Will MGS4 pass Halo 3's Day One Sales?

(I am not against halo. I love Halo, and while I have never played the campaign significantly enough, I have spend hours playing this game with friends. I also enjoyed halo 1(xbox), while I still have the Halo 1 demo on my computer, and spent hours on that as well. Halo is a very great game, as are both of the titles mentioned in the title)

I will give my opinion, and my reason why I believe it can break Halo 3's day one, and first week record.

But first, let me share with you the current record that halo 3 set:

More than 10,000 retailers hosted Midnight Madness events to celebrate the launch of this third installment in the billion-dollar franchise. In New York, Seattle, Miami and Los Angeles, Microsoft and retail partners hosted marquee launch events that featured contests and appearances by local celebrities and professional athletes who are fanatical about the "Halo" franchise, including Ludacris and Zac Efron and Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates.

More than 1.7 million copies of "Halo 3" were preordered in the United States before a single store opened its doors at midnight, Sept. 25, making this the fasting pre-selling game in history, surpassing the previous record-setting pre-sales of "Halo 2." Well beyond just a U.S. phenomenon, the launch of "Halo 3" was a worldwide celebration that released in 37 countries and available in 17 languages. Halo 3 Current Record for sales on the first day

Now, I will state the reasoning behind my opinion:

• Nearly 1 million people tried to access the beta on day one(the reason for the delay). How many people preordered this game? I know some preordered this game for the sole purpose of participating in the beta. That does not change much, because who is to say that they wont buy the game anyways? Now, how many people preordered this game, and could not acces the beta at all, A.because they didnt have online B. were not informed about the beta (casuals. Yes some places did not bother to inform customers about it) or C. Didn't care to play the beta?
• How many people, out of the PS3 userbase (who already own PS3s) are going to run out and buy this game, immediately, who have not preordered this game yet?
• How many million people are waiting for this game, or the bundle, just to get their PS3?
• The xbox 360 had a fanbase slightly smaller, than that of the quickly growing PS3, as of the halo 3 release, compared to the MGS4 release. (360=11.6M/PS3=11.92M will likely reach 12 million by the release of MGS4). The Playstation brand, has , for the last 2 generations of the gaming industry, led the competing consoles in userbase dramatically. Meaning there are more people from the last gen, who are familiar with most of the "Epic" games that sony is known for, including the MGS series, than there are people from the last gen, who are fans of the "Epic" titles that the xbox was known for. In short, there were more MGS fans(and PS fans) going into this gen, than there were Halo fans (and Xbox fans) going into this gen.
• The Sony fanbase is still much, much larger than the Microsoft fanbase (Not talking about system sales). The Playstation brand, has a larger collection of "Epic" titles that are basically guarranteed to come to the current gen console. More people, who havent come into this gen yet are going to get this game, if they choose to go PS3 first, than people who choose 360 first, will buy Halo 3.
• With the short but growing userbase of the ps3, and the major hype level of this game, a greater percentage of the PS3 userbase, will own this game, rather than the very well established userbase ratio of Halo 3 owners (greater than 1:3).
• Halo: CE, and MGS2 are in the same position as Halo 3, and MGS4. Both of them are a leap in generation. But here (opinion) MGS4 has an advantage. MGS2 sales passed Halo:CE sales. every game in the MGS series, was a drastical improvement, and leap from the original. Both series have also had a game that got AA. MGS3 got AA rather than AAA because 1. it wasnt a true seqel, but instead a prequel, so there will be much more momentum to get the next one, the true sequel to MGS2, that fans have been waiting for for 7 years, and #2. because it had a bad camera. Halo 2, got AA, because even tho it was a sequel, it innovated nothing compared to what the first one did. MGS is also known for a MUCH stronger story. Halo 3 is a generation leap, but innovated nothing significant beyond this factor. Halo is also known for a very WEAK story, but gets replay value from its STRONG multiplayer. MGS4 will be known for its STRONG story that has more fans than halo 3's story, a generation leap, and will get replay vaule for its Multiplayer.
• MGS3 and MGPO both had very good multiplayer, in addition to their strong stories. Their online was very popular, and only increased the scores of both titles. MGO is that same online, but a MUCH stronger version of it, which was already popular to begin with, so many people's arguement of MGO being boring or weak (most are new to series, or are too used to COD4 to accurately appreciate it) is NULLIFIED by this fact. MGO will only increase the scores and sales of this title.
• MGS4 has a very good chance of getting a 10. Now, I believed that, Until GTAIV got a 10. Now that it did, I dont think they will give out another 10, but I still think there is a 50% chance. IGN, who was the first to play the entire MGS4 game all the way through (actually, the latest build), had nothing but praise for the game. The way they talked about this game, I honestly expected them to give this game a 10. I have observed GS on ranking GTAIV. I think they waited for everyone else to rate this game, so that they could more accurately give their raiting. So, if IGN finds nothing wrong with this game, and it excells in all areas, they find no fault in it whatsoever, then the game will get a 10 on IGN. I think if the game gets a 10 on IGN, then everyone else will give it a 10, and GS will be dead last to review, and they will be more pressured into a 10 for this game. A repeat of the GTA4 situation. If this game gets a 10, then this will increase sales drastically.

