Would DRM be ok if it was optional.

 Do you want Familyshare?   Do you want alwayson networking?   Do you want all the benefits of a digital platform offerings at the expense of DRM?    Now I ask this because DRM is essential to adding these type of feature because of piracy and others way to beat the system.    I read the other day on Neogaf Penello talking about a hybrid model, meaning those who would like these features would opt in, albeit with restrictions imposed by Microsoft.     Obviously physical discs would still be available and what is available to consumers today will still be available.    Now I am one who wants the original vision that Microsoft had, but I did also want the option to buy physical or have that option available to people who want that type of media.   I think that its only fair, but, nonetheless we know how the whole story by now.    I simply ask you, would it be ok if Microsoft came out with an opt in model for DRM for those who want the digital model benefits???   Discuss and say why you are for it, and why you wouldnt be for it

It's not DRM if it's optional.charizard1605

Exactly what I was thinking...

It's not DRM if it's optional.charizard1605

Not sure the OP knows what DRM means.

till the day Sony/MS is ready to undercut retail prices over digital. 

THEN no...

optional drm?

It's not DRM if it's optional.charizard1605

well if i sign off to that type of model its optional.    I think you have to realize that they need to put restrictions on this type of model for obvious reasons, and id be fine with that and id go willingly into that type of model or make my XBL account digital only.   Its possible that they can offer this,  if the party willing to join is willing to accept the restrictions.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]It's not DRM if it's optional.XBOunity

well if i sign off to that type of model its optional.    I think you have to realize that they need to put restrictions on this type of model for obvious reasons, and id be fine with that and id go willingly into that type of model or make my XBL account digital only.   Its possible that they can offer this,  if the party willing to join is willing to accept the restrictions.

optional drm?

CaseyWegner

Im not the one that has proposed this, penello has hinted at it, or some type of way to do this, and he did say it will come with restrictions.   IF you like to post I can link you to it.

wat

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]It's not DRM if it's optional.NationProtector

well if i sign off to that type of model its optional.    I think you have to realize that they need to put restrictions on this type of model for obvious reasons, and id be fine with that and id go willingly into that type of model or make my XBL account digital only.   Its possible that they can offer this,  if the party willing to join is willing to accept the restrictions.

sorry you are that closed minded to understand what is being proposed here.   Im sure Microsoft will have to give you a flowchart to try and make you understand this if this option ever becomes a reality.    I know its tough buddy.

No DRM is acceptable DRM. bbkkristian

It's not DRM if it's optional.charizard1605

Need to think outside the box on this one. If you can "opt in" for all the advantages of an all digital future than it is optional. Companies can incentives you to go digital, cheaper games, midnight releases, early releases, being able to resale your digital license. It can be optional and still gives those that aren't ready the option to keep things they way they are now.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]No DRM is acceptable DRM. PS4TrumpsXbox1

DRM is never okay. Ask Sim City and MS.

Albert Penello on digital sharing..   Now if you want to have digital share...  there has to be a way to safeguard against theft.

also here is an article on the very subject.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...l-game-trading

this is also a post on neogaf talking to Penello about the very subject.   They seem to understand.

The "always online" part is a requirement if you want to be able to share/trade digital content, or else it would be too easy to abuse the system. And I don't think it is a problem, the most valid complaint about the "always online" part was that it was forced to all users, even those who didn't want/need it.
Now that users have more choice, I don't see any problem with offering the possibility of bringing back that DRM as an option.

DRM is never okay. Ask Sim City and MS.

Big_Pecks

even if its an option??????????   If i digitally assign my XBL as a digital marketplace?    Im not allowed to do that to get the benefits of a digital model?   Does that effect you that wants to buy physical?    NO right?   

[QUOTE="PS4TrumpsXbox1"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"]No DRM is acceptable DRM. bbkkristian

lems are so fuking dumb and brainwashed into thinking drm = digital.

lems are so fuking dumb and brainwashed into thinking drm = digital.

Krelian-co

Don't generalize, dipshit.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]No DRM is acceptable DRM. PS4TrumpsXbox1

Unfortunately I have a feeling that MS will bring back these policies as well. It's only a simple update away.

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="PS4TrumpsXbox1"] You want no DRM? THen dont buy a xbox one, eventually MS will bring back those policiesPS4TrumpsXbox1

i guess you are the ones who dont understand.   This very thread just goes to show you how people are so misinformed or closedminded on the very subject of DRM.    Even if it was offered as an OPTION, people like ps4trumpsxbox1 would say that DRM is being forced upon you.    lol

[QUOTE="PS4TrumpsXbox1"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"]No DRM is acceptable DRM. Serial_Killa

Unfortunately I have a feeling that MS will bring back these policies as well. It's only a simple update away.

wrong, again the fearmongering starts.    Penello has said they would never bring this back and impose this on customers that dont want it.    if anything, it would be an "option"  lol

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]It's not DRM if it's optional.lundy86_4

Exactly what I was thinking...

