With the new Engine... Developers will bring in more exclusive for the PS3

Killzone 2 has been in development for around four years now and is without a doubt the best looking game to date. Guerilla Games, developers of Killzone 2, have went the extra mile and have spent a large amount of time and effort producing an engine that looks gorgeous and works well. This title clearly shows what happens when you take the time to produce a quality game instead of releasing a new one every year.

Not only will this engine benefit Guerilla Games with Killzone 2, it will also benefit developers that use this engine and the future games that they produce. This is the reason why I feel more developers might come over to the PlayStation 3 to use this engine. Guerilla is not going to allow just anyone to use their engine that they have worked on for many years now. Most likely, the engine will stay with the PlayStation 3, meaning that any developer that decides to use this engine must keep that title exclusive to the PlayStation 3.

Killzone 2 has been in development for around four years now and is without a doubt the best looking game to date. Guerilla Games, developers of Killzone 2, have went the extra mile and have spent a large amount of time and effort producing an engine that looks gorgeous and works well. This title clearly shows what happens when you take the time to produce a quality game instead of releasing a new one every year.

Not only will this engine benefit Guerilla Games with Killzone 2, it will also benefit developers that use this engine and the future games that they produce. This is the reason why I feel more developers might come over to the PlayStation 3 to use this engine. Guerilla is not going to allow just anyone to use their engine that they have worked on for many years now. Most likely, the engine will stay with the PlayStation 3, meaning that any developer that decides to use this engine must keep that title exclusive to the PlayStation 3.

That's nice but:

1. I'm sure the amount of money it takes to get good results out of that engine is ridiculous
2. Why would any dev want to make a PS3 exclusive right now?
3. Back to point 2, PS3 software sales tell me that it won't be seeing many exclusives on that kind of engine.

That's nice but:

1. I'm sure the amount of money it takes to get good results out of that engine is ridiculous
2. Why would any dev want to make a PS3 exclusive right now?
3. Back to point 2, PS3 software sales tell me that it won't be seeing many exclusives on that kind of engine.

ActicEdge

This pretty much sums it up right here. Maybe all of the first party games will make use of it but I don't see too many third party developers rushing to the PS3 because of a new engine when Sony is struggling to sell software (didn't even crack the top ten chart of Jan) and the 360 has a bigger install base. If anything I'd expect to see more PS3 only games up over to the 360.

Killzone 2 has been in development for around four years now and is without a doubt the best looking game to date. Guerilla Games, developers of Killzone 2, have went the extra mile and have spent a large amount of time and effort producing an engine that looks gorgeous and works well. This title clearly shows what happens when you take the time to produce a quality game instead of releasing a new one every year.

Not only will this engine benefit Guerilla Games with Killzone 2, it will also benefit developers that use this engine and the future games that they produce. This is the reason why I feel more developers might come over to the PlayStation 3 to use this engine. Guerilla is not going to allow just anyone to use their engine that they have worked on for many years now. Most likely, the engine will stay with the PlayStation 3, meaning that any developer that decides to use this engine must keep that title exclusive to the PlayStation 3.

aka_aj03

[QUOTE="aka_aj03"]

Killzone 2 has been in development for around four years now and is without a doubt the best looking game to date. Guerilla Games, developers of Killzone 2, have went the extra mile and have spent a large amount of time and effort producing an engine that looks gorgeous and works well. This title clearly shows what happens when you take the time to produce a quality game instead of releasing a new one every year.

Not only will this engine benefit Guerilla Games with Killzone 2, it will also benefit developers that use this engine and the future games that they produce. This is the reason why I feel more developers might come over to the PlayStation 3 to use this engine. Guerilla is not going to allow just anyone to use their engine that they have worked on for many years now. Most likely, the engine will stay with the PlayStation 3, meaning that any developer that decides to use this engine must keep that title exclusive to the PlayStation 3.

savetehhaloz

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

That's nice but:

1. I'm sure the amount of money it takes to get good results out of that engine is ridiculous
2. Why would any dev want to make a PS3 exclusive right now?
3. Back to point 2, PS3 software sales tell me that it won't be seeing many exclusives on that kind of engine.

kejigoto

This pretty much sums it up right here. Maybe all of the first party games will make use of it but I don't see too many third party developers rushing to the PS3 because of a new engine when Sony is struggling to sell software (didn't even crack the top ten chart of Jan) and the 360 has a bigger install base. If anything I'd expect to see more PS3 only games up over to the 360.

