Will nintendo's plan backfire?

I know Sony and Nintendo are different, but just think about it. PSP is doing bad not because of quality games, but because the games are console games on a handheld. The wii is basically getting ds games on a console. That is not really a bad thing because it is good to play quality games, but people might have the same feelings towards the wii as they do towards the psp. People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30. Wii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one. The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario. There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that. Only nintendo fanboys seem to think that there is nothing wrong with the games coming out for it. I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. Microsoft learned this, Sony knows this, and Nintendo seems like they are trying to reach out, but not trying hard enough.

They are reaching out , but they are just not reaching out to us. The are pimping the Wii-whatever-line for the casuals to win it.


Nike_Air

They are reaching out , but they are just not reaching out to us. The are pimping the Wii-whatever-line for the casuals to win it.


Nike_Air

what new ip u talking about? project hammer? disaster? AsadMahdi59

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]They are reaching out , but they are just not reaching out to us. The are pimping the Wii-whatever-line for the casuals to win it.


SkateGame

I don't see Wii being as big as a success as the DS but I think because of its cheap price it will sell well to non gamers...

I still think about 35 million will be sold in the end, which is a pretty good effort in my view.
the-very-best

Will nintendo's plan backfire?too_much_eslim

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]I don't see Wii being as big as a success as the DS but I think because of its cheap price it will sell well to non gamers...

I still think about 35 million will be sold in the end, which is a pretty good effort in my view.
camzaman

Lets break this down

The wii is basically getting ds games on a console.

I want you to show me a game on the DS that can be compared to Farcry, CoD, Zelda, mario Galaxy, Smash Bros Melee, Metroid Prime 3, MoH: Vangard, SSX or any of the other hardcore games on Wii.

People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30.

Again tell me which of these games is on the DS? Look at mario galaxy or metroid 3, unless the DS is more powerful then the GC, in  which case I dunno why anyone is buying the PSP, I have no idea how your argument here even makes sence.

Wii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one.

Yeah, and so does the PS3 but it's doing even worse. It's called launch, the 360 has been out for a year, give the Wii and PS3 time and they'll no doubt kick back with better titles. We already know that there's a whole heap of greatness comming up, check my list on the first point.

The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)

Firstly, I don't give a crap if the characters in the game are already popular, they're great characters, and smash bros is arguably one of the greatest fighter's available (especially for multiplayer). The games on a Nintendo console are also not the same, and if you think about it, Nintendo has developed over 50 ip's (check list on wikipedia). At the moment the ones they are using are Metroid, mario, Pikmin, Zelda, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, Donkey Kong, F-Zero and pokemon. There's no doubt ones I'm missing, Smash bros should be it's own IP really. Note in the GC generation, we had the resurection of Metroid, and creation of Pikmin and batallion wars series. Really, the new IP's Nintendo created in that generation alone, is more then what Microsoft and Sony have developed in thier whole career. I fail to see the problem. microsoft and Sony especially rely on third parties, and yet, Nintendo now has more third party support then Sony and third party software is also selling better on Nintendo's console.

Look here: http://au.wii.ign.com/articles/764/764835p1.html

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario.

I think we just established that they're not. Infact, they only release 2 games per generation (5 years) in both the Zelda and Metroid franchises, and only one from the Mario franchise. I would hardly call that "relying on".

There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that.

I think you may be refering to a third party game... Nintendo doesn't really control what third parties release.

I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. Microsoft learned this, Sony knows this.

Then why is it that there's no first party Sony made series at all thats really publicly known, and the only one that Microsoft has is Halo?