You guys completely missed the point, lol.

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lems are so fuking dumb and brainwashed into thinking drm = digital.

Krelian-co

just realistic, look at how well sharing went with the PS3..   5 to 2 to not on the ps4 lol.    Once again cows are concerned to what XBO is doing. 

No DRM is acceptable DRM. bbkkristian

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[QUOTE="PS4TrumpsXbox1"] You want no DRM? THen dont buy a xbox one, eventually MS will bring back those policiesXBOunity

Unfortunately I have a feeling that MS will bring back these policies as well. It's only a simple update away.

wrong, again the fearmongering starts.    Penello has said they would never bring this back and impose this on customers that dont want it.    if anything, it would be an "option"  lol

You act like you've never heard a lie before. Of course he's going to say that right now, but 4 years down the line when Microsoft can easily change their policies. The company doesn't run around Penello's words, lol.

If you're playing on a Console or Buy a Game from Steam, you're already accepting some form of DRM.

lems are dumb, fact. Tc and you are perfect examples.

Krelian-co

Says the one, with poor grammar.

You guys completely missed the point, lol.

XVision84

Possibly. Enlighten us.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]It's not DRM if it's optional.XVision84

Exactly what I was thinking...

You guys completely missed the point, lol.

its crazy how such a simple thing, is so hard to understand.     I am going to personally send this to Penello and explain to him why offering such a thing is basically impossible.   We arent evolved enough to understand the meaning of "optional", or the fact that if you dont put restrictions on these types of things, people will abuse it and steal.  

[QUOTE="PS4TrumpsXbox1"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"] Who's to say Sony wont do the same?XBOunity

i guess you are the ones who dont understand.   This very thread just goes to show you how people are so misinformed or closedminded on the very subject of DRM.    Even if it was offered as an OPTION, people like ps4trumpsxbox1 would say that DRM is being forced upon you.    lol

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[QUOTE="Serial_Killa"]

Unfortunately I have a feeling that MS will bring back these policies as well. It's only a simple update away.

 

 

XVision84

wrong, again the fearmongering starts.    Penello has said they would never bring this back and impose this on customers that dont want it.    if anything, it would be an "option"  lol

You act like you've never heard a lie before. Of course he's going to say that right now, but 4 years down the line when Microsoft can easily change their policies. The company doesn't run around Penello's words, lol.

well then why would they say optional?  why would they even approach the subject?   Shouldnt they just wait until the userbase is 70 million and like the evil entity people are making them out to be impose the restrictions.    Lets be realistic here.

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lems are dumb, fact. Tc and you are perfect examples.

lundy86_4

Says the one, with poor grammar.

You guys completely missed the point, lol.

XVision84

Possibly. Enlighten us.

I think TC is just trying to say that the people who would opt in to go through all the restrictions Microsoft placed into their original policies, they would receive all the benefits that Microsoft had put in place originally. Now, I doubt Microsoft would ever do something like that because that defeats the purpose of using DRM in the first place since anyone can just opt out, but nevertheless it's still technically DRM and the other restrictions would be in place.

It's not DRM if it's optional.charizard1605

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[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

wrong, again the fearmongering starts.    Penello has said they would never bring this back and impose this on customers that dont want it.    if anything, it would be an "option"  lol

XBOunity

You act like you've never heard a lie before. Of course he's going to say that right now, but 4 years down the line when Microsoft can easily change their policies. The company doesn't run around Penello's words, lol.

well then why would they say optional?  why would they even approach the subject?   Shouldnt they just wait until the userbase is 70 million and like the evil entity people are making them out to be impose the restrictions.    Lets be realistic here.

Penello said they won't bring it back again, but that doesn't mean that they won't. They can easily act like the white knight for the first 2-4 years then go cash cow mode. They practically did that with the 360. Microsoft isn't evil, they just sometimes do stupid stuff.

I think TC is just trying to say that the people who would opt in to go through all the restrictions Microsoft placed into their original policies, they would receive all the benefits that Microsoft had put in place originally. Now, I doubt Microsoft would ever do something like that because that defeats the purpose of using DRM in the first place since anyone can just opt out, but nevertheless it's still technically DRM and the other restrictions would be in place.

XVision84

That seems to lie outside of the general use of DRM (and our understanding of it). The DRM seems to be all-encompassing, whilst there would seem to be more drastic implementations, with better benefits... Yet, still operating under a DRM model, for all.

