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#1 player_leo
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The past years the 360 has sold more than the PS3 , mostly due to price points, but now that their 120 GBare the same price, who will have the better sells after all the numbers have been counted. Many people say they have been waiting for this price cut from the PS3 just to buy one. Can the 360's price cut be enough to stay on top this year?

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The past years the 360 has sold more than the PS3 , mostly due to price points, but now that their 120 GBare the same price, who will have the better sells after all the numbers have been counted. Many people say they have been waiting for this price cut from the PS3 just to buy one. Can the 360's price cut be enough to stay on top this year?

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Maybe. I think this is will be the year they actually have a chance. I don't expect it to be a landslide in any direction though.
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The 360 will not outsell the PS3 any longer. The reason the 360 was slightly outselling the PS3 is that it was a cheaper console. Now that the PS3 is the same price and gives you much more for the money and there's a Slim version, there's absolutely no reason to believe the PS3 wont sell more.

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#4 snakefist5000
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The 360 will not outsell the PS3 any longer. The reason the 360 was slightly outselling the PS3 is that it was a cheaper console. Now that the PS3 is the same price and gives you much more for the money and there's a Slim version, there's absolutely no reason to believe the PS3 wont sell more.

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Theres more than one model of the 360 you know. One's the same price and the other 2 are cheaper. However, i do think it will be neck and neck this holiday.
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#5 Nike_Air
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Probably not. (NA and UK)

Why ?

  • The 360'scheaper at the end of the day for the mas market
  • More popular games than playstationthis holiday - Halo , Forza , Left 4 Dead >>>> Uncharted , Ratchet
  • Mindshare/marketshare - more people already own them and more people will go with what their friends have , andpeople are talking their friends into XBL and 360s.

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The past years the 360 has sold more than the PS3 , mostly due to price points, but now that their 120 GBare the same price, who will have the better sells after all the numbers have been counted. Many people say they have been waiting for this price cut from the PS3 just to buy one. Can the 360's price cut be enough to stay on top this year?

player_leo

Maybe, maybe not. I think it'll be pretty close, at least in the U.S. If M$ loses this holiday expect them to handle their business in 2010 when Natal is released in the fall. I don't see the PS3 catching the XBox 360 anytime soon though.

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The 360 will not outsell the PS3 any longer. The reason the 360 was slightly outselling the PS3 is that it was a cheaper console. Now that the PS3 is the same price and gives you much more for the money and there's a Slim version, there's absolutely no reason to believe the PS3 wont sell more.

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Well, that was said back in 2008 as well and then Microsoft did a little price cut and the rest is history. People also said the XBox 360 would never outsell the PS3 in Japan, yet it outsold it for 11 weeks straight and 13 out of 14 weeks overall. lol!! So never say never. Microsoft has plans in the works I'm sure.

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[QUOTE="patriots7672"]

The 360 will not outsell the PS3 any longer. The reason the 360 was slightly outselling the PS3 is that it was a cheaper console. Now that the PS3 is the same price and gives you much more for the money and there's a Slim version, there's absolutely no reason to believe the PS3 wont sell more.

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Theres more than one model of the 360 you know. One's the same price and the other 2 are cheaper. However, i do think it will be neck and neck this holiday.

One that is cheaper, the pro is no more! Anyways, the 360 will sell better because it has the Arcade version and many people go for the cheapest by default even if it isn't the best value for their money.
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yea
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[QUOTE="snakefist5000"][QUOTE="patriots7672"]

The 360 will not outsell the PS3 any longer. The reason the 360 was slightly outselling the PS3 is that it was a cheaper console. Now that the PS3 is the same price and gives you much more for the money and there's a Slim version, there's absolutely no reason to believe the PS3 wont sell more.

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Theres more than one model of the 360 you know. One's the same price and the other 2 are cheaper. However, i do think it will be neck and neck this holiday.

One that is cheaper, the pro is no more! Anyways, the 360 will sell better because it has the Arcade version and many people go for the cheapest by default even if it isn't the best value for their money.

I thought the pro being phased out was just a rumour?
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Who knows? I think the XBOX will have more must have titles but Sony is banking Blu-Ray will make the difference.

