With game installations like PC why does PS3 or gaming need Blu-Ray?

Curiousity has gotten to me after I read that article about DMC4 requiring a mandatory 5GB installation on the PS3. Well my question is if games can be made to have a mandatory installation on the PS3 doesn't that bascially diminish the need or usage of Blu-Ray?

PC's don't need Blu-Ray because they have HDD's that they can put the game disc information on. PS3's are all equiped with standard HDD's (unlike 360's) and can by all means achieve the same kind of game installation that the PC is capable of.

Now with DMC4 having a "MANDATORY" installation, an installation similar to PC games doesn't that defeat the purpose of the Blu-Ray disc? (for gaming that is)

If need be why not just use the HDD to install games similar to how a PC does? Its not like a lot of games are going to need these kind of installations and what not. Hell DMC4 on 360 doesn't need one (makes me wonder why the PS3 needs one though but I guess someone who knows more about tech could explain that one)

So I guess the big question is, if PS3's can install games similar to how a PC installs games then what's with all the Blu-Ray is needed for gaming ect.

PC's can live without it. PS3 can install like PC's can. Is there something I'm missing here?

Honsetly, I would have been much more inclined to buy a PS3 at launch had it included a monster hard drive and a standard DVD drive.D0013ER

Same. I wonder how many buyers were turned away when they first saw that $600 pricetag at launch...

I would think developers would have better insight into this rather than a bunch of fanboys claiming it isn't and others claiming it is. Especially 99.9999% have never developed a game.hiryu3

the same developers that install gigs on the harddrive?
or the ones that touted Bluray for their big game and it turned out to not even need it (UT3)

[QUOTE="hiryu3"]I would think developers would have better insight into this rather than a bunch of fanboys claiming it isn't and others claiming it is. Especially 99.9999% have never developed a game.Ontain

the same developers that install gigs on the harddrive?
or the ones that touted Bluray for their big game and it turned out to not even need it (UT3)

I know! Let's take SONY'S word on the situation. After all, they created it. :roll:

I would think developers would have better insight into this rather than a bunch of fanboys claiming it isn't and others claiming it is. Especially 99.9999% have never developed a game.hiryu3

Why bother posting if you can't contribute to either end of a thread? I'm no tech genius. I'm asking why? Maybe you would do better to explain rather then rant angerly?

[QUOTE="D0013ER"]Honsetly, I would have been much more inclined to buy a PS3 at launch had it included a monster hard drive and a standard DVD drive.Verge_6

Same. I wonder how many buyers were turned away when they first saw that $600 pricetag at launch...

Blu_Ray is a home movie format. Sony put it on the PS3 in order to get an install base for it. Gaming on BR was an afterthought.gromit007

Sounds right to me. Sony is also a movie studio, so they wanted the DRM capabilities of BR. All divisions of Sony had their hands on this product in one way or another.

True HD says hi.

True HD says hi.

HAZE-Unit

So do buzzwords.

True HD says hi.

HAZE-Unit

are you implying that you can't get HD gaming from a dvd? :lol: tell that to pc games

True HD says hi.

HAZE-Unit

Can you explain what True HD is for um people such as myself that don't exactly know. 720P correct?

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Ontain

are you implying that you can't get HD gaming from a dvd? :lol: tell that to pc games

I don't think HD-DVD or Blu-Ray are the same as DVD.

As for how PCs work for gaming, it would give a better gaming experience when it comes with a HD disk.

True HD says hi.

HAZE-Unit

:lol: Thanks for the laugh, spud. HAven't heard that phrase since the PS3 launch days.

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Ontain

are you implying that you can't get HD gaming from a dvd? :lol: tell that to pc games

To my knowledge PC gaming can achieve resolutions higher then 1080P correct?

BluRay being put in PS3 by Sony had NOTHING todo with gaming- it was all about getting several million relatively cheap BluRay players onto the market in order to beat HD-DVD. & its worked- although the war isnt over yet- ask anybody & they'll tell you that BluRay is clearly winning & HD-DVD is dying a death.

