Without 360, I'd have to upgrade my PC and shell out a load of money :(

You know, I would be screwed if I didn't have a 360. In the same way that Automechanics make working on your car more convenient and often cheaper, 360 does the same thing for gaming.

I probably would NEVER have played games like FEAR and Gears and Mass Effect and Bioshock, etc. etc. if the 360 never came out.

I always hear about how the PC is stealing exclusives from the 360, but isn't the 360 stealing exclusives from the PC? Any argument that you could make about the PC hurting the 360 also can be shown to hurt the PC. Because face it, with the exception of MMORPGs, software games sell more on console. There's a bigger overall market, and its more convenient for the average 14-28 year old to go and plunk down 300-400 dollars on a console that has universal functionality with everygame they will buy for it for 4-6+ years and that requires no manual labor or knowledge to but together.

I'm not bashing PC, I'm just trying to understand how its an argument against getting a 360 but the 360 is not an argument against getting a gaming PC.

I can't afford a quality gaming PC at the moment, without my 360 I couldn't play Bioshock, COD4, Unreal ect. For that reason alone I think it's a great console, and I couldn't care less if the PC version has better controls or very minor improvements, I'm just grateful to get to play these games on a console, and that's all I care about.

I can't afford a quality gaming PC at the moment, without my 360 I couldn't play Bioshock, COD4, Unreal ect. For that reason alone I think it's a great console, and I couldn't care less if the PC version has better controls or very minor improvements, I'm just grateful to get to play these games on a console, and that's all I care about.

NickyJo

CoD 4 and UT3 is on the PS3.

You know, I would be screwed if I didn't have a 360. In the same way that Automechanics make working on your car more convenient and often cheaper, 360 does the same thing for gaming.

I probably would NEVER have played games like FEAR and Gears and Mass Effect and Bioshock, etc. etc. if the 360 never came out.

I always hear about how the PC is stealing exclusives from the 360, but isn't the 360 stealing exclusives from the PC? Any argument that you could make about the PC hurting the 360 also can be shown to hurt the PC. Because face it, with the exception of MMORPGs, software games sell more on console. There's a bigger overall market, and its more convenient for the average 14-28 year old to go and plunk down 300-400 dollars on a console that has universal functionality with everygame they will buy for it for 4-6+ years and that requires no manual labor or knowledge to but together.

I'm not bashing PC, I'm just trying to understand how its an argument against getting a 360 but the 360 is not an argument against getting a gaming PC.

shsonline

I agree. If it wasn't for the xbox in general I would have missed out on some awesome games. I see no reason to buy a pc because of my 360. I rather spend that money on another console.

[QUOTE="NickyJo"]

I can't afford a quality gaming PC at the moment, without my 360 I couldn't play Bioshock, COD4, Unreal ect. For that reason alone I think it's a great console, and I couldn't care less if the PC version has better controls or very minor improvements, I'm just grateful to get to play these games on a console, and that's all I care about.

Hewkii

CoD 4 and UT3 is on the PS3.

he also said bioshock, and I think he would like to play Alan Wake too.

[QUOTE="NickyJo"]

I can't afford a quality gaming PC at the moment, without my 360 I couldn't play Bioshock, COD4, Unreal ect. For that reason alone I think it's a great console, and I couldn't care less if the PC version has better controls or very minor improvements, I'm just grateful to get to play these games on a console, and that's all I care about.

Hewkii

CoD 4 and UT3 is on the PS3.

yes, but why pay 100 dollars more for a crappy controller and no achievements or live?paullywog

because none of those exist in this hypothetical world?

[QUOTE="paullywog"]yes, but why pay 100 dollars more for a crappy controller and no achievements or live?Hewkii

because none of those exist in this hypothetical world?

Not everybody likes m/k.

Good argument.

But I use my PC for so much more than gaming, and it easily justifies the price. And if you still think its expensive, go to this thread: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/show_msgs.php?board_id=314159282&topic_id=25812339

[QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="paullywog"]yes, but why pay 100 dollars more for a crappy controller and no achievements or live?too_much_eslim

because none of those exist in this hypothetical world?

Not everybody likes m/k.

Good thing almost every game on the PC can work with a controller.