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[QUOTE="snakefist5000"][QUOTE="patriots7672"]

The 360 will not outsell the PS3 any longer. The reason the 360 was slightly outselling the PS3 is that it was a cheaper console. Now that the PS3 is the same price and gives you much more for the money and there's a Slim version, there's absolutely no reason to believe the PS3 wont sell more.

Odrec
Theres more than one model of the 360 you know. One's the same price and the other 2 are cheaper. However, i do think it will be neck and neck this holiday.

One that is cheaper, the pro is no more! Anyways, the 360 will sell better because it has the Arcade version and many people go for the cheapest by default even if it isn't the best value for their money.

there's probley freaking craploads of pros in warehouses lol
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There's a small chance that it might. Europe, idk probably every close IF GT5 comes out. Japan, PS3 will just destroy the 360 if both GT5 and FF13 get released. NA, probably 360 cause of titles like Halo 3 ODST, Forza 3, and L4D2.
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#13 Odrec
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[QUOTE="snakefist5000"][QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="snakefist5000"] Theres more than one model of the 360 you know. One's the same price and the other 2 are cheaper. However, i do think it will be neck and neck this holiday.

One that is cheaper, the pro is no more! Anyways, the 360 will sell better because it has the Arcade version and many people go for the cheapest by default even if it isn't the best value for their money.

I thought the pro being phased out was just a rumour?

hmmm... I don't know then, I thought it was official. If so then three versions but I don't see why anyone would get a Pro instead of a Elite at current price.
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The 360 will not outsell the PS3 any longer. The reason the 360 was slightly outselling the PS3 is that it was a cheaper console. Now that the PS3 is the same price and gives you much more for the money and there's a Slim version, there's absolutely no reason to believe the PS3 wont sell more.

patriots7672

Why do Cows always go to features rather than games which they know they clearly lack in comparison to XBOX 360's library? I think I just answered my own question.

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The 360 will not outsell the PS3 any longer. The reason the 360 was slightly outselling the PS3 is that it was a cheaper console. Now that the PS3 is the same price and gives you much more for the money and there's a Slim version, there's absolutely no reason to believe the PS3 wont sell more.

patriots7672

Now what happens if the 360 still manages to outsell the PS3 this holiday season? Is it possible that a systems game library could be a fairly big determining factor when it comes to purchasing a console?

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[QUOTE="patriots7672"]

The 360 will not outsell the PS3 any longer. The reason the 360 was slightly outselling the PS3 is that it was a cheaper console. Now that the PS3 is the same price and gives you much more for the money and there's a Slim version, there's absolutely no reason to believe the PS3 wont sell more.

sexy_robot_man

Why do Cows always go to features rather than games which they know they clearly lack in comparison to XBOX 360's library? I think I just answered my own question.

Really? Name one notable exclusive the 360 has had this year? And remember the year is 3/4 of the way over. It must stink having to wait until Christmas for games.
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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="sexy_robot_man"]

[QUOTE="patriots7672"]

The 360 will not outsell the PS3 any longer. The reason the 360 was slightly outselling the PS3 is that it was a cheaper console. Now that the PS3 is the same price and gives you much more for the money and there's a Slim version, there's absolutely no reason to believe the PS3 wont sell more.

Why do Cows always go to features rather than games which they know they clearly lack in comparison to XBOX 360's library? I think I just answered my own question.

Really? Name one notable exclusive the 360 has had this year? And remember the year is 3/4 of the way over. It must stink having to wait until Christmas for games.

Yet with all the extra features the ps3 has the slim and a price cut is still needed to try and catch up
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#18 snakefist5000
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There's a small chance that it might. Europe, idk probably every close IF GT5 comes out. Japan, PS3 will just destroy the 360 if both GT5 and FF13 get released. NA, probably 360 cause of titles like Halo 3 ODST, Forza 3, and L4D2. Nonstop-Madness
Wasn't Forza 2 the most popular game in Europe at one point? If so Forza 3 might help push some units.
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This holiday?? - no because of the 249 and 199 model 360, and the world is in an economic recovery (historically, those are the times were less is spent, more is saved) Next Year?? - as the 249 model dries up, i think the PS3 will begin to outsell the 360 for a while like it did last year because people will begin to notice the "value" of the system.
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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="sexy_robot_man"]Why do Cows always go to features rather than games which they know they clearly lack in comparison to XBOX 360's library? I think I just answered my own question.