I know Sony and Nintendo are different, but just think about it. Duh.PSP is doing bad not because of quality games, but because the games are console games on a handheld. That's backwards, they have horrible games and lousy portsThe wii is basically getting ds games on a console.  Listen to yourself that's worng. DS=2 screens, handheldThat is not really a bad thing because it is good to play quality games, but people might have the same feelings towards the wii as they do towards the psp. Another weird quote. When will you get smart?People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30. Okay, now you're getting weird. That is horribly, horribly wrongWii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one. It's called 'post-launch'The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Okay, this is getting patheitic Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)Listen to yourself, Nintendo's making new IP's! They just aren't as established as the big ones like Mario, Zelda or Metroid.

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario.They do rely on more.  There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that.OK... Only nintendo fanboys seem to think that there is nothing wrong with the games coming out for it. Look, It's just post-launch. It's slow. But you're a PC gamer, and you don't know what a 'launch' is I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. What if every game was like that? You can't have bothMicrosoft learned this, Sony knows this, and Nintendo seems like they are trying to reach out, but not trying hard enough. Then why does Microsoft have only Halo(which is now an ip) and Sony tries to have one but doesn't? Explain yourself

too_much_eslim

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

I know Sony and Nintendo are different, but just think about it. Duh.PSP is doing bad not because of quality games, but because the games are console games on a handheld. That's backwards, they have horrible games and lousy portsThe wii is basically getting ds games on a console.  Listen to yourself that's worng. DS=2 screens, handheldThat is not really a bad thing because it is good to play quality games, but people might have the same feelings towards the wii as they do towards the psp. Another weird quote. When will you get smart?People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30. Okay, now you're getting weird. That is horribly, horribly wrongWii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one. It's called 'post-launch'The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Okay, this is getting patheitic Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)Listen to yourself, Nintendo's making new IP's! They just aren't as established as the big ones like Mario, Zelda or Metroid.

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario.They do rely on more.  There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that.OK... Only nintendo fanboys seem to think that there is nothing wrong with the games coming out for it. Look, It's just post-launch. It's slow. But you're a PC gamer, and you don't know what a 'launch' is I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. What if every game was like that? You can't have bothMicrosoft learned this, Sony knows this, and Nintendo seems like they are trying to reach out, but not trying hard enough. Then why does Microsoft have only Halo(which is now an ip) and Sony tries to have one but doesn't? Explain yourself

GEMINI_CYBORG

Umm I hate pc gaming. I do not hate nintendo. I am a zelda fan, ssb fan, and a mario kart fan, but these are the only games from nintendo I'm a die hard fan of.

[QUOTE="GEMINI_CYBORG"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

I know Sony and Nintendo are different, but just think about it. Duh.PSP is doing bad not because of quality games, but because the games are console games on a handheld. That's backwards, they have horrible games and lousy portsThe wii is basically getting ds games on a console. Listen to yourself that's worng. DS=2 screens, handheldThat is not really a bad thing because it is good to play quality games, but people might have the same feelings towards the wii as they do towards the psp. Another weird quote. When will you get smart?People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30. Okay, now you're getting weird. That is horribly, horribly wrongWii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one. It's called 'post-launch'The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Okay, this is getting patheitic Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)Listen to yourself, Nintendo's making new IP's! They just aren't as established as the big ones like Mario, Zelda or Metroid.

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario.They do rely on more. There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that.OK... Only nintendo fanboys seem to think that there is nothing wrong with the games coming out for it. Look, It's just post-launch. It's slow. But you're a PC gamer, and you don't know what a 'launch' is I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. What if every game was like that? You can't have bothMicrosoft learned this, Sony knows this, and Nintendo seems like they are trying to reach out, but not trying hard enough. Then why does Microsoft have only Halo(which is now an ip) and Sony tries to have one but doesn't? Explain yourself

too_much_eslim

Umm I hate pc gaming. I do not hate nintendo. I am a zelda fan, ssb fan, and a mario kart fan, but these are the only games from nintendo I'm a die hard fan of.

Lets break this down

The wii is basically getting ds games on a console.

I want you to show me a game on the DS that can be compared to Farcry, CoD, Zelda, mario Galaxy, Smash Bros Melee, Metroid Prime 3, MoH: Vangard, SSX or any of the other hardcore games on Wii.

