Will the NX be considered a next gen console?

Yes, it will be considered 9th gen. It will be competing against the past of Nintendo.

Yes it will.

@MonsieurX: Why? It's next gen for Nintendo but not anyone else.

we dont even know if its a console

Gens are not determined by power.

Yes, & it would make the ps4/xbox last gen systems. :O

@MonsieurX: Only sheep say that. There is more than just time released that constitutes a next gen console. The wii u was a next gen console but it was last gen in graphics and features. And the nx is releasing along side the ps4 and x1 for competition, not the ps5/nextbox.

Uh , kind of a no-brainer there.

Yeah it will be.

Not really. I can see the argument going both ways.

My take has always been that Nintendo essentially released a pair of 6th gen consoles - the Wii being a very late addition to 6th gen, and the Wii-U is their true 7th gen console. Wii was basically just a more powerful Gamecube and maybe a tad more powerful than original XBOX. Wii-U is where Nintendo finally caught up to Xbox 360. In terms of hardware power, that's pretty much where those consoles line up.

Whether Nintendo fanboys want to admit it or not, Nintendo basically fell behind a generational step somewhere along the Wii and Wii-U eras. Even the parts inside these systems are dated back to prior generations - it was noted at launch they used a dated IBM Power CPU - and in fact the CPU is *weaker* than what is found in the PS3/360. How can a "next gen" system be using parts equal or even weaker than prior gen system?

The NX will be a 9th gen console with 8th gen hardware(or worse lol).

Just like the wii u is a 8th gen console with 7th gen hardware.

Just like wii is a 7th gen console with 6th gen hardware.

Hardware wise, nintendo is always a gen behind.

Well I guess so yes, don't know about the hardware though.

Says who?

In practical terms, video game generations pretty much are determined by power to most people. Would anyone replace a GTX980 GPU with GTX680? Hell no. It only makes sense to move forward, not sideways or backwards. The entire problem Nintendo faces right now in their home console division, is because they are perceived as being a "generation behind". Why do you think that is? It's because in reality they released two 6th gen systems - and the Wii-U is equivalent to a 7th gen system (i.e. they never caught back up to the competition).

If the NX is equivalent to a 8th gen system then the market will perceive it as such regardless of where "video game historians" want to try and categorize it. If Nintendo want to try and charge $300 or $400 for an 8th gen system that they bring 3 or 4 years too late - good luck with that. That exact strategy didn't seem to work out for Wii-U, so it would be quite insane to repeat it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No

It wont even be stronger than the One or the PS4

The only thing it'll be known as is another embarrassment for Nintendo, and I'm ok with that.

It'll be fun to watch Nintendo fans hurt more, the Wii U has been a pure treasure for that.

assuming the NX is a console:

yes it would. its the wiius successor so it would be competing against the PS5 and X2. assuming it releases next year that means end of gen next year with the PS4 declared the winner (the winner, as is tradition, is dictated by console sales).

it would make for quite a bizarre gen though :P. end of gen before it really started for the X1 and PS4.....a really really long lead in time for those consoles. in saying that i dont think they were ever designed to last 10 years. i think this gen was always going to eb shorter anyway..but thats another discussion.

if the NX is a handheld then it would have no effect on consoles of course. it would be the end of the 3DS/vita handheld gen (3ds being the winner there of course).

if the NX is a device agnostic/multi device platform (which i thought it was going to be but now im not so sure) and this was released as an update for the wiiu and 3DS (which is unlikely) then the console gen continues until either MS, sony or nintendo release their next console.

I can't believe that's still even debated on this forum. JFC

Why? You have the guy above saying when the NX comes out it's the "end of gen 8" with PS4 the winner on that date. That doesn’t' seem completely preposterous to you given the current state of Nintendo's console business? Nintendo's current system is literally not even relevant to gen 8, so how the hell do they determine when gen 8 ends LOL?

It seems to me that Nintendo has taken itself out of the traditional video game generation iterations - and considering we don’t' know anything about the NX yet, we have no idea just how far out of it they are (or if they will try to get back in it by making the NX a proper gen 8 or even gen 9 console).

@osan0: I think this gen will last a long time due to diminishing returns in features and the fact that game releases are a lot slower this gen.

Nintendo is closed minded , that's they're problem.

Sony and MS jumped a gen with the PS3 and 360 , it's Nintendo to blame they think that first come first serve works in this race.

They will never catch up , but that doesn't mean that they're not Next gen.

No. NX will be a current 8th generation system. (but officially, yes)

For all we know it could be an adaptation of the WiiU with a different media drive and a cheaper version of the gamepad. All to get the cost down within reason.

No, Nintendo will have two consoles in the same generation.

The hard truth ^ but I am still interested in what Nintendo is going to put out with the NX.

@augustevans: the slow releases of games is odd and may put a couple of years onto the gen..but i dont think its going to last last as long as the last gen.

its easier to develop a console now since a lot more off the shelf components can be used and be very effective. this includes the hardware and the software side.

