Will playing old PC games be a thing of the past?

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#1 creativeminded
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Evening Gamers,

I write this post with great concern and this effects us all. This concerns online activation and the support from developers if we wish to play our fav game five years down the track.

Yesterday, i re-installed my original (bought with my hard earned money) copy of Two Worlds and this game requires online activation. When you buy the product you get a slip of paper with a code for you to import but is limited to how many codes are on the paper, additional installs requires that you call their hotline (free) and get another activation code because you can't play the game otherwise. previously I had leant the game to a friend of mine and he had to call up the hotline for the code, fair enough he got it no problem however this is where the problems starts and a warning to others. firstly, they asked him his name which he gave without much thought and guess what? They have my friends name down instead of mine so when i called up and told them my name, the lady refused to give me the code thinking I was pulling a dodgy with an illegal version of the game. After almost yelling at the poor thing, i finally got ONE code so i can install MY game which I PAID for (everytime i Install the game in future i will have to call them).

This is where the real concerns kicks in and does really effect all us gamers around the world. How long does this hotline plam on staying available? What happens when they close some years down the track? It means we cant play our games and online activation has become a norm now. All PC gamers enjoy going back to games even more then 10 years old to play but have we reached our end of this due to online activations and such?

How can we gamers voice our concern for this? Before it's too late and games pretty much expire on us after x amount of years.

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#2 locopatho
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Yup I hate all the activations codes and DRM and whatnot. I got one game where I had to do that, and haven't bought a PC game since. It's evil. As you say, if we a buy a game it's ours, we shouldn't have to jump thru hoops to play it! To be honest I don't really know of any way to combat this, short of not buying those protected games.
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#3 creativeminded
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Also makes problems for those who don't even have the internet. i understand the fight against piracy but this is not the way to go (they still do it dodgy anyway).
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#4 osan0
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it is an issue allright. ideally publishers will release a patch that will basically break the DRM after a certain amount of time (basically when its shelf life is gone). so u install the game..install this patch and ure good to go. i think bioshock does that now...theres no need to register. u just install, get the latest patch and ure good to go. i think thats how it works now but correct me if im wrong. theres also an issue of what happens if, god forbid, a service like steam bites the bullet. how will u activate ure games? how will u download them? or what if u get some games on something like onlive and that goes down the toilet? there definately are issues surrounding that. consoles arent immune to this problem though either. what happens when support for an old console is withdrawn and their future console has no or limited BC? u have a perfectly good disc and cant do anything with it (legally anyway).
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#5 mr_mozilla
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Well I think and hope that the limited installations crap will fade away the same way starforce and other unpopular DRM methods did. And if the company goes under or the game is very old I'd expect a patch to remove it completely, of course there's no guarantee for that. You should also remember that DRM like that doesn't solely exist to fight off pirates, it's there also to prevent people from re-selling and loaning the game, which is what you did, so in a way you're part of the problem. With most software you pay for the license which often only allows limited installations, nothing new there.
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fight piracy, get console games. let the pirated pc gaming die

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#7 aroxx_ab
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This is one of the reason i almost have quit play games on PC, i am even to lazy to bother call them for get a new activating for my games. PC gaming is just about the "big 3" (world of warcraft, Diablo 3, starcraft 2) for me thats enough.

VISTA and Windows 7 have even problem play some older games so not only DRM that stop us.

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#8 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Wait a second, why someone want to play Two Worlds. :|

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#9 LongZhiZi
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This is one of my concerns. My favorite thing about PC gaming is the fact that once you bought a game, you can basically play it forever. The OS and hardware changes, but the compatibility generally works. I hope developers/publishers will consider releasing patches to remove this kind of DRM after a certain number of years (let's just say 5, for example).
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It sucks, but you can't blame them. o_o Piracy isn't a little problem.
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Evening Gamers,

I write this post with great concern and this effects us all. This concerns online activation and the support from developers if we wish to play our fav game five years down the track.