In any case, with a PC you dont need to waste $400 for an inferior port of games. You really have no basis or proof with the claim of your softwares at all. Prove games on the 360 sell more than the PC.

You know, I would be screwed if I didn't have a 360. In the same way that Automechanics make working on your car more convenient and often cheaper, 360 does the same thing for gaming.

I probably would NEVER have played games like FEAR and Gears and Mass Effect and Bioshock, etc. etc. if the 360 never came out.

I always hear about how the PC is stealing exclusives from the 360, but isn't the 360 stealing exclusives from the PC? Any argument that you could make about the PC hurting the 360 also can be shown to hurt the PC. Because face it, with the exception of MMORPGs, software games sell more on console. There's a bigger overall market, and its more convenient for the average 14-28 year old to go and plunk down 300-400 dollars on a console that has universal functionality with everygame they will buy for it for 4-6+ years and that requires no manual labor or knowledge to but together.

I'm not bashing PC, I'm just trying to understand how its an argument against getting a 360 but the 360 is not an argument against getting a gaming PC.

shsonline

exactly what i always thought.

Good argument.

But I use my PC for so much more than gaming, and it easily justifies the price. And if you still think its expensive, go to this thread: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/show_msgs.php?board_id=314159282&topic_id=25812339

FragMonkey09

The fact you use your PC for so much more means nothing to me in terms of gaming. I obviously have a PC. It cost me 300.00 and I put it together a little over a year ago. It's a P4 and it can barely run WoW. To get the parts you have on your thread the total price of the PC would have been 900.00. And I would still have to do 2 things I don't have to do with a 400.00 Xbox: A) I would have to put it together myself. B) I would have to upgrade it at least once within 4-6 years and make sure the software runs without compromise later in its life.

Oh, and if one thing goes bad in my 360, I have it covered by warranty and I can get it easily replaced. If something goes bad with my PC, I have to find out what it is and replace it, which is more trouble than its worth (for me).

I think people just need to face it: even if it cost the exact same amount of money for a gaming PC as a 360 or was cheaper, there would STILL be a significant number of people who would prefer to hook up 3 wires and play a universally compliant system to play videogames.

It takes a $150 DX10 card and a $180 CPU to surpass Xbox 360 by a mile, plus get a bunch of exclusives that 360 couldn't dream of playing. It's nice that you're willing to settle for less, but some of us aren't.

So basically, you don't mind me saying that the 360 is the poor man's PC?

Also...

Protip: PC games are cheaper to buy.

It takes a $150 DX10 card and a $180 CPU to surpass Xbox 360 by a mile, plus get a bunch of exclusives that 360 couldn't dream of playing. It's nice that you're willing to settle for less, but some of us aren't.

So basically, you don't mind me saying that the 360 is the poor man's PC?

Also...

Protip: PC games are cheaper to buy.

Overthrow

Well PC games are cheaper, but what if you want to play a game that has little replay value, you have to end up paying for the full game, while consoles allow you to rent games, so you can spend around $5 on a game.

It takes a $150 DX10 card and a $180 CPU to surpass Xbox 360 by a mile, plus get a bunch of exclusives that 360 couldn't dream of playing. It's nice that you're willing to settle for less, but some of us aren't.

So basically, you don't mind me saying that the 360 is the poor man's PC?

Also...

Protip: PC games are cheaper to buy.

Overthrow

[QUOTE="Overthrow"]

It takes a $150 DX10 card and a $180 CPU to surpass Xbox 360 by a mile, plus get a bunch of exclusives that 360 couldn't dream of playing. It's nice that you're willing to settle for less, but some of us aren't.

So basically, you don't mind me saying that the 360 is the poor man's PC?

Also...

Protip: PC games are cheaper to buy.

jet052006

Well PC games are cheaper, but what if you want to play a game that has little replay value, you have to end up paying for the full game, while consoles allow you to rent games, so you can spend around $5 on a game.

lol thats a terrible arguement. you forget that almost every pc game will have a demo released for it :|

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="paullywog"]yes, but why pay 100 dollars more for a crappy controller and no achievements or live?XaosII

because none of those exist in this hypothetical world?

Not everybody likes m/k.

Good thing almost every game on the PC can work with a controller.

In any case, with a PC you dont need to waste $400 for an inferior port of games. You really have no basis or proof with the claim of your softwares at all. Prove games on the 360 sell more than the PC.

