Will we see the 360 join its big brother in piracy-land?

Just noticed what must be a first; the 360 version of a simultaneous-release multi-platform game (Fallout 3) winding up on BitTorrent BEFORE the PC version (which hasn't leaked). What's more, it seems incredibly easy to mod a 360 and pirate games, from what reading I've done. Is this going to eventually, as more people cotton on to it, cause a similar situation on the 360 to what we see now with PC games?

Just noticed what must be a first; the 360 version of a simultaneous-release multi-platform game (Fallout 3) winding up on BitTorrent BEFORE the PC version (which hasn't leaked). What's more, it seems incredibly easy to mod a 360 and pirate games, from what reading I've done. Is this going to eventually, as more people cotton on to it, cause a similar situation on the 360 to what we see now with PC games?

Richard7666

M$ can stay above the curve with Xbox Live...luckily, that's been a success, so they can keep tabs on those gamers. For the gamers that don't use LIVE, there's not much they can do.

In the 360 pirating scene, the pirates tend to have Two 360's, one for Online, and one for pirating, but I don't see this being a mainstream problem yet. Many 360 owners want the Online experience, and don't own Two consoles, nor have the means to pirate.

PS2 had the same problem. Nothing drastic happened.

[QUOTE="Richard7666"]

Just noticed what must be a first; the 360 version of a simultaneous-release multi-platform game (Fallout 3) winding up on BitTorrent BEFORE the PC version (which hasn't leaked). What's more, it seems incredibly easy to mod a 360 and pirate games, from what reading I've done. Is this going to eventually, as more people cotton on to it, cause a similar situation on the 360 to what we see now with PC games?

SolidTy

M$ can stay above the curve with Xbox Live...luckily, that's been a success, so they can keep tabs on those gamers. For the gamers that don't use LIVE, there's not much they can do.

In the 360 pirating scene, the pirates tend to have Two 360's, one for Online, and one for pirating, but I don't see this being a mainstream problem yet. Many 360 owners want the Online experience, and don't own Two consoles, nor have the means to pirate.

PS2 had the same problem. Nothing drastic happened.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Richard7666"]

Just noticed what must be a first; the 360 version of a simultaneous-release multi-platform game (Fallout 3) winding up on BitTorrent BEFORE the PC version (which hasn't leaked). What's more, it seems incredibly easy to mod a 360 and pirate games, from what reading I've done. Is this going to eventually, as more people cotton on to it, cause a similar situation on the 360 to what we see now with PC games?

EuroMafia

M$ can stay above the curve with Xbox Live...luckily, that's been a success, so they can keep tabs on those gamers. For the gamers that don't use LIVE, there's not much they can do.

In the 360 pirating scene, the pirates tend to have Two 360's, one for Online, and one for pirating, but I don't see this being a mainstream problem yet. Many 360 owners want the Online experience, and don't own Two consoles, nor have the means to pirate.

We will see if that new update curbs that.

Check torrent, and tell me what you think of the PS3, Wii, DS, PSP, PS2, Xbox, GC games available for download. It's not just PC or the 360. People think it's only the PC cause it's easier on that platform, but piracy actually affects all platforms. siafni

There is no torrent for ps3 games because the ps3 has never been hacked on the other hand it seems piracy is worse on the wii than 360

Yeah its been on torrent sites for over a day or two, and has been downloaded en masse by people.

It was far far worse when GTA IV was leaked a week early though - it was liked the gate of piracy hell opened up.

Oh and the Wii and 360 are pretty pirate friendly, Wii especially. Handhelds moreso.

Just noticed what must be a first; the 360 version of a simultaneous-release multi-platform game (Fallout 3) winding up on BitTorrent BEFORE the PC version (which hasn't leaked). What's more, it seems incredibly easy to mod a 360 and pirate games, from what reading I've done. Is this going to eventually, as more people cotton on to it, cause a similar situation on the 360 to what we see now with PC games?