People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30.

Again tell me which of these games is on the DS? Look at mario galaxy or metroid 3, unless the DS is more powerful then the GC, in  which case I dunno why anyone is buying the PSP, I have no idea how your argument here even makes sence.

Wii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one.

Yeah, and so does the PS3 but it's doing even worse. It's called launch, the 360 has been out for a year, give the Wii and PS3 time and they'll no doubt kick back with better titles. We already know that there's a whole heap of greatness comming up, check my list on the first point.

The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)

Firstly, I don't give a crap if the characters in the game are already popular, they're great characters, and smash bros is arguably one of the greatest fighter's available (especially for multiplayer). The games on a Nintendo console are also not the same, and if you think about it, Nintendo has developed over 50 ip's (check list on wikipedia). At the moment the ones they are using are Metroid, mario, Pikmin, Zelda, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, Donkey Kong, F-Zero and pokemon. There's no doubt ones I'm missing, Smash bros should be it's own IP really. Note in the GC generation, we had the resurection of Metroid, and creation of Pikmin and batallion wars series. Really, the new IP's Nintendo created in that generation alone, is more then what Microsoft and Sony have developed in thier whole career. I fail to see the problem. microsoft and Sony especially rely on third parties, and yet, Nintendo now has more third party support then Sony and third party software is also selling better on Nintendo's console.

Look here: http://au.wii.ign.com/articles/764/764835p1.html

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario.

I think we just established that they're not. Infact, they only release 2 games per generation (5 years) in both the Zelda and Metroid franchises, and only one from the Mario franchise. I would hardly call that "relying on".

There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that.

I think you may be refering to a third party game... Nintendo doesn't really control what third parties release.

I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. Microsoft learned this, Sony knows this.

Then why is it that there's no first party Sony made series at all thats really publicly known, and the only one that Microsoft has is Halo?

DriftRS

Wow I thought God of War, GT, and Socom are good. Also there is Halo, Gears, Fable, and Forza.

I know Sony and Nintendo are different, but just think about it. PSP is doing bad not because of quality games, but because the games are console games on a handheld. The wii is basically getting ds games on a console. That is not really a bad thing because it is good to play quality games, but people might have the same feelings towards the wii as they do towards the psp. People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30. Wii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one. The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario. There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that. Only nintendo fanboys seem to think that there is nothing wrong with the games coming out for it. I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. Microsoft learned this, Sony knows this, and Nintendo seems like they are trying to reach out, but not trying hard enough.

too_much_eslim

Sorry, I didn't read any of what you wrote as I can't be bothered Lol. but I must say, that i disagree with everything you said.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="GEMINI_CYBORG"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

I know Sony and Nintendo are different, but just think about it. Duh.PSP is doing bad not because of quality games, but because the games are console games on a handheld. That's backwards, they have horrible games and lousy portsThe wii is basically getting ds games on a console. Listen to yourself that's worng. DS=2 screens, handheldThat is not really a bad thing because it is good to play quality games, but people might have the same feelings towards the wii as they do towards the psp. Another weird quote. When will you get smart?People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30. Okay, now you're getting weird. That is horribly, horribly wrongWii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one. It's called 'post-launch'The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Okay, this is getting patheitic Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)Listen to yourself, Nintendo's making new IP's! They just aren't as established as the big ones like Mario, Zelda or Metroid.

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario.They do rely on more. There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that.OK... Only nintendo fanboys seem to think that there is nothing wrong with the games coming out for it. Look, It's just post-launch. It's slow. But you're a PC gamer, and you don't know what a 'launch' is I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. What if every game was like that? You can't have bothMicrosoft learned this, Sony knows this, and Nintendo seems like they are trying to reach out, but not trying hard enough. Then why does Microsoft have only Halo(which is now an ip) and Sony tries to have one but doesn't? Explain yourself

GEMINI_CYBORG

Umm I hate pc gaming. I do not hate nintendo. I am a zelda fan, ssb fan, and a mario kart fan, but these are the only games from nintendo I'm a die hard fan of.