[QUOTE="jet052006"][QUOTE="Overthrow"]

It takes a $150 DX10 card and a $180 CPU to surpass Xbox 360 by a mile, plus get a bunch of exclusives that 360 couldn't dream of playing. It's nice that you're willing to settle for less, but some of us aren't.

So basically, you don't mind me saying that the 360 is the poor man's PC?

Also...

Protip: PC games are cheaper to buy.

jt8b2z

Well PC games are cheaper, but what if you want to play a game that has little replay value, you have to end up paying for the full game, while consoles allow you to rent games, so you can spend around $5 on a game.

lol thats a terrible arguement. you forget that almost every pc game will have a demo released for it :|

So you would rather have a demo of a game rather then being able to play the whole game for $5?

I personally would rather have the full game.

Well PC games are cheaper, but what if you want to play a game that has little replay value, you have to end up paying for the full game, while consoles allow you to rent games, so you can spend around $5 on a game.

jet052006

In the meantime, you can download FREE TRIALS of many PC games, especially the online ones.

Now thats an opinion. Alot of the great exclusive PC games are either FPS, RTS, or MMORPG.

What about those people who dont like MMO, or RTS.

360 offers all the major multiplats, the best console online service, a variety of genres(something the xbox didnt do so well last gen), at a much cheaper upfront cost.

You make it seem all gamers want to be or should be PC gamers if they have the money. For some it wouldnt be a wise investment if you honestly dont care for counterstrike, starcraft 2, fallout, world of warcraft.jg4xchamp

As opposed to the 360's lineup of FPS, JRPGs, and driving sims? Games that have saturated the industry for the past 10 years or so?

True FPS fans go for PC FPS, not watered down console shooters.

Casey's Myths That Need To Die: #16

16. The only good PC games are FPS, RTS, and MMORPGs. -no. it's also very at home with single player rpgs, racers, sports games, sims, adventure games, and action games. those three in bold are its primary and perhaps best genres but by absolutely no means are they its only good ones. the only area where the pc really falls short are fighting games and platformers.

So you would rather have a demo of a game rather then being able to play the whole game for $5?

I personally would rather have the full game.

jet052006

trying it for free > trying it for $5.

[QUOTE="jt8b2z"][QUOTE="jet052006"][QUOTE="Overthrow"]

It takes a $150 DX10 card and a $180 CPU to surpass Xbox 360 by a mile, plus get a bunch of exclusives that 360 couldn't dream of playing. It's nice that you're willing to settle for less, but some of us aren't.

So basically, you don't mind me saying that the 360 is the poor man's PC?

Also...

Protip: PC games are cheaper to buy.

jet052006

Well PC games are cheaper, but what if you want to play a game that has little replay value, you have to end up paying for the full game, while consoles allow you to rent games, so you can spend around $5 on a game.

lol thats a terrible arguement. you forget that almost every pc game will have a demo released for it :|

So you would rather have a demo of a game rather then being able to play the whole game for $5?

I personally would rather have the full game.

yes i would rather get a free demo, decide i like it and not spoil it for me and then go out and buy it, rather than spend a fiver on it.

I mean £5 is a 5th of the cost of a pc game.

hm so shall we add another £5 on top of every game you buy then.

well say you buy 20 games a year thats another £100 you have to spend on your pc :lol:

It takes a $150 DX10 card and a $180 CPU to surpass Xbox 360 by a mile, plus get a bunch of exclusives that 360 couldn't dream of playing. It's nice that you're willing to settle for less, but some of us aren't.

So basically, you don't mind me saying that the 360 is the poor man's PC?

Also...

Protip: PC games are cheaper to buy.

Overthrow

PC has been around for a long time now. The same advantages its had since the beginning of the home consoles. Why all of the sudden are these same arguments against the home console relevant now? Because a console has actually been developed that can match its performance or at least duplicate it and its more userfriendly and costeffective?

[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="paullywog"]yes, but why pay 100 dollars more for a crappy controller and no achievements or live?jg4xchamp

because none of those exist in this hypothetical world?

Not everybody likes m/k.

Good thing almost every game on the PC can work with a controller.

In any case, with a PC you dont need to waste $400 for an inferior port of games. You really have no basis or proof with the claim of your softwares at all. Prove games on the 360 sell more than the PC.