EmpCom

Really? Name one notable exclusive the 360 has had this year? And remember the year is 3/4 of the way over. It must stink having to wait until Christmas for games.

Yet with all the extra features the ps3 has the slim and a price cut is still needed to try and catch up

It's called a global recession. You might note that PS3 was outselling 360 the year before. And since when is a price cut a bad thing?

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#21 Eddie-Vedder
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the 360 still has the 199 arcade model. Ppl seem to keep forgeting that, and yes I know the arcade is a rip, but your average joe really only see's the low price point.

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no playstation will be back in full force

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[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"] Really? Name one notable exclusive the 360 has had this year? And remember the year is 3/4 of the way over. It must stink having to wait until Christmas for games.EmperorSupreme

Yet with all the extra features the ps3 has the slim and a price cut is still needed to try and catch up

It's called a global recession. You might note that PS3 was outselling 360 the year before. And since when is a price cut a bad thing?

Who said it was a bad thing, what i am saying is look at what the ps3 gives free online,blu-ray,browser,built in wifi, its embarrasing for fanboys to keep making excuses when the 360 with all its faults is still ahead of the ps3. Well not anymore same price lots more features if sony cant catch up now every sony fan in here should hang there head in shame and never open their mouths about the 360 again
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[QUOTE="sexy_robot_man"]

[QUOTE="patriots7672"]

The 360 will not outsell the PS3 any longer. The reason the 360 was slightly outselling the PS3 is that it was a cheaper console. Now that the PS3 is the same price and gives you much more for the money and there's a Slim version, there's absolutely no reason to believe the PS3 wont sell more.

EmperorSupreme

Why do Cows always go to features rather than games which they know they clearly lack in comparison to XBOX 360's library? I think I just answered my own question.

Really? Name one notable exclusive the 360 has had this year? And remember the year is 3/4 of the way over. It must stink having to wait until Christmas for games.

You think somebody buying an XBOX 360 or PS3 slim for the first time are only concerned with a AAA title released this year? This is why the Cows are so dillusional in here you never think of real life in your responses you get to caught up in the fantasy that is SYSTEM WARS here at Cowspot.

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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="sexy_robot_man"]Why do Cows always go to features rather than games which they know they clearly lack in comparison to XBOX 360's library? I think I just answered my own question.

Really? Name one notable exclusive the 360 has had this year? And remember the year is 3/4 of the way over. It must stink having to wait until Christmas for games.

You think somebody buying an XBOX 360 or PS3 slim for the first time are only concerned with a AAA title released this year? This is why the Cows are so dillusional in here you never think of real life in your responses you get to caught up in the fantasy that is SYSTEM WARS here at Cowspot.

Yes. Heaven forbid there should be anything wrong at all with the intelligence of lemmings. Everyone knows the cows are delusional and don't know anything.
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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="sexy_robot_man"]Why do Cows always go to features rather than games which they know they clearly lack in comparison to XBOX 360's library? I think I just answered my own question.

sexy_robot_man

Really? Name one notable exclusive the 360 has had this year? And remember the year is 3/4 of the way over. It must stink having to wait until Christmas for games.

You think somebody buying an XBOX 360 or PS3 slim for the first time are only concerned with a AAA title released this year? This is why the Cows are so dillusional in here you never think of real life in your responses you get to caught up in the fantasy that is SYSTEM WARS here at Cowspot.

Don't be angry at Cows, be angry at MS. Cows don't control if you have games or not
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Ya know, I'm gonna say Ps3 will finally pass 360 in sales in all territories this Christmas.

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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"] Really? Name one notable exclusive the 360 has had this year? And remember the year is 3/4 of the way over. It must stink having to wait until Christmas for games.EmperorSupreme

You think somebody buying an XBOX 360 or PS3 slim for the first time are only concerned with a AAA title released this year? This is why the Cows are so dillusional in here you never think of real life in your responses you get to caught up in the fantasy that is SYSTEM WARS here at Cowspot.

Don't be angry at Cows, be angry at MS. Cows don't control if you have games or not

What? XBOX has the superior lineup plain and simple and that is why it will and has outsold PS3 to this point.