Yesterday, i re-installed my original (bought with my hard earned money) copy of Two Worlds and this game requires online activation. When you buy the product you get a slip of paper with a code for you to import but is limited to how many codes are on the paper, additional installs requires that you call their hotline (free) and get another activation code because you can't play the game otherwise. previously I had leant the game to a friend of mine and he had to call up the hotline for the code, fair enough he got it no problem however this is where the problems starts and a warning to others. firstly, they asked him his name which he gave without much thought and guess what? They have my friends name down instead of mine so when i called up and told them my name, the lady refused to give me the code thinking I was pulling a dodgy with an illegal version of the game. After almost yelling at the poor thing, i finally got ONE code so i can install MY game which I PAID for (everytime i Install the game in future i will have to call them).

This is where the real concerns kicks in and does really effect all us gamers around the world. How long does this hotline plam on staying available? What happens when they close some years down the track? It means we cant play our games and online activation has become a norm now. All PC gamers enjoy going back to games even more then 10 years old to play but have we reached our end of this due to online activations and such?

How can we gamers voice our concern for this? Before it's too late and games pretty much expire on us after x amount of years.

creativeminded
no but consoles will be
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#12 mo0ksi
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I find that people make DRM seem something terribly evil, but personally I've never experienced an issue with it whatsoever. Every DRM-activated game I have run the way they're supposed to, and there's never been any sort of interference with it on my end. I think DRM is exaggerated. BTW, why would you wanna play Two Worlds?
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It sucks, but you can't blame them. o_o Piracy isn't a little problem.killab2oo5
DRM in no way avoids piracy. :|
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this is why I now refuse to buy any game with activation limits. if they want some sort of activation make it use steam that works and isn't annoying but activations for ever time you install it is just annoying and it is against the whole point when it is easier to play a pirated version than a legal version.
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this is why I now refuse to buy any game with activation limits. if they want some sort of activation make it use steam that works and isn't annoying but activations for ever time you install it is just annoying and it is against the whole point when it is easier to play a pirated version than a legal version.

fight piracy, get console games. let the pirated pc gaming die

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I'll fight it by only buying the game if they put it on steam or remove any activation limits, and second hand console games are just as bad for the devs.
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fight piracy, get console games. let the pirated pc gaming die

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Hahahaha and what do you think will happen? All pirates will simply migrate to consoles...
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this is why I now refuse to buy any game with activation limits. if they want some sort of activation make it use steam that works and isn't annoying but activations for ever time you install it is just annoying and it is against the whole point when it is easier to play a pirated version than a legal version. imprezawrx500
same here, i simply won't buy the game if it has restrictive DRM. No matter hoe good it is. You get to this ridiculous situation where cracked version are actually MORE functional and user friendly than legit versions.
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I find it ironic that the best way to combat this set up is to just download the game illegally, where you wont be prompted for an activation code. It's stunning really.

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#19 TheGreatOutdoor
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fight piracy, get console games. let the pirated pc gaming die

sikanderahmed

But getting console games would be a waste of money. I can't play console games on my PC (legally folks, legally).

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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]this is why I now refuse to buy any game with activation limits. if they want some sort of activation make it use steam that works and isn't annoying but activations for ever time you install it is just annoying and it is against the whole point when it is easier to play a pirated version than a legal version. BoloTheGreat
same here, i simply won't buy the game if it has restrictive DRM. No matter hoe good it is. You get to this ridiculous situation where cracked version are actually MORE functional and user friendly than legit versions.

I find it ironic that the best way to combat this set up is to just download the game illegally, where you wont be prompted for an activation code. It's stunning really.Ek-Andy
You both are right. It is pretty screwed up that the illegal copy works better than the legit copy. And if they continue with this way of combating piracy, I see it doing nothing but make piracy worse. I won't lie, when I read the TC's post, the first thing that came to mind was a key generator and/or a illegal download of the game and how that would fit his issue.

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#21 crozon
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fight piracy, get console games. let the pirated pc gaming die

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sure you going to tell me why if i had a 360 i could get down a pirated copy of dark athena but on the PC there is no cracked copy. hmm at the moment its looking like a lot of sites (illegal forum sites) are now concentrating on 360 cracked copies.
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Evening Gamers,

I write this post with great concern and this effects us all. This concerns online activation and the support from developers if we wish to play our fav game five years down the track.