Yet, MS has provided figure for the estimated amount of PC gamers. So unless he gives numbers to back up his claim that are from somewhere, they are baseless and useless.

[QUOTE="jet052006"]

So you would rather have a demo of a game rather then being able to play the whole game for $5?

I personally would rather have the full game.

Hewkii

trying it for free > trying it for $5.

Im not talking about trying the game, im talking about playing the whole game. Why would you want to go buy a game that can be beat in 10-20hrs when you can rent that game and do the same thing for $5. You act as if xbox live doesnt have demos. Consoles get demos then if i decide i like the game but realize it can be completed in a short amount of time i can rent it complete it then return it.

Im not talking about trying the game, im talking about playing the whole game. Why would you want to go buy a game that can be beat in 10-20hrs when you can rent that game and do the same thing for $5.

jet052006

depends on what it has. if people followed your logic Gears, for example, wouldn't have sold nearly as much.

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="jet052006"]

So you would rather have a demo of a game rather then being able to play the whole game for $5?

I personally would rather have the full game.

jet052006

trying it for free > trying it for $5.

Im not talking about trying the game, im talking about playing the whole game. Why would you want to go buy a game that can be beat in 10-20hrs when you can rent that game and do the same thing for $5. You act as if xbox live doesnt have demos. Consoles get demos then if i decide i like the game but realize it can be completed in a short amount of time i can rent it complete it then return it.

wow sounds like 360 games have great replayability :|. Must be great if you've had enough of them after 2 days.

[QUOTE="FragMonkey09"]

Good argument.

But I use my PC for so much more than gaming, and it easily justifies the price. And if you still think its expensive, go to this thread: http://www.gamespot.com/forums/show_msgs.php?board_id=314159282&topic_id=25812339

shsonline

The fact you use your PC for so much more means nothing to me in terms of gaming. I obviously have a PC. It cost me 300.00 and I put it together a little over a year ago. It's a P4 and it can barely run WoW. To get the parts you have on your thread the total price of the PC would have been 900.00. And I would still have to do 2 things I don't have to do with a 400.00 Xbox: A) I would have to put it together myself. B) I would have to upgrade it at least once within 4-6 years and make sure the software runs without compromise later in its life.

Oh, and if one thing goes bad in my 360, I have it covered by warranty and I can get it easily replaced. If something goes bad with my PC, I have to find out what it is and replace it, which is more trouble than its worth (for me).

I think people just need to face it: even if it cost the exact same amount of money for a gaming PC as a 360 or was cheaper, there would STILL be a significant number of people who would prefer to hook up 3 wires and play a universally compliant system to play videogames.

Consoles are far more simple then PC, but they have a lot more limitations when it comes to games with it.

1) Everything for the 360 is proprietary. The controllers, the wireless connections, the wifi adapter (which is $100...), the HDD ($100 for 20GB when I can get a 320GB internal for that price...), the headsets, ect ect.

2) The Xbox's life was 4 years.

3) You can make a PC last longer with overclocking.

PC gaming is about customization. We aren't limited to one tower, one controller, one resolution, one framerate, one graphical setting, or even 1 display.

Consoles offer simplicity, which I agree does appeal to the masses, but it is not for me. I love building my own PC, seeing it come together, then OC it to get the best performance I can. I prefer just installing everything on my HDD and not having to worry about discs. I prefer not having to pay $50 for P2P online, having dedicated servers for most games, and tons of great mods to play.

Will you pay more for a high-end PC? Of course. Its like paying more for that 5.1 sound system for the 360 and a 1080p HDTV to get the best experience. If thats how you like to play games thats alright, but its not for me.

I'm not trying to flamebait or troll, I'm being honest. The myth however that you need an expensive rig to "run" Crysis or something as hardware intensive is thrown around all too often. A $1000US tower will do fine for 1280x1024 at good settings (8800 GTS 320mb, 2GB DDR2-800 RAM, dual core cpu ~2.4GHz).

[QUOTE="jet052006"]

Im not talking about trying the game, im talking about playing the whole game. Why would you want to go buy a game that can be beat in 10-20hrs when you can rent that game and do the same thing for $5.

