Will the PS3's position in last place have a effect on PS4 sales?

I have no clue.

PS3 is in last?

Also, no

Lems still haven't accepted the fact that 360 is last eventhough it released a year earlier?

Did Xbox and Gsmecube negatively affect Microsoft and Nintendo? Dumb topic because Sony obviously still has strong brand image with gamers.

Lems still haven't accepted the fact that 360 is last eventhough it released a year earlier?

Davekeeh

Cows still haven't accepted the fact that the PS3 for the first three years was the cheapest Blu-Ray player. 

Did GCN have an effect on Wii sales? Did Xbox have an effect on Xbox 360 sales? Come on, son. Who the hell knows. Did Wii being first affect Wii U sales?

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Lems still haven't accepted the fact that 360 is last eventhough it released a year earlier?

xhawk27

Cows still haven't accepted the fact that the PS3 for the first three years was the cheapest Blu-Ray player. 

Cmon, you can do better than that lol. 

Lems still haven't accepted the fact that 360 is last eventhough it released a year earlier?

Davekeeh

Did GCN have an effect on Wii sales?SaltyMeatballs

Lems still haven't accepted the fact that 360 is last eventhough it released a year earlier?

Davekeeh

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Lems still haven't accepted the fact that 360 is last eventhough it released a year earlier?

kingtito

And yet not a peep from Sony saying it surpassed the 360. 

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Lems still haven't accepted the fact that 360 is last eventhough it released a year earlier?

kingtito

Nice try, 360 is in last place buddy #DealwithitKaz_Son

Proof?

Launch lineup disapointments? Lets get one thing straight here - the biggest launch games for both consoles are not Ryse, Dead Rising, Killzone, Zoo Tycoon, or Knack (lol). No, the biggest launch games for these consoles, without a shadow of a doubt are:

Call of Duty Ghosts
Battlefield 4
Watch_Dogs
Assassin's Creed 4
Madden 14
Fifa 14
Need for Speed Rivals
Minecraft
LEGO Marvel
Disney Infinity & Skylanders 

Launch lineup exclusives don't matter when it comes to console adoption at all. They're nice, they demonstrate the far reaching capabilities of their respective systems better than most titles, but understand that these are games - whose development are set against moving hardware targets, constant SDK revisions,  and nebulous launch dates, while they are hammered for pre-release demo builds at every major convention (which eat up massive amounts of dev. time better spent on optimization)- literally won't matter to consumers come next holiday season, when hopefully the supply issues have disippated and word of mouth has penetrated enough people to make them consider switching.

You're example is like saying that people were loving the 360 for Kameo and Perfect Dark Zero, when it wasn't until Gears of War (about a year later) that the system REALLY took off as far as mass public consumption, both in sales and in games quality.

Also, as for the public perception that you feel the Playstation brand still has, understand that the idea that Sony caught up (or according to some reports surpassed) to the 360's sales lead is indicator enough that the Playstation brand recovered from what is without question one of the worst product launch situations ever. And that wasn't a situation that resolved itself in a few months or by 180ing some policy after the fact, that took years of price cuts and spending tons of money to streamline the development environment on their architecture just for games to hit PARITY.

Really Lems, you still can't accept the fact that PS3 is ahead ROLFLMAO. PS3 has been outselling 360 all year and was ahead at the end of last year. 360 is a good console and all but Cmon guys, stop being delusional. 

[QUOTE="Kaz_Son"]Nice try, 360 is in last place buddy #Dealwithitsuper600

Proof?

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Lems still haven't accepted the fact that 360 is last eventhough it released a year earlier?

DerekLoffin

So we have to go by "reasonable ASSumption" instead of going by Sony's OWN numbers? There is a reason Sony combined the sales of PS3/PS2 numbers. So going by "reasonable ASSumption" one could say the PS3 is actually in 3rd because Sony needed to combine numbers to make it look close. OR you could say using "reasonable ASSumption" the PS3 is in 3rd by the fact that Sony has NOT mentioned passing the 360 in total sales when you know they would be singing to high heaven if they did.

Are those the types of "reasonable ASSumption" you're looking for?

It depends on how you choose to define last place. PS3 trailed for a while but has surpassed 360 in global sales because of Europe and Japan. However, 360 was a much greater financial success than PS3 was so I'm thinking the suits see it as a win for MS.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="Kaz_Son"]Nice try, 360 is in last place buddy #DealwithitDerekLoffin

Proof?