Richard7666

It was the same with the ps2. It was easy to mod and pirate games, however I don't see sony complaining about it.

its much easier on PC.....and there's basically no repercussionsMikeE21286

Check torrent, and tell me what you think of the PS3, Wii, DS, PSP, PS2, Xbox, GC games available for download. It's not just PC or the 360. People think it's only the PC cause it's easier on that platform, but piracy actually affects all platforms. siafni

PS3 piracy is basically non-existant. Sure some people have ripped the games and put them up for download, but there is no way to get a non-legit PS3 game to run on the hardware, so its basically pointless.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]its much easier on PC.....and there's basically no repercussionsskrat_01

This comment is uneducated. Yes there is....Bricked Wii systems and Xbox LIVE bannings are pretty serious/frequent penalties to pay

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]its much easier on PC.....and there's basically no repercussionsskrat_01

First on the PC its easy to pirate games. Download and play. On the 360 you have to burn the game onto a disc. Second if your 360 breaks you are SOL. MS isn't going to fix it and if you need a new Motherboard then you are screwed. Also if you the new dashboard bricks modded 360s then I am going to laugh my ass off. So there are some big repercussions for pirating 360 games.

Unless I'm mistaken, 360 games are already being pirated. And I'm not talking about torrents either; I've seen fake 360 games being sold over here. Unfortunately, piracy laws aren't as stringent compared to the US.

I think that's a lemmings' reaction to what Cliff B said the other day (about console players not being smart enough to pirate games), so they decided to prove him wrong :) Looks like they succeded...Arronaxxx

Its just as easy to pirate on 360 as it is on PC, the thing is the vast majority of the 360 user base isnt exposed to pirating or even know how to do it. The most experience theyve had with pirating is probably bottleged movies.TheGrat1

pirating your xbox is much harder then pirating a pc game, to pirate an xbox game you need to mod your xbox first which is not that easy, to pirate a pc game you have to do absoultly nothing other then download the game. heck even i can pirate pc games, but my pc doesn't run them soo i don't really bother.

[QUOTE="TheGrat1"]Its just as easy to pirate on 360 as it is on PC, the thing is the vast majority of the 360 user base isnt exposed to pirating or even know how to do it. The most experience theyve had with pirating is probably bottleged movies.tomertr

pirating your xbox is much harder then pirating a pc game, to pirate an xbox game you need to mod your xbox first which is not that easy, to pirate a pc game you have to do absoultly nothing other then download the game. heck even i can pirate pc games, but my pc doesn't run them soo i don't really bother.

And Microsoft can detect if a pirated game has been launched from the machine. So basically, they can completely ban the account from accessing LIVE, and at one point they actually locked an entire console down.

[QUOTE="siafni"]Check torrent, and tell me what you think of the PS3, Wii, DS, PSP, PS2, Xbox, GC games available for download. It's not just PC or the 360. People think it's only the PC cause it's easier on that platform, but piracy actually affects all platforms. micky4889

There is no torrent for ps3 games because the ps3 has never been hacked on the other hand it seems piracy is worse on the wii than 360

ps3 hasnt been hacked? what about those stolen credit card numbers over psn a couple months ago?

[QUOTE="micky4889"]

[QUOTE="siafni"]Check torrent, and tell me what you think of the PS3, Wii, DS, PSP, PS2, Xbox, GC games available for download. It's not just PC or the 360. People think it's only the PC cause it's easier on that platform, but piracy actually affects all platforms. BillCutting

There is no torrent for ps3 games because the ps3 has never been hacked on the other hand it seems piracy is worse on the wii than 360

ps3 hasnt been hacked? what about those stolen credit card numbers over psn a couple months ago?

It has never been hacked because Sony has no means of detecting it due to PSN.

[QUOTE="micky4889"]

[QUOTE="siafni"]Check torrent, and tell me what you think of the PS3, Wii, DS, PSP, PS2, Xbox, GC games available for download. It's not just PC or the 360. People think it's only the PC cause it's easier on that platform, but piracy actually affects all platforms. BillCutting

There is no torrent for ps3 games because the ps3 has never been hacked on the other hand it seems piracy is worse on the wii than 360

ps3 hasnt been hacked? what about those stolen credit card numbers over psn a couple months ago?

I was referring to it been hacked to play downloaded games

And what your were talking about is nothing new it happen on live not so long ago aswell

[QUOTE="BillCutting"][QUOTE="micky4889"]

[QUOTE="siafni"]Check torrent, and tell me what you think of the PS3, Wii, DS, PSP, PS2, Xbox, GC games available for download. It's not just PC or the 360. People think it's only the PC cause it's easier on that platform, but piracy actually affects all platforms. stappy

There is no torrent for ps3 games because the ps3 has never been hacked on the other hand it seems piracy is worse on the wii than 360

ps3 hasnt been hacked? what about those stolen credit card numbers over psn a couple months ago?