Ha, the fanboys wish the situation was even that good.

1 PS3 game in the top 20 and its multiplat and selling far better on the 360. Like devs are gonna take this God engine, pour millions of dollars in to get good results, and then realize they made a mistake when there games has trouble cracking a million. PS3 software sales are crap which is why I don't see this engine being all that enticing to devs but who knows, maybe I'm wrong. :lol: Anyway, before people get all anal, this isn't the end of the PS3, it'll still get games and continue to get better.

Sony has plenty of decent tech in-house (Insomniac's engine, whatever Naughty Dog and Incognito have cooked up), but is it really going to change anything when Unreal 3.0 already runs on PS3, 360, and PC?lowe0

But that begs the question: why would a developer use the KZ2 engine when there are already a number of engines designed for multiplatform use?

That's nice but:

1. I'm sure the amount of money it takes to get good results out of that engine is ridiculous
2. Why would any dev want to make a PS3 exclusive right now?
3. Back to point 2, PS3 software sales tell me that it won't be seeing many exclusives on that kind of engine.

ActicEdge

The hardest part is making the engine. Understanding and using it is also difficult but takes a lot less time then making it.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Sony has plenty of decent tech in-house (Insomniac's engine, whatever Naughty Dog and Incognito have cooked up), but is it really going to change anything when Unreal 3.0 already runs on PS3, 360, and PC?Adrian_Cloud

But that begs the question: why would a developer use the KZ2 engine when there are already a number of engines designed for multiplatform use?

PBSnipes

yea thats a good point.

why would they isolate them selves to a console that has the smallest population of gamers?

for GoW3 it makes sense. coz the game is well established and guranteed to sell well.

But that begs the question: why would a developer use the KZ2 engine when there are already a number of engines designed for multiplatform use?

PBSnipes

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

But that begs the question: why would a developer use the KZ2 engine when there are already a number of engines designed for multiplatform use?

Giancar

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

But that begs the question: why would a developer use the KZ2 engine when there are already a number of engines designed for multiplatform use?

Giancar

Yeah I can see first party companies using the engines Sony has.

[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

But that begs the question: why would a developer use the KZ2 engine when there are already a number of engines designed for multiplatform use?

MrGrimFandango

[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

But that begs the question: why would a developer use the KZ2 engine when there are already a number of engines designed for multiplatform use?

masterflame10

Yeah I can see first party companies using the engines Sony has.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="lowe0"]Sony has plenty of decent tech in-house (Insomniac's engine, whatever Naughty Dog and Incognito have cooked up), but is it really going to change anything when Unreal 3.0 already runs on PS3, 360, and PC?lowe0

That's nice but:

1. I'm sure the amount of money it takes to get good results out of that engine is ridiculous
2. Why would any dev want to make a PS3 exclusive right now?
3. Back to point 2, PS3 software sales tell me that it won't be seeing many exclusives on that kind of engine.

ActicEdge

good points

Well there must also be a good economic reason for it in the first place, or every game in the industry would be multi-plat. Adrian_Cloud

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]Well there must also be a good economic reason for it in the first place, or every game in the industry would be multi-plat. lowe0

Where did you get this source from.

Or is this speculation your opinion?

[QUOTE="kejigoto"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

That's nice but:

1. I'm sure the amount of money it takes to get good results out of that engine is ridiculous
2. Why would any dev want to make a PS3 exclusive right now?
3. Back to point 2, PS3 software sales tell me that it won't be seeing many exclusives on that kind of engine.

ActicEdge

This pretty much sums it up right here. Maybe all of the first party games will make use of it but I don't see too many third party developers rushing to the PS3 because of a new engine when Sony is struggling to sell software (didn't even crack the top ten chart of Jan) and the 360 has a bigger install base. If anything I'd expect to see more PS3 only games up over to the 360.

Ha, the fanboys wish the situation was even that good.

1 PS3 game in the top 20 and its multiplat and selling far better on the 360. Like devs are gonna take this God engine, pour millions of dollars in to get good results, and then realize they made a mistake when there games has trouble cracking a million. PS3 software sales are crap which is why I don't see this engine being all that enticing to devs but who knows, maybe I'm wrong. :lol: Anyway, before people get all anal, this isn't the end of the PS3, it'll still get games and continue to get better.