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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="sexy_robot_man"]Why do Cows always go to features rather than games which they know they clearly lack in comparison to XBOX 360's library? I think I just answered my own question.

sexy_robot_man

Really? Name one notable exclusive the 360 has had this year? And remember the year is 3/4 of the way over. It must stink having to wait until Christmas for games.

You think somebody buying an XBOX 360 or PS3 slim for the first time are only concerned with a AAA title released this year? This is why the Cows are so dillusional in here you never think of real life in your responses you get to caught up in the fantasy that is SYSTEM WARS here at Cowspot.

And you seriously think Ps3 exclusives are lacking compared to 360? Yaaaaaa, no.
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#30 fedor19820
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if lemmings say its a fact that xbox360 will outsell the ps3 then it has to be true

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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"][QUOTE="sexy_robot_man"]You think somebody buying an XBOX 360 or PS3 slim for the first time are only concerned with a AAA title released this year? This is why the Cows are so dillusional in here you never think of real life in your responses you get to caught up in the fantasy that is SYSTEM WARS here at Cowspot.

sexy_robot_man

Don't be angry at Cows, be angry at MS. Cows don't control if you have games or not

What? XBOX has the superior lineup plain and simple and that is why it will and has outsold PS3 to this point.

According to a spreadsheet?
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possibly, but they r the same price so people are really doing comparisons, and things like RROD, "weaker" Graphics, and lack of an exclusive library really lean against the 360
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#33 primitive013
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i waited 3 years for the ps3 price drop, just picked up my slim last night. it was a long wait.

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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"] Really? Name one notable exclusive the 360 has had this year? And remember the year is 3/4 of the way over. It must stink having to wait until Christmas for games.EmperorSupreme

You think somebody buying an XBOX 360 or PS3 slim for the first time are only concerned with a AAA title released this year? This is why the Cows are so dillusional in here you never think of real life in your responses you get to caught up in the fantasy that is SYSTEM WARS here at Cowspot.

Don't be angry at Cows, be angry at MS. Cows don't control if you have games or not

I am not angry at cows, it just seems pathetic that people who for the most part are somewhat educated could be so knowingly vapid on this subject. The AAA and AAAE's are fun here but the question is what will sell more and why in the real world. The answer is in the systems library of titles which currently is more attractive on XBOX 360 easy as that. The exclusives on PS3 have already shown that they sell poorly for example Infamous, Killzone 2, Uncharted. Good games with a poor return for Sony's bottom line, why is it that if you Cows here represent what Sony gamers are like in the real world that none of these exclusives have been true successes? HALO 3 sold more in a weekend than those three titles combined to date.

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possibly, but they r the same price so people are really doing comparisons, and things like RROD, "weaker" Graphics, and lack of an exclusive library really lean against the 360WadeFan
Honestly this is your answer?

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i waited 3 years for the ps3 price drop, just picked up my slim last night. it was a long wait.

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well worth it im assuming, and people like u are what Sony just won over to be honest
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[QUOTE="WadeFan"]possibly, but they r the same price so people are really doing comparisons, and things like RROD, "weaker" Graphics, and lack of an exclusive library really lean against the 360sexy_robot_man

Honestly this is your answer?

Honestly this is your reply?
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[QUOTE="WadeFan"]possibly, but they r the same price so people are really doing comparisons, and things like RROD, "weaker" Graphics, and lack of an exclusive library really lean against the 360WadeFan

Honestly this is your answer?

Honestly this is your reply?

:lol: you guys are lost man.

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I think 360 will continue outselling PS3. Well, according to sony fanboys the price was the only factor that helped 360. Im curious to see what will be the next excuse :P

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possibly, but they r the same price so people are really doing comparisons, and things like RROD, "weaker" Graphics, and lack of an exclusive library really lean against the 360WadeFan

Weaker graphics? Lack of an exclusive library?? Dude, you must be kidding!!

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#41 Odrec
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I think 360 will continue outselling PS3. Well, according to sony fanboys the price was the only factor that helped 360. Im curious to see what will be the next excuse :P

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Still the price. The Arcade and Pro models are cheaper than any PS3 out there.
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[QUOTE="WadeFan"][QUOTE="sexy_robot_man"]Honestly this is your answer?

sexy_robot_man

Honestly this is your reply?