Wow you make no sense. I'm never was a nintendo fan. I am a gaming fan. If there are good games I play the system. Obviously I will get a wii because it has 3 of my all time favorite games, but I want to play something else besides those games. My cube did nothing, but collects dust until TP came out.

[QUOTE="DriftRS"]

Lets break this down

The wii is basically getting ds games on a console.

I want you to show me a game on the DS that can be compared to Farcry, CoD, Zelda, mario Galaxy, Smash Bros Melee, Metroid Prime 3, MoH: Vangard, SSX or any of the other hardcore games on Wii.

People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30.

Again tell me which of these games is on the DS? Look at mario galaxy or metroid 3, unless the DS is more powerful then the GC, in  which case I dunno why anyone is buying the PSP, I have no idea how your argument here even makes sence.

Wii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one.

Yeah, and so does the PS3 but it's doing even worse. It's called launch, the 360 has been out for a year, give the Wii and PS3 time and they'll no doubt kick back with better titles. We already know that there's a whole heap of greatness comming up, check my list on the first point.

The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)

Firstly, I don't give a crap if the characters in the game are already popular, they're great characters, and smash bros is arguably one of the greatest fighter's available (especially for multiplayer). The games on a Nintendo console are also not the same, and if you think about it, Nintendo has developed over 50 ip's (check list on wikipedia). At the moment the ones they are using are Metroid, mario, Pikmin, Zelda, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, Donkey Kong, F-Zero and pokemon. There's no doubt ones I'm missing, Smash bros should be it's own IP really. Note in the GC generation, we had the resurection of Metroid, and creation of Pikmin and batallion wars series. Really, the new IP's Nintendo created in that generation alone, is more then what Microsoft and Sony have developed in thier whole career. I fail to see the problem. microsoft and Sony especially rely on third parties, and yet, Nintendo now has more third party support then Sony and third party software is also selling better on Nintendo's console.

Look here: http://au.wii.ign.com/articles/764/764835p1.html

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario.

I think we just established that they're not. Infact, they only release 2 games per generation (5 years) in both the Zelda and Metroid franchises, and only one from the Mario franchise. I would hardly call that "relying on".

There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that.

I think you may be refering to a third party game... Nintendo doesn't really control what third parties release.

I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. Microsoft learned this, Sony knows this.

Then why is it that there's no first party Sony made series at all thats really publicly known, and the only one that Microsoft has is Halo?

too_much_eslim

Wow I thought God of War, GT, and Socom are good. Also there is Halo, Gears, Fable, and Forza.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

I know Sony and Nintendo are different, but just think about it. PSP is doing bad not because of quality games, but because the games are console games on a handheld. The wii is basically getting ds games on a console. That is not really a bad thing because it is good to play quality games, but people might have the same feelings towards the wii as they do towards the psp. People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30. Wii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one. The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario. There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that. Only nintendo fanboys seem to think that there is nothing wrong with the games coming out for it. I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. Microsoft learned this, Sony knows this, and Nintendo seems like they are trying to reach out, but not trying hard enough.

XenoNinja

Sorry, I didn't read any of what you wrote as I can't be bothered Lol. but I must say, that i disagree with everything you said.

So since you didn't read, you don't think Nintendo is going to last long?

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

I know Sony and Nintendo are different, but just think about it. PSP is doing bad not because of quality games, but because the games are console games on a handheld. The wii is basically getting ds games on a console. That is not really a bad thing because it is good to play quality games, but people might have the same feelings towards the wii as they do towards the psp. People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30. Wii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one. The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario. There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that. Only nintendo fanboys seem to think that there is nothing wrong with the games coming out for it. I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. Microsoft learned this, Sony knows this, and Nintendo seems like they are trying to reach out, but not trying hard enough.

