Will you boycott LBP and Fable II?

This is really a bad precedent to support. This is the first gen where games aren't even completely shaken down for bugs because the publishers know that even if they rush the game out the door, they can just patch it later if people get mad.

Now we're getting games that are intentionally missing significant features, and the publishers expect us to put our faith in them and hope the promised features show up somewhere between just after launch and before people stop caring.

Whats next? Shipping the disc that only contains a license file which allows you to download the full game when it comes out 'real soon now'?

EDIT: One more thing. How are these games going to be reviewed? Are reviews going to hold off until the features are released, or are they going to pretend as if the features are there, or are they going to review the game based on whats on the actual disc?

lolwut?Fawlcon_Pawnch

Indeed. I can't believe some individuals are up in arms over this. We're getting the patch the week of release for both. Don't like it, buy it the week after. It doesn't matter.

Fable 2 will have online co-op within a week. People are making a huge deal out of this. >_>Ninja-Hippo

No, that is a lie. They are HOPING they can get a working patch out sometime during the week after launch. If they knew with 100% certainty that they could do this, they would have just delayed the game by one week. They can't make any promises.

[QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]lolwut?BioShockOwnz

Indeed. I can't believe some individuals are up in arms over this. We're getting the patch the week of release for both. Don't like it, buy it the week after. It doesn't matter.

That's assuming that it will happen. That's what they say, but unforseen circumstances do arise. The bigger issue is the acceptance of incomplete games. What's next?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Fable 2 will have online co-op within a week. People are making a huge deal out of this. >_>WillieBeamish

No, that is a lie. They are HOPING they can get a working patch out sometime during the week after launch. If they knew with 100% certainty that they could do this, they would have just delayed the game by one week. They can't make any promises.

Completely untrue. They have said very simply that the game will have online co-op applied in an update within a week of launch. It is much easier to simply do that than delay the shipping of a game. You act like delaying a worldwide release is as simple as just calling someone up and asking them to wait a little longer. Shipping a game is a huge operation.

No, I will buy them both launch day, but I hate supporting the idea of incomplete games shipping. This has been going on for awhile, and it's getting worse, imo.SolidTy

More proof that consoles are just turning into PCs. ;)

They're taking our trend of releasing incomplete games!!! :P

It won't really annoy me.

As long as the patches are free, I really won't care.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]lolwut?SolidTy

Indeed. I can't believe some individuals are up in arms over this. We're getting the patch the week of release for both. Don't like it, buy it the week after. It doesn't matter.

That's assuming that it will happen. That's what they say, but unforseen circumstances do arise. The bigger issue is the acceptance of incomplete games. What's next?

The games are complete. It's just lacking one mode until it's patch, which should be treated more as a bonus, seeing that very few games have decent co-op, or co-op at all.

Meh, its like dating someone new, you might not get everything that she can offer right away but eventually you'll get it down the line. So I will buy, play, and support these games.

whats incomplete about lbp?toast_burner

This is really a bad precedent to support. This is the first gen where games aren't even completely shaken down for bugs because the publishers know that even if they rush the game out the door, they can just patch it later if people get mad.

Now we're getting games that are intentionally missing significant features, and the publishers expect us to put our faith in them and hope the promised features show up somewhere between just after launch and before people stop caring.

Whats next? Shipping the disc that only contains a license file which allows you to download the full game when it comes out 'real soon now'?

EDIT: One more thing. How are these games going to be reviewed? Are reviews going to hold off until the features are released, or are they going to pretend as if the features are there, or are they going to review the game based on whats on the actual disc?

WillieBeamish

No getting both day one.

This is really a bad precedent to support. This is the first gen where games aren't even completely shaken down for bugs because the publishers know that even if they rush the game out the door, they can just patch it later if people get mad.

Now we're getting games that are intentionally missing significant features, and the publishers expect us to put our faith in them and hope the promised features show up somewhere between just after launch and before people stop caring.

Whats next? Shipping the disc that only contains a license file which allows you to download the full game when it comes out 'real soon now'?

EDIT: One more thing. How are these games going to be reviewed? Are reviews going to hold off until the features are released, or are they going to pretend as if the features are there, or are they going to review the game based on whats on the actual disc?

WillieBeamish

Soon games will say stuff like

Online Co-Op!*

*Fees apply to purchase feature

:lol:

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]whats incomplete about lbp?flatline711

Did you guys ever notice that the patches are always this magical "week" away? When Mass Defect came out it's patch was a "week" away, when Warhawk didn't record stats the fix was a "week" away.

There are plenty more examples but I think you get my drift. Maybe LPB and Fable won't fit the normal pattern but I doubt it and I certianly hope I'm wrong but I tend to apply past events to guess at the outcome of future events.Most times it works but every once in awhile things suprise me.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]lolwut?BioShockOwnz

Indeed. I can't believe some individuals are up in arms over this. We're getting the patch the week of release for both. Don't like it, buy it the week after. It doesn't matter.

And we should not be treating features we were expecting from the begining as a bonus if they come after the game is released

Its not that big of a deal as long as it is released pretty soon. I think within a month is soon but I also don't sell games after owning them for a week... maybe for that person a month is too long to wait.

If everything major is working fine, i'm happy. Fable II is a RPG so the major part of that is single player. LBP's big thing is making levels and sharing them. From what i've read, both of those aspects are totally fine. They are basically delaying bonus content imo. I don't mind that.

100% of people who can play the missing online content have an internet connection and will be able to get it as DLC when its released. The only thing i'd mine is if the box for the game said these features are on the disc and then you play it and they aren't there.

[QUOTE="Fawlcon_Pawnch"]lolwut?BioShockOwnz

Indeed. I can't believe some individuals are up in arms over this. We're getting the patch the week of release for both. Don't like it, buy it the week after. It doesn't matter.

That's what I plan to do. I'm disappointed, but I'm not going to lose sleep. When the coop is implemented I'll put down the $60.

Fable 2 will have online co-op within a week. People are making a huge deal out of this. >_>Ninja-Hippo

So all those moaning, if you were in charge you'd miss your release date purely because a relatively minor feature is not complete?

Do you have any idea how much damage missing launch does for your game??

Fable 2 will have online co-op within a week. People are making a huge deal out of this. >_>Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Fable 2 will have online co-op within a week. People are making a huge deal out of this. >_>Vandalvideo

EDIT: Knowing Peter it might not come at all.

I'm not sure about LBP, but regarding Fable II it's a matter of days. Boycotting the game for a couple of days seems quite utterly pointless and silly to me.

Sure, when games are released they should be complete, but is this really worth getting all upset about? Either the game would've been delayed a week, or it's released a week earlier and you wait a week for online co-op. I'm fine with either. I don't know why they're releasing these games with missing features, seems sort of weird, but to be honest I don't really care. As long as they keep their word and add the stuff shortly.

So all those moaning, if you were in charge you'd miss your release date purely because a relatively minor feature is not complete?

Do you have any idea how much damage missing launch does for your game??

speedsix

No, but you would have to expect some backlash as well. Not everyone is going to be, "What? No coop? You promise it'll be here in a week? No problem!"

i think it sucks. these little bits of patching here and there fills up already tiny harddrives.Cyberfairy

That's an interesting point. If these patches become the norm, how big will they be? Plus, we'll have to deal with the install quandry that PS3 users have.

Okay, I know, "Just buy a new harddrive!"