Will the arrival of the 3DS and PS Vita mean no more sprite art in handhelds?

The DS did have polygons (and or nurbs?) but, for the most part the DS games could do bit art and it wouldn't matter. The PSP had it's share of bit art games too although, the PSP did have polygon and nurbs with more sides and shaders. None where close to consoles of course. This is simply establishing the fact both could play off 8, 16 and 32 bit pixel art and it would play up on the system nicely.

Now with the 3DS and NGP bumping up the hardware specs and emphasizing displays things might change.

I can't find any great games on consoles that still use bit art in gameshops. Does this mean the 3DS and NGP will slowly seperate themselves from bit art?

Yeah I was worrying about that hearing the technological jump the 3DS is having. I think more developers will try to use 3D models this time around, but I do think smaller ones will still use sprites.

We can only hope more developers skip 3D models and choose the better looking alternative.

I never really cared for bit art but there are always those few developers that will stay true to the old and keep on chugging like pokemon, it will always be bit art, I hope that was a good example... For the NGP, I don't see anything yet except maybe a 2D side scroller or better yet, PS1 games downloaded off the PSN store to the NGP. Same for the eShop for the 3DS will have old games, I am pretty sure.

Yeah I was worrying about that hearing the technological jump the 3DS is having. I think more developers will try to use 3D models this time around, but I do think smaller ones will still use sprites.

We can only hope more developers skip 3D models and choose the better looking alternative.

Yangire

I suppose I was wondering about the game creators subjectivity in creating games. Of course, the objectivity part of a game creator would be simply to make the foundation of a game run well. Now that the hardware is better, no HH has to worry about it just running well, they can actually pull of 3D models and not just sprites and bit art environments.

It is different this time around for people wanting that kind of look from a HH game. It is a geneational step forward.

I never really cared for bit art but there are always those few developers that will stay true to the old and keep on chugging like pokemon, it will always be bit art, I hope that was a good example... For the NGP, I don't see anything yet except maybe a 2D side scroller or better yet, PS1 games downloaded off the PSN store to the NGP. Same for the eShop for the 3DS will have old games, I am pretty sure.

Hammstray

I think the only slightly new and relevant game creators that might still incorperate bit art heavily into games are the creators who do not want or know how to make that transition and the game creators on the Playstation Suite for the NGP that need to ensure their product runs well across platforms.

Outside of those two type of game creators, I honestly don't know who else will still stick with the old style.

There will be less of it, but the ones that will be there will be intentional (like real art), and not there just because of technical limitations.Willy105

What games do you have in mind?

There will always be a demand for old school SNES style games. There is a reason why people still buy NES/SNES games off ebay and they make tons of 3rd party sytems to play them. 3D graphics look dated and they dont hold up long term as well.da_chub

Ebay? I would never buy anything off of ebay unless it's by someone really high rated. Even then, they hae to be sort of company level ebay users.

I don't know what you mean by the 3D gfx reffernce. Can you elaborate?

I sure as hell hope so, considering the 3DS can do interlacing when the 3D is switched off for an effective resolution of 480*800, and given the much smaller gap in 'power' between the consoles, I cant see why companies wouldn't be interested in cross platform bit-art 2d games.

I'm sure there still be something of it.siLVURcross

It would be in concentrated amounts. Not anything like the DS or even handhelds before it.

I sure as hell hope so, considering the 3DS can do interlacing when the 3D is switched off for an effective resolution of 480*800, and given the much smaller gap in 'power' between the consoles, I cant see why companies wouldn't be interested in cross platform bit-art 2d games.

YoYo278

It's 800X240 (for the 3DS).

Very good. the cross platform for older handhelds might still have some demand. Maybe not a lot later on when the newer genration HH become established but, early on that would be the case.

Don't you mean pixel art?

I think there will definately be games on both systems that will use a pixel art style.

So long as there is a market for it, I have confidence it will get made. Further, the additional specs will allow it to run in higher resolutions (And with true color instead of high color in the case of the DS, the PSP was already true color), which even makes 'bit' art games look better.

Don't you mean pixel art?

I think there will definately be games on both systems that will use a pixel art style.

the_mitch28

Yes. Games whose mechanics run off of sprites. I messed around with GBA prites on Pokemon games and I think they are 16 or 32 bit color sprites. Not sure about the DS. Although I'm sure there are mods for those sprites, I haven't ever messed around with those.

You're sure?

So long as there is a market for it, I have confidence it will get made. Furthermore, the additional specs will allow it to run in higher resolutions (And with true color instead of high color in the case of the DS, the PSP was already true color), which even makes 'bit' art games look better.

Seiki_sands

Oh, you're referring to the display. I don't know about the 3DS but, the clear video for the NGP had my jaw falling to the ground. I was a fan of LCD's because they got the job done (and because I understood them for the most part) but, the NGP's OLED is awesome. I would explain some of what makes the OLED so cool but, it's a bit off topic.

That is interesting although, developers work on displays of their own (on the PC) when creating game assets and things.

[QUOTE="da_chub"]There will always be a demand for old school SNES style games. There is a reason why people still buy NES/SNES games off ebay and they make tons of 3rd party sytems to play them. 3D graphics look dated and they dont hold up long term as well.wakefulness

Ebay? I would never buy anything off of ebay unless it's by someone really high rated. Even then, they hae to be sort of company level ebay users.

I don't know what you mean by the 3D gfx reffernce. Can you elaborate?

[QUOTE="wakefulness"]

[QUOTE="da_chub"]There will always be a demand for old school SNES style games. There is a reason why people still buy NES/SNES games off ebay and they make tons of 3rd party sytems to play them. 3D graphics look dated and they dont hold up long term as well.da_chub

Ebay? I would never buy anything off of ebay unless it's by someone really high rated. Even then, they hae to be sort of company level ebay users.

I don't know what you mean by the 3D gfx reffernce. Can you elaborate?

That is a bit different. You are thinking in terms of taste. This is a refference to bit art and 3D models.

I don't know but, I assume you are talking more about the tastes within 3D and pixel style media.

No, it's an artstyle in many cases, it'll be around 'til the end of gaming/time, may not be pixelated, but it'll still be sprites. However, games use NURBS? O.oInconsistancy

Not sure. I don't believe I've directly worked with 3D models. Someone needs to confirm that.

I suppose I over heard that those types of 3D models where used in a PSP developers specialist forum. It was slightly second hand information. If it is a wrong analysis, I apologize.

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]No, it's an artstyle in many cases, it'll be around 'til the end of gaming/time, may not be pixelated, but it'll still be sprites. However, games use NURBS? O.owakefulness

Not sure. I don't believe I've directly worked with 3D models. Someone needs to confirm that.

I suppose I over heard that those types of 3D models where used in a PSP developers specialist forum. It was slightly second hand information. If it is a wrong analysis, I apologize.

Regarding the other half of that response, I believe it will live on as well. It will simply not have quite as much a demand maybe. I do not know many who are romanticized by the idea of pixel art in video games. That is perhaps simply of my own experiences. There is no large demand for that certain media in video games in my experiences.