Will the 3rd Xbox suffer from the 3rd console curse?

The Third Console Curse, is infamously known as company's fall from grace. Usually their 1st and 2nd console have much success and are the market leaders for their respective generations. Their 3rd console, usually doesn't have nearly as much success as the first two.

Nintendo was doing pretty good with the NES and SNES. The Nintendo 64 released in 1996 (for Japan and North America) or 1997 (for European countries). The N64 was not nearly as successful as is predecesors. Many credit the high cost of cartridges, lack of 3rd party support, and release of the Playstation for the fall.

Sony did pretty well with its first Playstation. It was the first console to ship 100 million units of all the generations. It launched in 1994 for Japan and 1995 for North America. Sony also did fantastically with the Playstation 2. It has sold over 140 million units, and is the best selling console to date. Whether or not the Wii will surpass has yet to be seen. The Playstation name sadly fell from grace with its release of the PS3 in 2006. It is no longer the market leader as with the previous 2 generations. The high price point at release is credited for the fall from grace.

Do you guys believe that the next Xbox will suffer from the 3rd console curse? The differences here are that the Xbox was never the market leader at one point in their first two generations. Will they still suffer?

The curse only applies to those who have led for at least one generation. Sony and Nintendo led for two.

The curse only applies to those who have led for at least one generation. Sony and Nintendo led for two.

Ragnarok1051

It was second in its first 2 generations, they can still fall from the posistion they had to the bottom, can't they?

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The curse only applies to those who have led for at least one generation. Sony and Nintendo led for two.

verbtex

It was second in its first 2 generations, they can still fall from the posistion they had to the bottom, can't they?

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The curse only applies to those who have led for at least one generation. Sony and Nintendo led for two.

SaltyMeatballs

It was second in its first 2 generations, they can still fall from the posistion they had to the bottom, can't they?

I know this generation isn't over yet, but i highly doubt that the standings will change.

i remember when the PS2 came out people said it would fail because it was black and all black consoles had failed... PS2 is still the most sold console ever right? so quit with the superstition =PKane04

Hmm, that is interesting, so maybe they won't suffer from the curse.

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]This generation isn't over yet.verbtex

This gen is confusing because unlike past gens the console with the most good games isnt the one with the most sales

Who knows.

It's kinda hard to say. I think Xbox fans should be more worried about the North American Console Curse/Curse of 1983 (Ever since the crash, no NA console has "won" the generation)

The Third Console Curse, is infamously known as company's fall from grace. Usually their 1st and 2nd console have much success and are the market leaders for their respective generations. Their 3rd console, usually doesn't have nearly as much success as the first two.

Nintendo was doing pretty good with the NES and SNES. The Nintendo 64 released in 1996 (for Japan and North America) or 1997 (for European countries). The N64 was not nearly as successful as is predecesors. Many credit the high cost of cartridges, lack of 3rd party support, and release of the Playstation for the fall.

Sony did pretty well with its first Playstation. It was the first console to ship 100 million units of all the generations. It launched in 1994 for Japan and 1995 for North America. Sony also did fantastically with the Playstation 2. It has sold over 140 million units, and is the best selling console to date. Whether or not the Wii will surpass has yet to be seen. The Playstation name sadly fell from grace with its release of the PS3 in 2006. It is no longer the market leader as with the previous 2 generations. The high price point at release is credited for the fall from grace.

Do you guys believe that the next Xbox will suffer from the 3rd console curse? The differences here are that the Xbox was never the market leader at one point in their first two generations. Will they still suffer?

verbtex

the 3rd console curse is really because every company's 1st and 2nd consoles are great because they focus on the fundamentals

the 3rd console is always the one that's the most ambitious, and is incidentally always when another company sabotages their efforts

maybe Apple will sabotage Microsoft's big plans for next gen?