Wii Fit....Wii play...Another mario kart rehash..."NEW" super mario bros...another mario kart rehash for the DS...Jillian micheals Fitness ultimatum 2009...Links "crossbow training"...My fitness coach...LEGO star wars..

oh...my god...

Wow..i guess its true that crap truly sells these days.

Thats why I dont care about sales these days.

it might be a great engine, but I don't think developers would come over to ps3 because of a great engine. With 360 28million install base its hard not to keep games on the 360. It's all about money. Ask square enix about that? kenmid

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"][QUOTE="kejigoto"]

This pretty much sums it up right here. Maybe all of the first party games will make use of it but I don't see too many third party developers rushing to the PS3 because of a new engine when Sony is struggling to sell software (didn't even crack the top ten chart of Jan) and the 360 has a bigger install base. If anything I'd expect to see more PS3 only games up over to the 360.

PSGamerforlife

Ha, the fanboys wish the situation was even that good.

1 PS3 game in the top 20 and its multiplat and selling far better on the 360. Like devs are gonna take this God engine, pour millions of dollars in to get good results, and then realize they made a mistake when there games has trouble cracking a million. PS3 software sales are crap which is why I don't see this engine being all that enticing to devs but who knows, maybe I'm wrong. :lol: Anyway, before people get all anal, this isn't the end of the PS3, it'll still get games and continue to get better.

Wii Fit....Wii play...Another mario kart rehash..."NEW" super mario bros...another mario kart rehash for the DS...Jillian micheals Fitness ultimatum 2009...Links "crossbow training"...My fitness coach...LEGO star wars..

oh...my god...

Wow..i guess its true that crap truly sells these days.

Thats why I dont care about sales these days.

[QUOTE="aka_aj03"]

Killzone 2 has been in development for around four years now and is without a doubt the best looking game to date. Guerilla Games, developers of Killzone 2, have went the extra mile and have spent a large amount of time and effort producing an engine that looks gorgeous and works well. This title clearly shows what happens when you take the time to produce a quality game instead of releasing a new one every year.

Not only will this engine benefit Guerilla Games with Killzone 2, it will also benefit developers that use this engine and the future games that they produce. This is the reason why I feel more developers might come over to the PlayStation 3 to use this engine. Guerilla is not going to allow just anyone to use their engine that they have worked on for many years now. Most likely, the engine will stay with the PlayStation 3, meaning that any developer that decides to use this engine must keep that title exclusive to the PlayStation 3.

kenmid

It's not all about money. If it were all about money then devs would have abandonned both those consoles to develop games for the wii a long time ago. I mean, it seems that devs want to make a game that the industry considers state of the art simply because that adds to the prestige of the studio, which makes it easier to attract people and investors.

That's just my reasoning however. I really thought the wii would get more attention at the start of the gen but that hasn't happened. There must be a reason for that. Besides, all it takes is a handful of superior titles for the PS3 to embarrass the 360. BTW, by superior i dont mean marginally better, mean very noticably better.

Engines do not make exclusives, having an audience does. If PS3 doesn't have the audience to justify the financial risk then the best engine in the world doesn't impact exclusives, all it changes is making the games that are already exclusive easier to make.

What appeals to developers today are engines like Unreal Engine 3 and and Tech 5, engines that make it cheaper and easier to develop cross platform games becase that is an audience no single platform can beat.

Killzone 2 has been in development for around four years now and is without a doubt the best looking game to date. Guerilla Games, developers of Killzone 2, have went the extra mile and have spent a large amount of time and effort producing an engine that looks gorgeous and works well. This title clearly shows what happens when you take the time to produce a quality game instead of releasing a new one every year.

Not only will this engine benefit Guerilla Games with Killzone 2, it will also benefit developers that use this engine and the future games that they produce. This is the reason why I feel more developers might come over to the PlayStation 3 to use this engine. Guerilla is not going to allow just anyone to use their engine that they have worked on for many years now. Most likely, the engine will stay with the PlayStation 3, meaning that any developer that decides to use this engine must keep that title exclusive to the PlayStation 3.

It's not all about money. If it were all about money then devs would have abandonned both those consoles to develop games for the wii a long time ago. I mean, it seems that devs want to make a game that the industry considers state of the art simply because that adds to the prestige of the studio, which makes it easier to attract people and investors.

