Will PS4 outsell the PS2?

I think it's fair to count both PS4 and PS4 pro sales for this one. They're not really different machines per se. Do you think It is possible, SW? Can it even come close? I honestly don't think so, lol. Too much competition from PC.

With the momentum it has and the fact that there are millions more gamers today then a decade ago, I would say that PS4 definitely has a shot at outselling PS2 in lifetime sales.

It's not fair to count both of them.

Only if you count both the PS4 and Pro combined, which isn't a fair comparison. The power jump from the PS4 to the Pro is bigger than the jump from the GameCube to the Wii.

Gonna be hard to pull off. It's over 1/3rd of the way but it needs to maintain a steady momentum for anothee 6 years or so. By then it'll be 9 years old. 120M is very possible but 155M will be very hard.

It's possible.

You couldn't separate the two even if you tried. The PS4 Pro is still recorded as PS4 hardware in their Financial Results and as far as I know, metrics that comes from NPD and all aren't separating the two either.

Now, will it outsell the PS2? No. New hardware is released much more quickly now and I doubt we'll see enough revisions of the PS4 to hit PS2 numbers.

Not a chance in hell.

No even with the Pro. The PS2 was easily breaking 20 million units sold in a single year at this point in it's life if I recall. The PS4 has yet to sell anywere near there in a single year, but it may pull off 20+ million sold this year.The PS2 also had a pretty long life which is unlikely for the PS4 at this point because I expect the amount it sells per year to start dropping slowly probably starting in 2018. Lifetime sales for the PS4 should be somewhere between 95 million and 115 million when it is discontinued.

Doubtful, but it probably will surpass the wii.

Seriously though, with PS5 rumours stirring for next year, the PS4 has to triple it's current userbase to beat the PS2. That's not happening.

No. I do think it'll outsell PS1 and Wii however.

i dont think it will even outsell the ps3

I dont think it will, its got a ways to go

The ps2? I don't even think its gonna outsell the PS3.

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Uhhhh ....... nah, I don't think so.

Yeah that may be the dumbest prediction I've ever seen for anything. PS4 will easily surpass 100 million sales. I doubt it outsells PS2 but it will probably end somewhere between 120-130 mil. It's already at nearly 60 million after 3 years with so many system sellers yet to release like TLOU 2, God of War, GTA VI, RDR 2, Horizon, Kingdom Hearts 3, Spiderman, FF7R, Shenmue 3, Cyberpunk and so on. PS3 only sold about 85 mil. PS4 should surpass that early next year.

No, the PlayStation 2 was available at retail for 13 years, dropped down to $49.99 in the United States (likely much lower elsewhere) and largely hit the numbers it did due to accessibility and affordability in the third world.

This happening to the PlayStation 4 is a fundamental impossibility on every account, not to mention internet is required to even use these consoles which is not something readily available in poverty stricken nations, not going to happen.

I don't think so. It's selling remarkably well. It's currently outselling the PS2, I believe. But it won't have anywhere near the longevity IMO - I foresee a steep drop-off over the next few years, especially when rumors of the next Pro followup start to surface. Sony's strategy doesn't seem to favor pushing the PS4 for the long-term, but instead to release more iterative devices that are BC. And at some point "counting" the 3rd or 4th iterative upgrade as part of the initial models' sales just won't be justifiable and will hamper seeing those numbers

Nah but perhaps it will reach PS1 numbers.

Doesn't matter, even if you combine them it still won't reach PS2.

I don't think so.

Not in sells and for damn sure not quality.

I highly doubt it'll reach PS2 numbers, but I can easily see PS4 being close or equal to PS1 sales.

No. The reason for that is the PS5. I believe that it won't take very long until we see Sony beginning to push out PS5 details, just after the Scorpio launches. No way they're letting MS leading in power by such a humongus margin. If the PS4 were to stay as the main Sony platform (for the next 4 years or so), and there was no Scorpio, it may've happened. But that's not the case. So it is not happening, it cannot happen.

Scorpio isn't gonna make an impact for the general public. PS4 will continue to dominate everything for the next 2 years or more until the PS5 probably gets announced and released in 2019. Even after that I foresee the PS4 outselling even the PS5 for a couple of months or even a whole year. Just because a new console is announced doesn't mean everyone jumps ship to new hardware. The reason the PS3 and 360 got dropped quickly is because last gen was too long and people were tired of them and were desperate for a new gen. All indications right now show that most console gamers aren't ready for a new gen yet. 4K gaming is still extremely niche. Sony is gonna milk this gen for a long time like they did with the PS2 if they can get away with it. With that said, I still don't expect PS4 to outsell PS2, it will probably do 120-130 million in its lifetime.

If the scorpio isn't a failure with a bottleneck, i believe it'll be gaining a lot of ground if there's no PS5 in the years to come. The PS4 and the Pro are a potato. If Scorpio has access to 1080p/60fps in every game, it will make a difference, even if the console has no exclusives. That most certainly will slow down Sony's sales.