Hewkii

depends on what it has. if people followed your logic Gears, for example, wouldn't have sold nearly as much.

But Gears has replay value, it has multiplayer adding replay value.

But Gears has replay value, it has multiplayer adding replay value.

jet052006

Exactly.

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="jet052006"]

Im not talking about trying the game, im talking about playing the whole game. Why would you want to go buy a game that can be beat in 10-20hrs when you can rent that game and do the same thing for $5.

jet052006

depends on what it has. if people followed your logic Gears, for example, wouldn't have sold nearly as much.

But Gears has replay value, it has multiplayer adding replay value.

lol, but you just said you rent games for a few days, complete them and then don't buy them. Make up you mind.

But Gears has replay value, it has multiplayer adding replay value. jet052006

It takes a $150 DX10 card and a $180 CPU to surpass Xbox 360 by a mile, plus get a bunch of exclusives that 360 couldn't dream of playing. It's nice that you're willing to settle for less, but some of us aren't.

So basically, you don't mind me saying that the 360 is the poor man's PC?

Also...

Protip: PC games are cheaper to buy.

Overthrow

My friendspened about 1,700 dollars on his pc and i played it and im not impressed.So you saying that the pc beats the 360 by a mile is absurd.

[QUOTE="jet052006"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="jet052006"]

So you would rather have a demo of a game rather then being able to play the whole game for $5?

I personally would rather have the full game.

jt8b2z

trying it for free > trying it for $5.

Im not talking about trying the game, im talking about playing the whole game. Why would you want to go buy a game that can be beat in 10-20hrs when you can rent that game and do the same thing for $5. You act as if xbox live doesnt have demos. Consoles get demos then if i decide i like the game but realize it can be completed in a short amount of time i can rent it complete it then return it.

wow sounds like 360 games have great replayability :|. Must be great if you've had enough of them after 2 days.

Did I ever say that every one rents every game, and that all 360 games dont have replayability?

Im just stating something that Xbox 360 owners have an option to do that PC owners do not. I dont know why you need to start puting words in my mouth to somehow change the argument.

[QUOTE="Overthrow"]

It takes a $150 DX10 card and a $180 CPU to surpass Xbox 360 by a mile, plus get a bunch of exclusives that 360 couldn't dream of playing. It's nice that you're willing to settle for less, but some of us aren't.

So basically, you don't mind me saying that the 360 is the poor man's PC?

Also...

Protip: PC games are cheaper to buy.

ginglejangle

My friendspened about 1,700 dollars on his pc and i played it and im not impressed.So you saying that the pc beats the 360 by a mile is absurd.

8800gtx >>> 360

My friendspened about 1,700 dollars on his pc and i played it and im not impressed.So you saying that the pc beats the 360 by a mile is absurd.ginglejangle

[QUOTE="jet052006"]

Well PC games are cheaper, but what if you want to play a game that has little replay value, you have to end up paying for the full game, while consoles allow you to rent games, so you can spend around $5 on a game.

Overthrow

In the meantime, you can download FREE TRIALS of many PC games, especially the online ones.

Now thats an opinion. Alot of the great exclusive PC games are either FPS, RTS, or MMORPG.

What about those people who dont like MMO, or RTS.

360 offers all the major multiplats, the best console online service, a variety of genres(something the xbox didnt do so well last gen), at a much cheaper upfront cost.

You make it seem all gamers want to be or should be PC gamers if they have the money. For some it wouldnt be a wise investment if you honestly dont care for counterstrike, starcraft 2, fallout, world of warcraft.jg4xchamp

As opposed to the 360's lineup of FPS, JRPGs, and driving sims? Games that have saturated the industry for the past 10 years or so?

True FPS fans go for PC FPS, not watered down console shooters.

Casey's Myths That Need To Die: #16

16. The only good PC games are FPS, RTS, and MMORPGs. -no. it's also very at home with single player rpgs, racers, sports games, sims, adventure games, and action games. those three in bold are its primary and perhaps best genres but by absolutely no means are they its only good ones. the only area where the pc really falls short are fighting games and platformers.

"A) I would have to put it together myself."