The thing is, the original XBOX is hardly what you'd call "successful". ESPECIALLY when compared to Sony's and Nintendo's debut. Therefore I don't think the pattern fits them.nintendo-4life

Sega suffered the 3rd console curse as well tho, and their first console wasn't very successful either

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]The thing is, the original XBOX is hardly what you'd call "successful". ESPECIALLY when compared to Sony's and Nintendo's debut. Therefore I don't think the pattern fits them.88mphSlayer

Sega suffered the 3rd console curse as well tho, and their first console wasn't very successful either

This gen is confusing because unlike past gens the console with the most good games isnt the one with the most sales

Foliage-King

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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]The thing is, the original XBOX is hardly what you'd call "successful". ESPECIALLY when compared to Sony's and Nintendo's debut. Therefore I don't think the pattern fits them.nintendo-4life

Sega suffered the 3rd console curse as well tho, and their first console wasn't very successful either

nah i'm talking about the Sega Master System

Sega suffered the 3rd console curse as well tho, and their first console wasn't very successful either

88mphSlayer

Saturn was Sega's forth console. The Genesis was their third and most successful. The Master System, their second, was actually quite popular in Europe and South America. It just didn't fair so well in North America or Japan. Their very first console, the SG-1000, didn't do as well. Of course it was only sold in Japan.

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Sega suffered the 3rd console curse as well tho, and their first console wasn't very successful either

88mphSlayer

nah i'm talking about the Sega Master System

NES and PS1 were the market leaders, Xbox wasn't. So Microsoft has broken the chain!

The Xbox wasn't a runaway success and the 360 that followed it wasn't either. NES-SNES and PS1-PS2 match up, but the Xbox-360 is out of place.

Nintendo - won 3 generations (yes, they have already won this gen)

Sony - won 2 generations

SEGA - zip

Microsoft - zip

I think that's the official count, correct me if I'm wrong.

Nintendo - won 3 generations (yes, they have already won this gen)

Sony - won 2 generations

SEGA - won 1 generation

Microsoft - zip

I think that's the official count, correct me if I'm wrong.

Master_ShakeXXX

Sega never "won" a generation. Genesis was their most successful console, and it was still outsold by the SNES.

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Nintendo - won 3 generations (yes, they have already won this gen)

Sony - won 2 generations

SEGA - won 1 generation

Microsoft - zip

I think that's the official count, correct me if I'm wrong.

ThePlothole

Sega never "won" a generation. Genesis was their most successful console, and it was still outsold by the SNES.

Good point *fixed*

with how the market is now i think net gen all systems will be out the same year but not same time

how do we determine a gen winner

good games or sales

Since Im a gamer I choose sales

This gen is confusing because unlike past gens the console with the most good games isnt the one with the most sales

Foliage-King

That's your opinion.

I don't think MS will suffer from it. Sony and Nintendo entered the third console with total global domination during the first and second generation. I think that gave them a false sense of security and feeling that they would be a mega hit no matter what they did, even if it was coming out the gate at $600 or sticking with an expensive medium that was old in the teeth and that everyone else had long abandoned and not trying to be hospitable to 3rd parties. Microsoft will be entering the 3rd generation right after a tooth and nails fight for second place in the prior gen. They'll still have to be smart and they don't have much to rest or fall back on.Senor_Kami

Great point.

how do we determine a gen winner

good games or sales

Since Im a gamer I choose sales

Foliage-King

For most if not all people, hardware sales.

Definitely. With Halo gone (or at least Bungie) and with Mass Effect/Left for Dead most likely going multiplat, there's no reason to get the next Xbox. Gears/Fable/Splinter Cell (if it's lucky)/Allan Wake aren't enough to carry a system. And most of the 3rd party support the 360 has got? Almost solely because of the large install base. When less people buy the Xbox next gen, in favor of the PS with its giant exclusive library, the 3rd parties will either go multiplat or jump ship to Sony. It will fail really badly, it's already running out of steam.dkjestrup

Thanks for sharing your opinion. Unfortantely, your opnion means nothing and isn't fact.

[QUOTE="dkjestrup"]Definitely. With Halo gone (or at least Bungie) and with Mass Effect/Left for Dead most likely going multiplat, there's no reason to get the next Xbox. Gears/Fable/Splinter Cell (if it's lucky)/Allan Wake aren't enough to carry a system. And most of the 3rd party support the 360 has got? Almost solely because of the large install base. When less people buy the Xbox next gen, in favor of the PS with its giant exclusive library, the 3rd parties will either go multiplat or jump ship to Sony. It will fail really badly, it's already running out of steam.1kryptic

Thanks for sharing your opinion. Unfortantely, your opnion means nothing and isn't fact.