XenoNinja

Sorry, I didn't read any of what you wrote as I can't be bothered Lol. but I must say, that i disagree with everything you said.

So what you're saying is...you don't like him, regardless of his points?

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="DriftRS"]

Lets break this down

The wii is basically getting ds games on a console.

I want you to show me a game on the DS that can be compared to Farcry, CoD, Zelda, mario Galaxy, Smash Bros Melee, Metroid Prime 3, MoH: Vangard, SSX or any of the other hardcore games on Wii.

People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30.

Again tell me which of these games is on the DS? Look at mario galaxy or metroid 3, unless the DS is more powerful then the GC, in  which case I dunno why anyone is buying the PSP, I have no idea how your argument here even makes sence.

Wii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one.

Yeah, and so does the PS3 but it's doing even worse. It's called launch, the 360 has been out for a year, give the Wii and PS3 time and they'll no doubt kick back with better titles. We already know that there's a whole heap of greatness comming up, check my list on the first point.

The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)

Firstly, I don't give a crap if the characters in the game are already popular, they're great characters, and smash bros is arguably one of the greatest fighter's available (especially for multiplayer). The games on a Nintendo console are also not the same, and if you think about it, Nintendo has developed over 50 ip's (check list on wikipedia). At the moment the ones they are using are Metroid, mario, Pikmin, Zelda, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, Donkey Kong, F-Zero and pokemon. There's no doubt ones I'm missing, Smash bros should be it's own IP really. Note in the GC generation, we had the resurection of Metroid, and creation of Pikmin and batallion wars series. Really, the new IP's Nintendo created in that generation alone, is more then what Microsoft and Sony have developed in thier whole career. I fail to see the problem. microsoft and Sony especially rely on third parties, and yet, Nintendo now has more third party support then Sony and third party software is also selling better on Nintendo's console.

Look here: http://au.wii.ign.com/articles/764/764835p1.html

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario.

I think we just established that they're not. Infact, they only release 2 games per generation (5 years) in both the Zelda and Metroid franchises, and only one from the Mario franchise. I would hardly call that "relying on".

There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that.

I think you may be refering to a third party game... Nintendo doesn't really control what third parties release.

I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. Microsoft learned this, Sony knows this.

Then why is it that there's no first party Sony made series at all thats really publicly known, and the only one that Microsoft has is Halo?

Zaistev_basic

Wow I thought God of War, GT, and Socom are good. Also there is Halo, Gears, Fable, and Forza.

I don't care about sales. I care about games. Every system I loved did poor in sales so trust me I don't care about that. It is all about the games. The wii really lack the games that will keep me interested next year; let alone the next five years.

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

I know Sony and Nintendo are different, but just think about it. PSP is doing bad not because of quality games, but because the games are console games on a handheld. The wii is basically getting ds games on a console. That is not really a bad thing because it is good to play quality games, but people might have the same feelings towards the wii as they do towards the psp. People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30. Wii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one. The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario. There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that. Only nintendo fanboys seem to think that there is nothing wrong with the games coming out for it. I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. Microsoft learned this, Sony knows this, and Nintendo seems like they are trying to reach out, but not trying hard enough.

too_much_eslim

Sorry, I didn't read any of what you wrote as I can't be bothered Lol. but I must say, that i disagree with everything you said.

So since you didn't read, you don't think Nintendo is going to last long?

Oh, is that what you said. well then, I agree with everything you said Lol.

[QUOTE="Zaistev_basic"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="DriftRS"]

Lets break this down

The wii is basically getting ds games on a console.

I want you to show me a game on the DS that can be compared to Farcry, CoD, Zelda, mario Galaxy, Smash Bros Melee, Metroid Prime 3, MoH: Vangard, SSX or any of the other hardcore games on Wii.

People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30.