:lol: you guys are lost man.

If you say so. But lets be honest here, the average consumer has known about RROD, they took a chance, because the PS3 was so expensive. The graphical powerhouses like Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, Metal Gear Solid 4, are all PS3 exlclusive. And the majority of people that you ask will say games like god of war III, Gran Turismo 5, and Ratchet and Clank are games that people want. Especially god of war, and GT5. Those games alone will sell consoles. I mean now you are comparing two $300 consoles. PS3 has better graphics, outlook on games, and especially hardware. Keeping in mind that PSN is free. Also, the 360 has "worse" graphics, '09 has been terrible in exclusives for them, and everyone knows about RROD. So i think the PS3 really has the upper hand now that its the same price
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#43 ermacness
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[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

[QUOTE="EmpCom"] Yet with all the extra features the ps3 has the slim and a price cut is still needed to try and catch upEmpCom

It's called a global recession. You might note that PS3 was outselling 360 the year before. And since when is a price cut a bad thing?

Who said it was a bad thing, what i am saying is look at what the ps3 gives free online,blu-ray,browser,built in wifi, its embarrasing for fanboys to keep making excuses when the 360 with all its faults is still ahead of the ps3. Well not anymore same price lots more features if sony cant catch up now every sony fan in here should hang there head in shame and never open their mouths about the 360 again

the 360 will still have an edge. They still have the cheaper 199.99 route unlike the ps3 which is 299.99 which ever way you wanna look at it. So if the 360 still outsell the ps3, cows don't need to hang their heads in shame

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The 360 will not outsell the PS3 any longer. The reason the 360 was slightly outselling the PS3 is that it was a cheaper console. Now that the PS3 is the same price and gives you much more for the money and there's a Slim version, there's absolutely no reason to believe the PS3 wont sell more.

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They are not the same price, you can still get an X360 for $199 if you want. But IMO there is no way the X360 has a chance to outsell the PS3 starting in Sept (and possibly Aug although Slims may not have enough inventory).
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#45 PAL360
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

I think 360 will continue outselling PS3. Well, according to sony fanboys the price was the only factor that helped 360. Im curious to see what will be the next excuse :P

Odrec

Still the price. The Arcade and Pro models are cheaper than any PS3 out there.

Sure. Im prepared to hear that one again ;)

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Short answer: yes

Long answer: hell yes.

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#47 ermacness
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[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

I think 360 will continue outselling PS3. Well, according to sony fanboys the price was the only factor that helped 360. Im curious to see what will be the next excuse :P

PAL360

Still the price. The Arcade and Pro models are cheaper than any PS3 out there.

Sure. Im prepared to hear that one again ;)

but it's the truth, no matter how you wanna spin it. What will be much more of an ownage deal is if the ps3 continuously outsell the 360 with that cheaper arcade sku on it's side

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#48 Odrec
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[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

I think 360 will continue outselling PS3. Well, according to sony fanboys the price was the only factor that helped 360. Im curious to see what will be the next excuse :P

PAL360

Still the price. The Arcade and Pro models are cheaper than any PS3 out there.

Sure. Im prepared to hear that one again ;)

Well that's obvoius, noone can't say it's not cheaper. The only way we can be sure if the price is not a relevant factor is if both the 360 and PS3 only had one verison at the same price. Or maybe we can compare the PS3 sales with only the 360 Elite sales?
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#49 PAL360
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="Odrec"] Still the price. The Arcade and Pro models are cheaper than any PS3 out there.ermacness

Sure. Im prepared to hear that one again ;)

but it's the truth, no matter how you wanna spin it. What will be much more of an ownage deal is if the ps3 continuously outsell the 360 with that cheaper arcade sku on it's side

I desagree. 360 has been outselling PS3 this gen, true. It doesnt change the fact that PS3 was supposed to destroy the competition this gen like it did last 2 ones.

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Probably not. (NA and UK)

Why ?

  • The 360'scheaper at the end of the day for the mas market
  • More popular games than playstationthis holiday - Halo , Forza , Left 4 Dead >>>> Uncharted , Ratchet
  • Mindshare/marketshare - more people already own them and more people will go with what their friends have , andpeople are talking their friends into XBL and 360s.

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