It depends on how you choose to define last place. PS3 trailed for a while but has surpassed 360 in global sales because of Europe and Japan. However, 360 was a much greater financial success than PS3 was so I'm thinking the suits see it as a win for MS.

Wickerman777

It depends on how you choose to define last place. PS3 trailed for a while but has surpassed 360 in global sales because of Europe and Japan. However, 360 was a much greater financial success than PS3 was so I'm thinking the suits see it as a win for MS.

Wickerman777

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

It depends on how you choose to define last place. PS3 trailed for a while but has surpassed 360 in global sales because of Europe and Japan. However, 360 was a much greater financial success than PS3 was so I'm thinking the suits see it as a win for MS.

kingtito

And where are these OFFICIAL numbers? Usually all I see when it comes to that is sales for N. America and 360 has clearly dominated PS3 there. But in Europe and Japan PS3 has been outselling 360 for a while.

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="kingtito"] Not according to Sony's COMBINED PS2/PS3 numbers it's not. The PS3 is still behind the 360 if we go by Sony and MS offical numbers. Not sure why it's so hard for you to accept that fact. kingtito

So we have to go by "reasonable ASSumption" instead of going by Sony's OWN numbers? There is a reason Sony combined the sales of PS3/PS2 numbers. So going by "reasonable ASSumption" one could say the PS3 is actually in 3rd because Sony needed to combine numbers to make it look close. OR you could say using "reasonable ASSumption" the PS3 is in 3rd by the fact that Sony has NOT mentioned passing the 360 in total sales when you know they would be singing to high heaven if they did.

Are those the types of "reasonable ASSumption" you're looking for?

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="super600"]

Proof?

Jakandsigz

It's a mistake to claim the PS3 is in last place WW, US sure..WW not so much.

Disregarding that old argument for a moment though, Sony did a ton to repair Playstation's image following the PS3 launch and it has obviously worked, because despite mostly so-so software offerings the PS4 is already kicking tail and taking names three months before launch. It appears to be doing better than the XBONE in the pre-order race..in the US.

Add on the fact that Nintendo is currently dead in the US with the Wii U which is the first time you could say that about one of their home consoles here, oh..ever and you've got a recipe for a resurgent Sony.

TC must have been living under a rock these past few months.    PS3 is not in last place and PS4 preorders are utterly annihilating XBOX One preorders.   It's already been confirmed in most peoples minds that PS4 will be the dominate of next gen.  First place, no crystal ball required.  It's just common sense.

But all you guys going on and on about PS3 sales forget that of the 3 consoles this gen the PS3 turned the least profits BY FAR. In the business world that's a clear loss for them.

[QUOTE="kingtito"]

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] You should probably try again. Those numbers, only under a VERY GIVING assumption of PS2 sales for the year would keep MS in 2nd. Any reasonable assumption puts PS3 in 2nd. Not that it really matters, they are both so close that the error percentages in the numbers are higher than the diff.DerekLoffin

So we have to go by "reasonable ASSumption" instead of going by Sony's OWN numbers? There is a reason Sony combined the sales of PS3/PS2 numbers. So going by "reasonable ASSumption" one could say the PS3 is actually in 3rd because Sony needed to combine numbers to make it look close. OR you could say using "reasonable ASSumption" the PS3 is in 3rd by the fact that Sony has NOT mentioned passing the 360 in total sales when you know they would be singing to high heaven if they did.

Are those the types of "reasonable ASSumption" you're looking for?

 The last time I checked the PS3 was rather close to the Xbox 360.I would subtract about 2-3 million from that 80.4 million because of the PS2.And an article GS released awhile ago revealed that xbox 360 sold over 78 million.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

It depends on how you choose to define last place. PS3 trailed for a while but has surpassed 360 in global sales because of Europe and Japan. However, 360 was a much greater financial success than PS3 was so I'm thinking the suits see it as a win for MS.

And where are these OFFICIAL numbers? Usually all I see when it comes to that is sales for N. America and 360 has clearly dominated PS3 there. But in Europe and Japan PS3 has been outselling 360 for a while.

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="kingtito"]

So we have to go by "reasonable ASSumption" instead of going by Sony's OWN numbers? There is a reason Sony combined the sales of PS3/PS2 numbers. So going by "reasonable ASSumption" one could say the PS3 is actually in 3rd because Sony needed to combine numbers to make it look close. OR you could say using "reasonable ASSumption" the PS3 is in 3rd by the fact that Sony has NOT mentioned passing the 360 in total sales when you know they would be singing to high heaven if they did.