PS3 could easily use DVD9 like Xbox360- BluRay is not needed- ive said this from the start.

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

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HAZE-Unit

are you implying that you can't get HD gaming from a dvd? :lol: tell that to pc games

I don't think HD-DVD or Blu-Ray are the same as DVD.

As for how PCs work for gaming, it would give a better gaming experience when it comes with a HD disk.

What are you talking about. You're going to have to explain yourself because nothing you say is making any sense.

True HD says hi.

HAZE-Unit

haha true HD anything from 1080i and up is true HD.

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

True HD says hi.

HAZE-Unit

are you implying that you can't get HD gaming from a dvd? :lol: tell that to pc games

I don't think HD-DVD or Blu-Ray are the same as DVD.

As for how PCs work for gaming, it would give a better gaming experience when it comes with a HD disk.

HD DVD and Blu-Ray are the same as DVD. They are also the same as a memory stick, a floppy disk, or a game cartridge. It is merely a medium that holds digital info in the form of 1's and 0's. HD information can be put on anything that holds digital info. But thanks for buying into Sony's marketing ploys.

I dont know. You have good points, but it's hard to deny that you can just fit a whole lot more on bluray disc then on a dvd. People always bring up compression, but is there a reason you can't do compression on a bluray disc for even MORE space? And, although there will always be installs and such, no console but the ps3 has the ability to install, which could have been the 360's saving grace, but whatever. All that space isn't needed for any game out today, but that might change by the end of the gen. Mark my words---THE PS3 WILL HAVE THE BEST GAMES OF THIS GEN, JUST LIKE THE N64 HAD.

In the far future, I imagine that not only will the quantity of information required for games increase exponentially, but also that bluray players will read the discs better than they are doing now.

Why did games move to dvd discs from cds huh? Then answer is space, and sooner or later dvd will be buckling

Curiousity has gotten to me after I read that article about DMC4 requiring a mandatory 5GB installation on the PS3. Well my question is if games can be made to have a mandatory installation on the PS3 doesn't that bascially diminish the need or usage of Blu-Ray?

PC's don't need Blu-Ray because they have HDD's that they can put the game disc information on. PS3's are all equiped with standard HDD's (unlike 360's) and can by all means achieve the same kind of game installation that the PC is capable of.

Now with DMC4 having a "MANDATORY" installation, an installation similar to PC games doesn't that defeat the purpose of the Blu-Ray disc? (for gaming that is)

If need be why not just use the HDD to install games similar to how a PC does? Its not like a lot of games are going to need these kind of installations and what not. Hell DMC4 on 360 doesn't need one (makes me wonder why the PS3 needs one though but I guess someone who knows more about tech could explain that one)

So I guess the big question is, if PS3's can install games similar to how a PC installs games then what's with all the Blu-Ray is needed for gaming ect.

PC's can live without it. PS3 can install like PC's can. Is there something I'm missing here?

Blackbond

Umm Ahem... :roll:

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

True HD says hi.

Blackbond

are you implying that you can't get HD gaming from a dvd? :lol: tell that to pc games

To my knowledge PC gaming can achieve resolutions higher then 1080P correct?

yes PC gaming can achieve resolutions higher than 1080p. also most games on consoles aren't even 1080p. most are 720p.

Umm Ahem... :roll:

A_New_Life

:roll:

That has nothing to do with the games. Besides, if I wanted a BR player, there are cheaper alternatives to the PS3 now.

Umm Ahem... :roll:

A_New_Life

read the title. if that's your answer you basically say it's only for movies and nothing for games.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Curiousity has gotten to me after I read that article about DMC4 requiring a mandatory 5GB installation on the PS3. Well my question is if games can be made to have a mandatory installation on the PS3 doesn't that bascially diminish the need or usage of Blu-Ray?

PC's don't need Blu-Ray because they have HDD's that they can put the game disc information on. PS3's are all equiped with standard HDD's (unlike 360's) and can by all means achieve the same kind of game installation that the PC is capable of.