And that concludes my reasons as to why I believe MGS4 will pass halo 3's day one sales. But I do think that it will pass its 1st week sales, or the total sales, even if it doesnt.

DISCUSS

It might.

If Sony goes ALL out like MS did.

They just have to present it as 'cool' and 'awesome'

Curse you Old Man Snake!

The one they might do this for is Resistance 2, as that has more 'cool' in it. Or Killzone 2.

it'll never pass halo 3 sales...

i see MGS4 doing about the same as MGS2 which is ALOT of copies but not quite halo 3 sales, and it doesn't even have a shot at Halo 3s first day sales.

The majority of casuals dont like games that you have to use your braincells so no :P But seriously, most casuals arent willing to spend the time to understand MGS because if they did, we could hardly consider them casuals anymore. Casuals are the type of guys who buy GTAIV and never actually beat the game, instead they just drive around and shoot stuff and maybe do 1 mission here and there.II_Seraphim_II

wow.... what an odd veiw of reality....

Why do people give this game Almost Impossible goals?

No, just no. MGS4 will not surpass Halo 3's one day sales. Didn't Halo 3 surpass MGS3 lifetime sales in one week?AvIdGaMeR444

If you actually read before posting, then you will see that alot of MGS fans were interested in this game because it was a prequel. also, you are comparing a generation leap title, to a second incarnation of a former generation. Look at Gran turismo for the ps1= 10.85M, then GT2 (same gen): 9.37M, now GT3(gen leap): 14.87M, then GT4(same gen): 8.85M. Do you see a pattern? now, look at MGS1=5.86M. MGS2(gen leap)=7M(not from V chartz), MGS3: 4.43M.

oh, and on the scores, MGS3: subsistence got a 9.0 score , higher than halo 2, which lems like to ignore. it fixed the only problem the game had...the camera lol.

MGS= 8.5, MGS2:9.7, MGS3:9.0(see above). so I dont see where lems get their arguement "Teh last game onle got AA"

The majority of casuals dont like games that you have to use your braincells so no :P But seriously, most casuals arent willing to spend the time to understand MGS because if they did, we could hardly consider them casuals anymore. Casuals are the type of guys who buy GTAIV and never actually beat the game, instead they just drive around and shoot stuff and maybe do 1 mission here and there.II_Seraphim_II

actually, this game is branching out, by making it open to the "frat boy FPS enthusiasts", as you can play it like many of the popular FPS games to date.

It wont be even close. It may get up there in lifetime sales, but no game this generation is going to break Halo's record.whocares4peace

GTA4?

ok heres a test, go up to your adverage guy in the street, ask if he will buy MGS4. he'll ask waht the hell that is. before halo 3 came uot even my mom had heard of it. there is the difference. thegoldenpoo

I love MGS 4 just as much as the next guy, but Halo 3 is a tank. Games don't just go around beating its day one sales.PS2_ROCKS

GTA does.

[QUOTE="whocares4peace"]It wont be even close. It may get up there in lifetime sales, but no game this generation is going to break Halo's record.Pietrooper

GTA4?

But of course it'll outsell the game over a longer period.