Yesterday, i re-installed my original (bought with my hard earned money) copy of Two Worlds and this game requires online activation. When you buy the product you get a slip of paper with a code for you to import but is limited to how many codes are on the paper, additional installs requires that you call their hotline (free) and get another activation code because you can't play the game otherwise. previously I had leant the game to a friend of mine and he had to call up the hotline for the code, fair enough he got it no problem however this is where the problems starts and a warning to others. firstly, they asked him his name which he gave without much thought and guess what? They have my friends name down instead of mine so when i called up and told them my name, the lady refused to give me the code thinking I was pulling a dodgy with an illegal version of the game. After almost yelling at the poor thing, i finally got ONE code so i can install MY game which I PAID for (everytime i Install the game in future i will have to call them).

This is where the real concerns kicks in and does really effect all us gamers around the world. How long does this hotline plam on staying available? What happens when they close some years down the track? It means we cant play our games and online activation has become a norm now. All PC gamers enjoy going back to games even more then 10 years old to play but have we reached our end of this due to online activations and such?

How can we gamers voice our concern for this? Before it's too late and games pretty much expire on us after x amount of years.

creativeminded
If you lost your activation or the company shuts down you can always go to a site and get the "Walk around" or a no CD fix, it is a consequence of people not wanting to put in a CD every time you want to play, or if you bought a copy and went through your installation limit. It is perfectly legal, but only if you BOUGHT the game.
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#23 creativeminded
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[QUOTE="creativeminded"]

Evening Gamers,

I write this post with great concern and this effects us all. This concerns online activation and the support from developers if we wish to play our fav game five years down the track.

Yesterday, i re-installed my original (bought with my hard earned money) copy of Two Worlds and this game requires online activation. When you buy the product you get a slip of paper with a code for you to import but is limited to how many codes are on the paper, additional installs requires that you call their hotline (free) and get another activation code because you can't play the game otherwise. previously I had leant the game to a friend of mine and he had to call up the hotline for the code, fair enough he got it no problem however this is where the problems starts and a warning to others. firstly, they asked him his name which he gave without much thought and guess what? They have my friends name down instead of mine so when i called up and told them my name, the lady refused to give me the code thinking I was pulling a dodgy with an illegal version of the game. After almost yelling at the poor thing, i finally got ONE code so i can install MY game which I PAID for (everytime i Install the game in future i will have to call them).

This is where the real concerns kicks in and does really effect all us gamers around the world. How long does this hotline plam on staying available? What happens when they close some years down the track? It means we cant play our games and online activation has become a norm now. All PC gamers enjoy going back to games even more then 10 years old to play but have we reached our end of this due to online activations and such?

How can we gamers voice our concern for this? Before it's too late and games pretty much expire on us after x amount of years.

muscleserge
If you lost your activation or the company shuts down you can always go to a site and get the "Walk around" or a no CD fix, it is a consequence of people not wanting to put in a CD every time you want to play, or if you bought a copy and went through your installation limit. It is perfectly legal, but only if you BOUGHT the game.

ye i got the original and I was unaware the websites have these no CD fixes. Actually, I've never heard of this (except for illegal cracks) but maybe that's something PC companies should consider.
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#24 creativeminded
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A few people have asked why i would want to play Two Worlds and got a very simple answer. Brace yourselves..it's fun, lol. The games actually very good once you get used to it and graphically it's very nice as well.
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This is why we must boycott games with invasive DRM.

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The thing I don't get about all these restrictions is, it only takes ONE PERSON to break it, and then every single other person on the internet can just torrent it. (Not recommending it, just saying!) Is it really worth inconvenciencing every person who buys it legit in the vain hope that not a single person in the world can crack the protection?
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The thing I don't get about all these restrictions is, it only takes ONE PERSON to break it, and then every single other person on the internet can just torrent it. (Not recommending it, just saying!) Is it really worth inconvenciencing every person who buys it legit in the vain hope that not a single person in the world can crack the protection?locopatho
I think there has to be some sort of a pattern of DRM vs non-DRM sales, otherwise I don't thing the devs would even bother. In other cases the publishers actually force the devs to implement DRM, it give the DRM companies business aswell.
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[QUOTE="locopatho"]The thing I don't get about all these restrictions is, it only takes ONE PERSON to break it, and then every single other person on the internet can just torrent it. (Not recommending it, just saying!) Is it really worth inconvenciencing every person who buys it legit in the vain hope that not a single person in the world can crack the protection?muscleserge
I think there has to be some sort of a pattern of DRM vs non-DRM sales, otherwise I don't thing the devs would even bother. In other cases the publishers actually force the devs to implement DRM, it give the DRM companies business aswell.

