't really for Ninty as they did survive much longer than the Virtual Boy)

nintendoboy16

Then Explain why the N64 got games like Turok, Gex, Resident Evil 2, Star Wars Rouge Squadron, Tony Hawk Pro Skater, Megaman 64, Mortal Kombat Gold, Crusin' World, Quake, Doom, Ogre Battle 64, Quest, etc.

The N64 had 3rd Party support it.

What happens when Nintendo releases a Mario, a Wii Fit, a Pokemon, a Mario Kart, a Smash Bros, or some new Ip, each of which can sell tens of millions?locopatho

If it sells Millions because of Bayonetta 2 and Smash Bros. then I better hope to see more 3rd Party Support, cause right now it's abysmal.

I doubt it will be discontinued, though it could certainly struggle similarly to GC and N64.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

Bulls***! Losing third party support was noted for both systems. For N64, it was because of Nintendo's horrible practices with third parties and when they stuck to cartridges (they lost Square as a result, and publishers like Namco, Konami, and Capcom only threw out one or two things). For GameCube, it was because they used mini-discs that held less data than a DVD or DVD sized disc. Also the fact that both systems got what they consider to be bad sales (although they weren't really for Ninty as they did survive much longer than the Virtual Boy)

LegatoSkyheart

Then Explain why the N64 got games like Turok, Gex, Resident Evil 2, Star Wars Rouge Squadron, Tony Hawk Pro Skater, Megaman 64, Mortal Kombat Gold, Crusin' World, Quake, Doom, Ogre Battle 64, Quest, etc.

The N64 had 3rd Party support it.

Every system has some sort of third party support, just that Nintendo consoles SINCE N64 have had it go unnoticed due to how little it is compared to the competition (with only a few games that will spark attention). Wii U still has SOME third party games coming out as far as I'm concerned, but again, getting about as much notice as N64/GameCube/Wii before it.

Really, that's your proof of the Wii U dying?

PS4 & NextBox will obliterate the WiiU in terms of support, popularity and likely sales. 

WiiU will be Nintendo's final nail through its coffin (in console front), if they don't do anything drastic to lure more 3rd party support. Their 1st party can only do so much, but everyone knows that 3rd party support is just as important to drive consoles.

Why do you hate Wii U so much?faizan_faizan

I don't know if or why he/she does but I hate the thing because of the influence Nintendo appears to be having on Microsoft. As a consumer I like the way it used to be: Companies taking huge losses on hardware to make it as powerful as they can. Maybe that's not so good for them but it's good for me. Nintendo has changed the game by selling junk for a profit. And if the rumors are true MS seems to have taken notice and is being persuaded by their approach, just not to the extent that Nintendo takes it. When I look at Durango specs it seems to me to be somewhere in between the old approach and Nintendo's approach. I wouldn't describe it as woefully weak like Nintendo's consoles tend to be but it isn't nearly as capable as it could/should be either. I mean, c'mon, Epic Games was asking for 2.5 tflops and MS is going to deliver only half of that? I don't know if 1.2 tflops will end up being the graphics rendering capabilities it ships with, hopefully not, but I do feel confident that such a target would never have even been considered had there never been a Wii or a Wii U. And because of that the sooner Nintendo goes under as a hardware maker the better imo.

By this logic the XBOX 360 should have died since it also released one year before the PS3...

It will become Gamecube 2.0. Not dead but not relevant either except to hardcore sheep.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]Nintendo Reputation has been hurt severely by the Nintendo Wii. Some will LIKE to tell you the Wii won last generation by Sales Numbers alone, but if you look at the games you would see the Wii was a Far Cry from being a Success.Heil68

Sheep spend way too much time hyping games they either know nothing about or are gonna be a niche title that flops on its ass. Wonderful 101? Bayonetta 2? Look at Bayonetta on the 360 and PS3. Sales were below average. It is dead in the water on the Wii U and devs show tima and time aagain they never release their best wok on Nintendo systems.

History doesn't mean anything if the circumstances don't match up. That's why learning from past mistakes should only be looked upon as derivations as no one situation will be exactly like another. Of course most would see the historical argument as the sloppy attempt to blanket the situation with a general theme of reference, hence your argument about the first year out, etc.