It has never been hacked because Sony has no means of detecting it due to PSN.

[QUOTE="BillCutting"][QUOTE="micky4889"]

[QUOTE="siafni"]Check torrent, and tell me what you think of the PS3, Wii, DS, PSP, PS2, Xbox, GC games available for download. It's not just PC or the 360. People think it's only the PC cause it's easier on that platform, but piracy actually affects all platforms. stappy

There is no torrent for ps3 games because the ps3 has never been hacked on the other hand it seems piracy is worse on the wii than 360

ps3 hasnt been hacked? what about those stolen credit card numbers over psn a couple months ago?

It has never been hacked because Sony has no means of detecting it due to PSN.

[QUOTE="stappy"][QUOTE="BillCutting"][QUOTE="micky4889"]

[QUOTE="siafni"]Check torrent, and tell me what you think of the PS3, Wii, DS, PSP, PS2, Xbox, GC games available for download. It's not just PC or the 360. People think it's only the PC cause it's easier on that platform, but piracy actually affects all platforms. heretrix

There is no torrent for ps3 games because the ps3 has never been hacked on the other hand it seems piracy is worse on the wii than 360

ps3 hasnt been hacked? what about those stolen credit card numbers over psn a couple months ago?

It has never been hacked because Sony has no means of detecting it due to PSN.

The PS3 cannot play pirated games. What does blu-ray being hacked have to do with PS3 games? Nothing.

The PS3 cannot play pirated games. What does blu-ray being hacked have to do with PS3 games? Nothing.

Jamex1987

Let me put it this way, It's only a matter of time until it happens, if it hasn't already.

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"]

The PS3 cannot play pirated games. What does blu-ray being hacked have to do with PS3 games? Nothing.

heretrix

Let me put it this way, It's only a matter of time until it happens, if it hasn't already.

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Jamex1987"]

The PS3 cannot play pirated games. What does blu-ray being hacked have to do with PS3 games? Nothing.

Jamex1987

Let me put it this way, It's only a matter of time until it happens, if it hasn't already.

I can't think of one piece of game media that hasn't been cracked yet. If somebody can make it, somebody can break it. Cracking Blu-ray isn't impossible, It's just impractical (for the time being). But whatever. I buy my games so I don't give a crap.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]its much easier on PC.....and there's basically no repercussionsMikeE21286

This comment is uneducated. Yes there is....Bricked Wii systems and Xbox LIVE bannings are pretty serious/frequent penalties to pay

Hell I know first hand, modding is legal here, and a few friends of mine mod all their consoles.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]its much easier on PC.....and there's basically no repercussionsPS3_3DO

First on the PC its easy to pirate games. Download and play. On the 360 you have to burn the game onto a disc. Second if your 360 breaks you are SOL. MS isn't going to fix it and if you need a new Motherboard then you are screwed. Also if you the new dashboard bricks modded 360s then I am going to laugh my ass off. So there are some big repercussions for pirating 360 games.

A friend who modded his Xbox had it RROD, he simply had it fixed by the same guy who modded it. Hell in the Trading Post here there are ads everywhere for console modders and 'repairers'. I had to visit one to get my Dreamcasts laser repaired after it burned out.

As for the new dashboard and whatnot, it doesn't really matter, people just run dual firmwares - if one screws up, they can just reflash it - running pirated games on one, and legit on the other.

personally though, all my consoles are unmoded, bar a boot disk I got with my second hand Dreamcast

[QUOTE="Jamex1987"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Jamex1987"]

The PS3 cannot play pirated games. What does blu-ray being hacked have to do with PS3 games? Nothing.

heretrix

Let me put it this way, It's only a matter of time until it happens, if it hasn't already.