As long as it makes one sale I'll be happy

That sale will be my copy :D

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"]No, just no. MGS4 will not surpass Halo 3's one day sales. Didn't Halo 3 surpass MGS3 lifetime sales in one week?armymen4

If you actually read before posting, then you will see that alot of MGS fans were interested in this game because it was a prequel. also, you are comparing a generation leap title, to a second incarnation of a former generation. Look at Gran turismo for the ps1= 10.85M, then GT2 (same gen): 9.37M, now GT3(gen leap): 14.87M, then GT4(same gen): 8.85M. Do you see a pattern? now, look at MGS1=5.86M. MGS2(gen leap)=7M(not from V chartz), MGS3: 4.43M.

oh, and on the scores, MGS3: subsistence got a 9.0 score , higher than halo 2, which lems like to ignore. it fixed the only problem the game had...the camera lol.

MGS= 8.5, MGS2:9.7, MGS3:9.0(see above). so I dont see where lems get their arguement "Teh last game onle got AA"

That's fine and dandy and all...but it still doesn't explain how MGS4 could possibly surpass Halo3's 1 day sales...

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]I love MGS 4 just as much as the next guy, but Halo 3 is a tank. Games don't just go around beating its day one sales.Pietrooper

GTA does.

I guess I should have said very few games beat its day one sales.

(I am not against halo. I love Halo, and while I have never played the campaign significantly enough, I have spend hours playing this game with friends. I also enjoyed halo 1(xbox), while I still have the Halo 1 demo on my computer, and spent hours on that as well. Halo is a very great game, as are both of the titles mentioned in the title)

I will give my opinion, and my reason why I believe it can break Halo 3's day one, and first week record.

But first, let me share with you the current record that halo 3 set:

[quote="Halo 3 Current Record for sales on the first day"]

More than 10,000 retailers hosted Midnight Madness events to celebrate the launch of this third installment in the billion-dollar franchise. In New York, Seattle, Miami and Los Angeles, Microsoft and retail partners hosted marquee launch events that featured contests and appearances by local celebrities and professional athletes who are fanatical about the "Halo" franchise, including Ludacris and Zac Efron and Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates.

More than 1.7 million copies of "Halo 3" were preordered in the United States before a single store opened its doors at midnight, Sept. 25, making this the fasting pre-selling game in history, surpassing the previous record-setting pre-sales of "Halo 2." Well beyond just a U.S. phenomenon, the launch of "Halo 3" was a worldwide celebration that released in 37 countries and available in 17 languages. armymen4

Now, I will state the reasoning behind my opinion:

• Nearly 1 million people tried to access the beta on day one(the reason for the delay). How many people preordered this game? I know some preordered this game for the sole purpose of participating in the beta. That does not change much, because who is to say that they wont buy the game anyways? Now, how many people preordered this game, and could not acces the beta at all, A.because they didnt have online B. were not informed about the beta (casuals. Yes some places did not bother to inform customers about it) or C. Didn't care to play the beta?
• How many people, out of the PS3 userbase (who already own PS3s) are going to run out and buy this game, immediately, who have not preordered this game yet?
• How many million people are waiting for this game, or the bundle, just to get their PS3?
• The xbox 360 had a fanbase slightly smaller, than that of the quickly growing PS3, as of the halo 3 release, compared to the MGS4 release. (360=11.6M/PS3=11.92M will likely reach 12 million by the release of MGS4). The Playstation brand, has , for the last 2 generations of the gaming industry, led the competing consoles in userbase dramatically. Meaning there are more people from the last gen, who are familiar with most of the "Epic" games that sony is known for, including the MGS series, than there are people from the last gen, who are fans of the "Epic" titles that the xbox was known for. In short, there were more MGS fans(and PS fans) going into this gen, than there were Halo fans (and Xbox fans) going into this gen.
• The Sony fanbase is still much, much larger than the Microsoft fanbase (Not talking about system sales). The Playstation brand, has a larger collection of "Epic" titles that are basically guarranteed to come to the current gen console. More people, who havent come into this gen yet are going to get this game, if they choose to go PS3 first, than people who choose 360 first, will buy Halo 3.
• With the short but growing userbase of the ps3, and the major hype level of this game, a greater percentage of the PS3 userbase, will own this game, rather than the very well established userbase ratio of Halo 3 owners (greater than 1:3).
• Halo: CE, and MGS2 are in the same position as Halo 3, and MGS4. Both of them are a leap in generation. But here (opinion) MGS4 has an advantage. MGS2 sales passed Halo:CE sales. every game in the MGS series, was a drastical improvement, and leap from the original. Both series have also had a game that got AA. MGS3 got AA rather than AAA because 1. it wasnt a true seqel, but instead a prequel, so there will be much more momentum to get the next one, the true sequel to MGS2, that fans have been waiting for for 7 years, and #2. because it had a bad camera. Halo 2, got AA, because even tho it was a sequel, it innovated nothing compared to what the first one did. MGS is also known for a MUCH stronger story. Halo 3 is a generation leap, but innovated nothing significant beyond this factor. Halo is also known for a very WEAK story, but gets replay value from its STRONG multiplayer. MGS4 will be known for its STRONG story that has more fans than halo 3's story, a generation leap, and will get replay vaule for its Multiplayer.
• MGS3 and MGPO both had very good multiplayer, in addition to their strong stories. Their online was very popular, and only increased the scores of both titles. MGO is that same online, but a MUCH stronger version of it, which was already popular to begin with, so many people's arguement of MGO being boring or weak (most are new to series, or are too used to COD4 to accurately appreciate it) is NULLIFIED by this fact. MGO will only increase the scores and sales of this title.
• MGS4 has a very good chance of getting a 10. Now, I believed that, Until GTAIV got a 10. Now that it did, I dont think they will give out another 10, but I still think there is a 50% chance. IGN, who was the first to play the entire MGS4 game all the way through (actually, the latest build), had nothing but praise for the game. The way they talked about this game, I honestly expected them to give this game a 10. I have observed GS on ranking GTAIV. I think they waited for everyone else to rate this game, so that they could more accurately give their raiting. So, if IGN finds nothing wrong with this game, and it excells in all areas, they find no fault in it whatsoever, then the game will get a 10 on IGN. I think if the game gets a 10 on IGN, then everyone else will give it a 10, and GS will be dead last to review, and they will be more pressured into a 10 for this game. A repeat of the GTA4 situation. If this game gets a 10, then this will increase sales drastically.