In this case WiiU may or may not die. It won't be due to historical accounts though as they don't have the exact same circumstances. Hence Sega and their failing systems beforehand, and Ninty riding off some fairly successful endeavors.

wii u is basically already dead.   It hasnt existed and will continue to not exist.    If developers make games for it, they will do it just once to test the waters. It simply isnt worth the budget . How much you want to bet that LEGO game which got  a 8.0 today on gamespot goes multiplatforum eventually..  They arent going to be able to recover the budget with a mere 300,000 copies sold

The gimmick failed, its over ..       Thats just the bad news.      The good news is nintendo has like 10.5 billion dollars.  One flopped piece of hardware will hardly scratch their pockets.  Even if worst comes to worst they just go software only and rake in the cash.... 

Like who's not gonna buy a mario for their ps4 , or a donkey kong for their xbox?

They are fine.    I actually would be glad if their  hardware division flops, Wouldnt mind the occasional nintendo pc game now and then. 

[QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]

lol tc nintendo made so much more money with the wii then sega did with its 3 prior systems to the dc  plus the 2 failed add-ons and 2 failed handhelds the nomad/jet         there was alot going on at sega that caused them to fail ,  and go out of business , 

nintendo has lost money only 1 time in its existance that was due to the yen  and developing wiiu hardware     

 and 3ds was slow ,   but now with it selling ,  nintendos back on track  towards profit , 

 

sega did not have the  same luck  ,    you must remember what happened to sega before they released dreamcast   , sega screwed them selves big time , they launched 2 failed add-ons plus cancelled a stand alone sega 32x    all within the same time frame as they were developing saturn and the saturn launch was handled very badly worst then what wiiu was ,  -let me remind you --  - sega got on stage and said we are launching the sega saturn ,, bla bla b la and at the end ----oh by the way its in stores now    .

then they killed it off to early ,   3 yrs into its life dc was about ready to come out  and sega was forced into developing software because the months after launch the dc didnt sell to well and didnt have games to mAKE IT SELL nintndo has games that will push hardware 

Heil68

nintendo has not did anything like sega , ,  name me 2 add-ons for the snes that nintendo released just prior to n64 name me one commercial failure out side vb that has effectively killed their next console? got anything i don't all nintendos consoles ran 5-6 yrs without problems 

 sega how ever had their consoles life time cut short in the saturn era and the dc era  leaving only the genesis being the only noteworthy platform as sms was wiped out completely by nes ,  

 so again in which way am i agreeing with tc i am not ,  

and the proof is there  read more  and decypher  everything in the first post,  

 there is no simularities to nintendo and sega in terms of profitability/market,  

sega has released 2 failed add-on's  

2 failed consoles  ,   and didnt even lead in terms of sales in any of their times competing  ,  they even had 2 yr head start against snes and failed to sell more so its clear nintendo is the more trusted brand in gaming ,  and is the only one left that only caters to gaming , they do not care for movies thats why they dont put dvd or bluray into their console ,   ms and sony are battling for the movie /living room while nintendo is just doing its own thing  

which is why they are still here sega was nintendos main rival ,  

and nintendo won that so they do not have any main rivals at all  ,   as like i said ms and sony cater to multimedia functions ,      and they even said so them selfs they are not focused on nintendo ,    their focused on eachother ,  

so comparing nintendo to sega ,  is not  a good comparision 

wii u is basically already dead.   It hasnt existed and will continue to not exist.    If developers make games for it, they will do it just once to test the waters. It simply isnt worth the budget . How much you want to bet that LEGO game which got  a 8.0 today on gamespot goes multiplatforum eventually..  They arent going to be able to recover the budget with a mere 300,000 units sold

 

The gimmick failed, its over ..       Thats just the bad news.      The good news is nintendo has like 10.5 billion dollars.  One flopped piece of hardware will hardly scratch their pockets.  Even if worst comes to worst they just go software only and rake in the cash.... 

 

Like who's not gonna buy a mario for their ps4 , or a donkey kong for their xbox?

 

They are fine.    I actually would be glad if their  hardware division flops, Wouldnt mind the occasional nintendo pc game now and then. 

lunar1122

The Wii U will be fine.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

Not the same thing at all. The Wii sold well. The Wii U sold poorly despite its predecessor selling well.