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[QUOTE="PS4TrumpsXbox1"] They haven't shown any signs of it, they gave what gamers wanted from the start, No DRM restriction, No dumb 24 hour check in, no used game restriction, this was done all by MS. Why doesn't MS get rid of MS completely instead of requiring a download patch day one? >>>>>Think hard about this question...... But I guess Xbox fanboys can hope that SOny does it too right? Misery loves company.PS4TrumpsXbox1

i guess you are the ones who dont understand.   This very thread just goes to show you how people are so misinformed or closedminded on the very subject of DRM.    Even if it was offered as an OPTION, people like ps4trumpsxbox1 would say that DRM is being forced upon you.    lol

i am one who wants the digital model, I want alwayson more than anything.   What i liked about the model the most what being on a network where devs can update there game daily on an always on network.   They would be more involved, more innovation would happen.   It could be such a simple thing as changing a banner in a sports game to reflect the day and time to make the game more realistic.   LIke st pattys day a st pattys day scoreboard.     I loved the vision they had, but they went about it the wrong way.    If they made it optional at the start it would be alot easier to adapt.   

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

I think TC is just trying to say that the people who would opt in to go through all the restrictions Microsoft placed into their original policies, they would receive all the benefits that Microsoft had put in place originally. Now, I doubt Microsoft would ever do something like that because that defeats the purpose of using DRM in the first place since anyone can just opt out, but nevertheless it's still technically DRM and the other restrictions would be in place.

lundy86_4

That seems to lie outside of the general use of DRM (and our understanding of it). The DRM seems to be all-encompassing, whilst there would seem to be more drastic implementations, with better benefits... Yet, still operating under a DRM model, for all.

Yeah, like I said, it sort of defeats the purpose of DRM, but the TC just made a what-if scenario.

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[QUOTE="XVision84"]

You act like you've never heard a lie before. Of course he's going to say that right now, but 4 years down the line when Microsoft can easily change their policies. The company doesn't run around Penello's words, lol.

XVision84

well then why would they say optional?  why would they even approach the subject?   Shouldnt they just wait until the userbase is 70 million and like the evil entity people are making them out to be impose the restrictions.    Lets be realistic here.

Penello said they won't bring it back again, but that doesn't mean that they won't. They can easily act like the white knight for the first 2-4 years then go cash cow mode. They practically did that with the 360. Microsoft isn't evil, they just sometimes do stupid stuff.

Penello said they would offer a hybrid model if "ANYTHING".    he said this on neogaf, he also said this in an interview .    If you like the link I will glady link you to it.

[QUOTE="PS4TrumpsXbox1"][QUOTE="XBOunity"]

i guess you are the ones who dont understand.   This very thread just goes to show you how people are so misinformed or closedminded on the very subject of DRM.    Even if it was offered as an OPTION, people like ps4trumpsxbox1 would say that DRM is being forced upon you.    lol

XBOunity

i am one who wants the digital model, I want alwayson more than anything.   What i liked about the model the most what being on a network where devs can update there game daily on an always on network.   They would be more involved, more innovation would happen.   It could be such a simple thing as changing a banner in a sports game to reflect the day and time to make the game more realistic.   LIke st pattys day a st pattys day scoreboard.     I loved the vision they had, but they went about it the wrong way.    If they made it optional at the start it would be alot easier to adapt.   

Yeah, Microsoft had an interesting vision, but they added way too many restrictions. You can't really go half way with this sort of thing though, with what they were trying to do, you either change things a lot or leave them as it is. There's really no half-measure that would make this sort of thing worth it. It's still too early for what Microsoft was trying to do, they'll have to wait until things go all digital for their policies to be decent.

Yeah, like I said, it sort of defeats the purpose of DRM, but the TC just made a what-if scenario.

XVision84

I get the what-if... Still, if it lies outside of what DRM is, then it isn't DRM... Surely.

If it's using some obscure loophole or definition, then I have no idea :P

Maybe not exactly on-topic, but I like how I can have 2 computers on a LAN running Steam in offline mode, and I can play things like Counter-Strike: Source with them both connected. I'm thinking there might be other games that also work that way.Stinger78

steam is steam, as far as I know you cant trade in or sell your games on Steam.    restrictions come with digital gaming, I accept this, but I do or did like the original vision that Microsoft was pushing.  

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[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

well then why would they say optional?  why would they even approach the subject?   Shouldnt they just wait until the userbase is 70 million and like the evil entity people are making them out to be impose the restrictions.    Lets be realistic here.

XBOunity

Penello said they won't bring it back again, but that doesn't mean that they won't. They can easily act like the white knight for the first 2-4 years then go cash cow mode. They practically did that with the 360. Microsoft isn't evil, they just sometimes do stupid stuff.

Penello said they would offer a hybrid model if "ANYTHING".    he said this on neogaf, he also said this in an interview .    If you like the link I will glady link you to it.

I saw the interview, it was the one positive interview that Microsoft had regarding the Xbox One, lol. We'll see what Microsoft does, but they have to be careful this time, they're walking on thin ice.