I suppose, it doesn't seem to make logical sense to me. Guess that's why I'm not in charge of a games company :(
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[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]It sucks, but you can't blame them. o_o Piracy isn't a little problem.BoloTheGreat
DRM in no way avoids piracy. :|

I didn't say it did, but I believe devs think DRM is better than no DRM.
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#30 mgsfan1189
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Evening Gamers,

I write this post with great concern and this effects us all. This concerns online activation and the support from developers if we wish to play our fav game five years down the track.

Yesterday, i re-installed my original (bought with my hard earned money) copy of Two Worlds and this game requires online activation. When you buy the product you get a slip of paper with a code for you to import but is limited to how many codes are on the paper, additional installs requires that you call their hotline (free) and get another activation code because you can't play the game otherwise. previously I had leant the game to a friend of mine and he had to call up the hotline for the code, fair enough he got it no problem however this is where the problems starts and a warning to others. firstly, they asked him his name which he gave without much thought and guess what? They have my friends name down instead of mine so when i called up and told them my name, the lady refused to give me the code thinking I was pulling a dodgy with an illegal version of the game. After almost yelling at the poor thing, i finally got ONE code so i can install MY game which I PAID for (everytime i Install the game in future i will have to call them).

This is where the real concerns kicks in and does really effect all us gamers around the world. How long does this hotline plam on staying available? What happens when they close some years down the track? It means we cant play our games and online activation has become a norm now. All PC gamers enjoy going back to games even more then 10 years old to play but have we reached our end of this due to online activations and such?

How can we gamers voice our concern for this? Before it's too late and games pretty much expire on us after x amount of years.

creativeminded

when they ask for your name you should just give them ur friends name.

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[QUOTE="creativeminded"]

Evening Gamers,

I write this post with great concern and this effects us all. This concerns online activation and the support from developers if we wish to play our fav game five years down the track.

Yesterday, i re-installed my original (bought with my hard earned money) copy of Two Worlds and this game requires online activation. When you buy the product you get a slip of paper with a code for you to import but is limited to how many codes are on the paper, additional installs requires that you call their hotline (free) and get another activation code because you can't play the game otherwise. previously I had leant the game to a friend of mine and he had to call up the hotline for the code, fair enough he got it no problem however this is where the problems starts and a warning to others. firstly, they asked him his name which he gave without much thought and guess what? They have my friends name down instead of mine so when i called up and told them my name, the lady refused to give me the code thinking I was pulling a dodgy with an illegal version of the game. After almost yelling at the poor thing, i finally got ONE code so i can install MY game which I PAID for (everytime i Install the game in future i will have to call them).

This is where the real concerns kicks in and does really effect all us gamers around the world. How long does this hotline plam on staying available? What happens when they close some years down the track? It means we cant play our games and online activation has become a norm now. All PC gamers enjoy going back to games even more then 10 years old to play but have we reached our end of this due to online activations and such?

How can we gamers voice our concern for this? Before it's too late and games pretty much expire on us after x amount of years.

muscleserge
If you lost your activation or the company shuts down you can always go to a site and get the "Walk around" or a no CD fix, it is a consequence of people not wanting to put in a CD every time you want to play, or if you bought a copy and went through your installation limit. It is perfectly legal, but only if you BOUGHT the game.

technically breaking the DRM is still illeagle in itself. if u bough tthe game and the DRM isnt playing ball and u get a pirated version...ure still technically breaking the law. but i would love to see a publisher take a paying customer to court because they broke a DRM system that refuses to play ball. i dont think any publisher is that stupid. if u have the cd and box and the reciept, or records from steam.....i dont think they would even try it. unless the legal system in a country is completly FUBAR, the publisher would be laughed out of the court room. hell u could counter sue for breach of contract. so its still technically illegal. but if u have a record or ure legit purchase and the publisher refuses to assist with the DRM....i wouldnt be worried it. however on no uncertain terms can u to distribute the downloaded copy.
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#32 iam2green
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Wait a second, why someone want to play Two Worlds. :|

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somebody that might think it is a good game. i know what u mean my friend thought it was a great game. he has bad taste in games. i asked him how come it is lagging? he said because it is loading the awesome graphics the games have. me and his brother start laughing our asses off.