Your using a rendition of the "PCs are too complex" arguement I see... My grandfather couldn't even work a DVD player when all he had to do was insert the disc and press the triangular button..yet he can identify a problem a car has by the sound it makes. It takes experience to know how to do that not neccessarily know-how..you can't blame your lack of experience as a surrcumstance as to why "X360 is better than PCs" In that case I can come up with 1,000,000,000 reasons why PCs are greater than a console. Only real arguement you have is that you prefer consoles to PCs..

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Hewkii"]

[QUOTE="paullywog"]yes, but why pay 100 dollars more for a crappy controller and no achievements or live?XaosII

because none of those exist in this hypothetical world?

Not everybody likes m/k.

Good thing almost every game on the PC can work with a controller.

In any case, with a PC you dont need to waste $400 for an inferior port of games. You really have no basis or proof with the claim of your softwares at all. Prove games on the 360 sell more than the PC.

Yet, MS has provided figure for the estimated amount of PC gamers. So unless he gives numbers to back up his claim that are from somewhere, they are baseless and useless.

can i get another PC game outside of those genres. that is exclusive to the PC and will be out this year. F his myth i know its a myth but most of those games are also multiplats are they not. everytime a top 10 20, 30, heck 50 comes out most hermits throw down a list of games that are shooters like Half Life, Deus Ex, System SHock 2, and RTS command and conquer, starcraft, etc.

And dont you defend the wii the same franchises for the last 20 years. 2 decades of Zelda, Mario, Metroid(yes i have it reserved), etc talk about a double standard.

JRPGs are fun for those who like them. What about the RTS games that overpopulate the PC, honestly that isnt taken into account. Also it is your opinion that Halo or any other console shooter is a waterdown game. The only area they lack compared to PC is controls and generally MODS. mp option wise Halo offers a ton, so does a game like Timesplitters. Campaign wise Halo holds its own quite nicely against PC shooters. cant say that about Unreal some of the worst campaings on Shooters. For every great FPS campaign on PC(half life, deus ex, etc) there are bad or meh ones like Unreal.
Mass Effect is a WRPG, Ace Combat Six is a flight sim or whatever, Too Human is a action game. Plus the 360 has all the major multiplats Resident Evil, Elder Scrolls, Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto,etc at a much cheaper cost up front versus PS3 or PC.

and my arguement was that your whole situation is an opinion. I mean you all love to hate Halo, what about people who do not LIKE STARCRAFT. I mean gasp. personally i have no problem with it. But people have different tastes, what your doing is being an elitist B**** with that little atitude to say the 360 is a poormans PC.

oh and once again can i please for the love of god get a list of non FPS, MMO, RTS exclusive PC games that debunk that myth. Because the idea that the PCs best games fall under that genre IMO has not been proven wrong at all.jg4xchamp

Fortunately, someone else has kindly done the job for me.

There ya go. Take your pick.

[QUOTE="jet052006"]

But Gears has replay value, it has multiplayer adding replay value.

Hewkii

Exactly.

Then why did you bring up Gears in the First place, I clearly stated that you will be able to rent games with no re-playability, that are around 10-20hrs long. I never said that you would want to rent every game available, Im just stating an option that consoles have over PC.

My logic is this: PC will ALWAYS be more powerful and upgradeable than consoles. So why all of the sudden this gen does it make PC a reason NOT to get a home console (specifically 360). We are seeing PC and 360 share great games and all of the sudden thats terrible... Why is it terrible? Is it because people are jealous that not everybody who wants to invest in time/money for a gaming rig can still enjoy PCs great games when they couldn't before?

PC always had a market of its games on its own. Back when PSone came out nobody said: "Just go out and get a PC". But now that 360 has alot of PC games, people say "Just go out and get a PC, it's on PC". PC gamers should actually realize that the average gamer (i.e. the person who had the PSone or PS2 before) are more likely to go out and buy another console where they can get the same type of console games they enjoy in addition to a whole new market of PC games that wasn't accesible to them before, rather than shelling out the time/effort/money to get a gaming PC.

then why did you bring up Gears in the First place, I clearly stated that you will be able to rent games with no re-playability, that are around 10-20hrs long. I never said that you would want to rent every game available, Im just stating an option that consoles have over PC.

jet052006

actually, you said:

Why would you want to go buy a game that can be beat in 10-20hrs when you can rent that game and do the same thing for $5.

and the campaign (what you can beat) is indeed in that time frame (less, according to some reports even).