And that concludes my reasons as to why I believe MGS4 will pass halo 3's day one sales. But I do think that it will pass its 1st week sales, or the total sales, even if it doesnt.

DISCUSS

I could dispute so much here but Im not even bothering. Ill just point out that MGS3 sold only 3.5 million with a user base of 120 million. MGS2 sold around 6 mil with a much smaller user base so the indication here is that not only is interest for the stealth genre declining but also for that game in particular.

SO anyways if the last game sells 3.5 mil out of a possible 120 mil people how much will 4 sell when there are only around 8-10 ps3's on the market?

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]I love MGS 4 just as much as the next guy, but Halo 3 is a tank. Games don't just go around beating its day one sales.Pietrooper

GTA does.

GTA is multiplat and also lightyears more fun and clever then MGS ever was.

[QUOTE="Pietrooper"]

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]I love MGS 4 just as much as the next guy, but Halo 3 is a tank. Games don't just go around beating its day one sales.L1qu1dSword

GTA does.

GTA is multiplat and also lightyears more fun and clever then MGS ever was.

Do you make it your life goal to bash MGS?

At least MGS had a clarible story and fun and clever gameplay unlike a certain GeoW :|

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="Pietrooper"]

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]I love MGS 4 just as much as the next guy, but Halo 3 is a tank. Games don't just go around beating its day one sales.Pietrooper

GTA does.

GTA is multiplat and also lightyears more fun and clever then MGS ever was.

Do you make it your life goal to bash MGS?

At least MGS had a clarible story and fun and clever gameplay unlike a certain GeoW :|

:lol: WTF

[QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="Pietrooper"]

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]I love MGS 4 just as much as the next guy, but Halo 3 is a tank. Games don't just go around beating its day one sales.Pietrooper

GTA does.

GTA is multiplat and also lightyears more fun and clever then MGS ever was.

Do you make it your life goal to bash MGS?

At least MGS had a clarible story and fun and clever gameplay unlike a certain GeoW :|

no neither do i make it my goal to defend Gears so give up on that angle lol :) WTF does "clarible" mean? I think Terrible is the word you were looking for. Nothing in the story of Gears made me stand up and say WTF this story is awful. Sorry but Id prefer a good story that skimped on details then a horrible one that gave you every intimate awful detail.

Snake is old and decrepit and so is the series.