Again tell me which of these games is on the DS? Look at mario galaxy or metroid 3, unless the DS is more powerful then the GC, in  which case I dunno why anyone is buying the PSP, I have no idea how your argument here even makes sence.

Wii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one.

Yeah, and so does the PS3 but it's doing even worse. It's called launch, the 360 has been out for a year, give the Wii and PS3 time and they'll no doubt kick back with better titles. We already know that there's a whole heap of greatness comming up, check my list on the first point.

The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)

Firstly, I don't give a crap if the characters in the game are already popular, they're great characters, and smash bros is arguably one of the greatest fighter's available (especially for multiplayer). The games on a Nintendo console are also not the same, and if you think about it, Nintendo has developed over 50 ip's (check list on wikipedia). At the moment the ones they are using are Metroid, mario, Pikmin, Zelda, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, Donkey Kong, F-Zero and pokemon. There's no doubt ones I'm missing, Smash bros should be it's own IP really. Note in the GC generation, we had the resurection of Metroid, and creation of Pikmin and batallion wars series. Really, the new IP's Nintendo created in that generation alone, is more then what Microsoft and Sony have developed in thier whole career. I fail to see the problem. microsoft and Sony especially rely on third parties, and yet, Nintendo now has more third party support then Sony and third party software is also selling better on Nintendo's console.

Look here: http://au.wii.ign.com/articles/764/764835p1.html

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario.

I think we just established that they're not. Infact, they only release 2 games per generation (5 years) in both the Zelda and Metroid franchises, and only one from the Mario franchise. I would hardly call that "relying on".

There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that.

I think you may be refering to a third party game... Nintendo doesn't really control what third parties release.

I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. Microsoft learned this, Sony knows this.

Then why is it that there's no first party Sony made series at all thats really publicly known, and the only one that Microsoft has is Halo?

too_much_eslim

Wow I thought God of War, GT, and Socom are good. Also there is Halo, Gears, Fable, and Forza.

I don't care about sales. I care about games. Every system I loved did poor in sales so trust me I don't care about that. It is all about the games. The wii really lack the games that will keep me interested next year; let alone the next five years.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

I know Sony and Nintendo are different, but just think about it. PSP is doing bad not because of quality games, but because the games are console games on a handheld. The wii is basically getting ds games on a console. That is not really a bad thing because it is good to play quality games, but people might have the same feelings towards the wii as they do towards the psp. People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30. Wii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one. The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario. There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that. Only nintendo fanboys seem to think that there is nothing wrong with the games coming out for it. I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. Microsoft learned this, Sony knows this, and Nintendo seems like they are trying to reach out, but not trying hard enough.

XenoNinja

Sorry, I didn't read any of what you wrote as I can't be bothered Lol. but I must say, that i disagree with everything you said.

So since you didn't read, you don't think Nintendo is going to last long?

Oh, is that what you said. well then, I agree with everything you said Lol.

I think you should read.

The PSP is not doing well because they targeted a holder audience that is not known to be the a handheld market. If the multimedia features of the PSP would have been better it could have made tons of money by exploiting this huge market.

The PSP was too expensive for the normal mom/kid and didn't offer enough extras to attract the casual teen/young adult crowd.
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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Zaistev_basic"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="DriftRS"]

Lets break this down

The wii is basically getting ds games on a console.

I want you to show me a game on the DS that can be compared to Farcry, CoD, Zelda, mario Galaxy, Smash Bros Melee, Metroid Prime 3, MoH: Vangard, SSX or any of the other hardcore games on Wii.

People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30.

Again tell me which of these games is on the DS? Look at mario galaxy or metroid 3, unless the DS is more powerful then the GC, in  which case I dunno why anyone is buying the PSP, I have no idea how your argument here even makes sence.

Wii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one.

Yeah, and so does the PS3 but it's doing even worse. It's called launch, the 360 has been out for a year, give the Wii and PS3 time and they'll no doubt kick back with better titles. We already know that there's a whole heap of greatness comming up, check my list on the first point.