Now with DMC4 having a "MANDATORY" installation, an installation similar to PC games doesn't that defeat the purpose of the Blu-Ray disc? (for gaming that is)

If need be why not just use the HDD to install games similar to how a PC does? Its not like a lot of games are going to need these kind of installations and what not. Hell DMC4 on 360 doesn't need one (makes me wonder why the PS3 needs one though but I guess someone who knows more about tech could explain that one)

So I guess the big question is, if PS3's can install games similar to how a PC installs games then what's with all the Blu-Ray is needed for gaming ect.

PC's can live without it. PS3 can install like PC's can. Is there something I'm missing here?

A_New_Life

Umm Ahem... :roll:

What does this have to do with games?

[QUOTE="A_New_Life"]

Umm Ahem... :roll:

gromit007

:roll:

That has nothing to do with the games. Besides, if I wanted a BR player, there are cheaper alternatives to the PS3 now.

Thats the point/

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

True HD says hi.

gromit007

are you implying that you can't get HD gaming from a dvd? :lol: tell that to pc games

I don't think HD-DVD or Blu-Ray are the same as DVD.

As for how PCs work for gaming, it would give a better gaming experience when it comes with a HD disk.

HD DVD and Blu-Ray are the same as DVD. They are also the same as a memory stick, a floppy disk, or a game cartridge. It is merely a medium that holds digital info in the form of 1's and 0's. HD information can be put on anything that holds digital info. But thanks for buying into Sony's marketing ploys.

Read and educate yourself before you claim anything.

seeing assome 360s dont have an HDD a manditory load would be stupid on their part. i think Bluray is good for one thing, uncompressed sound so things sound much better. hmm, i guess lems are willing to get up and switch discs while cows just have to wait a little longer to load. we both win and lose get over it.river_rat3117

This is about why PS3 needs Blu-Ray not 360. Uncompressed Audio? Are you serious? Lemmings willing to switch discs? Tell me. What would require more movement. Getting up and switching a disc or using the Tilt Features of the Six-Axis while playing a game?

Seriously comments like yours aren't needed.

[QUOTE="A_New_Life"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Curiousity has gotten to me after I read that article about DMC4 requiring a mandatory 5GB installation on the PS3. Well my question is if games can be made to have a mandatory installation on the PS3 doesn't that bascially diminish the need or usage of Blu-Ray?

PC's don't need Blu-Ray because they have HDD's that they can put the game disc information on. PS3's are all equiped with standard HDD's (unlike 360's) and can by all means achieve the same kind of game installation that the PC is capable of.

Now with DMC4 having a "MANDATORY" installation, an installation similar to PC games doesn't that defeat the purpose of the Blu-Ray disc? (for gaming that is)

If need be why not just use the HDD to install games similar to how a PC does? Its not like a lot of games are going to need these kind of installations and what not. Hell DMC4 on 360 doesn't need one (makes me wonder why the PS3 needs one though but I guess someone who knows more about tech could explain that one)

So I guess the big question is, if PS3's can install games similar to how a PC installs games then what's with all the Blu-Ray is needed for gaming ect.

PC's can live without it. PS3 can install like PC's can. Is there something I'm missing here?

Ramadear

Umm Ahem... :roll:

What does this have to do with what he said?

Sony just stuck BD in there to win the stupid format wars...

It was never about games.

:roll:

That has nothing to do with the games. Besides, if I wanted a BR player, there are cheaper alternatives to the PS3 now.

gromit007

Read and educate yourself before you claim anything.

HAZE-Unit

You are in no position to judge, believe me.

[QUOTE="gromit007"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

True HD says hi.

HAZE-Unit

are you implying that you can't get HD gaming from a dvd? :lol: tell that to pc games

I don't think HD-DVD or Blu-Ray are the same as DVD.

As for how PCs work for gaming, it would give a better gaming experience when it comes with a HD disk.

