Hello. If you look at Oblivion and then you look at Skyrim on the same platform, it seems to be a big visual jump.
Are these first set of games for PS4 and XboxOne not really a good indication of what the powa they are capable of translating into visuals?
At the moment, all multiplats are cross gen ports, meaning that there the PS4 version is similar to the PC version in most cases, where the last gen consoles is running in low settings equivelent. However, already the PS4 exclusives such as Killzone SF, and Infamous SS have shown significant increases in their geometry over pervious gen titles of the same genre. We will see massive jumps.
This is an Uncharted 4 model leaked. They are said to have over 200,000 polygons. To think, Uncharted 3 had 30,000 polygons for character models. So now they have enough polygons to render each individual hair on his beard and head pretty much. And not just character models, but over all geometry of the levels will increase dramatically.
If the face alone has over 200,000 poly's the full bodies must be over a million, then add all the overall geometry of the levels! I shudder to think just what kind of performance a PS4 would push it out at, if one even could.
I'm not dissing the PS4, it's a decent amount of power for a low price, but first party developers with no interest in any other systems can't get their games to run at 1920 x 1080 and 60 fps.
Hello. If you look at Oblivion and then you look at Skyrim on the same platform, it seems to be a big visual jump.
Are these first set of games for PS4 and XboxOne not really a good indication of what the powa they are capable of translating into visuals?
At the moment, all multiplats are cross gen ports, meaning that there the PS4 version is similar to the PC version in most cases, where the last gen consoles is running in low settings equivelent. However, already the PS4 exclusives such as Killzone SF, and Infamous SS have shown significant increases in their geometry over pervious gen titles of the same genre. We will see massive jumps.
This is an Uncharted 4 model leaked. They are said to have over 200,000 polygons. To think, Uncharted 3 had 30,000 polygons for character models. So now they have enough polygons to render each individual hair on his beard and head pretty much. And not just character models, but over all geometry of the levels will increase dramatically.
If the face alone has over 200,000 poly's the full bodies must be over a million, then add all the overall geometry of the levels! I shudder to think just what kind of performance a PS4 would push it out at, if one even could.
I'm not dissing the PS4, it's a decent amount of power for a low price, but first party developers with no interest in any other systems can't get their games to run at 1920 x 1080 and 60 fps.
I was talking full character models. You are probably reffering to how a 7850 gpu performs on PC with current games. Fact is, KZSF already has more geometry than any other FPS. Take Crysis 3 on PC for example, while it has much better effects and textures than the console version, and arguably is some of the best graphics in games today, it still has the same character models, animations, geometry, and game code as the PS3/360 versions. This is an example of consoles holding PC's back. Killzone SF has noticably better geometry than Crysis 3, and character models, and animations etc. This is because it is not worrying about the PS3/360.
As for multiplats running at less than 1080p 60fps, these are unoptimized compared to a console exclusive which has all the development time in one system. They can focus more on the fundamentals of the game because of this.
KZSF usage of polygons for npc models is depending on distance, amount of NPC's on screen. While they claim 40k model/s its with only one model on screen within a few feet of you on screen. The developers created a complex method of adjusting polygons based on # of and distance. Having more polygons does not mean better results in quality overall when its normally is not rendered.
Look, I'm not looking for another argument with another 'know it all' hermit. Fact is, on all fully 8th gen games (including PC of course), geometry will increase over 7th gen games (even PC ports like Crysis 3). As for Killzone, source that all this 'cut down methods' went on please. And please do because no one ever likes to link to proof of this apart from their own 'speculation'. Basically, all i'm saying, is that for the same amount of distance rendered, Killzone SF beats out last gen FPS games in terms of polygon count. Really is it worth trying to correct people while not giving evidence? Also, you really think 40,000 poly models is the limit? Infamous SS has 120,000 polygon models in an open world game. There is arount 11 million polygons being rendered on average in the game (obviously not if you look up in the sky or something). Not saying PC games can't do this, which lets face it, is the only reason you were itching to post on me, because you thought I was getting 'too carried away' about PS4's capabilities. Why do you people feel the need to keep people in check all the time?. Fact is, as it stands, PC has no 8th gen games out there. I am simply saying that 8th Gen games across all platforms will increase in geometry (fundamental assets), by a long way over 7th Gen. Simple as.
Its not an argument about the increases of polygon counts from last gen to this gen. But once you hit a point having more polygons on models does not mean more detail. Its called diminishing returns, These consoles also cant run Tessellation to the degree as higher end gpu pc's too. With ISS its the same story as Killzone etc, Characters/environmental details usually have many levels LODs, which will vary in number of polygons/triangles according to the distance and locations they are viewed. which means you hardly ever see the full count all the time unless your in a cut scene or in an area where not much is there.
KIllzone ratios, and you can see, further the distance and more npcs the poly counts drop.
Its not an argument about the increases of polygon counts from last gen to this gen. But once you hit a point having more polygons on models does not mean more detail. Its called diminishing returns, These consoles also cant run Tessellation to the degree as higher end gpu pc's too. With ISS its the same story as Killzone etc, Characters/environmental details usually have many levels LODs, which will vary in number of polygons/triangles according to the distance and locations they are viewed. which means you hardly ever see the full count all the time unless your in a cut scene or in an area where not much is there.
KIllzone ratios, and you can see, further the distance and more npcs the poly counts drop.
Well I know that LOD's effect the amount of polygons on screen. But listen. I am not speaking of PS4 here, I am speaking of the 8th Generation in general. LOD's exist on all games (obviously), same with killzone, Crysis 3, all the way back to the PS1 days. All games npc's and poly counts drop the further away they are. But, I am simply reffering to the amount of polygons per distance rendered. And individual objects in game. Lets say a vase on a desk in a 7th gen game was composed of 500 polygons, on an 8th gen game, it might have 1,600 polygons. It's that simple. That's the detail I speak of.
The primary LOD's will increase in quality over time. But it's down to the developer to work on transitioning those LOD's and making them as seemless as possible. For instance, ISS actually only has 3 LOD's for each 3D object. The first LOD is very detailed mostly, but the second one is quite half arsed and looks blocky even to the average viewer. If they had more time and budget, they would have created more in between LOD's because it's easy to be buzzkilled when looking at those shitty LOD's while enjoying those graphics. However, regardless of this fact, ISS regularly renders over 11 million polygons to screen. This is because within the 100 meter radius, All objects (that are very detailed for an open world game), and the main character model, is all being rendered fully. Further than 100 meters away from your character, the secondary LOD's kick in. These are much lower resolution than the primary ones. But regardless, this often adds up to millions of polygons on screen (which is far beyond what the PS3/360 can do). It all depends on how the developer manages the LOD's.
My point is, polygon count, character models, animations, AI, physics, all this good stuff is going to improve vastly in the 8th generation over the 7th. Has done over all console generations. Of course it is reaching the diminishing returns mark, because a 60,000 polygon character to a 120,000 polygon character won't be as noticable as last gen increases because the polygons are so small now.
Speaking of diminishing returns. How about the time and budget it would take to get these ultra high fidelity visuals at a strong resolution and framerate. The way things went last generation with so many cutbacks and studios closing, i'm not sure that is worth the effort. A game like Killzone looks fantastic already and graphics should improve, but as stated the learning curve isn't there. I think we can only expect some combination of slightly better visuals, better resolutions, or better performance. But not all 3 for a given game
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