The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)

Firstly, I don't give a crap if the characters in the game are already popular, they're great characters, and smash bros is arguably one of the greatest fighter's available (especially for multiplayer). The games on a Nintendo console are also not the same, and if you think about it, Nintendo has developed over 50 ip's (check list on wikipedia). At the moment the ones they are using are Metroid, mario, Pikmin, Zelda, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, Donkey Kong, F-Zero and pokemon. There's no doubt ones I'm missing, Smash bros should be it's own IP really. Note in the GC generation, we had the resurection of Metroid, and creation of Pikmin and batallion wars series. Really, the new IP's Nintendo created in that generation alone, is more then what Microsoft and Sony have developed in thier whole career. I fail to see the problem. microsoft and Sony especially rely on third parties, and yet, Nintendo now has more third party support then Sony and third party software is also selling better on Nintendo's console.

Look here: http://au.wii.ign.com/articles/764/764835p1.html

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario.

I think we just established that they're not. Infact, they only release 2 games per generation (5 years) in both the Zelda and Metroid franchises, and only one from the Mario franchise. I would hardly call that "relying on".

There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that.

I think you may be refering to a third party game... Nintendo doesn't really control what third parties release.

I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. Microsoft learned this, Sony knows this.

Then why is it that there's no first party Sony made series at all thats really publicly known, and the only one that Microsoft has is Halo?

Zaistev_basic

Wow I thought God of War, GT, and Socom are good. Also there is Halo, Gears, Fable, and Forza.

I don't care about sales. I care about games. Every system I loved did poor in sales so trust me I don't care about that. It is all about the games. The wii really lack the games that will keep me interested next year; let alone the next five years.

I understand 360 is consider the hardcore system and wii the casual, but I want totally a hardcore game from the wii that will use the wii control greatly(I don't think any game uses the control properly). No more hereos might be it, but I want more and i want them to be a new IP.

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

I know Sony and Nintendo are different, but just think about it. PSP is doing bad not because of quality games, but because the games are console games on a handheld. The wii is basically getting ds games on a console. That is not really a bad thing because it is good to play quality games, but people might have the same feelings towards the wii as they do towards the psp. People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30. Wii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one. The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario. There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that. Only nintendo fanboys seem to think that there is nothing wrong with the games coming out for it. I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. Microsoft learned this, Sony knows this, and Nintendo seems like they are trying to reach out, but not trying hard enough.

too_much_eslim

Sorry, I didn't read any of what you wrote as I can't be bothered Lol. but I must say, that i disagree with everything you said.

So since you didn't read, you don't think Nintendo is going to last long?

Oh, is that what you said. well then, I agree with everything you said Lol.

I think you should read.

Okay I read it, now I must say, I sort of agree that Nintendo rely to heavily on Zelda, mario and Metroid. but as the saying goes. if it ain't broke why fix it. also I think there will be alot of new IP's with all the possibilities the controller introduces...we'll just have to wait and see. 

[QUOTE="Zaistev_basic"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Zaistev_basic"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="DriftRS"]

Lets break this down

The wii is basically getting ds games on a console.

I want you to show me a game on the DS that can be compared to Farcry, CoD, Zelda, mario Galaxy, Smash Bros Melee, Metroid Prime 3, MoH: Vangard, SSX or any of the other hardcore games on Wii.

People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30.

Again tell me which of these games is on the DS? Look at mario galaxy or metroid 3, unless the DS is more powerful then the GC, in  which case I dunno why anyone is buying the PSP, I have no idea how your argument here even makes sence.

Wii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one.

Yeah, and so does the PS3 but it's doing even worse. It's called launch, the 360 has been out for a year, give the Wii and PS3 time and they'll no doubt kick back with better titles. We already know that there's a whole heap of greatness comming up, check my list on the first point.