HD DVD and Blu-Ray are the same as DVD. They are also the same as a memory stick, a floppy disk, or a game cartridge. It is merely a medium that holds digital info in the form of 1's and 0's. HD information can be put on anything that holds digital info. But thanks for buying into Sony's marketing ploys.

Read and educate yourself before you claim anything.

I am right and you are wrong. Nothing more, nothing less.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Read and educate yourself before you claim anything.

Ramadear

You are in no position to judge, believe me.

Thems fighting words sonny.

Kick his ass Sea Bass!! :P

Internets is sooo serious :lol:

[QUOTE="river_rat3117"]seeing assome 360s dont have an HDD a manditory load would be stupid on their part. i think Bluray is good for one thing, uncompressed sound so things sound much better. hmm, i guess lems are willing to get up and switch discs while cows just have to wait a little longer to load. we both win and lose get over it.Blackbond

This is about why PS3 needs Blu-Ray not 360. Uncompressed Audio? Are you serious? Lemmings willing to switch discs? Tell me. What would require more movement. Getting up and switching a disc or using the Tilt Features of the Six-Axis while playing a game?

Seriously comments like yours aren't needed.

LOL nice comparison you did there. Motion controls require a lot more movement than changing a disc. lol pretty funny.

[QUOTE="hiryu3"]I would think developers would have better insight into this rather than a bunch of fanboys claiming it isn't and others claiming it is. Especially 99.9999% have never developed a game.Blackbond

Why bother posting if you can't contribute to either end of a thread? I'm no tech genius. I'm asking why? Maybe you would do better to explain rather then rant angerly?

First I can post anything I want to anywhere I want to and that was my point. And maybe you should not accuse people of something you do not know. Why would I be angry with people I have no reason to be concerned about?

My whole point is that the developers are the ones that know the true advantages to blu-ray not games. Some like Naughty Dog used the blu-ray for storing uncompressed data and used the hdd for a buffer so that the game can stream data from the blu-ray to the HDD in the background. Others like Motorstorm used the disc for uncompressed data but used it totally and the long load screens are the reason for that.

Again my point was the developers have the choice to use the technology or not and then to optimize it to make it even better but that is their choice. SO to say what is or not needed from a non-developer perspective is pointless unless there are developers in the forums that are current working with this.

I am right and you are wrong. Nothing more, nothing less.gromit007

Ya, you are right just like when you compared a console with a handheld. :lol:

I sense hostility and a great deal of personal anger in this thread :|Blackbond

That happens in 99.9999% of SW threads.... :P

[QUOTE="gromit007"]

I am right and you are wrong. Nothing more, nothing less.HAZE-Unit

Ya, you are right just like when you compared a console with a handheld. :lol:

And that has what to do with your lack of knowledge about HD?

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Read and educate yourself before you claim anything.

Ramadear

You are in no position to judge, believe me.

Tell me this stuff when you become a developer, yu are just a random poster just like me.

Simple answer is it doesnt

Long answer is it doesnt, but it will within the next 2 years or so. Blu-ray will become a much more powerful aid well before the end of the PS3s life cycle.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="gromit007"]

I am right and you are wrong. Nothing more, nothing less.gromit007

Ya, you are right just like when you compared a console with a handheld. :lol:

And that has what to do with your lack of knowledge about HD?

That tells alot about your claimed logic.

[QUOTE="Ramadear"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Read and educate yourself before you claim anything.

HAZE-Unit

You are in no position to judge, believe me.

Tell me this stuff when you become a developer, yu are just a random poster just like me.

So, therefore, you have no idea what the hell you are talking about either, huh?

[QUOTE="gromit007"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="gromit007"]

I am right and you are wrong. Nothing more, nothing less.HAZE-Unit

Ya, you are right just like when you compared a console with a handheld. :lol:

And that has what to do with your lack of knowledge about HD?

That tells alot about your claimed logic.

Logic and knowledge are separate things. You have yet to show either in this thread.