Are those the types of "reasonable ASSumption" you're looking for?

super600

Where are you getting that number from? The last time I checked the PS3 was rather close to the Xbox 360.

It's a mistake to claim the PS3 is in last place WW, US sure..WW not so much.

Disregarding that old argument for a moment though, Sony did a ton to repair Playstation's image following the PS3 launch and it has obviously worked, because despite mostly so-so software offerings the PS4 is already kicking tail and taking names three months before launch. It appears to be doing better than the XBONE in the pre-order race..in the US.

Add on the fact that Nintendo is currently dead in the US with the Wii U which is the first time you could say that about one of their home consoles here, oh..ever and you've got a recipe for a resurgent Sony.

Aidenfury19

No one knows the actual sales numbers for the PS3.Both consoles are pretty much tied at this point.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="kingtito"] Again, going by Sony's OFFCIAL numbers it didn't pass the 360. Why are you guys trying to use "projections and analyst predictions" instead of using Sony's OWN numbers. Let's not forget they're combined numbers at that. kingtito

And where are these OFFICIAL numbers? Usually all I see when it comes to that is sales for N. America and 360 has clearly dominated PS3 there. But in Europe and Japan PS3 has been outselling 360 for a while.

Edit: And just for the sake of repeating, the 80 included some PS2 sales so even that one isn't comparable, but definitely not proof of 360 being in 2nd.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] The Point is, MS numbers put them at 77, Sony's at 80, YOU ARE ASSUMING that PS2 sold enough to off set that 80 below the 77.DerekLoffin

Where are you getting that number from? The last time I checked the PS3 was rather close to the Xbox 360.

The actual number was 80.4 million including the PS2. The PS2 probably took around 3 million of the 80.4 million.The current numbers for the Xbox 360 are around 78 million. Both consoles are pretty much tied right now.

Here is were I'm getting that info from. The data about the PS3's sales may be slightly off in that article

http://www.gamespot.com//news/782-million-xbox-360s-sold-6411865?

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="super600"]

 

Where are you getting that number from? The last time I checked the PS3 was rather close to the Xbox 360.

super600

The actual number was 80.4 million including the PS2. The PS2 probably took around 3 million of the 80.4 million.The current numbers for the Xbox 360 are around 78 million. TBoth consoles are pretty much tied right now.

You should probably try again. Those numbers, only under a VERY GIVING assumption of PS2 sales for the year would keep MS in 2nd. Any reasonable assumption puts PS3 in 2nd. Not that it really matters, they are both so close that the error percentages in the numbers are higher than the diff.DerekLoffin

So we have to go by "reasonable ASSumption" instead of going by Sony's OWN numbers? There is a reason Sony combined the sales of PS3/PS2 numbers. So going by "reasonable ASSumption" one could say the PS3 is actually in 3rd because Sony needed to combine numbers to make it look close. OR you could say using "reasonable ASSumption" the PS3 is in 3rd by the fact that Sony has NOT mentioned passing the 360 in total sales when you know they would be singing to high heaven if they did.

Are those the types of "reasonable ASSumption" you're looking for?

Nice try, 360 is in last place buddy #DealwithitKaz_Son

So we have to go by "reasonable ASSumption" instead of going by Sony's OWN numbers? There is a reason Sony combined the sales of PS3/PS2 numbers. So going by "reasonable ASSumption" one could say the PS3 is actually in 3rd because Sony needed to combine numbers to make it look close. OR you could say using "reasonable ASSumption" the PS3 is in 3rd by the fact that Sony has NOT mentioned passing the 360 in total sales when you know they would be singing to high heaven if they did.

Are those the types of "reasonable ASSumption" you're looking for?

Let's not forget that XBOX360 had a 1 year head start and PS3 still caught up. 

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] The Point is, MS numbers put them at 77, Sony's at 80, YOU ARE ASSUMING that PS2 sold enough to off set that 80 below the 77.DerekLoffin

Let's not forget that XBOX360 had a 1 year head start and PS3 still caught up. 

Crossel777

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] The Point is, MS numbers put them at 77, Sony's at 80, YOU ARE ASSUMING that PS2 sold enough to off set that 80 below the 77.DerekLoffin

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="kingtito"] Where did you get those numbers?kingtito