The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)

Firstly, I don't give a crap if the characters in the game are already popular, they're great characters, and smash bros is arguably one of the greatest fighter's available (especially for multiplayer). The games on a Nintendo console are also not the same, and if you think about it, Nintendo has developed over 50 ip's (check list on wikipedia). At the moment the ones they are using are Metroid, mario, Pikmin, Zelda, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, Donkey Kong, F-Zero and pokemon. There's no doubt ones I'm missing, Smash bros should be it's own IP really. Note in the GC generation, we had the resurection of Metroid, and creation of Pikmin and batallion wars series. Really, the new IP's Nintendo created in that generation alone, is more then what Microsoft and Sony have developed in thier whole career. I fail to see the problem. microsoft and Sony especially rely on third parties, and yet, Nintendo now has more third party support then Sony and third party software is also selling better on Nintendo's console.

Look here: http://au.wii.ign.com/articles/764/764835p1.html

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario.

I think we just established that they're not. Infact, they only release 2 games per generation (5 years) in both the Zelda and Metroid franchises, and only one from the Mario franchise. I would hardly call that "relying on".

There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that.

I think you may be refering to a third party game... Nintendo doesn't really control what third parties release.

I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. Microsoft learned this, Sony knows this.

Then why is it that there's no first party Sony made series at all thats really publicly known, and the only one that Microsoft has is Halo?

too_much_eslim

Wow I thought God of War, GT, and Socom are good. Also there is Halo, Gears, Fable, and Forza.

I don't care about sales. I care about games. Every system I loved did poor in sales so trust me I don't care about that. It is all about the games. The wii really lack the games that will keep me interested next year; let alone the next five years.

I understand 360 is consider the hardcore system and wii the casual, but I want totally a hardcore game from the wii that will use the wii control greatly(I don't think any game uses the control properly). No more hereos might be it, but I want more and i want them to be a new IP.

It appears as though Wii is doomed to failure...just like the DS was!8)

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

I know Sony and Nintendo are different, but just think about it. PSP is doing bad not because of quality games, but because the games are console games on a handheld. The wii is basically getting ds games on a console. That is not really a bad thing because it is good to play quality games, but people might have the same feelings towards the wii as they do towards the psp. People might start to ask why are they paying $50 for a game the can get on their ds for $30. Wii initial success is great, but it really lack the games that make you want to go out and buy one. The games that people buy a nintendo console for are the same. Nintendo has, yet to release a killer app game that is a new ip.(SSB doesn't count because it uses characters that are already popular)

Nintendo will be around for a long time, but I really want them to stop relying on Zelda, Metroid, and Mario. There is only one new IP gaining hype for the wii, and after seeing the trailer for it, I wouldn't want to play it if it has voice acting like that. Only nintendo fanboys seem to think that there is nothing wrong with the games coming out for it. I want a game that appeal to me base on its cool factor and being a new ip. Microsoft learned this, Sony knows this, and Nintendo seems like they are trying to reach out, but not trying hard enough.

XenoNinja

Sorry, I didn't read any of what you wrote as I can't be bothered Lol. but I must say, that i disagree with everything you said.

So since you didn't read, you don't think Nintendo is going to last long?

Oh, is that what you said. well then, I agree with everything you said Lol.

I think you should read.

Okay I read it, now I must say, I sort of agree that Nintendo rely to heavily on Zelda, mario and Metroid. but as the saying goes. if it ain't broke why fix it. also I think there will be alot of new IP's with all the possibilities the controller introduces...we'll just have to wait and see. 

Yay you read and somewhat agreed. See I was trying to bash the console. I just want certain games on the wii that aren't present yet(hopefully).

[QUOTE="Zaistev_basic

Hey man it is not about the graphics, if it was I wouldn't care about the wii at all. I just know that eventually I'm going to get a wii, but I want what would be consider a must have game for the wii that doesn't have mario, zelda, metroid, or any other familiar characters in it.