The Saturn sold poorly, but the Dreamcast had initial success, and it was going against a successor to the ps1, which had phenomenal success. That, and Sega also unscrupulously broke their launch date, angering big retailers like Target (i think). Apparently, major retailers went to the extent of boycotting Sega products completely.

I don't see a similarity here.

locopatho

There's no Nintendo Boycott, but there might as well be since the WiiU is selling quite horribly, there probably wouldn't be a difference.

The WiiU is going to be going up against the PS4 and the NextBox which are sure to be Heavy Hitters with both 1st Party and 3rd Party games in their plates.

and looking at what 3rd Party Devs are saying WiiU ain't looking too good Bro. I wish it was, oh man do I wish it was, but it's just not happening.

[QUOTE="lunar1122"]

wii u is basically already dead.   It hasnt existed and will continue to not exist.    If developers make games for it, they will do it just once to test the waters. It simply isnt worth the budget . How much you want to bet that LEGO game which got  a 8.0 today on gamespot goes multiplatforum eventually..  They arent going to be able to recover the budget with a mere 300,000 units sold

 

The gimmick failed, its over ..       Thats just the bad news.      The good news is nintendo has like 10.5 billion dollars.  One flopped piece of hardware will hardly scratch their pockets.  Even if worst comes to worst they just go software only and rake in the cash.... 

 

Like who's not gonna buy a mario for their ps4 , or a donkey kong for their xbox?

 

They are fine.    I actually would be glad if their  hardware division flops, Wouldnt mind the occasional nintendo pc game now and then. 

nintendoboy16

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

There's no Nintendo Boycott, but there might as well be since the WiiU is selling quite horribly, there probably wouldn't be a difference.

The WiiU is going to be going up against the PS4 and the NextBox which are sure to be Heavy Hitters with both 1st Party and 3rd Party games in their plates.

and looking at what 3rd Party Devs are saying WiiU ain't looking too good Bro. I wish it was, oh man do I wish it was, but it's just not happening.

fernandmondego_

Transcending history, and the world, a tale of companies and consoles, eternally retold.

Or something.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="lunar1122"]

wii u is basically already dead.   It hasnt existed and will continue to not exist.    If developers make games for it, they will do it just once to test the waters. It simply isnt worth the budget . How much you want to bet that LEGO game which got  a 8.0 today on gamespot goes multiplatforum eventually..  They arent going to be able to recover the budget with a mere 300,000 units sold

 

The gimmick failed, its over ..       Thats just the bad news.      The good news is nintendo has like 10.5 billion dollars.  One flopped piece of hardware will hardly scratch their pockets.  Even if worst comes to worst they just go software only and rake in the cash.... 

 

Like who's not gonna buy a mario for their ps4 , or a donkey kong for their xbox?

 

They are fine.    I actually would be glad if their  hardware division flops, Wouldnt mind the occasional nintendo pc game now and then. 

locopatho

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Many people. Nintendo doesn't have that universal appeal as we think due to the different audiences on the other systems. Their games would TANK (at least Sonic stays in the range Sonic 3 and the Sonic Adventure games sold)

nintendoboy16

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Because 20 million Mario/Pokemon fans will evaporate if they have to play it on a big black console as opposed to a small white console?Capitan_Kid

Besides, I didn't say that as in ALL PS/XBOX owners most likely would avoid Nintendo's games. It's as bad as saying ALL Nintendo fans don't buy third party games

[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Like I said, different audiences for each system. Most PlayStation/XBOX owners wouldn't be caught dead with a Mario/Zelda/Pokemon game in their collection. Even if part of the same audience is on those systems, they likely would move on (I know I would, because I have a dang good feeling they wouldn't be the same in a BAD way) if they see and feel that Nintendo's quality goes down (no matter how high critics review them).

nintendoboy16

Besides, I didn't say that as in ALL PS/XBOX owners most likely would avoid Nintendo's games. It's as bad as saying ALL Nintendo fans don't buy third party games

True that, but you did still say most would be like that. Once you put a majority into a statement you turn it into a generalization more than half the time.

The Wii U could very well get weak sales and fail in comparison to the PS4 and Nextbox, as right now it isn't doing very impressive. I don't see the system outright dying either though and I could see it staying out in the market for the whole 8th gen.