That's the beauty of all opinions.

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[QUOTE="dkjestrup"]Definitely. With Halo gone (or at least Bungie) and with Mass Effect/Left for Dead most likely going multiplat, there's no reason to get the next Xbox. Gears/Fable/Splinter Cell (if it's lucky)/Allan Wake aren't enough to carry a system. And most of the 3rd party support the 360 has got? Almost solely because of the large install base. When less people buy the Xbox next gen, in favor of the PS with its giant exclusive library, the 3rd parties will either go multiplat or jump ship to Sony. It will fail really badly, it's already running out of steam.Master_ShakeXXX

Thanks for sharing your opinion. Unfortantely, your opnion means nothing and isn't fact.

That's the beauty of all opinions.

Yes, but don't try to spread your opinion like it's a fact, it's annoying. Where's the proof to back up those claims.

ms got the curse out of the way with the first one.

The curse only applies to those who have led for at least one generation. Sony and Nintendo led for two.

Ragnarok1051

People act like Xbox sold much better then Gamecube and 360 is selling much better then the PS3, which is not true in either case.

[QUOTE="verbtex"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]This generation isn't over yet.Kane04

If i was the average consumer, i think a camera would be more "high tech" than a "different wand".

You know it more comes down to marketing.

ms got the curse out of the way with the first one.

Riverwolf007

Hmm, interesting view.

The thing is, the original XBOX is hardly what you'd call "successful". ESPECIALLY when compared to Sony's and Nintendo's debut. Therefore I don't think the pattern fits them.nintendo-4life

This is why this topic exists, even though the situation is different, will they still suffer?

how do we determine a gen winner

good games or sales

Since Im a gamer I choose sales

Foliage-King

I think the generally accepted rule is by sales.

You're a gamer, you should say games not sales.

im sorry but ps3 goin from 3rd to first is highly improbable with wiis upcoming line up

alone , lets me remind you this

not even all of ps3s userbase is gonna get move

so what makes you think , all of wiis owners would jump ship , half of wii owners already own a 360

so paying up 150 is cheaper then paying 70 per person 3 moves alone cost 170 -without the cam of course add 30 for the people with no cam

so ya , , not all 360 players will go natal either

none of this is gonnaeven happen!

yes maybe 20-30 percent will get one , -that includes non owners and owners

still not enough to propel ps3 pass wii if ps3 was gona out sell wii out side japan -where it does swap back and forth from wii ps3 wii ps3 wii ps3,

its just notgonna happen its already reported , ps3 is last in the aus market is last here , for some time now the only market ps3 has ---is japan ,

that wont be even enough for it to get 2nd if nothing drastic happens with move , ,

cause wii is almost 2x more sold then 360 in aus with ps3 b3hind it at 756k ,

and wiis been on shelf for about the same time as ps3 and a yr less then 360

so ya , um nothing from first is gonna change hands im sorry too far too late cause once wii hd/3d/2 what ever is announced first is the minute itdoesnt matter any more

technically ps2 only sold120 million , those other 10 million dont count cause that was after the fact xbox gba and gc have been removed from the assembly line

had all 3 been runin then yes sony would be leading in that run of consoles -still did but still ,

ps3 wiids psp 360 is all that it is about for the 7th gen 8th genstarts with 3ds

so ya , , only 2nd and 3rd may change hands!

wii is ahead already by 31 -32 million units as of today,

every month that gap is widened thanks to us and aus ,, and other smaller countries japan isnt even a factor any more cause its a 2 horse race in japan wii and ps3 swappin back and forth first and 2nd ,

wii still holding a wide lead over there

ds and psp take a bigger pie of japan

then they do elsewhere

except us where wii and ds dominate everymonth followed by 360 or some times ps3

then psp so ya ,

The curse only applies to those who have led for at least one generation. Sony and Nintendo led for two.

Ragnarok1051

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The curse only applies to those who have led for at least one generation. Sony and Nintendo led for two.

Nintendo_Ownes7

But this only works if you add that particular qualification. Since the Saturn is not their third overall.

Also what about Atari? The only way the "curse" could apply to them is if you counted the home version of pong as their first, and ignore the two other dedicated systems that came before the VCS/2600.