yes, pirating is a problem. companies shouldn't have to make it seem like they own the game. i know what u mean when the server goes down. we would not be able to play the game again. it is one reason why i hate DRM or any kind of anti pirating software. it also does nothing to prevent it as there are ways to get around that. i still play counter strike source, that game came out around 01.
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People will always play games from years back. Evidence says they still do. PC is the best platform as longevity is concerned, its not really any surprise.
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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]this is why I now refuse to buy any game with activation limits. if they want some sort of activation make it use steam that works and isn't annoying but activations for ever time you install it is just annoying and it is against the whole point when it is easier to play a pirated version than a legal version. [QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

fight piracy, get console games. let the pirated pc gaming die

I'll fight it by only buying the game if they put it on steam or remove any activation limits, and second hand console games are just as bad for the devs.

Re-selling is the devs own fault. If the dev made great games with replay value, secondhand would be a non-issue because nobody would want to give the game up.
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Evening Gamers,

I write this post with great concern and this effects us all. This concerns online activation and the support from developers if we wish to play our fav game five years down the track.

Yesterday, i re-installed my original (bought with my hard earned money) copy of Two Worlds and this game requires online activation. When you buy the product you get a slip of paper with a code for you to import but is limited to how many codes are on the paper, additional installs requires that you call their hotline (free) and get another activation code because you can't play the game otherwise. previously I had leant the game to a friend of mine and he had to call up the hotline for the code, fair enough he got it no problem however this is where the problems starts and a warning to others. firstly, they asked him his name which he gave without much thought and guess what? They have my friends name down instead of mine so when i called up and told them my name, the lady refused to give me the code thinking I was pulling a dodgy with an illegal version of the game. After almost yelling at the poor thing, i finally got ONE code so i can install MY game which I PAID for (everytime i Install the game in future i will have to call them).

This is where the real concerns kicks in and does really effect all us gamers around the world. How long does this hotline plam on staying available? What happens when they close some years down the track? It means we cant play our games and online activation has become a norm now. All PC gamers enjoy going back to games even more then 10 years old to play but have we reached our end of this due to online activations and such?

How can we gamers voice our concern for this? Before it's too late and games pretty much expire on us after x amount of years.

mgsfan1189

when they ask for your name you should just give them ur friends name.

ye gona have to do that, hopefully wont forget to.
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#36 ronvalencia
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Evening Gamers,

I write this post with great concern and this effects us all. This concerns online activation and the support from developers if we wish to play our fav game five years down the track.

Yesterday, i re-installed my original (bought with my hard earned money) copy of Two Worlds and this game requires online activation. When you buy the product you get a slip of paper with a code for you to import but is limited to how many codes are on the paper, additional installs requires that you call their hotline (free) and get another activation code because you can't play the game otherwise. previously I had leant the game to a friend of mine and he had to call up the hotline for the code, fair enough he got it no problem however this is where the problems starts and a warning to others. firstly, they asked him his name which he gave without much thought and guess what? They have my friends name down instead of mine so when i called up and told them my name, the lady refused to give me the code thinking I was pulling a dodgy with an illegal version of the game. After almost yelling at the poor thing, i finally got ONE code so i can install MY game which I PAID for (everytime i Install the game in future i will have to call them).

This is where the real concerns kicks in and does really effect all us gamers around the world. How long does this hotline plam on staying available? What happens when they close some years down the track? It means we cant play our games and online activation has become a norm now. All PC gamers enjoy going back to games even more then 10 years old to play but have we reached our end of this due to online activations and such?

How can we gamers voice our concern for this? Before it's too late and games pretty much expire on us after x amount of years.

creativeminded

Uninstalling a game should revoke the activation state(e.g. Sacred 2), but some games doesn't perform this step. I'll usually purchase StarDock published game (e.g. I plan to purchase Demigod after the first patch) to support thier copy protection position.

Also, I can tolerate Stream purchased games i.e. prices are reasonable.

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#37 true-satanist
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Did you lose the little piece of paper the original game with. Losing that slip is 'bad news.'
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#38 doobie1975
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unforunatly it goes against you EULA to 'lend' the game to your friend, you dont own the game you have a licence to use the software. not a licence to lend the game to who you like. you agreed to this when you clicked i agree when you installed the game. its harsh i know, but hey life's a ^"£"!