They can also sell consoles at a profit (the loss leader days are over. oddly enough the only one that was taking a loss on hardware this gen was nintendo).

so as the march of technology continues MS and sony (and maybe nintendo, though i suspect they are taking a closer look at mobile tech) can take a snapshot of it and essentially build a console around it.

a console is only supposed to last around 5 years-ish. last gen was freakishly long....about 2 years too long imho.

but on a side note: to those saying it wouldn’t because horsepower or features....who dictates this? this is the issue with using power as a measurement. who dictates the power jump required to be next gen and what’s the difference tolerance?

couldn’t i argue that both the X1 and the wiiu are last gen and only the PS4 is current gen due to having GDDR5 memory and being the more powerful console. or i could argue that only the wiiu and PS4 are current gen because the X1 (until recently at least) didn’t have a second screen experience. i could even argue that they are all last gen (essentially an extension of the previous gen) because a next gen console is required to take the absolute bleeding edge in PC technology and sell it at a reasonable price.

does anyone want to argue that he 3DS and vita are actually in 2 different handheld gens? make no mistake about it, hardware wise the vita is in a completely different league to the 3DS. so anyone want to take that point and run with it?

using horsepower as a measurement of gens is messy. very messy. this is the console market. there are no standards. thats supposed to be one of the great things about consoles..each new console is a clean slate.

Its releasing 3 or 4 years after the PS4/X1. So I'll say yes.

we dont know what the NX even is....

but if it is a console then i think nintendo has gone its own way.....and it will be next gen for nintendo but they will not coincide with the twins.

i know what you mean.... i feel the same with the vita and the ps3.

If NX has R9-Fury Nano (175 watts), then it's next gen.

Just looked that up and i'm not seeing how it's rated at 175 watts? Seems the only difference between it is it's 50mhz less than than the full r9 fury which is 275 watts.

Where does the extra 100 watts in efficiency come from?

Good luck cramming a 650$ graphics card inside it.

AMD has enough time between the initial release of Fury X and Fury Nano to lower the power consumption.

Fuxy X chip stepping is already the old when compared to Fury Nano.

The power consumption improvements are like 7970/R9-280X vs Mobility Radeon R9 M295X (Tonga XT, 100-to-120 watts).

Firstly, the NX is not going to be a console, per se, it's going to be a concept in multiple form factors (like the iPad, iPod and iPhone).

Secondly, console generations have nothing to do with hardware power, and never have. Whatever the NX ends up being, it is the successor to the Wii U, and the Wii U is an 8th generation console. In fact, it was the one that started the generation.

@ronvalencia: So kinda like what nvidia did with the gtx 980 and just made a much more efficient card while still on 28nm? I didn't think AMD had it in them still :P good stuff.

Nintendo COULD use that card, if they used a 16/14nm process for it, but as we know Nintendo used a 45.40nm process for Wii U even though they could've used a 32/28 process, so I have my doubts. And this is assuming they want to blow Ps4 out of the water instead of doing what they usually do.

Mobile Tonga XT GPU was for Apple iMac. Fury Nano could be a candidate GPU for the next Apple Mac.

This thread is completely useless until we actually have SOME more information on the system.

Yes. But it won't exactly be part of Playstation and Xbox One's Generation.

It'll be a part of Nintendo's "New" Generation.

@foxhound_fox: Sources?

I'm not into assumptions because I am not a fool :p

I'm gonna say "Yes" simply because it HAS to be. Nintendo is no longer in a position where they can just sit on their hands anymore.

Hmm....the N64 came out later than the PS1/Saturn but is still considered in that gen. It's possible to say Nintendo will have two in one gen since this gen did start not long ago.

If it's a traditional console, then yes.

@ronvalencia: i dont see how they could use the nano and keep costs sane.

ideally a console should only have one pool of memory. it would also require quite the CPU to keep it fed.

really nintendo would need to be looking at something equivelent to a moden I5 (even with newer APIs n such, the cards a hungry beast) and the fury uses HBM memory so at least 12Gb of that unified (of course the CPU would need a new memory controller to work with it also).

it would be one hell of an MCM but i couldnt see them selling the console for anything less than 700 quid at launch (assuming a 2016 launch). if they are going to release a 700 quid console then they will need to have something ready to wow the market in order for them to justify the price.

That's 5th gen - the SNES is not counted with them , or the Gamecube , so how can we count the NX as 8th?

I think some have mixed up the meaning of the word "next" in next gen.

What? If we start with 3rd Gen....NES/SMS etc era. 4th.....SNES/Genesis. 5th.....N64/Saturn/PS1......6th......GC/DC/PS2/Xbox. 7th......Wii/PS3/360 and now 8th....Wii U/PS4/X1 and probably NX since it's still early in the gen.

If it got a die shrink for the NX and it launches in 2017.

That said I think it's more than a little hopeful to expect something like that. Imo, they should look at the Ps4's deficiencys and fix them. It's Cpu bottlenecked, so use a much better cpu but still keeping the GPU > CPU area size on the APU, then have a 7870 or better gpu. That way they can be way under 100 watts like they want to and it'll be a much better machine than Ps4 without breaking the bank.

I think it'll have 16GBs of memory at least though what kind I don't know. We do know since gamecube they like very low latency memory + some eDRAM as their memory solution but they'll at least consider HBM.

Yes, if the only thing that mattered about a console was graphics then the Wii u, ps4 and xbone would all be last Gen systems still

Technically, it will be next-gen, yes. But we all know better.

Who cares?

How can it? This gen has barely started. Was Dreamcast next gen or current gen? The debate still rages on, but no one argues it was a bad idea releasing a mid generation machine.

It will likely be current gen tech (and rumours suggest behind the likes of PS4 which I can believe) so what gen it's classed in by gamers is largely irrelevant. What are the specs? What are the capabilities? What games are available that you can't get on the consoles you already own? These are the questions to ask.