I can't think of one piece of game media that hasn't been cracked yet. If somebody can make it, somebody can break it. Cracking Blu-ray isn't impossible, It's just impractical (for the time being). But whatever. I buy my games so I don't give a crap.

dude you have no idea of what your talking about

blu ray being cracked means nothing thats like me saying i can play 360 games for free because dvd has been cracked lol

the game has to be digitally signed to alow the xbm to play it and in order to crack that you need the ps3 source code which to this day has not been compromised

The PS3 was compromised when Linux was allowed to be installed. There are many ways around the Blu-Ray disk when you have linux installedcrazycolt1234

Wrong even with linux installed you still cant play ps3 backups

Theres a reson why sony is not allowing the RSX and the main core on the CELL to be used in linux

The PS3 was compromised when Linux was allowed to be installed. There are many ways around the Blu-Ray disk when you have linux installedcrazycolt1234

but u cant play Ps3 backups on it ... and thats the whole point in discussion here

360 is hacked almost right from the launch date yet software sales are out of this world from day one .

People don't want to risk breaking warranty or get banned from Live .

[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Jamex1987"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Jamex1987"]

The PS3 cannot play pirated games. What does blu-ray being hacked have to do with PS3 games? Nothing.

micky4889

Let me put it this way, It's only a matter of time until it happens, if it hasn't already.

I can't think of one piece of game media that hasn't been cracked yet. If somebody can make it, somebody can break it. Cracking Blu-ray isn't impossible, It's just impractical (for the time being). But whatever. I buy my games so I don't give a crap.

dude you have no idea of what your talking about

blu ray being cracked means nothing thats like me saying i can play 360 games for free because dvd has been cracked lol

the game has to be digitally signed to alow the xbm to play it and in order to crack that you need the ps3 source code which to this day has not been compromised

Really? I can't believe how naive some people are.

360 is hacked almost right from the launch date yet software sales are out of this world from day one .

People don't want to risk breaking warranty or get banned from Live .

Caseytappy

lol, RROD, Microsofts weapon against piracy :P

[QUOTE="micky4889"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Jamex1987"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="Jamex1987"]

The PS3 cannot play pirated games. What does blu-ray being hacked have to do with PS3 games? Nothing.

heretrix

Let me put it this way, It's only a matter of time until it happens, if it hasn't already.

I can't think of one piece of game media that hasn't been cracked yet. If somebody can make it, somebody can break it. Cracking Blu-ray isn't impossible, It's just impractical (for the time being). But whatever. I buy my games so I don't give a crap.

dude you have no idea of what your talking about

blu ray being cracked means nothing thats like me saying i can play 360 games for free because dvd has been cracked lol

the game has to be digitally signed to alow the xbm to play it and in order to crack that you need the ps3 source code which to this day has not been compromised

Really? I can't believe how naive some people are.

I think he is trying to tell you that at the moment (today), no one has been able to run pirated PS3 games on the PS3.

dude you have no idea of what your talking about

blu ray being cracked means nothing thats like me saying i can play 360 games for free because dvd has been cracked lol

the game has to be digitally signed to alow the xbm to play it and in order to crack that you need the ps3 source code which to this day has not been compromised

micky4889

So what you are telling is that PS3 games will never be cracked? Are you telling me that Sony will manage to do this gen what no company that has offered digital content has been able to do?

Really? I can't believe how naive some people are.

heretrix

Learn to read before replying

[QUOTE="micky4889"]

dude you have no idea of what your talking about

blu ray being cracked means nothing thats like me saying i can play 360 games for free because dvd has been cracked lol

the game has to be digitally signed to alow the xbm to play it and in order to crack that you need the ps3 source code which to this day has not been compromised

micky4889

So what you are telling is that PS3 games will never be cracked? Are you telling me that Sony will manage to do this gen what no company that has offered digital content has been able to do?

Really? I can't believe how naive some people are.

heretrix

Learn to read before replying

It's quite convenient that you would also omit my original post. You say I have no idea what i'm talking about, yet you argue about the inevitable. Good going, scholar.

Nope. You still need mod chips. The average gamer isn't going to bust out a soldering iron and crack open their 360 nor will they buy a one from a shady shop based out of Taiwan.

The only way any console will get piracy as bad as the PC is when you don't need mod chips to play the games. If you can just DL a file, burn it to disc and start playing it (ie the dreamcast) then I think console piracy will take off. Until then, it'll still be an insane minority that do it. I've been console gaming for like 20 years now and I've only known 1 person in my life who actually owned a modded console.