That's just my reasoning however. I really thought the wii would get more attention at the start of the gen but that hasn't happened. There must be a reason for that. Besides, all it takes is a handful of superior titles for the PS3 to embarrass the 360. BTW, by superior i dont mean marginally better, mean very noticably better.

[QUOTE="PSGamerforlife"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Ha, the fanboys wish the situation was even that good.

1 PS3 game in the top 20 and its multiplat and selling far better on the 360. Like devs are gonna take this God engine, pour millions of dollars in to get good results, and then realize they made a mistake when there games has trouble cracking a million. PS3 software sales are crap which is why I don't see this engine being all that enticing to devs but who knows, maybe I'm wrong. :lol: Anyway, before people get all anal, this isn't the end of the PS3, it'll still get games and continue to get better.

Dibdibdobdobo

Wii Fit....Wii play...Another mario kart rehash..."NEW" super mario bros...another mario kart rehash for the DS...Jillian micheals Fitness ultimatum 2009...Links "crossbow training"...My fitness coach...LEGO star wars..

oh...my god...

Wow..i guess its true that crap truly sells these days.

Thats why I dont care about sales these days.

I know sales do matter for the industry, but I dont care about what sells the most, cos only crap sells the most these days, looking at charts over the past year and a half.

IT IS SAD! that the games i mentioned above will have a bigger influence than titles which are lightyears...gigaparasecs... better than them ...but all i know is big Sony exclusives always sell enough to make a profit, mostly a large profit.

Killzone 2 for example(which the dev and marketing cost is waaaay higher than any other PS3 exclusives), if it sells 1.3 million (which it will reach..too..too.. easily) will start generating a profit.

So I dont care about what sells the best, all I care for is if it sells good.

why do people believe to make a game running on the KZ2 engine will take 4 yrs... GG took 4 years including the time to CREATE the game engine.. having the game engine ready take much less time in creating a game specially if the Idea/planning/story of a game is already done...

You think if EPIC had to create a completely new game engine for GEOW2 it would have taken them only 2 yrs to make the sequel???? come on lets not be ridiculous..

why do people believe to make a game running on the KZ2 engine will take 4 yrs... GG took 4 years including the time to CREATE the game engine.. having the game engine ready take much less time in creating a game specially if the Idea/planning/story of a game is already done...

You think if EPIC had to create a completely new game engine for GEOW2 it would have taken them only 2 yrs to make the sequel???? come on lets not be ridiculous..

Malta_1980

[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

why do people believe to make a game running on the KZ2 engine will take 4 yrs... GG took 4 years including the time to CREATE the game engine.. having the game engine ready take much less time in creating a game specially if the Idea/planning/story of a game is already done...

You think if EPIC had to create a completely new game engine for GEOW2 it would have taken them only 2 yrs to make the sequel???? come on lets not be ridiculous..

SteezyZ

i agree with your comments... if GG made the engine with licensing in mind and all relevant stuff that comes with it, adding this with their eventual support to other devs I think talented people would manage to release a game using KZ2's engine in much less time (2 years for example)... but am no dev so obviously this is just an opinion..

IMHO, i don't think devs would want to rush in just because how people are impressed with KZ2 graphics engine.

Yes, by all means praise it however you like, it is arguably the best looking console game yet.

Here's what I would picture a scenario would be...

SONY: "Hey Dev X, why don't you jump on the bandwagon, use our graphics engine, and give us some good games to publish?"

Dev X: "I'm not sure. Are you even marginally more feasible as compared to developing a game with console Y and Z?"

SONY: "We're sure of it! It's easy! Just imagine we're lending you Kate Beckinsale, you just put on various makeup to make her look like how you want it to be. Then TADA! Instant awesome IP!"

Dev X: "Ok. If Kate Beckinsale's in on it, we're good to go!"

Moral

No matter how established/impressive/reliable the dev tools are, for other devs to use, graphically good-great games are still a product of hard work, a culmination of well thought-out critical minds, and a few up-the-sleeve tricks to make it look a lot sweeter.

I doubt anyone will make an exclusive game just so they can use the KZ2 engine.

But either way, they have good engines to work with: Assassins Creed, Capcom's Framework, Call of Duty, etc...