We'll have to wait and see then. I still think you're wrong. Games and price are what determines sales when it comes to console sales. It's never been about power. For the Scorpio to gain momentum it will have to start beating the PS4 in worldwide sales which I definitely do not see happening. Sony just had their best quarter with 9.7 million shipped. Do you seriously see the Scorpio with a $400 or $500 price tag coming anywhere close to that? I don't see it. Bottleneck or not, I don't see the Scorpio taking off with its price point which is guaranteed to be higher than OG PS4 this holiday. Even if sales start to slow down for Sony they can easily do another price drop and get back momentum again. MS will have to do better than power to catch up with the PS4. PS4 is a sales monster like the Wii and PS2, it will take more than the promise of better running multiplats to give MS the sales edge.

I usually like to be positive, but the odds of that happening are almost nil.

Globally, it will not outsell the PS4, of course not. But that's not the point. If Scorpio isn't a worthless POS, they'll gain traction (especially in NA) and that will slow down PS4 sales by a lot. My prediction for the price of the system (again, if it isn't launched with a bottleneck the Pro, Ps4, Xbone all have in common) is between $500-600. As of late, i'm more leaning toward $499-549.99. By the time the console is released, the pro is probably gonna be $350 so asking $600 NO MATTER THE SPECS will be way too high. But staying under $600 and offer a premium experience is not gonna be a hard sell (especially if their marketing does their job). Show a large difference of what Scorpio can do against the Pro/Ps4/Xbone and it'll get a lot of attention from a bunch of people who are tired af of playing in 25fps with medium/high graphical settings.

PCs already exist for people like that and there arePC options that outperform whatever the Scorpio will be bringing out. I think you'd have a point if Scorpio had exclusives but the fact all its exclusives can be found on PC will ensure that it's probably not gonna gain traction.

The PS4 will pass 60 million sold by March.

http://neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1340113&page=1

sure but there's a bunch of lazy f*cks that don't want to build a pc and stick to consoles. something that can offer 1080p/60fps for ~$500 is a good option, even if it has no exclusives.

Did any of Michael Jackson's albums since Thriller were able to out sell it?

Possible, but I'll say no.

No chance. I believe it will sell somewhere between 85 and 105 million. If it reaches 100 then that's really impressive given the current turnover of hardware

http://www.polygon.com/2017/2/2/14485372/sony-ps4-sales-q3-2016

Sony sold more consoles last fall than in any quarter in PlayStation history

During the third quarter of Sony’s 2016 fiscal year — the three-month period ending Dec. 31, 2016 — the company reported that it shipped 9.7 million PS4 consoles worldwide. That’s up 15.5 percent over the 8.4 million units shipped during the same period in 2015, and it’s the highest quarterly total since Sony arrived on the gaming market with the original PlayStation in 1994. (The PS4 figure handily beat the previous record: 8.78 million PlayStation 2 units shipped during thesecond fiscal quarter of 2003.)

First how come both are PS4 and second yeah like the Pro has a 50/50 split with the normal PS4..lol

For god sake stop the damage control the PS4 was outselling the PS2 alone,the Pro isn't even selling great.

And both are PS4 just like the slim PS2 was a PS2.

No..

In fact the PS4 is ahead of the PS2 sales numbers in time frame,and sony shipped for the first time more PS4 in a single quarter than the PS2 did on its hottest quarter which was 2003,when they shipped 8.8 million sony shipped 9.7.

You were one one those who claimed sony would not reach 100 millions so how if your prediction now.

There is no chance in hell that the PS4 will end with 95 million units,even the PS3 is close to 90 millions and sold like shit for the first few years.

If I recall the PS2 started selling a lot more than it did at the start of it's life in it's third or fourth year. The PS4 being ahead of the PS2 is pretty much irrelevant to the final total the PS4 sells since the PS4 is present in more markets then the PS2 was ever in, the whole world is more globalized then 15 years ago and etc which helps it to sell more then the PS2 in it's first couple of years. The PS4 is never going to have as much momentum as the PS2 did later in it's life to reach anywere close to the PS2's final LTD before it was discontinued. The PS4 is going to sell somewhere between 25 and 60 million worse then the PS2 by the time it's discontinued. This will depend partially on how well the console sells in the US and NA in future years since it experienced a decline in that market last year and if it's sales momentum continues WW.

impossibru !

probably does it really matter it is sales how does it affect u from enjoying it

Only if PS4 gets DRE like the PS2's did and everyone needs to rebuy 3 or 4 by the end of the gen. :P

i dont see it plus ps2 had a long life I cant imagine ps4 lasting a decade

This. Those are some huge hitters, expect huge PS4 sales in Japan etc when some of those come out as well.

That's like jumping backwards so..

No it will be lucky to hit 100 mil. ps2 had almost no competition and Japan was actually relevant, home consoless can't even sell 10 mil in Japan now.

I doubt it will out sell the PS2, but it will reach 100million by the end of 2019

its the beginning of 2017 and its at 60 million. I see it reaching 75 million by January 2018.

how so?