[QUOTE="Pietrooper"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="Pietrooper"]

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]I love MGS 4 just as much as the next guy, but Halo 3 is a tank. Games don't just go around beating its day one sales.L1qu1dSword

GTA does.

GTA is multiplat and also lightyears more fun and clever then MGS ever was.

Do you make it your life goal to bash MGS?

At least MGS had a clarible story and fun and clever gameplay unlike a certain GeoW :|

no neither do i make it my goal to defend Gears so give up on that angle lol :) WTF does "clarible" mean? I think Terrible is the word you were looking for. Nothing in the story of Gears made me stand up and say WTF this story is awful. Sorry but Id prefer a good story that skimped on details then a horrible one that gave you every intimate awful detail.

Snake is old and decrepit and so is the series.

No, the series is fresh, refreshing and for the last two generations has personally defined them.

[QUOTE="whocares4peace"]It wont be even close. It may get up there in lifetime sales, but no game this generation is going to break Halo's record.Pietrooper

GTA4?

Sadly GTA 4 will break it.

I bought it at midnight, I might trade it in and put it towards my MGS 4 reserve and maybe pick up GTA SA.

[QUOTE="Pietrooper"]

[QUOTE="whocares4peace"]It wont be even close. It may get up there in lifetime sales, but no game this generation is going to break Halo's record.kool-aids

GTA4?

Sadly GTA 4 will break it.

I bought it at midnight, I might trade it in and put it towards my MGS 4 reserve and maybe pick up GTA SA.

God, no! *slaps*

GTA4 is the one the best games this year, don't take it back.

Halo Wars will probably sell more then MGS4..user_nat

Doubt it. I gaurantee MGS4 will sell somewhere in the region of 4->5 million.

Even the name Halo won't get that much when Halo 3 hasn't sold 8 million yet. Or has it? Some sources say 7.8ish million :|

[QUOTE="user_nat"]Halo Wars will probably sell more then MGS4..Pietrooper

Doubt it. I gaurantee MGS4 will sell somewhere in the region of 4->5 million.

Even the name Halo won't get that much when Halo 3 hasn't sold 8 million yet. Or has it? Some sources say 7.8ish million :|

Who knows? Maybe Halo Wars will turn out to be say...SW:Empire at War level of good.(8.0-8.5)

[QUOTE="Pietrooper"][QUOTE="L1qu1dSword"][QUOTE="Pietrooper"]

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]I love MGS 4 just as much as the next guy, but Halo 3 is a tank. Games don't just go around beating its day one sales.L1qu1dSword

GTA does.

GTA is multiplat and also lightyears more fun and clever then MGS ever was.

Do you make it your life goal to bash MGS?

At least MGS had a clarible story and fun and clever gameplay unlike a certain GeoW :|

no neither do i make it my goal to defend Gears so give up on that angle lol :) WTF does "clarible" mean? I think Terrible is the word you were looking for. Nothing in the story of Gears made me stand up and say WTF this story is awful. Sorry but Id prefer a good story that skimped on details then a horrible one that gave you every intimate awful detail.

Snake is old and decrepit and so is the series.

No offence, but you do bash this game alot, so I have to agree with pietrooper. Many Many people dissagree with you. it also seems that you dont know anything about the series, so when you talk about snake , and the series both being old, it shows how little you know about it. But, im not gonna attack you on it, because everyone has opinions. Hell, I could say "Halo is the worst game on the face of the earth" and not only would I be lying, but the majority of the gaming world dissagrees with you.

anyways, Tell me what Gears of war innovated....tell me what gears of war did to the FPS genre, besides being the first game to make you **** your pants because of its visuals (which have already been outdone)? The visual capabilites this generation are old news now. Gears 2 is most likely gonna be in the 8s, and anything beyond that is wishful thinking. They arent innovating anything for their next game either, besides 1 more player online, and small physics.

Now, what is MGS4 innovating? Everything. The entire series has innovated. metal gear created the entire stealth genre, and every single game has been a HUGE leap from the next. The game lets you interact alot more in the story, and the environment. What does GEARS 2 do? It lets you runn around, shoot people, do everything you did in the first with new weapons, and the exact same game. It also has an incredibly weak story. Oh, and I forgot, guess who INVENTED your precious cover system for GEARS? None other than Hideo Kojima.